Post by: fowl smacker on December 25, 2023, 08:51:49 AM
Post by: jackelope on December 25, 2023, 08:56:40 AM
Post by: SGTDuffman on December 25, 2023, 09:19:29 AM
https://olympicparkadvocates.org/returning-wolves-to-the-olympics/
Post by: Special T on December 25, 2023, 09:31:33 AM
Hard proof of translocation has not been provided in Washington.
Post by: Loup Loup on December 25, 2023, 09:57:47 AM
I say NE Washington is a wolf hatchery. Raising wolves that instead of dispersing to other regions of Washington. The coast, Columbia basin, are dispersing to good wolf habitat: BC and Idaho. (And with help probably Colorado soon)
At F4WM Wolfer summit last summer a fellow from BC gave a presentation. 3rd generation predator control business up there. Very informative.
He trapped a wolf 300 miles +- north of the border. That wolf had a collar on. It had been collared just north of Spokane. He had a map showing everywhere that collar had pinged before he stopped it. Black wolf. He said he knew it was different gene pool before he saw the collar as had different fur color/quality than his black wolves. He caught three more in the area with the same fur gene.
Post by: jackelope on December 25, 2023, 10:23:23 AM
The most generious correct statement that Could be made is that wolves introduction McKensy valley Canada to Idaho are have migrated into Washington.
Hard proof of translocation has not been provided in Washington.
This is where I’m at as well. Totally uneducated here, but it makes the most sense.
Post by: jackelope on December 25, 2023, 10:26:32 AM
The part I find misleading is the wolves are coming here Now from other “states, provacinces.
I say NE Washington is a wolf hatchery. Raising wolves that instead of dispersing to other regions of Washington. The coast, Columbia basin, are dispersing to good wolf habitat: BC and Idaho. (And with help probably Colorado soon)
At F4WM Wolfer summit last summer a fellow from BC gave a presentation. 3rd generation predator control business up there. Very informative.
He trapped a wolf 300 miles +- north of the border. That wolf had a collar on. It had been collared just north of Spokane. He had a map showing everywhere that collar had pinged before he stopped it. Black wolf. He said he knew it was different gene pool before he saw the collar as had different fur color/quality than his black wolves. He caught three more in the area with the same fur gene.
This is precisely why it’s not hard for me to believe that a wolf could come from almost anywhere in our part of the continent and end up almost anywhere. They don’t need to “relocate” them. They’ll get wherever they want to on their own.
Post by: hunter399 on December 25, 2023, 10:46:38 AM
I can say.
Just like with cougars,I'm a 100 percent positive they have a genealogy, family tree if you will . On big game predators in the state.
Only one's that don't have DNA analysis,are the one's they have failed to count. Kinda like a kink in the chain.
Post by: Loup Loup on December 25, 2023, 10:58:05 AM
I’m sure we are still getting some immigrants from those areas, but where’s the proof.
I’m saying it is much more likely Washington is now restocking Idaho and BC. Ley,The BC trapper,has shown us the proof of wolves from Washington restocking BC.
Main problem is WDFW is relying on the coasts and eastern wa wolf recovery zones, to be stocked by NE WA, Idaho, and BC.
The wolf plan requires those areas have viable wolf population before management restrictions can be lifted……never happen.
Post by: boneaddict on December 25, 2023, 11:31:07 AM
Just casual observations....
Focusing on other predators species, it is interesting that Lynx, Wolverines and Fisher have not shared the same success stories as the wolf even though these species have all been released here in Washington
Its also worth mentioning that the first tactic to "reintroduce" Grizzlies to Washington would be to cage them and to dump them off. And that Grizz bears have been here and are still here and go back and forth across the canadian border and Idaho.
I wonder why the thought of releasing or "reintorducing wolves is such a far fetched or taboo idea.
Post by: jackelope on December 25, 2023, 11:42:32 AM
My point is: WDFW has been saying Washington has been the recipient of wolves from Idaho and BC from the beginning of modern wolf presence, to now.
I’m sure we are still getting some immigrants from those areas, but where’s the proof.
I’m saying it is much more likely Washington is now restocking Idaho and BC. Ley,The BC trapper,has shown us the proof of wolves from Washington restocking BC.
Main problem is WDFW is relying on the coasts and eastern wa wolf recovery zones, to be stocked by NE WA, Idaho, and BC.
The wolf plan requires those areas have viable wolf population before management restrictions can be lifted……never happen.
I bet that trapper could show the same thing with the wolves in Washington coming from other areas if he could trap them here too. What’s the difference?
There have also been documented/collared wolves from WA trapped in Idaho too.
Post by: jackelope on December 25, 2023, 11:45:45 AM
Google definition of VERMIN wild animals that are believed to be harmful to crops, farm animals, or game, or that carry disease
Just casual observations....
Focusing on other predators species, it is interesting that Lynx, Wolverines and Fisher have not shared the same success stories as the wolf even though these species have all been released here in Washington
Its also worth mentioning that the first tactic to "reintroduce" Grizzlies to Washington would be to cage them and to dump them off. And that Grizz bears have been here and are still here and go back and forth across the canadian border and Idaho.
I wonder why the thought of releasing or "reintorducing wolves is such a far fetched or taboo idea.
I’m not 100% sure about any of this stuff.
My only response/rebuttal to this concept is has there been an official/active “reintroduction” of wolves here by the WDFW? All the animals you mentioned have had active and publicized reintroductions by the state. Pretty sure the wolves haven’t had any kind of formal reintroduction.
Post by: buckfvr on December 25, 2023, 11:49:12 AM
Post by: hunter399 on December 25, 2023, 11:58:12 AM
Dont expect the truth to come out any sooner than restrictions are lifted. Both never going to happen EVEN WITH a change of party in the govs office. :twocents:I agree
That was kinda point of my post about DNA.
Even if there was a truth , you'll never hear it.
Post by: boneaddict on December 25, 2023, 12:01:50 PM
I find it surprising Washington wont even offer up 5 of its wolves to be trucked to poor Colorado, which you'd think a state so rich in game and territory like the Rockies, should be full of wolves. Apparently none want to migrate that direction even in the back of a green or tan truck. LOL
Post by: jackelope on December 25, 2023, 12:04:13 PM
https://www.cpr.org/2021/06/09/wild-wolf-pups-found-colorado/
Post by: jackelope on December 25, 2023, 12:07:45 PM
Post by: boneaddict on December 25, 2023, 12:14:12 PM
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Post by: boneaddict on December 25, 2023, 12:18:45 PM
Post by: buckfvr on December 25, 2023, 12:30:32 PM
Post by: Dan-o on December 25, 2023, 12:47:21 PM
Maybe I'm just naive, but how in the world do you do all that would be required to relocate wolves without being detected? I don't think they could pull that off.
Post by: O. Nerka on December 25, 2023, 12:59:51 PM
Focusing on other predators species, it is interesting that Lynx, Wolverines and Fisher have not shared the same success stories as the wolf even though these species have all been released here in Washington
For clarity's sake there have been no wolverine reintroductions in Washington and the lynx reintroductions being done by the Colville Tribes are on their 3rd year, which is hardly enough time to evaluate the success of that effort.
Post by: buckfvr on December 25, 2023, 01:19:10 PM
I just don't see how they could keep it quiet.
Maybe I'm just naive, but how in the world do you do all that would be required to relocate wolves without being detected? I don't think they could pull that off.
I keep going back to this point as well. :yeah:
Post by: huntnphool on December 25, 2023, 01:21:04 PM
I just don't see how they could keep it quiet.
Maybe I'm just naive, but how in the world do you do all that would be required to relocate wolves without being detected? I don't think they could pull that off.
:chuckle:
How do you deposit millions from China and Ukraine without being detected?… :dunno:
Post by: fowl smacker on December 25, 2023, 02:05:50 PM
I was going to say something along these lines but don't really want this going in that political direction. However the government whether it's WDFW or otherwise are pretty dang good at hiding things from the public.I just don't see how they could keep it quiet.
Maybe I'm just naive, but how in the world do you do all that would be required to relocate wolves without being detected? I don't think they could pull that off.
:chuckle:
How do you deposit millions from China and Ukraine without being detected?… :dunno:
Post by: Dan-o on December 25, 2023, 02:47:19 PM
I just don't see how they could keep it quiet.
Maybe I'm just naive, but how in the world do you do all that would be required to relocate wolves without being detected? I don't think they could pull that off.
:chuckle:
How do you deposit millions from China and Ukraine without being detected?… :dunno:
That WAS detected!
Post by: hunter399 on December 25, 2023, 02:56:23 PM
Hunters labtop.I just don't see how they could keep it quiet.
Maybe I'm just naive, but how in the world do you do all that would be required to relocate wolves without being detected? I don't think they could pull that off.
:chuckle:
How do you deposit millions from China and Ukraine without being detected?… :dunno:
That WAS detected!
Gotta be some wolf data.
Cougar data for sure. :chuckle:
Post by: hunter399 on December 25, 2023, 03:43:20 PM
It says they came here on there own.
Of coarse you can't always believe everything on the Internet.
Unless someone can post something that proves different.
The truth is just what ya believe.
Post by: buckcanyonlodge on December 25, 2023, 04:53:16 PM
The part I find misleading is the wolves are coming here Now from other “states, provacinces.
I say NE Washington is a wolf hatchery. Raising wolves that instead of dispersing to other regions of Washington. The coast, Columbia basin, are dispersing to good wolf habitat: BC and Idaho. (And with help probably Colorado soon)
At F4WM Wolfer summit last summer a fellow from BC gave a presentation. 3rd generation predator control business up there. Very informative.
He trapped a wolf 300 miles +- north of the border. That wolf had a collar on. It had been collared just north of Spokane. He had a map showing everywhere that collar had pinged before he stopped it. Black wolf. He said he knew it was different gene pool before he saw the collar as had different fur color/quality than his black wolves. He caught three more in the area with the same fur gene.
Why would 4 wolves travel 300+ miles north of where they were collared? Could it be they were looking for their home from where they were trapped and then relocated somewhere in Wa. State? I think it is totally feasible.
Post by: LDennis24 on December 25, 2023, 04:54:39 PM
Post by: huntnnw on December 25, 2023, 05:06:54 PM
What’s funny about the re-introduction into Idaho’s lolo area in 1995 that there were wolves there and had been there for decades.
Post by: jackelope on December 25, 2023, 05:52:19 PM
The part I find misleading is the wolves are coming here Now from other “states, provacinces.
I say NE Washington is a wolf hatchery. Raising wolves that instead of dispersing to other regions of Washington. The coast, Columbia basin, are dispersing to good wolf habitat: BC and Idaho. (And with help probably Colorado soon)
At F4WM Wolfer summit last summer a fellow from BC gave a presentation. 3rd generation predator control business up there. Very informative.
He trapped a wolf 300 miles +- north of the border. That wolf had a collar on. It had been collared just north of Spokane. He had a map showing everywhere that collar had pinged before he stopped it. Black wolf. He said he knew it was different gene pool before he saw the collar as had different fur color/quality than his black wolves. He caught three more in the area with the same fur gene.
Why would 4 wolves travel 300+ miles north of where they were collared? Could it be they were looking for their home from where they were trapped and then relocated somewhere in Wa. State? I think it is totally feasible.
Lots of other examples of this same
Sort of thing happening all over the west. This isn’t new or a one time thing.
Google Oregon OR-7 if you’re not familiar.
Post by: jackelope on December 25, 2023, 05:52:53 PM
I just don't see how they could keep it quiet.
Maybe I'm just naive, but how in the world do you do all that would be required to relocate wolves without being detected? I don't think they could pull that off.
Bigfoot.
Another perfect example of this.
Post by: jackelope on December 25, 2023, 05:55:45 PM
THey seem rather efficient at trapping them and relocating them. I wonder if they have had much practice. :tinfoil: :peep: :chuckle:
Think about it. They say they’re going to shoot some because of cattle depredation and the next day they’re dead. Super efficient.
So clear cut and dry. Do you think wolves were relocated here in Washington in trucks?
Post by: hunter399 on December 25, 2023, 07:35:16 PM
THey seem rather efficient at trapping them and relocating them. I wonder if they have had much practice. :tinfoil: :peep: :chuckle:
Think about it. They say they’re going to shoot some because of cattle depredation and the next day they’re dead. Super efficient.
So clear cut and dry. Do you think wolves were relocated here in Washington in trucks?
I don't know about trucks.
Very easily could be herded,or persuaded into Washington.
They always admit that they walked right in.
Think on that.....WALKED RIGHT IN.
No need to put them on a truck. :chuckle:
As far NE Washington...
There's a few stories,I can't really say them though.
So ya that's no fun. :chuckle:
Add this article.
Article does say three wolves went to BC.
https://nwsportsmanmag.com/216-wolves-counted-in-annual-washington-survey/
Post by: fowl smacker on December 25, 2023, 08:02:52 PM
I wonder if part of this is because they know exactly where they're at because of collars. I hunt areas where there are wolves, yet I've never seen them. I have heard them in the distance a couple times. How do they find them so easily to collar them if they were already in the wilderness?THey seem rather efficient at trapping them and relocating them. I wonder if they have had much practice. :tinfoil: :peep: :chuckle:
Think about it. They say they’re going to shoot some because of cattle depredation and the next day they’re dead. Super efficient.
So clear cut and dry. Do you think wolves were relocated here in Washington in trucks?
Post by: jackelope on December 25, 2023, 08:25:22 PM
I wonder if part of this is because they know exactly where they're at because of collars. I hunt areas where there are wolves, yet I've never seen them. I have heard them in the distance a couple times. How do they find them so easily to collar them if they were already in the wilderness?THey seem rather efficient at trapping them and relocating them. I wonder if they have had much practice. :tinfoil: :peep: :chuckle:
Think about it. They say they’re going to shoot some because of cattle depredation and the next day they’re dead. Super efficient.
So clear cut and dry. Do you think wolves were relocated here in Washington in trucks?
Helicopters.
Post by: hunter399 on December 25, 2023, 08:42:53 PM
Helicopter probably biggest and best in the arsenal.I wonder if part of this is because they know exactly where they're at because of collars. I hunt areas where there are wolves, yet I've never seen them. I have heard them in the distance a couple times. How do they find them so easily to collar them if they were already in the wilderness?THey seem rather efficient at trapping them and relocating them. I wonder if they have had much practice. :tinfoil: :peep: :chuckle:
Think about it. They say they’re going to shoot some because of cattle depredation and the next day they’re dead. Super efficient.
So clear cut and dry. Do you think wolves were relocated here in Washington in trucks?
Helicopters.
Padded foot hold traps have also been used to collar.
You only have to collar one or two to keep an eye on a pack.
Pretty easy to trap one,all it takes is a kill site and a lot wolf tracks around. Setup,come back next day. Tranquilized,put collar on.
After one has a collar,then the chopper comes in.
Put as many collars on them as you want.
You can always find them.
Wolf budget last year,1.6 million. Not sure how much is helicopter gas ,sure it's in there somewhere.
I believe the video I posted ,shows then using a foot hold traps to collar. I'm sure it's done many ways.
Post by: highcountry_hunter on December 25, 2023, 08:51:36 PM
I just don't see how they could keep it quiet.Very very very good point. The government could F up a wet dream, especially wdfw
Maybe I'm just naive, but how in the world do you do all that would be required to relocate wolves without being detected? I don't think they could pull that off.
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Post by: hunter399 on December 25, 2023, 08:54:38 PM
Lol 😂I just don't see how they could keep it quiet.Very very very good point. The government could F up a wet dream, especially wdfw
Maybe I'm just naive, but how in the world do you do all that would be required to relocate wolves without being detected? I don't think they could pull that off.
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Post by: emac on December 25, 2023, 08:56:07 PM
Look at it this way. I guarantee any of us could go buy some wolves off someone, throw them in the back of our pickup and release them in the hills with no one having a clue! It would be pretty simple. The hardest part would be finding the wolves. So I would have no doubt that the game department picked up some wolves and dumped them. It would be much easier for them. If you really look at it, it wouldn't be that hard.THey seem rather efficient at trapping them and relocating them. I wonder if they have had much practice. :tinfoil: :peep: :chuckle:
Think about it. They say they’re going to shoot some because of cattle depredation and the next day they’re dead. Super efficient.
So clear cut and dry. Do you think wolves were relocated here in Washington in trucks?
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Post by: baldopepper on December 25, 2023, 09:59:49 PM
Post by: boneaddict on December 26, 2023, 06:40:20 AM
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So clear cut and dry. Do you think wolves were relocated here in Washington in trucks
Well, I'm in a bit of a precarious position on that. My dad saw the trucks and saw it happening and he was not a liar or one who exaggerated. I don't know what he saw, but he went to his grave believing it.
He is not one I tended to doubt and knowing how all that was handled at the time it is quite feasible. There is also a veil of secrecy around much of the early wolf dealings which also casts a shadow on much of their dealings.
Post by: STARVATION on December 26, 2023, 07:53:53 AM
Says no wolves have been reintroduced in WA! :dunno:
Technically it is true.
There have been wolves in the Colville area that I am aware of since the early 90s.
They are not the same wolves that were imported here by the Washington Department of Predator Propagation, they were much smaller, think a coyote times two.
There were three that we saw for years, two gray and one black. Never had any issues with them so we left them alone.
Then it changed, quickly. In a few years there were wolf packs throughout the state. How did this happen after decades of virtually no wolves.
I for one do not know the whole story by any means but common sense tells you there was a driving force behind it.
One portion of the story I did get from those involved was from two Alaskan Game Officers telling of Washington buying wolves from Alaska, B.S. maybe. Did some walk here, no doubt.
But as said before, there was a spark. A decision by the above named Department strongly influenced by a political agenda.
Just an observation from someone who watched it happen in real time.
Take care, Duane.
Post by: hunter399 on December 26, 2023, 08:28:56 AM
Yup, I agree.Says no wolves have been reintroduced in WA! :dunno:
Technically it is true.
There have been wolves in the Colville area that I am aware of since the early 90s.
They are not the same wolves that were imported here by the Washington Department of Predator Propagation, they were much smaller, think a coyote times two.
There were three that we saw for years, two gray and one black. Never had any issues with them so we left them alone.
Then it changed, quickly. In a few years there were wolf packs throughout the state. How did this happen after decades of virtually no wolves.
I for one do not know the whole story by any means but common sense tells you there was a driving force behind it.
One portion of the story I did get from those involved was from two Alaskan Game Officers telling of Washington buying wolves from Alaska, B.S. maybe. Did some walk here, no doubt.
But as said before, there was a spark. A decision by the above named Department strongly influenced by a political agenda.
Just an observation from someone who watched it happen in real time.
Take care, Duane.
Seen wolves in the 90's as well.
That's one of the stories I wasn't gonna tell.
I also would say there is another story,emac comment would play into that story.
Post by: boneaddict on December 26, 2023, 08:31:58 AM
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Is there wolves in Washington?? There has been wolves here for a long time, maybe for ever. My Dad told of 2 wolves harassing him as a kid trying to catch his horse in the pasture. He was able to keep them at bay by swinging his rope around his head, the whirling noise kept them back until he got back to the barn. That was in the methow about 1912.
Mother and Dad had their honey moon and first winter in a trappers cabin on what is now the Pasayten Wilderness boundary. Dad would be gone on the trap line for 6 days then come back to take care of the hides the 7th day of the week, providing the weather cooperated. For two days a wolf sit about 100 yards from the cabin watching Mother, Dad come the next day checking the tracks, sure enough it was a wolf. That was 1927.
I was about 14 when I was camping out in Gardner meadows (about 11 miles into the now Wilderness) just my dog and horse, no tent or even a fly, just an old army blanket. I was camped by the edge of the timber, there was a full moon on the meadows but the timber was in the shade of the mountain and very dark. I had gathered enough squaw wood to get me asleep, when all of a sudden my dog was very scared and getting as close to the fire as possible. Then I seen this wolf moving from one bush to another in the moonlight, it was slowly circling about 50 yards away, it would go into the timber then after a while it would be back in the moon light again. I was scared, when it was in the light I would try to find more wood in the dark, when it went into the dark I would stand as close to the fire as possible, I have no idea how close it got on the dark side. It was a very long night, my fire was very small by first light the last time I seen the wolf. That was 1949.
Close to the same year me and another kid was helping 3 men pack salt (by pack horse) for the cattle, we were going around under Story peak when there was 3 wolves following us at about 150 yards, one of the guy's had a pistol but the wolves never got closer, they followed about an hour.
About 1953 while hunting deer in the methow I found a freshly killed wolf, he had been shot.
About 25 years ago I seen a wolf two different years near Reynolds peak, one year she had 2 young with her, I think it was the same wolf both years. Other people seen these to.
For a few years, 15-20 years ago while I was packing for an outfitter the USFS would have a couple people at the trail head at day light to inform the hunters how important it was to NOT shoot any coyotes, it was sickening how they got this message across without mentioning the word wolf. If my memory serves me right it was illegal to shoot coyotes during deer season in that period. I don't know but suspicion they had planted some wolves in the area and didn't want any body to mistake them for coyotes.
About 15 years ago I know of a wolf encounter that happened close to my home by a close acquaintance.
and Scott Fitkins Quote from back in 2008 when the wolves made their mysterious "comeback"
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"As long as they have an adequate prey base, which are deer, and don't get killed," recovery should take care of itself, he said.
kind of an odd thing to put out there.....but anyhow, what happened in 2008 that made the wolves all of a sudden explode.
What was the spark that made it happen or the magic wand.
Post by: Twispriver on December 26, 2023, 11:34:48 AM
Post by: boneaddict on December 26, 2023, 12:18:34 PM
I'm not sure when they bought the Golden Doe. That instantly became wolf central and I believe approxiamately where they were reported being seen dropping them off
Post by: nwwanderer on December 26, 2023, 03:16:59 PM
Post by: KFhunter on December 26, 2023, 06:45:10 PM
Post by: buckfvr on December 26, 2023, 07:50:26 PM
Post by: boneaddict on December 27, 2023, 07:46:21 AM
Old timers die and their stories die or fade with them. Water under the bridge. It kinda reminds of other things that probably got pulled over on us, that is all labeled conspiracy theory. Things like Kennedy, election fraud, COvid. :chuckle:
Post by: BIGINNER on December 27, 2023, 09:19:52 AM
Post by: LDennis24 on December 27, 2023, 10:27:31 AM
:yeah: The only relevance now will be grizz bears. I imagine that would be a little harder for them.
Old timers die and their stories die or fade with them. Water under the bridge. It kinda reminds of other things that probably got pulled over on us, that is all labeled conspiracy theory. Things like Kennedy, election fraud, COvid. :chuckle:
Where did the grizzly they just relocated from Colville go to?
Post by: Ridgeratt on December 27, 2023, 10:29:43 AM
Where did the grizzly they just relocated from Colville go to?
My best guess is Witness Protection program. :dunno:
Post by: walt on December 27, 2023, 10:37:18 AM
Where did the grizzly they just relocated from Colville go to?
Northern PO county, up behind Sullivan Lake is what I heard
Post by: hunter399 on December 27, 2023, 11:56:03 AM
A very good family friend of ours told us stories of how he was part of a group (not sure what group or organization) that released wolves in the cascade mountains around 1995. Unfortunatley he passed away about 15 years ago. He said he was their and was physicly handling the crates and was there through the release as well. I dont recall exactly how much he said they released but i vaigly remember that it was 4 or 5 wolves. 3 were black. I was a kid when he told us the stories so obviously i didnt think much of it other than that it was super cool. He was an avid hunter as well. It seamed like the wold topic was abit more acceptable with some hunters back then.
One story I can tell.
One day I was hunting a pretty remote mountain.
Early 90's. I was pretty young. Walk all day kinda guy.
Go all day ,without food or water.Walk till your feet are blisters.
Climbed this mountain, probably 3/4 way to the top.
Then I circled the mountain at about the same elevation,came up over the top and back around to ground zero where I started.
This took me all day till the afternoon. I was taking a break.
So this very old man,using his lever action for a walking stick.
He had walked the same face I had climbed at first light. He sits down out of breath. Next to a huge bull pine pulls out a sandwich and a soda pop. I walk down there sit with him for a few minutes.
I remember it like this ,cause it was late afternoon. I was starving and thirsty at this point. But I never ask for food or drink,of course he doesn't offer.
He did proceed to tell me about these "wild dogs" in the area.
Shoot them on site,don't hesitate he says,just kill them.
Don't drag them out,kill em and leave em he said.
I try to talk at him about deer hunting and other game animals in the area. He just keeps going off about these wild dogs.
Never said wolf,never said coyote, just wild dogs that had been released in the area. So I'm thinking crazy old man.
I was so hungry and thirsty at this point. I was like I'll head down.
I remember thinking to my self,as I left the old timer ,him sitting there under that tree with his lever action. Hope he makes down ok.
Other thought was he probably didn't have to many more trips up the mountain left in him. Since he was using his rifle as a walking stick.
No other hunters,nobody up there that day except him and I.
Which was pretty normal for that area.
Fast forward a few days later....
I was on a different mountain,but only a few miles from the old man encounter. I see a very large dog going down a ridge. Maybe 3 or 400 yards away . Flat cooking hauling balls.
So I remember what the old man had said. Pulled up my rifle was gonna just take a pop shot at it. I watched it in the scope go into a patch of trees,then see it go over the ridge. And never got a shot off.
I thought ,I guess that old man wasn't crazy.
These areas don't have any houses, definitely not a house dog,or coyote. But I can't say for sure it was a wolf.
Everything happened so quick.
Just a story,this looked like a good place to share.
Post by: highcountry_hunter on December 27, 2023, 07:24:43 PM
Affirm. Released into their Salmo recovery zoneWhere did the grizzly they just relocated from Colville go to?
Northern PO county, up behind Sullivan Lake is what I heard
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Post by: KFhunter on December 27, 2023, 07:44:00 PM
https://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php/topic,161295.30.html
Post by: HighlandLofts on January 21, 2024, 03:29:34 PM
Post by: Alchase on January 24, 2024, 07:47:37 AM
read this:
https://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php/topic,161295.30.html
Interesting to go back 10 years and re-read that thread :tup:
Then realize we are still asking the same questions 10 years later :hello:
:bash: