Post by: iRem on January 23, 2024, 01:36:48 PM
Post by: ShedHead20 on January 23, 2024, 01:47:24 PM
I do want to try some TSS and my co-worker says I'll never go back if I make the change. Hard to justify 60 bucks for 5 rounds when the Long Beard gets it more than done each time. :twocents:
Post by: h2ofowlr on January 23, 2024, 01:50:23 PM
Post by: baldopepper on January 23, 2024, 01:54:16 PM
Post by: wadu1 on January 23, 2024, 01:54:39 PM
Why change whats working. Does going from $15 a box of shells to $50 + dollar box get you an extra dead turkey. :chuckle:
:yeah:
Post by: hughjorgan on January 23, 2024, 01:56:12 PM
Post by: iRem on January 23, 2024, 02:16:11 PM
I do want to try some TSS and my co-worker says I'll never go back if I make the change. Hard to justify 60 bucks for 5 rounds when the Long Beard gets it more than done each time. :twocents:
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That's the dilemma, want to try it but why accrue the cost...
Post by: iRem on January 23, 2024, 02:19:52 PM
Why change whats working. Does going from $15 a box of shells to $50 + dollar box get you an extra dead turkey. :chuckle:
Tru dat... haven't had a problem yet especially shooting 3 1/2".
Post by: birddogdad on January 23, 2024, 03:24:58 PM
Sure in past times, i ran a SBE2 in 12 ga, 3 1/2" cannon loads! devastating results when i shifted to TSS, had partner tell me its a gimmick and i promptly (being a bit of a wise guy) shot a bird he passed on that i was calling to him as" too far" as it spooked. i have downsized to 20 ga with a purpose built Franchi Affinity running 3" 1 3/8 oz mostly in #9 but can drop to 7.5 if desired.. its absolute money and just over 6.5#, carries all day, nothing gets away period. built a break down savage 410 turkey gun and it too is wonderful, wont shoot past 35yds (ish) but it will kill well past this. this one tips scales around 5#.
TSS is the real deal its expensive (but so is your time to get to the trigger pull on a bird). if you are an in-state couple birds a year, in your back yard or friends private property just for something to do, then its probably not for you or needed... but if you are addicted, several states, work miles and mountains shagging birds, consider the direction i have gone here.. calling spring toms in, watching the show, not needing to harvest every time out, that is where i am at in my turkey journey but i will say, driving 10 hours for a long weekend speed run, TSS price point is not even a consideration with all the other money i throw at my addiction...i know i will never look back from TSS
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Post by: duckmen1 on January 23, 2024, 03:34:18 PM
Post by: ShedHead20 on January 23, 2024, 03:43:22 PM
Post by: ducks4days on January 23, 2024, 04:13:45 PM
For the guys saying you can kill bird 60 yards plus with TSS, isnt the mark of a good turkey hunter being able to kill them close and to be able tip your hat to the bird when he hangs up too far and walks off? I guess I'm old fashioned.
I have a lot of experience calling turkeys into 80 yards and watching them hang up and strut in that spot for minutes before leaving. If I could kill a turkey at 75 with any shell, I would likely have notched 13 more tags than I have. To each their own; TSS can help make up for a lot of mistakes folks make. If youre travelling to hunt, its worth not wasting the gas to maximize your harvest opportunity. :twocents:
Post by: ghosthunter on January 23, 2024, 05:21:26 PM
Why do we need to kill a bird at 60 yards? Now I am no turkey guru, in fact most would call me the worst turkey hunter on the planet. I have hunted them full length of this state,Colville to Asotin. I have been turkey hunting 10 years or more. Called them in to with in feet. Sit so still hens have stepped over my legs feeding.
Never killed one. Yep never killed a turkey. Now I have had offers for private land. But that’s not my style. Not interested in barn chickens.
One my buddies killed three, another buddies group kill about 20 a year road hunting them.
Again not my style.
I drive from western WA 8 hours to hunt them for one week out of my wall tent. I enjoy every minute of it. I don’t understand the person who has to kill one to justify the gas and money spent.
Is the rest of the experience worth nothing? Hearing them gobble, calling them in, finding them on public land all worth nothing, spending time with friends and grandson all worth nothing.
Sorry I just don’t get it. It’s not like they are excellent table fare.
Too many people put to much emphasis on the kill instead of everything else you get to enjoy. I like 410, I understand TSS for it. But in the end you are just adding more cost.
Really if it came for a vote I would vote to not allow it. Yeah I use a choke and a gps to get around. At some point everyone can’t kill a bird, and at some point we need to find our way back to enjoying the experience instead of needing the kill advantage.
If you came for the meat , you came for the wrong reason.
:twocents:
Post by: ASHQUACK on January 23, 2024, 05:24:13 PM
Post by: brokentrail on January 23, 2024, 05:45:26 PM
Post by: ducks4days on January 23, 2024, 06:15:19 PM
I guess I see different than most here. I see TSS as the beginning of the end.
Why do we need to kill a bird at 60 yards? Now I am no turkey guru, in fact most would call me the worst turkey hunter on the planet. I have hunted them full length of this state,Colville to Asotin. I have been turkey hunting 10 years or more. Called them in to with in feet. Sit so still hens have stepped over my legs feeding.
Never killed one. Yep never killed a turkey. Now I have had offers for private land. But that’s not my style. Not interested in barn chickens.
One my buddies killed three, another buddies group kill about 20 a year road hunting them.
Again not my style.
I drive from western WA 8 hours to hunt them for one week out of my wall tent. I enjoy every minute of it. I don’t understand the person who has to kill one to justify the gas and money spent.
Is the rest of the experience worth nothing? Hearing them gobble, calling them in, finding them on public land all worth nothing, spending time with friends and grandson all worth nothing.
Sorry I just don’t get it. It’s not like they are excellent table fare.
Too many people put to much emphasis on the kill instead of everything else you get to enjoy. I like 410, I understand TSS for it. But in the end you are just adding more cost.
Really if it came for a vote I would vote to not allow it. Yeah I use a choke and a gps to get around. At some point everyone can’t kill a bird, and at some point we need to find our way back to enjoying the experience instead of needing the kill advantage.
If you came for the meat , you came for the wrong reason.
:twocents:
OK I'll put my foot in my mouth. This is poetry.
Post by: KP-Skagit on January 23, 2024, 07:56:44 PM
To each their own. For me, big game, turkeys, ducks, the fun is getting close.
Post by: Remington Outdoors on January 23, 2024, 08:50:00 PM
Post by: Dan-o on January 23, 2024, 09:02:43 PM
And then I just had to get 3" shells.......
(Now I'm stuck with my unshot 2 3/4" turkey loads gathering dust)
And then I just had to get 3 1/2" shells.......
(Now I'm stuck with my unshot 3" turkey loads gathering dust)
If I buy TSS, I'll be stuck with a couple boxes of unshot 3 1/2" turkey loads.
And I'm still contemplating buying some of that ludicrously expensive ammo.
The stupidest part is that I typically shoot my turkeys between 10-25 yards, where those 2 3/4" loads kill them as dead as everything else.....
Post by: iRem on January 23, 2024, 09:06:11 PM
I don't necessarily need to shoot 3 1/2" but because I have it, it shot it. I may just have to pattern the TSS shells and see how they shoot. :dunno:
Post by: builtfordtough on January 23, 2024, 09:24:48 PM
Post by: h2ofowlr on January 23, 2024, 10:28:29 PM
Post by: birddogdad on January 24, 2024, 08:05:01 AM
I guess I see different than most here. I see TSS as the beginning of the end.
Why do we need to kill a bird at 60 yards? Now I am no turkey guru, in fact most would call me the worst turkey hunter on the planet. I have hunted them full length of this state,Colville to Asotin. I have been turkey hunting 10 years or more. Called them in to with in feet. Sit so still hens have stepped over my legs feeding.
Never killed one. Yep never killed a turkey. Now I have had offers for private land. But that’s not my style. Not interested in barn chickens.
One my buddies killed three, another buddies group kill about 20 a year road hunting them.
Again not my style.
I drive from western WA 8 hours to hunt them for one week out of my wall tent. I enjoy every minute of it. I don’t understand the person who has to kill one to justify the gas and money spent.
Is the rest of the experience worth nothing? Hearing them gobble, calling them in, finding them on public land all worth nothing, spending time with friends and grandson all worth nothing.
Sorry I just don’t get it. It’s not like they are excellent table fare.
Too many people put to much emphasis on the kill instead of everything else you get to enjoy. I like 410, I understand TSS for it. But in the end you are just adding more cost.
Really if it came for a vote I would vote to not allow it. Yeah I use a choke and a gps to get around. At some point everyone can’t kill a bird, and at some point we need to find our way back to enjoying the experience instead of needing the kill advantage.
If you came for the meat , you came for the wrong reason.
:twocents:
OK I'll put my foot in my mouth. This is poetry.
Kind of where i was trying to go with my post above, yes you can shoot further with TSS but not what its about, the options it has opened up for me were worth pursuit.. the modern high density nay-sayers could say the same to duck/goose hunters and steel vs heavy shot. The same distance theme argued with long range rifle shooters alot too. "Just wait until they are closer and run the cheap steel it works fine." is a perfectly acceptable position but why be so rigid to the old ways? enough about the distance red herring
My direction in response to OP was in gear options you can use with tss keeping the same effective range with a much smaller shotgun, less carry weight, pattern density, . responses toward range drowns out benefits of TSS density... the OP was asking about TSS, answer - heck yes its crazy good and has superior benefits, yes it is spendy but its all choice like you said here, its a tool and should not overshadow the experience of just being there. No different than Red dots, bino's, or a range finder which have opened a bunch of options especially for new young hunters and old farts (like me). Taking a grandchild out with a 410 vs making them shoot high brass 12ga loads is really a nice option for their experience and with TSS is as effective at 35 yards as that 12ga cannon now. "20 is the new 12" is the shotshell manufacturers theme with this stuff, heck i hate shooting those 12ga eyeball shakers . Distance to kill should not really be anywhere in the consideration... my stevens single shot 410 with turkey tss is my favorite new toy... cheap, effective, ethical and a heck of a lot of fun to shoot! one final thought with TSS, its part of a gun system, TSS chokes are now made specifically for this stuff too.
Post by: hunter399 on January 24, 2024, 08:23:48 AM
Kid does,
His favorite is the federal grand slam turkey loads,12gauge 3in.
He also has used ...
Winchester turkey loads
Remington nitro turkey loads.
Since I purchase most of them for him.
Remington are usually the cheapest and work just as good as the rest.
Tss is still too rich for me,20,12 gauge probably gonna do fine with regular loads.
Smaller gauge than 20,12 ,TSS is most likely best option.
If you would of told me ten + years ago that people would be using 410 for turkey,I'd say your crazy. That TSS is a game changer for sure. At the same time,if your already using a 12,I don't really see the point unless you want a more range or something.
Juice isn't worth the squeeze in a 12.
But I've never used them ,maybe I don't know @#$&.
Who knows.
Post by: hughjorgan on January 24, 2024, 09:16:27 AM
I guess I see different than most here. I see TSS as the beginning of the end.
Why do we need to kill a bird at 60 yards? Now I am no turkey guru, in fact most would call me the worst turkey hunter on the planet. I have hunted them full length of this state,Colville to Asotin. I have been turkey hunting 10 years or more. Called them in to with in feet. Sit so still hens have stepped over my legs feeding.
Never killed one. Yep never killed a turkey. Now I have had offers for private land. But that’s not my style. Not interested in barn chickens.
One my buddies killed three, another buddies group kill about 20 a year road hunting them.
Again not my style.
I drive from western WA 8 hours to hunt them for one week out of my wall tent. I enjoy every minute of it. I don’t understand the person who has to kill one to justify the gas and money spent.
Is the rest of the experience worth nothing? Hearing them gobble, calling them in, finding them on public land all worth nothing, spending time with friends and grandson all worth nothing.
Sorry I just don’t get it. It’s not like they are excellent table fare.
Too many people put to much emphasis on the kill instead of everything else you get to enjoy. I like 410, I understand TSS for it. But in the end you are just adding more cost.
Really if it came for a vote I would vote to not allow it. Yeah I use a choke and a gps to get around. At some point everyone can’t kill a bird, and at some point we need to find our way back to enjoying the experience instead of needing the kill advantage.
If you came for the meat , you came for the wrong reason.
:twocents:
OK I'll put my foot in my mouth. This is poetry.
Kind of where i was trying to go with my post above, yes you can shoot further with TSS but not what its about, the options it has opened up for me were worth pursuit.. the modern high density nay-sayers could say the same to duck/goose hunters and steel vs heavy shot. The same distance theme argued with long range rifle shooters alot too. "Just wait until they are closer and run the cheap steel it works fine." is a perfectly acceptable position but why be so rigid to the old ways? enough about the distance red herring
My direction in response to OP was in gear options you can use with tss keeping the same effective range with a much smaller shotgun, less carry weight, pattern density, . responses toward range drowns out benefits of TSS density... the OP was asking about TSS, answer - heck yes its crazy good and has superior benefits, yes it is spendy but its all choice like you said here, its a tool and should not overshadow the experience of just being there. No different than Red dots, bino's, or a range finder which have opened a bunch of options especially for new young hunters and old farts (like me). Taking a grandchild out with a 410 vs making them shoot high brass 12ga loads is really a nice option for their experience and with TSS is as effective at 35 yards as that 12ga cannon now. "20 is the new 12" is the shotshell manufacturers theme with this stuff, heck i hate shooting those 12ga eyeball shakers . Distance to kill should not really be anywhere in the consideration... my stevens single shot 410 with turkey tss is my favorite new toy... cheap, effective, ethical and a heck of a lot of fun to shoot! one final thought with TSS, its part of a gun system, TSS chokes are now made specifically for this stuff too.
Exactly what my thoughts on tss are; you can use a lighter setup and still get the same performance you had with the 12 gauge. If you want to use it in a 12g you’re getting superior performance at normal turkey ranges. I’d much rather have a shell that patterns 350 pellets in a 10” circle at 40 yards then what the performance of lead will get you. TSS will provide that performance which in my mind means quicker, cleaner kills. Isn’t that what we all strive for?
Post by: boneaddict on January 24, 2024, 10:12:05 AM
Post by: jrebel on January 24, 2024, 10:22:14 AM
Post by: wannabhntr on January 24, 2024, 12:21:50 PM
Post by: Karl Blanchard on January 24, 2024, 12:31:49 PM
The cost argument doesn't hold water imo. Few rounds to pattern but after that you're only shooting 1-3 a year. If I can afford the $100 for gas and everything else that goes along with a turkey trip, I can afford $5-10 for a few shells that undoubtedly ensures a quick clean kill and a bird in the vest :twocents:
Post by: baldopepper on January 24, 2024, 12:40:02 PM
Post by: HikerHunter on January 24, 2024, 02:47:18 PM
Post by: iRem on January 25, 2024, 08:50:49 PM
Post by: Russ McDonald on January 26, 2024, 04:51:01 AM
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Post by: GWP on January 26, 2024, 10:54:59 AM
If you reload, you can download a bit, either weight or fps, for someone that does not like 'kicker' loads and still have better performance than steel loads.
That, and I used to carry some 'hot', max weight, larger pellet, premium HeviShot (heavier than lead), for the down but swimming away birds.
I would say 'stunned' is the word for how some observers reacted to how far away those were effective.
Post by: ASHQUACK on January 28, 2024, 08:21:25 PM
Post by: Remington Outdoors on April 03, 2024, 08:01:34 PM
t=27s
Post by: C-Money on April 04, 2024, 06:27:38 AM
Post by: Huckleberry on April 04, 2024, 06:53:07 AM
Post by: Rugsnfeathers on April 04, 2024, 11:01:38 AM
Why change whats working. Does going from $15 a box of shells to $50 + dollar box get you an extra dead turkey. :chuckle:
:yeah:
After your hunt, go buy yourself a nice steak dinner with the $35.00 you saved.
Post by: Pegasus on April 04, 2024, 03:25:43 PM
Post by: tgomez on April 04, 2024, 09:35:24 PM
Post by: HikerHunter on April 05, 2024, 08:29:54 AM
After your hunt, go buy yourself a nice steak dinner with the $35.00 you saved.
I view some purchases, which would include turkey shells, on a longer time scale. If you use two turkey shells a year, then shooting a $1 shell versus a $10 shell saves you $18 a year. On that same year time scale, let's say you drive 10k miles and gas is $4/gal, if you ease up on your lead foot and get 16 mpg instead of 15 mpg, then you would save $170.
There are certainly easier ways to save money in my view, but now the question is whether you can tell a difference between an $18 steak and a $170 steak???
Post by: birddogdad on April 05, 2024, 11:12:20 AM
My gun likes a heavy load of Remington #5s. On the occasional longer shot I can't imagine picking out 8s or even 9s from the meat. Some of those targets looked like Swiss cheese. Dead turkey but is it edible? I've never tried the TSS but used that logic on my ammo purchase this season. Is the small shot reasonable? I grind most of my birds to utilize wing/back/leg meat so it does get cut up and searched through.
so i guess the first thought here is yeah, small shot is reasonable, you dont shoot a turkey in the breast ... TSS chokes are a very tight pattern and head shot should be the norm so picking from meat is minimal, not taking flight passing shots here to pepper a body. it comes down to choice as i have said but money should not have any play in ammo choice with all the other costs that never get mentioned. the "nickel and dime" on ammo argument has always been funny to me .. TSS does have advantages and is superior in all performance aspects over all other stuff but if you dont want it , dont do it. I like that i have same to superior 40-50yd performance from a 2 3/4" TSS in 20 ga as to the 12ga max load #5 guys with less carry weight and WAY less recoil. :twocents:
Post by: Call em in on April 05, 2024, 12:51:44 PM
After your hunt, go buy yourself a nice steak dinner with the $35.00 you saved.
I view some purchases, which would include turkey shells, on a longer time scale. If you use two turkey shells a year, then shooting a $1 shell versus a $10 shell saves you $18 a year. On that same year time scale, let's say you drive 10k miles and gas is $4/gal, if you ease up on your lead foot and get 16 mpg instead of 15 mpg, then you would save $170.
There are certainly easier ways to save money in my view, but now the question is whether you can tell a difference between an $18 steak and a $170 steak???
Well said.
Post by: TheStovePipeKid on April 07, 2024, 04:15:06 PM
In conclusion, if you're hunting enough to consider trying TSS, then do it! The proper choke and a box of shells on sale will hardly break the bank. If you find you don't like it, trade your leftover shells for some root beer and settle back into your setup.
Post by: Threewolves on April 10, 2024, 09:11:48 AM
Club members price is a little better 39.98 for 12 and 20. 34.98 for 410.
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Post by: Threewolves on April 11, 2024, 06:46:59 AM
I remember back in the day killing my 1st bird with 12ga 2 3/4 inch. 1 1/4 ounce, #4 duck a pheasant load.
My deisel truck was just below half, I filled it, and it cost 98.00.
I think I am cheap about shotgun shells, it's not like my life depends on the ammo, I am not hunting Cape Buffalo or anything. And as far as fuel prices thanks Joe.
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Post by: avidnwoutdoorsman on April 11, 2024, 08:22:01 AM
Just a tip for people trying to save a dollar. Find a friend that wants to load experiment and its even better but highly unlikely that you find a friend that has the same make of gun as you. This way you guys can split the cost of loads and chokes.... each of you buy 3-4 loads and 1-2 chokes. Go out an make a day of it sharing. This way you might get to try 8 loads and 4 chokes like this kid did. Cuz heck even switching form a #5 to #6 or to a blended can make a heck of a difference.
Then when ever you find the load you love buy as much as humanly possible of it...you dont have to really... I just really miss my old load. I was smart enough to buy 5 extra boxes once when it was on sale 4 years ago but I'm down to my last box and they dont make/sell it anymore. Its been rebranded as the Grand Slam load by federal but it aint the same. But knowing this I've been load testing for the last couple years to find my next lead and non-lead load to bulk up on.
PS if any of you have some 12ga. 3.5" Federal #5 copper plated with flight control kicking around that's the load my gun loves and I would be willing to take it off your hands. Red-ish federal turkey load box.
Oh, and why shoot 3.5" instead of 3" for the same comment as above with the shot size. I have tried 2-3/4" to 3-1/2" in almost every load you can get off the shelf at sportmans or cabelas or whatever. Kent, Federal, Remington, Browning, Herters, etc and my gun likes the discontinued 3.5" #5 Federal.
PSS Ask your friends if they have any loads they aren't using anymore or have tried and dont like and run them through your gun. You might find a ringer load. I'm always giving away boxes of shells to friends to try "cuz it didnt work for me".
Post by: salish on April 13, 2024, 10:37:11 AM
Post by: outdoorspapa on April 14, 2024, 08:45:48 AM
Post by: Limhangerslayer on April 14, 2024, 09:59:27 AM
I do want to try some TSS and my co-worker says I'll never go back if I make the change. Hard to justify 60 bucks for 5 rounds when the Long Beard gets it more than done each time. :twocents:
That's the dilemma, want to try it but why accrue the cost...
[/quote] in the grand scheme of things is $60 for a box really that bad when you look at all the expenses? Just a drop in the hat really.
Post by: C-Money on April 22, 2024, 09:27:06 AM
Post by: Threewolves on April 22, 2024, 09:55:51 AM
My son smacked his mature gobbler last week with one shot, using Remington Express long range 12ga 2 3/4" 1 1/4oz #5 shot 3 3/4 dram ammo. He couldn't find the box of turkey loads so put some pheasant loads in his pocket. The full choke he used was the one that came with the shotgun, nothing fancy. This was his first turkey. Of course, pretty excited for the boy. I bought a box of Remington 3.5" 2oz #4 max dram turkey loads this weekend. Probably didn't need to, defiantly don't need 3.5", but if we get another chance, we'll see if the turkey is any deader by using the turkey loads... :chuckle:
Very nice, yep, what your son used is really all anyone needs. No sense overthinking it, after all we are only hunting reptiles with feathers. Anything else is just feeding in to the commercialization of something that is suppose to be simple and somehow elevating turkeys to some kind of mystical status. BUT, people feel the need to buy specialty chokes, shells, guns.......
Post by: iRem on April 22, 2024, 10:29:15 AM
My son smacked his mature gobbler last week with one shot, using Remington Express long range 12ga 2 3/4" 1 1/4oz #5 shot 3 3/4 dram ammo. He couldn't find the box of turkey loads so put some pheasant loads in his pocket. The full choke he used was the one that came with the shotgun, nothing fancy. This was his first turkey. Of course, pretty excited for the boy. I bought a box of Remington 3.5" 2oz #4 max dram turkey loads this weekend. Probably didn't need to, defiantly don't need 3.5", but if we get another chance, we'll see if the turkey is any deader by using the turkey loads... :chuckle:Nice work to you and your son! My oldest son took his first bird…actually first 2 birds this past weekend, 2 shots 2 birds with the Winchester XR 12 gauge 3 1/2” #5. I’ll post something later.
Post by: iRem on April 22, 2024, 10:38:28 AM
Here’s a snapshot of his first bird…My son smacked his mature gobbler last week with one shot, using Remington Express long range 12ga 2 3/4" 1 1/4oz #5 shot 3 3/4 dram ammo. He couldn't find the box of turkey loads so put some pheasant loads in his pocket. The full choke he used was the one that came with the shotgun, nothing fancy. This was his first turkey. Of course, pretty excited for the boy. I bought a box of Remington 3.5" 2oz #4 max dram turkey loads this weekend. Probably didn't need to, defiantly don't need 3.5", but if we get another chance, we'll see if the turkey is any deader by using the turkey loads... :chuckle:Nice work to you and your son! My oldest son took his first bird…actually first 2 birds this past weekend, 2 shots 2 birds with the Winchester XR 12 gauge 3 1/2” #5. I’ll post something later.
https://youtube.com/shorts/P_Koazz5HQg?si=s83BPYKD_WwoUmEg
Post by: duckmen1 on April 22, 2024, 02:53:41 PM