Post by: chukardogs on May 05, 2024, 05:30:38 PM
Post by: millerwheeler on May 05, 2024, 06:49:36 PM
Anyone on here know why there's no North Chelan (2-1 and 2-3) Mountain Goat tags being offered for special tags this year? I may have missed it because the map shows the areas but the list of tags doesn't show any tags available. I assume the Mountain Goat numbers are pretty bad but someone on here may know for sure. It seems like the Wolves over the last several years, could have made quick work of the few Goats left during the winter and spring before the Goats head back into their summer range.
Tags were not there last year either , when they say try not to shoot Nannies they mean it
Post by: time2hunt on May 05, 2024, 09:23:59 PM
Anyone on here know why there's no North Chelan (2-1 and 2-3) Mountain Goat tags being offered for special tags this year? I may have missed it because the map shows the areas but the list of tags doesn't show any tags available. I assume the Mountain Goat numbers are pretty bad but someone on here may know for sure. It seems like the Wolves over the last several years, could have made quick work of the few Goats left during the winter and spring before the Goats head back into their summer range.
Tags were not there last year either , when they say try not to shoot Nannies they mean it
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Post by: time2hunt on May 05, 2024, 09:25:14 PM
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Post by: Skyvalhunter on May 06, 2024, 05:17:55 AM
Post by: millerwheeler on May 06, 2024, 05:01:27 PM
The goat numbers are horrible there but then so are the deer numbers. that Navarre pack hangs out there
The last year the tag was open we had zero issues finding goats. I mean zero there were in what I like to call “way the f@@k “ up there but we found them and the tag holder had a great hunt I know I’ll never forget it. Hope tag comes back for some lucky folks
Post by: Threewolves on May 08, 2024, 02:21:47 PM
Look what happened to the goat rocks population after cougar hunting with dogs was shutdown. Granted you couldn't use dogs in the wilderness, but you could all around it. Was 5 goat tags now one west and east
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Post by: time2hunt on May 08, 2024, 02:38:08 PM
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Post by: fishngamereaper on May 08, 2024, 03:08:11 PM
Not saying that it's not a problem..it's just not a profound problem in the Chelan units ...it's also actually really disappointing to see on average half the goats killed in WA are females
I was also a little shocked to see allot of tags go unfilled and to see the hunter average days in the single digits. :yike:
Like who gets an oil tag and spends 2 days trying to fill it...your either in or your out... :chuckle:
Post by: HntnFsh on May 08, 2024, 06:41:55 PM
If you look back through harvest stats the Chelan tags on average have fewer females killed than other units
Not saying that it's not a problem..it's just not a profound problem in the Chelan units ...it's also actually really disappointing to see on average half the goats killed in WA are females
I was also a little shocked to see allot of tags go unfilled and to see the hunter average days in the single digits. :yike:
Like who gets an oil tag and spends 2 days trying to fill it...your either in or your out... :chuckle:
I think a lot of people just throw out a random number on the days spent hunting. I have a hunch the posted numbers arent real accurate.
Post by: chukardogs on May 08, 2024, 06:52:37 PM
Post by: DeerThug on May 08, 2024, 08:11:28 PM
Post by: hunterednate on May 09, 2024, 10:02:09 AM
If you look back through harvest stats the Chelan tags on average have fewer females killed than other units
Not saying that it's not a problem..it's just not a profound problem in the Chelan units ...it's also actually really disappointing to see on average half the goats killed in WA are females
I was also a little shocked to see allot of tags go unfilled and to see the hunter average days in the single digits. :yike:
Like who gets an oil tag and spends 2 days trying to fill it...your either in or your out... :chuckle:
I'm not sure how much I trust the published harvest statistics. I killed my goat in 2019 (a billy). In 2021, the published harvest stats for my goat unit in 2019 recorded my goat as a nanny (it was the only tag in the unit). I emailed the bio about this (he and I had been in frequent contact before, during, and after my hunt) and he said he had no idea why it was recorded as a nanny in the published harvest stats, but not to worry because he and the other bios have a different data source they use for their work, and in that database - it's recorded as a billy :dunno:
The tagholder the year before me (2018) had also killed a billy (again, only tag in the unit)...and that goat was also mis-recorded in the published stats as a nanny.
Anyway, that experience rocked my faith in the published reports' reliability, especially for goats.
Post by: teanawayslayer on May 09, 2024, 10:19:50 AM
Post by: Mtnwalker on May 09, 2024, 10:20:36 AM
If you look back through harvest stats the Chelan tags on average have fewer females killed than other units
Not saying that it's not a problem..it's just not a profound problem in the Chelan units ...it's also actually really disappointing to see on average half the goats killed in WA are females
I was also a little shocked to see allot of tags go unfilled and to see the hunter average days in the single digits. :yike:
Like who gets an oil tag and spends 2 days trying to fill it...your either in or your out... :chuckle:
I'm not sure how much I trust the published harvest statistics. I killed my goat in 2019 (a billy). In 2021, the published harvest stats for my goat unit in 2019 recorded my goat as a nanny (it was the only tag in the unit). I emailed the bio about this (he and I had been in frequent contact before, during, and after my hunt) and he said he had no idea why it was recorded as a nanny in the published harvest stats, but not to worry because he and the other bios have a different data source they use for their work, and in that database - it's recorded as a billy :dunno:
The tagholder the year before me (2018) had also killed a billy (again, only tag in the unit)...and that goat was also mis-recorded in the published stats as a nanny.
Anyway, that experience rocked my faith in the published reports' reliability, especially for goats.
Hmm. Almost sounds intentional doesn't it
Post by: Fletch on May 09, 2024, 10:47:02 AM
Was on the this hunt 2 years prior to it going away. There was a very good number of goats. Rumor has it the next year a Wdfw employee had the tag and apparently didn’t even see a goat. We went on two trips. The first trip we saw lots of goats but most were high in inaccessible areas. The second trip later in November the goats by no means were low but obtainable. It’s all weather dependent on when and where there going to be. I truly believe the raffle and governor tags are what caused the downfall in goat numbers.
My brother had the tag the year before the WDFW guy did and got a billy. He talked to the WDFW before and after the hunt and the guy mentioned seeing goats on the north side but had the south side tag. As the season moved along the fog settled in and couldnt see anything from the lake and ended up eating it. Definitely weather depedent not just on snow but fog as well. We were lucky and didnt have much fog.
Post by: fishngamereaper on May 09, 2024, 02:13:42 PM
If you look back through harvest stats the Chelan tags on average have fewer females killed than other units
Not saying that it's not a problem..it's just not a profound problem in the Chelan units ...it's also actually really disappointing to see on average half the goats killed in WA are females
I was also a little shocked to see allot of tags go unfilled and to see the hunter average days in the single digits. :yike:
Like who gets an oil tag and spends 2 days trying to fill it...your either in or your out... :chuckle:
I'm not sure how much I trust the published harvest statistics. I killed my goat in 2019 (a billy). In 2021, the published harvest stats for my goat unit in 2019 recorded my goat as a nanny (it was the only tag in the unit). I emailed the bio about this (he and I had been in frequent contact before, during, and after my hunt) and he said he had no idea why it was recorded as a nanny in the published harvest stats, but not to worry because he and the other bios have a different data source they use for their work, and in that database - it's recorded as a billy :dunno:
The tagholder the year before me (2018) had also killed a billy (again, only tag in the unit)...and that goat was also mis-recorded in the published stats as a nanny.
Anyway, that experience rocked my faith in the published reports' reliability, especially for goats.
Sure builds confidence in an agency when they can't even get first grade level data entry correct..
Be interesting to PDR the bios "database" .
I find it hard to believe there's a difference
So does that mean all harvest data on DFWs website is inaccurately entered...and the bios have different data....
Why can't they just admit they like manipulating the data...at least that doesn't make em look like complete idiots...