Post by: LDennis24 on May 10, 2024, 12:19:25 PM
Post by: duckmen1 on May 10, 2024, 04:54:07 PM
Post by: Irish_hunter93 on May 10, 2024, 05:07:30 PM
Odd the final paragraph says the complications may occur from mixing hatchery and wild fish for broodstock. But the Quinault Reservation results indicate otherwise.:yeah:
Post by: Irish_hunter93 on May 10, 2024, 05:09:20 PM
Post by: elkrack on May 10, 2024, 07:26:16 PM
Imagine if the whole state ran things like the quinalt. Pipe dream unfortunately......
:yeah:X10
:bash: :bash: :bash:
This state is ran by fools
Post by: HUNTIN4SIX on May 11, 2024, 05:55:39 AM
Post by: timberfaller on May 11, 2024, 10:29:40 AM
USFW hatchery manager, "as of 1992, we caught the last known wild Salmon everything else is from the Carson stock". NOAA, what Salmon are not caught for the hatchery's use, those will spawn and WE will call them "wild Salmon" from now on.
Salmon is being used the same as the Spotted Owl was and still is!!
Spotted Owl helped destroy the timber industry, Salmon finished it off and destroyed the "green belts" in the Methow.
"hello, I am from the government, I am here to help you" the most dangerous words ever used!
Post by: Sitka_Blacktail on May 11, 2024, 01:23:35 PM
Spotted Owl helped destroy the timber industry, Salmon finished it off and destroyed the "green belts" in the Methow.
I'd say The Reagan administration allowing the export of raw logs did a lot more damage to the timber industry than the spotted owl, which became the scapegoat. Before that, logs had to be manufactured in some way before they could be exported. That's when American mills started going out of business or at least downsizing with hundreds if not thousands of jobs lost. At least that's what happened here in Grays Harbor.
Post by: Alan K on May 11, 2024, 06:49:55 PM
Post by: 280ackley on May 11, 2024, 07:36:20 PM
Lack of supply is killing the industry. 7 mills have closed in the PNW already THIS year,,, four in OR, one in ID and two in MT. Yet the USFS is sitting on an ample supply,,, add Oregon's vote on their new HCP on ODF ground (34% reduction of harvest) and the WA DNR getting sued on virtually every timber sale now, the only mills that will survive are the one who own their own land.
Post by: LDennis24 on May 11, 2024, 08:19:21 PM
Post by: Buckhunter24 on May 11, 2024, 09:12:47 PM
Post by: LDennis24 on May 11, 2024, 11:21:07 PM
Post by: Sitka_Blacktail on May 12, 2024, 03:06:58 PM
The timber industry today is limited by log supply. Still have loggers, truckers foresters, etc. whether the logs are manufactured here or not.
I was scaling logs when the export ban was lifted. The Japanese, Chinese and Koreans were buying all the raw logs they could get their hands on. That is where the supply went. My check scaler made a trip to Japan and told me that Japan had bays full of sunken log rafts they were saving for future use. 100s of millions of board feet. And they bid up the price of raw logs to where US mills couldn't or wouldn't compete.
Post by: Jake Dogfish on May 12, 2024, 05:45:49 PM
This article is absolute BS.
Great insight! :chuckle:
We need fish capable of reproducing in the wild, and we need to plant them in every creek.
Post by: dilleytech on May 15, 2024, 10:55:21 AM
This article is absolute BS.
Great insight! :chuckle:
We need fish capable of reproducing in the wild, and we need to plant them in every creek.
Agreed more hatchery fish. Which are great at reproducing naturally.