Post by: NOCK NOCK on June 08, 2024, 07:45:24 PM
Is a forklift with pneumatic what I should be looking at? Also, small quarters, so do not want a large machine.
PS, I know next to nothing about any of these. :chuckle:
Post by: Jpmiller on June 08, 2024, 07:55:27 PM
Post by: Smokeploe on June 08, 2024, 07:57:44 PM
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Post by: fowl smacker on June 08, 2024, 08:27:36 PM
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Post by: jackelope on June 09, 2024, 10:06:10 AM
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I don’t know much about forklifts but I’d be super leary of anything that is a traditional forklift on anything but hard paved surface. I assume skid steers are more expensive but probably way more useful for other stuff too and they definitely won’t get stuck. Maybe the air tire machines are better in gravel. Dunno.
https://www.facebook.com/share/QzibRijpXNckpBjf/?mibextid=79PoIi
Post by: jdb on June 09, 2024, 12:49:52 PM
Our parking lot queen hard at work stuck in a pothole. Fortunately I was not at the wheel. Had to get a truck to pull it out. These things get stuck if you blink at them the wrong way.and can be a mofo to get out
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I don’t know much about forklifts but I’d be super leary of anything that is a traditional forklift on anything but hard paved surface. I assume skid steers are more expensive but probably way more useful for other stuff too and they definitely won’t get stuck. Maybe the air tire machines are better in gravel. Dunno.
https://www.facebook.com/share/QzibRijpXNckpBjf/?mibextid=79PoIi
Post by: jackelope on June 09, 2024, 04:00:50 PM
Our parking lot queen hard at work stuck in a pothole. Fortunately I was not at the wheel. Had to get a truck to pull it out. These things get stuck if you blink at them the wrong way.and can be a mofo to get out
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20240609/49f7aa9f1713040be4a9855e0e7a29be.jpg)
I don’t know much about forklifts but I’d be super leary of anything that is a traditional forklift on anything but hard paved surface. I assume skid steers are more expensive but probably way more useful for other stuff too and they definitely won’t get stuck. Maybe the air tire machines are better in gravel. Dunno.
https://www.facebook.com/share/QzibRijpXNckpBjf/?mibextid=79PoIi
We had to pull the stupid thing out of the mediocre sized pothole with a truck.
Unrelated side note. Ford required we purchase it if we want to be able to service EV’s. Had to buy one with 5k lift capacity.
Post by: NOCK NOCK on June 09, 2024, 05:48:25 PM
JLG telehandler forklift would work really well but I think they are well out of your price range. That being said I’d go with a skid steer like previous posters have already said.
From what I've seen, SS is basically out of my budget too. The ones I can afford are ancient and super high hours, not wanting someone else's money pit. Telehandler way too big.
Post by: NOCK NOCK on June 09, 2024, 05:50:47 PM
Our parking lot queen hard at work stuck in a pothole. Fortunately I was not at the wheel. Had to get a truck to pull it out. These things get stuck if you blink at them the wrong way.
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20240609/49f7aa9f1713040be4a9855e0e7a29be.jpg)
I don’t know much about forklifts but I’d be super leary of anything that is a traditional forklift on anything but hard paved surface. I assume skid steers are more expensive but probably way more useful for other stuff too and they definitely won’t get stuck. Maybe the air tire machines are better in gravel. Dunno.
https://www.facebook.com/share/QzibRijpXNckpBjf/?mibextid=79PoIi
That looks like a hard tire model, I know those wont work. Asking about experiences with pneumatic tires?
Something like this?
Post by: wadu1 on June 09, 2024, 06:01:17 PM
Post by: Jpmiller on June 09, 2024, 07:36:18 PM
Post by: NOCK NOCK on June 09, 2024, 08:02:44 PM
An older model skid steer is pretty basic. An open cab model and mostly mechanical. If you look at one I’d check for hydraulic leaks and raise the arms up and shut it off. They’ll all settle some, settle alot is a bad sign. I’d go tracks over wheels unless you’re using it alot on roads. A lot of them are super tight to work on so if you’ve got tiny hands it’s usually an easy fix.
What year/hours of use would be in my budget range of $8K
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Post by: Jpmiller on June 10, 2024, 08:02:03 PM
An older model skid steer is pretty basic. An open cab model and mostly mechanical. If you look at one I’d check for hydraulic leaks and raise the arms up and shut it off. They’ll all settle some, settle alot is a bad sign. I’d go tracks over wheels unless you’re using it alot on roads. A lot of them are super tight to work on so if you’ve got tiny hands it’s usually an easy fix.
What year/hours of use would be in my budget range of $8K
Depends on brand. Kubotas are cheap, I never liked them but I was always using them for work and putting them through a lot more than you would in your application. Bobcat makes my favorite but Cats are good too. Takeuchi is a good middle of the road imo. You would probably be looking at around a 20 year old machine or older in that range but I wouldn’t be scared off by age. They’re made to last if they’re maintained.
Post by: Jpmiller on June 10, 2024, 08:05:15 PM
Post by: Dan-o on June 10, 2024, 10:40:22 PM
Bidadoo auctions in Kent has forklifts at auction more weeks than not.
I've bought 7-8 pieces of equipment from them over the years, and always felt like I was treated fairly and nothing was misrepresented.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/204820445332?mkevt=1&mkcid=1&mkrid=711-53200-19255-0&campid=5338265335&toolid=10001&customid=80389321-299a-4526-b8e1-84f76c95d7ed
Post by: addicted1 on June 10, 2024, 10:46:04 PM
Post by: huntingfool7 on June 11, 2024, 05:01:31 AM
I've owned and operated both hard tired and pneumatic tired forklifts for years on both paved and gravel surfaces. Your ground is the issue. Hard tires will get stuck in short order. Pneumatics are not as capable as many seem to think. Currently own a Hyster 80 with air tires that has spent some time on rural property with no pavement. On gravel {without a load} it handles a slight grade poorly. If you're very careful it will handle the flat ground assuming well prepared, tight compacted gravel surface. If your gravel is loose and has any thickness you will get stuck...or worse. If you insist on a forklift look for one with dual air tires up front.
What you really need is a tractor with a front end loader rated for the weight you will be handling. You will need more room for turning but the machine will handle the terrain.
Post by: NOCK NOCK on June 11, 2024, 06:06:13 AM
I was kinda thinking that about a SS.
Maybe im off, but I look at stuff by how well its appearance is, if it looks beat up, my guess is it wasn't taken care of, internally too.
Tractor has always been my first choice, I just dont have room to operate a larger one that will lift the weight I need.
Post by: Rob on June 11, 2024, 08:14:48 AM
A neighbor has a skid-steer with a blower on it that bailed me out a couple times before I got the tractor. it had "summer tracks" on it and would get stuck on snow in a low spot. never took more than a small nudge to get it going again, but those tracks would just spin if it stopped in the wrong spot.
But 8K is a budget # you are going to keep hitting up against... 2-3 times that will get you a nice machine.
I just unloaded a truck full of lumber onto the forks on a pallet last weekend. I just dropped it in an out of the way place, and then when I am ready for it I will pick it up and move it to the job site. Pretty handy!
Post by: OutHouse on June 11, 2024, 08:21:16 AM
Back when I was running a forklift loading trucks in a warehouse we used to get a forklift stuck every time we had to load/unload in the parking lot
:yeah:
I loved driving forklifts when I worked a lumber yard back in the late 2000s. But it was terrible when we had to side load certain trailers off the pavement. The darn things are so heavy and the narrow tires cuts right into the ground.
Post by: Rob on June 11, 2024, 08:21:59 AM
Alos handy for hauling brush to the burn pile. and changing the oil on the ATV a snap.
Post by: NOCK NOCK on June 11, 2024, 11:41:32 AM
What does “at the pins” mean?
Also in my learning, folks keep talking about how much Hp a tractor has. I get Hp, but how does that equate to lifting capacity/hydraulics.?
Post by: Rob on June 11, 2024, 12:03:48 PM
"At the Pins" refers to the pivot point where the forks attach to the front end loader (FEL). See red circle in the attached photo. Since you essentially have a lever with the forks, the further the load is from the pivot point, the more effort it takes to lift, and the less weight you can lift. I have seen forks that clamp inside the bucket and that is a low cost option for adding forks to a tractor, but it puts the load further away from the pivot creating a pretty decent lever.
My understanding on the relationship between HP and lifting capability is that more HP can run a bigger hydraulic system. The bigger Hydraulic system the more flow you have. The more flow you have (Gallons per minute), the more lift you get/the more power you can deliver to your implements.
My tractor has 13.7 GPM, but it is a hydrostatic drive transmission and some of that flow is used to power the transmission. I get 8.2 to the implement.
Post by: Rob on June 11, 2024, 12:08:23 PM
Post by: Knocker of rocks on June 11, 2024, 12:16:03 PM
8K is a tight budget. I second the tractor approach as you won't have issues with traction, and you can operate 2 implements at once. I would think something in the 40HP would give you close to 2K lifting power. I have an LS MT235HE. It is 35 HP and is Just shy of 1,700 at the pins. Turns on a dime and works in tight places though.
A neighbor has a skid-steer with a blower on it that bailed me out a couple times before I got the tractor. it had "summer tracks" on it and would get stuck on snow in a low spot. never took more than a small nudge to get it going again, but those tracks would just spin if it stopped in the wrong spot.
But 8K is a budget # you are going to keep hitting up against... 2-3 times that will get you a nice machine.
I just unloaded a truck full of lumber onto the forks on a pallet last weekend. I just dropped it in an out of the way place, and then when I am ready for it I will pick it up and move it to the job site. Pretty handy!
I have hundreds to probably thousands of hours running a RT forklift. And now I have clamp on forks for my tractor. Running forks on a tractor is a thousand times harder than with a forklift. Visibility is zero at ground level, and the turning point is opposite that of a forklift. But if that’s what you have, then you use it.
Different tools for different applications.
Post by: Rob on June 11, 2024, 12:23:04 PM
Post by: Jpmiller on June 11, 2024, 02:05:49 PM
Post by: NOCK NOCK on June 11, 2024, 05:01:02 PM
Post by: Rob on June 11, 2024, 05:22:55 PM
is moving logs onto your sawmill, it might be better to look at a grapple vs forks.
Take a look at some of the posts on this thread, it might give you ideas. There is a wealth of knowledge on Tractorbynet.
https://www.tractorbynet.com/forums/threads/tractors-and-wood-show-your-pics.303328/
Post by: Jpmiller on June 11, 2024, 07:31:35 PM
If one of the primary purposes
is moving logs onto your sawmill, it might be better to look at a grapple vs forks.
Take a look at some of the posts on this thread, it might give you ideas. There is a wealth of knowledge on Tractorbynet.
https://www.tractorbynet.com/forums/threads/tractors-and-wood-show-your-pics.303328/
I’ve used grapples and forks loading a sawmill, grapples do make it easier to load but forks make unloading so much easier. Being able to stack cut lumber on sawhorses at waist height and then fork them to wherever instead of moving everything by hand over and over is a game changer. There’s staging systems for logs if you’re nervous about loading with forks but you’ll figure it out if you start. Moving logs around the woods needs grapples all day, climbing and cutting and staging. Depending on how you’re getting your logs will doctorate some. Eventually you’ll end up with both I’m sure
Post by: bearpaw on June 13, 2024, 09:11:00 AM
There's a lift similar to what I bought on machinery trader. I use my lift in the yard and on my gravel driveway to unload units of lumber, pallets of feed, 2000# bags of grain, snowmobiles, etc. The wider tires get around much better than narrow hard rubber tires. You just need to avoid soft ground or deep pot holes, they can get stuck easy in those situations. I've even taken mine back into the forest behind my house but was very careful where I went. I did get stuck once back in the forest and used a piece of 3/4 plywood to get it back on top of ground and going again. If the area you will be operating your lift has softer soil a pair of ground pads might be convenient. Another option if you have room is a larger lift like used in a rural log/lumber yard, when my dad and his brothers had a small lumber sawmill they had a big lift they ran every day, it even got around in muddy spring conditions fairly well.
Ground Matt: https://www.myteeproducts.com/ground-protection-mats-black-8ft-l-diamond-plated-smooth-plate-tread-design.html
Used Fork Lift similar to what I have:
https://www.machinerytrader.com/listing/for-sale/231888049/caterpillar-v50b-pneumatic-tire-forklifts
Used lift not quite as big as my dad had in the log yard:
https://www.machinerytrader.com/listing/for-sale/234421273/1969-clark-it60-rough-terrain-forklifts
Be sure you get a lift that has good clearance, most of the hard rubber tired lifts are too low to the ground.
Post by: wadu1 on June 13, 2024, 09:16:56 AM
Post by: bearpaw on June 13, 2024, 10:07:42 AM
You may want to check out https://murphyauction.com/ (https://murphyauction.com/) they are having equipment auctions this weekend.
all sorts of interesting stuff listed there
Post by: Happy Gilmore on June 17, 2024, 10:31:20 PM
Some nice articulated ag tractors are made for Moving big bales but, your price point isn't friendly.
Maybe an old lumber yard big fork lift might fit the budget?
My 165 Ford TW 25 won't move around logs for crap. It's a big 4x4
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I contemplated buying this one but found the same make model as one of mine that wrapped out on me. Go look at it.
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