Post by: TriggerMike on August 01, 2024, 01:41:06 PM
NEWS RELEASE
Washington Department of Fish and Wildlife
Aug. 1, 2023
Media contact: Communications@dfw.wa.gov
First chronic wasting disease case confirmed in
Spokane County
SPOKANE- Washington’s first case of chronic wasting disease (CWD) has been confirmed in an adult female white-tailed deer that was found dead in the Fairwood area of north Spokane.
CWD is a transmissible spongiform encephalopathy (TSE) that infects members of the Cervidae ‘deer’ family and is fatal in infected deer. TSEs are caused by malformed proteins called prions. There is currently no cure for CWD, and it can only be confirmed through testing of lymph nodes or brain tissue. The lymph nodes of the deer that tested positive were submitted to the Washington Animal Disease Laboratory at Washington State University in July with a batch of other samples for testing.
CWD has been documented in wild or captive cervids in 34 other states and four Canadian provinces. WDFW has been testing for CWD in Washington since 1995. Efforts were increased starting in 2021 in eastern Washington due to proximity to known cases in western Montana at that time. WDFW has been preparing for the possibility of finding the disease in Washington and has a Chronic Wasting Disease Management Plan that guides how the Department will move forward with responding to this confirmation and managing the spread of CWD.
“With the spread of CWD across the country and recent detections in adjacent states and provinces, WDFW has proactively conducted surveillance in this area since 2021,” noted Eric Gardner, WDFW’s Wildlife Program Director. “We detected this case because of the surveillance program, and we are immediately reviewing our Management Plan and the circumstances of this detection. We will announce additional management actions soon.”
CWD can spread to other deer, elk, and moose and over time can reduce cervid populations if it becomes widespread. To understand more about this outbreak, WDFW staff are preparing to collect tissue samples from deer, elk, and moose within the initial response area. Members of the public can help by reporting cervids that appear sick and by not feeding wildlife. Feeding draws animals together where disease can spread quickly.
To date there are no confirmed cases of CWD transmission from wildlife to domestic animals or from cervids to other wild ungulate species. There is also no scientific evidence of CWD being transmitted from cervids to humans. Research conducted in 2022 and 2023 by National Institutes of Health (NIH) scientists supports this. According to the NIH website “A new study of prion diseases, using a human cerebral organoid model, suggests there is a substantial species barrier preventing transmission of chronic wasting disease (CWD) from cervids—deer, elk and moose—to people.”
To minimize risk, the United States Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) recommends against consuming meat from an animal that has tested positive for CWD. Hunters who harvest elk, deer, or moose in the affected area, or anyone who salvages a road-killed animal, can take additional steps to maximize food safety.
Testing of deer, elk, and moose will be critical this upcoming hunting season in order to detect additional cases and better understand the distribution and prevalence of the disease in Washington. Hunters will be notified about changes to testing and carcass transportation regulations as those details are developed. Information on how to have harvested animals tested, and more information on CWD is on the WDFW website.
WDFW is collaborating with landowners, land management agencies, state and local governments, tribal partners, and sportspeople and conservation groups in the affected area to respond to this disease and attempt to reduce its spread.
There are many details regarding this confirmed case of CWD that WDFW staff are working to address. The Department will hold a virtual media availability opportunity to provide information and answer questions on Monday, Aug. 5 from 12-12:30 p.m. To participate, email communications@dfw.wa.gov. A link to the Teams meeting will be provided to credentialed media via a return email. WDFW science and veterinary staff, along with Department of Health and Department of Agriculture staff, will provide a situation briefing and answer questions. The meeting will be recorded and provided to those who cannot attend.
The Washington Department of Fish and Wildlife works to preserve, protect, and perpetuate fish, wildlife and ecosystems while providing sustainable fish and wildlife recreational and commercial opportunities.
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Post by: 85yota on August 01, 2024, 07:44:25 PM
What are the odds that this leads to a bait ban, or an end to feed stations?
Thanks for bringing this up. It didn't cross my mind until now, and unfortunately I'm sure we will see some massive reactions, whether justified or not time will tell. I'm hoping some people here who are more qualified than me will speak on this topic to help educate members and put positive pressure on the game department however possible. I immediately was reminded of ted nugent speaking to Michigan counsel about this issue. Very worth the listen and if anyone has opinions on his take would love to hear it if we're now in the land of no return.
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Post by: kodiak06 on August 01, 2024, 11:03:28 PM
I blame Joe Biden
ROLL TIDE!
Post by: kodiak06 on August 01, 2024, 11:04:00 PM
What are the odds that this leads to a bait ban, or an end to feed stations?
I bet they discuss it...
Post by: dwils233 on August 01, 2024, 11:07:41 PM
What are the odds that this leads to a bait ban, or an end to feed stations?
I think that's a likelihood and not necessarily a bad thing, the devil though will be in the details. Statewide ban? overkill. Single GMU with a positive result- too little. the happy medium would be something in the middle- probably like a 1/3 or 1/4 of the state until more positive results come in.
I'd also imagine mandatory submission will become likely along a similar regional effort until we know if it's broken containment, as well as meat-care/boning out requirements.
Honestly- the Commission has never needed Kim Thorburn more than it will now- Her background was in public health and epidemiology (I think) she'd be the right person to have at the policymaking table to slow the spread with effective and intentional measures
Post by: dwils233 on August 01, 2024, 11:10:18 PM
Watch this closely, a recent talk with WDFW folks mentioned CWD could end consumptive use in WA. What ever tool it takes, others have mentioned recently that hunting was no longer needed for management
Haven't watch the video yet, but at least for some time hunters and hunting will be critical. Since you can only test post-mortem, they'll want tissue samples to track dispersal. Plenty of states have also tried to cull out herds when it presents in limited populations, new hotspots, etc- an effort reliant on hunters.
Post by: Special T on August 01, 2024, 11:17:41 PM
What are the odds that this leads to a bait ban, or an end to feed stations?The Washington State Archery Association Hunting VP stated that the commission has already tried to use this as justification to end it State wide. The best we can hope for is to present science that it doesn't help and isolate bans to geographic regions of the state.
Post by: PA BEN on August 02, 2024, 06:50:03 AM
Post by: screedler on August 02, 2024, 06:55:10 AM
I would like to know why my post on this CWD found north of Spokane was taken down? It was the first post on this subject and was posted before this one was started. Is HW turning into a good 0 boys club?
hasn't it always been one?
Post by: Rainier10 on August 02, 2024, 07:04:03 AM
I would like to know why my post on this CWD found north of Spokane was taken down? It was the first post on this subject and was posted before this one was started. Is HW turning into a good 0 boys club?@PA BEN
Look at post number one of this thread. It was posted at 1:41 pm yesterday. Post two is your post two hours after the first post on this topic. I merged the two topics and because you were second to post the story the first posting took priority.
No this place isn’t the good o boys club.
Post by: PA BEN on August 02, 2024, 07:12:01 AM
When I posted mine this one wasn't up. I looked, or I wouldn't have posted it. I also checked back and read comments on it and this one still wasn't up. This isn't the first time this has happened to a post of mine.I would like to know why my post on this CWD found north of Spokane was taken down? It was the first post on this subject and was posted before this one was started. Is HW turning into a good 0 boys club?@PA BEN
Look at post number one of this thread. It was posted at 1:41 pm yesterday. Post two is your post two hours after the first post on this topic. I merged the two topics and because you were second to post the story the first posting took priority.
No this place isn’t the good o boys club.
Post by: Boss .300 winmag on August 02, 2024, 07:14:10 AM
Post by: Rainier10 on August 02, 2024, 07:20:16 AM
I apologize for changing the title of the post. When I merged topics I should not have clicked change all post titles then it may have been easier for you to see who was replying to your link and who was replying to the OP’s post.
I assume the reason you didn’t see it was that it was originally posted on the virtual campfire not in deer hunting where you posted yours. I moved this thread to deer hunting and then merged them. I guess I could have moved yours to virtual campfire and then merged them there but it made more sense to me to compromise and move his to where you posted, deer hunting, and merge them under his title since he posted first.
Having two threads with the exact same story from king five in two different boards didn’t make any sense and gets confusing. Then we get complaints when someone posted in VC and clicks on your thread in deer hunting. “Why did you mods delete my post from the chronic wasting disease thread?” Uh we didn’t you are looking at the wrong thread.
We seriously can’t win sometimes.
Post by: Rainier10 on August 02, 2024, 07:22:19 AM
Post by: Dan-o on August 02, 2024, 07:43:05 AM
This is really bad news. 👎
I hope they can get a handle in it quickly.
This could really hammer us. :(
Post by: Rainier10 on August 02, 2024, 07:51:19 AM
It will be interesting to see how this plays out for sure. Our herds don’t need another blow that is for certain although nature does seem to always find a way to rebound.
Post by: Mtnwalker on August 02, 2024, 08:40:31 AM
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Post by: hunter399 on August 02, 2024, 09:02:57 AM
Are we dealing with patient zero,or patient 52,000.
We have one positive case,false positives happen in the medical world. Testing through this hunting season this year is critical.
To create a road map of infected areas.
East side deer are infected now. West side guys better stay home.
Lol😂🤣
No baiting
Choose East or West for deer coming soon.
Post by: boneaddict on August 02, 2024, 09:06:51 AM
Post by: hunter399 on August 02, 2024, 09:19:11 AM
STARTING NOW for the Eastside.
That's the only way to lockdown where it's at.
Then when you have infected areas recorded,then you can put other restrictions in play to slow the spread.
Post by: idahohuntr on August 02, 2024, 09:32:27 AM
I fully anticipate they will indeed use it as justification to modify all kinds of things. With regards to bait - I agree - they need to stick to science. To me, the most compelling arguments against some statewide bait ban:What are the odds that this leads to a bait ban, or an end to feed stations?The Washington State Archery Association Hunting VP stated that the commission has already tried to use this as justification to end it State wide. The best we can hope for is to present science that it doesn't help and isolate bans to geographic regions of the state.
-There is no evidence placing small, regulated quantities of bait (per WDFW Regs - 10 gal), during periods of relatively abundant food availability (fall hunting seasons, especially early fall) increases transmission of CWD
-Agricultural practices, winter feeding by WDFW, recreational feeding by non-hunters (where there are no quantity/seasonal limitations) and other actions all act to concentrate animals at far greater rates than baiting for hunting.
-Banning regulated/small quantity baiting is discriminatory against poor and minority user groups who do not have equitable access to wildlife. A baiting ban significantly reduces their access to wildlife and has no effect on large, wealthy landowners who can plant crops to attract and concentrate wildlife.
Post by: BULLBLASTER on August 02, 2024, 09:33:39 AM
But with vigilence i think the case can be made that it is not a death sentence for deer populations or hunting. There are places in the midwest that have had 20 years of cwd and are seeing increasing deer populations.
Post by: ducks4days on August 02, 2024, 09:39:00 AM
Post by: ganghis on August 02, 2024, 10:05:42 AM
-Mandatory testing of cervids in GMUs where it has been detected, and perhaps in surrounding GMUs
-Restrictions on baiting in affected GMUs (and perhaps surrounding)
-Restrictions on removing skulls/bones with brain/spinal fluid from the affected GMUs
Could have pretty big ramifications for any taxis in the affected areas too. In affected units without any/many taxis you'll probably have to be ready to do a skull cap or prep for a Euro yourself in the field.
Post by: hunter_sean08 on August 02, 2024, 12:00:57 PM
Post by: BULLBLASTER on August 02, 2024, 12:23:18 PM
If done right, CWD testing is pretty painless and a worthwhile practice to limit the spread of the disease as best as possible. When we harvested our deer in Colorado last year, they were not from a unit that required testing. That being said, it had been detected there in the past. For peace of mind, we opted to voluntarily have our deer tested at one of the CPW offices on our way home. Took a month to get results, but whatever. Felt good about doing it for sure. If we need to do something similar in WA, so be it..If it is offered i always get mine tested. Even if it costs a bit. Most states have free testing tho.
Post by: hunter399 on August 02, 2024, 01:31:53 PM
I guess I won't be posting any trail cam pics next year.
Don't wanna be that guy that's "spreading it." Even though there are salt blocks in every cattle field in the county.
I guess changes are coming,I'll finish up posting cam pics this year and be done. Honestly some spots I have been dumping salt for years. Deer will most likely show up for years without salt.
Post by: baldopepper on August 02, 2024, 01:42:36 PM
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Love this woman
Post by: rtspring on August 02, 2024, 03:12:26 PM
I would like to know why my post on this CWD found north of Spokane was taken down? It was the first post on this subject and was posted before this one was started. Is HW turning into a good 0 boys club?
Turning? These boys have a rtspring banquet dinner about every 3 months. When votes are counted I always lose. :stirthepot:
Post by: bearpaw on August 02, 2024, 04:13:14 PM
When I posted mine this one wasn't up. I looked, or I wouldn't have posted it. I also checked back and read comments on it and this one still wasn't up. This isn't the first time this has happened to a post of mine.I would like to know why my post on this CWD found north of Spokane was taken down? It was the first post on this subject and was posted before this one was started. Is HW turning into a good 0 boys club?@PA BEN
Look at post number one of this thread. It was posted at 1:41 pm yesterday. Post two is your post two hours after the first post on this topic. I merged the two topics and because you were second to post the story the first posting took priority.
No this place isn’t the good o boys club.
This has been the policy to merge identical topics since Ray ran the forum, its nothing new. All we do is click a "merge topics" button and two topics are combined and the system automatically puts posts in the timeline order that they were posted. Apparently when you checked you must have missed the other post. It's not a big deal, it's just sort of a public service that we do to prevent identical topics from cluttering the forum. Most importantly, no ill intentions are meant toward anyone.
Post by: Special T on August 02, 2024, 04:49:05 PM
I fully anticipate they will indeed use it as justification to modify all kinds of things. With regards to bait - I agree - they need to stick to science. To me, the most compelling arguments against some statewide bait ban:What are the odds that this leads to a bait ban, or an end to feed stations?The Washington State Archery Association Hunting VP stated that the commission has already tried to use this as justification to end it State wide. The best we can hope for is to present science that it doesn't help and isolate bans to geographic regions of the state.
-There is no evidence placing small, regulated quantities of bait (per WDFW Regs - 10 gal), during periods of relatively abundant food availability (fall hunting seasons, especially early fall) increases transmission of CWD
-Agricultural practices, winter feeding by WDFW, recreational feeding by non-hunters (where there are no quantity/seasonal limitations) and other actions all act to concentrate animals at far greater rates than baiting for hunting.
-Banning regulated/small quantity baiting is discriminatory against poor and minority user groups who do not have equitable access to wildlife. A baiting ban significantly reduces their access to wildlife and has no effect on large, wealthy landowners who can plant crops to attract and concentrate wildlife.
Lots of research on this topic has been done in the Midwest and south. From reading a bunch of it, it appears that this will spread even without bait. It moves like spotfires that grow down wind until saturated. Even in areas with little to no baiting.
Post by: stw on August 02, 2024, 05:26:47 PM
Idaho extended there there season longer in the unit the deer was shot in hundreds of deer were shot for testing not one deer tested positive for cwd but they find one in Washington dead on side of road i dont think so . Bull s##t it was hit by car or blue tongue.
Post by: CarbonHunter on August 02, 2024, 05:40:55 PM
Post by: dwils233 on August 02, 2024, 05:42:38 PM
The closes case was found on the east side of Idaho . And now they found a dead deer laying on the ground just in side of Spokane in less then 2 years. All lies i call bull to that.
Idaho extended there there season longer in the unit the deer was shot in hundreds of deer were shot for testing not one deer tested positive for cwd but they find one in Washington dead on side of road i dont think so . Bull s##t it was hit by car or blue tongue.
I've gotten to meet the lead CWD bio for WDFW a few times, I know she got her doctorate in Wyoming and CWD was her specific doctoral defense. I doubt she'd be BSing this- she was a straight shooter. And the progression west, including MT cases moving westerly, makes sense that we'd get it in Spokane area (or at least eastern Washington).
I'm curious what testing in North Idaho is like?
I don't see the upside to claiming a positive case unless there was one
Post by: Special T on August 02, 2024, 06:21:37 PM
Post by: ganghis on August 02, 2024, 06:41:00 PM
The closes case was found on the east side of Idaho . And now they found a dead deer laying on the ground just in side of Spokane in less then 2 years. All lies i call bull to that.
Idaho extended there there season longer in the unit the deer was shot in hundreds of deer were shot for testing not one deer tested positive for cwd but they find one in Washington dead on side of road i dont think so . Bull s##t it was hit by car or blue tongue.
You are clearly misinformed. The Elk City unit has it on the W side of Idaho. Had to do mandatory CWD testing there 2 years ago. Prevalence is still pretty low there but it's for sure there (like 10% for deer, 3 % for elk or something). And it's not right next to any other units that would have made sense for it to come to. The analogy to downwind spot fires just raised is a good one. As much as HW loves conspiracy theories, I hate to burst your bubble but this is probably 100% legit. I'll let the rest of you debate whether George Soros ordered the Trump hit ;)
Post by: baldopepper on August 02, 2024, 08:39:38 PM
Post by: Meathunter06 on August 03, 2024, 09:08:54 AM
Was just telling my wife about this. Her first response was....."you sure you trust that the state is telling the truth about this and that they aren't misrepresenting it to push their agenda?".Exactly! ever hear of covid if *censored*s are involved we'll have to start wearing masks to go hunting :yike:
Love this woman
Post by: Special T on August 03, 2024, 11:35:21 AM
Post by: baldopepper on August 03, 2024, 12:04:02 PM
Unfortunately agencies have done so much to loose trust that something like this isn't believed. Certain commissioners will certainly use this opportunity to hurt hunting, but that doesn't mean the identification of it here means it was a plant.
Using again what I saw in Utah, there was initially a lot of skepticism there also. Many hunters went out of their way to not have their deer tested, thinking some of the same thoughts I see here. By the time most realized it was a real thing it was too late for some units. Mostly effected were those units where the majority of the mule deer migrated for the winter into the same smaller winter feed area and were compacted for the winter months. I don't know what they'll do here, there is no simple solution yet. I do know that we'll all regret it if we don't do whatever we can to help stop its spread.
Post by: turkeyfeather on August 04, 2024, 08:37:25 AM
Unfortunately agencies have done so much to loose trust that something like this isn't believed. Certain commissioners will certainly use this opportunity to hurt hunting, but that doesn't mean the identification of it here means it was a plant.
Using again what I saw in Utah, there was initially a lot of skepticism there also. Many hunters went out of their way to not have their deer tested, thinking some of the same thoughts I see here. By the time most realized it was a real thing it was too late for some units. Mostly effected were those units where the majority of the mule deer migrated for the winter into the same smaller winter feed area and were compacted for the winter months. I don't know what they'll do here, there is no simple solution yet. I do know that we'll all regret it if we don't do whatever we can to help stop its spread.
And what is that? From what I have ascertained......there really isn't much you can do.
Post by: baldopepper on August 04, 2024, 08:56:40 AM
Bury the "they're out to get us" mentality that seems to take over a lot of the threads. As I stated, I don't know what they'll do here, I suspect mandatory testing and perhaps some restrictions in units if it's found. Some states have had luck containing it with hard restrictions on removing animals from an area where it's found. To start off with a they're just trying to screw us attitude so to heck with them, is not the way to go.Unfortunately agencies have done so much to loose trust that something like this isn't believed. Certain commissioners will certainly use this opportunity to hurt hunting, but that doesn't mean the identification of it here means it was a plant.
Using again what I saw in Utah, there was initially a lot of skepticism there also. Many hunters went out of their way to not have their deer tested, thinking some of the same thoughts I see here. By the time most realized it was a real thing it was too late for some units. Mostly effected were those units where the majority of the mule deer migrated for the winter into the same smaller winter feed area and were compacted for the winter months. I don't know what they'll do here, there is no simple solution yet. I do know that we'll all regret it if we don't do whatever we can to help stop its spread.
And what is that? From what I have ascertained......there really isn't much you can do.
Post by: Stein on August 04, 2024, 09:03:29 AM
There is no doubt some hunters are bringing bones and skulls back plus just natural deer movement. It all makes for an inevitable problem that no state has any answer for other than kill all the deer every time you have an outbreak.
Sure, we can not transport bones, but you can't tell the deer to not walk around. At best we can somewhat delay the inevitable.
Post by: bearpaw on August 04, 2024, 09:39:05 AM
The state did reduce deer numbers significantly using hunters as the tool to accomplish that goal. For several years they had what they called "earn a buck", for every doe you shot you got a buck tag, the program seemed to have worked, the deer population was reduced but not eliminated. Family and friends still report that they have pretty good hunting there.
Idaho immediately started a program in the area where they found CWD, by issuing additional deer tags to reduce the deer population. They are still being very proactive with that program.
I expect the same type of response here in WA, reduce the deer poplulation to try and prevent the spread of CWD. In much of northeast WA the deer population is already at low levels due to blue tongue a couple years ago, so the spread of CWD should not be as fast in most areas. However, Spokane county has a pretty high deer population due to so much private property and no hunting areas. If I was making decisions on how to prevent the spread of CWD in the Spokane area I would be most concerned about increasing hunting opportunities in the urban areas where deer numbers are too high and more likely to spread the disease, in these areas the deer population should be reduced the greatest and as soon as possible!
Post by: dwils233 on August 04, 2024, 11:22:14 AM
In much of northeast WA the deer population is already at low levels due to blue tongue a couple years ago, so the spread of CWD should not be as fast in most areas.
I agree that our populations out here are low, and it seems that frequent droughts have kept them low- Our blue tongue cycles seem to be coming every three years, in the past they seemed more spread out to allow herd repopulation.
I also think that the same thing that conditions that cause blue tongue transmission (congregating around smaller water sources), would also be where CWD transmission would occur- in other words, if this year is a bad blue tongue year, it'll also be a year which increased risk of CWD spreading. Double whammy for an already diminished population
Post by: hunter399 on August 04, 2024, 12:51:25 PM
:yeah:
In much of northeast WA the deer population is already at low levels due to blue tongue a couple years ago, so the spread of CWD should not be as fast in most areas.
I agree that our populations out here are low, and it seems that frequent droughts have kept them low- Our blue tongue cycles seem to be coming every three years, in the past they seemed more spread out to allow herd repopulation.
I also think that the same thing that conditions that cause blue tongue transmission (congregating around smaller water sources), would also be where CWD transmission would occur- in other words, if this year is a bad blue tongue year, it'll also be a year which increased risk of CWD spreading. Double whammy for an already diminished population
I agree with both statements.
The problem is our biologist will not agree. Will say our deer/elk/moose population are at normal levels.
Our commission/WDFW have had plenty of opportunities to increase population of these herds. Through many proposals and petitions that have been brought in front of them.
Until I see multiple cases ,I'm not even gonna blink an eye.
I drive 395 daily for work ,every day there is new road kill that they can test. No excuse to drag there feet.
Post by: Stein on August 04, 2024, 01:21:40 PM
I have quite a few family and friends who live in Wisconsin, a state where CWD has a strong foothold, getting CWD hasn't been the end of deer hunting for WI.
The state did reduce deer numbers significantly using hunters as the tool to accomplish that goal. For several years they had what they called "earn a buck", for every doe you shot you got a buck tag, the program seemed to have worked, the deer population was reduced but not eliminated. Family and friends still report that they have pretty good hunting there.
Idaho immediately started a program in the area where they found CWD, by issuing additional deer tags to reduce the deer population. They are still being very proactive with that program.
I expect the same type of response here in WA, reduce the deer poplulation to try and prevent the spread of CWD. In much of northeast WA the deer population is already at low levels due to blue tongue a couple years ago, so the spread of CWD should not be as fast in most areas. However, Spokane county has a pretty high deer population due to so much private property and no hunting areas. If I was making decisions on how to prevent the spread of CWD in the Spokane area I would be most concerned about increasing hunting opportunities in the urban areas where deer numbers are too high and more likely to spread the disease, in these areas the deer population should be reduced the greatest and as soon as possible!
Do you think the current commission will approve that strategy, assuming WDFW would propose it? It seems to be more of a shut down hunting and let nature take care of itself leaning.
Post by: bearpaw on August 04, 2024, 03:32:24 PM
I have quite a few family and friends who live in Wisconsin, a state where CWD has a strong foothold, getting CWD hasn't been the end of deer hunting for WI.
The state did reduce deer numbers significantly using hunters as the tool to accomplish that goal. For several years they had what they called "earn a buck", for every doe you shot you got a buck tag, the program seemed to have worked, the deer population was reduced but not eliminated. Family and friends still report that they have pretty good hunting there.
Idaho immediately started a program in the area where they found CWD, by issuing additional deer tags to reduce the deer population. They are still being very proactive with that program.
I expect the same type of response here in WA, reduce the deer poplulation to try and prevent the spread of CWD. In much of northeast WA the deer population is already at low levels due to blue tongue a couple years ago, so the spread of CWD should not be as fast in most areas. However, Spokane county has a pretty high deer population due to so much private property and no hunting areas. If I was making decisions on how to prevent the spread of CWD in the Spokane area I would be most concerned about increasing hunting opportunities in the urban areas where deer numbers are too high and more likely to spread the disease, in these areas the deer population should be reduced the greatest and as soon as possible!
Do you think the current commission will approve that strategy, assuming WDFW would propose it? It seems to be more of a shut down hunting and let nature take care of itself leaning.
I think that's what the WDFW will recommend and also what a normal commission would decide to do. I have no idea how the anti-hunting WA Wildlife Commission will act? They might use CWD as an excuse to reduce hunting, even though every other state has increased hunting to fight the disease, these fake commissioners might use any reason to reduce hunting opportunities?
The fake Washington Wildlife Commission is literally the hunter's worst enemy in WA state!
Post by: Tphill41 on August 21, 2024, 07:38:52 PM
Post by: pat2bear on August 23, 2024, 10:13:43 AM
Post by: TriggerMike on August 23, 2024, 10:26:54 AM
Washington Department of Fish and Wildlife
Aug. 23, 2024
Media contact: Staci Lehman, 509-710-4511
WDFW files emergency rules to help prevent the spread of chronic wasting disease
SPOKANE – Following confirmation of a case of chronic wasting disease (CWD) in Spokane County in late July, the Washington Department of Fish and Wildlife (WDFW) has filed multiple emergency rules to help prevent the spread of the disease across the state. CWD is a fatal illness of deer, elk, moose, and caribou. The disease is caused by mutated proteins known as prions, which can contaminate the environment and be transmitted between animals through their feces, saliva, and urine. Most animals with CWD appear normal until the end stages of the disease. It can only be detected through testing of lymph nodes or brain tissue. It is important to prevent a widespread outbreak of CWD in Washington to protect wildlife populations.
The following emergency rule changes relate to CWD. These are summaries of the changes; for the full text of each emergency rule visit WDFW’s Emergency rule change web page.
Baiting – Effective Sept. 1, 2024, in game management units (GMUs) 124, 127, and 130 it is unlawful to hunt for deer, elk, and moose using any type of bait placed, exposed, deposited, distributed, scattered, or otherwise used for the purpose of attracting deer, elk, or moose with the intent to hunt them; or natural or synthetic scents that contain or are derived from cervid urine and glandular extracts. Transport restrictions of dead wildlife – Effective Aug. 23, 2024, it is illegal to transport deer, elk, or moose, or parts thereof, taken from within the 100 series GMUs in areas that require a Washington state hunting license, to other areas of Washington state. This excludes meat that has been deboned in the state or province where it was harvested and is imported as boned-out meat, or meat that has been deboned within 100 series GMUs and is transported as boned-out meat to other areas of the state.
Mandatory CWD testing for salvaged deer and elk – As of Aug. 23, 2024, anyone who salvages a deer or elk in the CWD initial response area (IRA) of GMUs 124, 127, and 130 must submit the whole head with at least three inches of the neck attached, or extracted retropharyngeal lymph nodes at the base of the skull to WDFW for chronic wasting disease sampling within three days of receiving a salvage permit. Mandatory reporting of hunting activity – Effective Sept.1, 2024, successful deer, elk, and moose hunters in GMUs 124, 127, and 130 are required to submit the whole head of a harvested animal with at least three inches of the neck attached or extracted retropharyngeal lymph nodes to WDFW for CWD sampling within three days of harvesting.
Information on how to have hunter-harvested or salvaged deer, elk, or moose tested is on WDFW’s CWD web page. There is also information on WDFW’s Chronic Wasting Disease Management Plan.
The Department will propose similar permanent rules for the Washington Fish and Wildlife Commission to consider soon.
The Washington Department of Fish and Wildlife works to preserve, protect, and perpetuate fish, wildlife and ecosystems while providing sustainable fish, wildlife, and recreational and commercial opportunities.
Post by: baldopepper on August 23, 2024, 10:43:15 AM
Post by: ducks4days on August 23, 2024, 11:32:30 AM
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Hello,
Washington’s first case of chronic wasting disease (CWD) has been confirmed in north Spokane County, in Game Management Unit (GMU) 124 (see map below). CWD is a fatal illness of cervids, which include deer, elk, and moose in Washington. The disease is caused by mutated proteins known as prions, which can contaminate the environment and be transmitted between animals through feces, saliva, urine, and other bodily fluids. Most animals with CWD appear normal until the end stages of the disease when they show signs of weight loss, lethargy, excessive salivation and urination, and loss of fear of people. There is no cure for CWD and an outbreak of it in Washington could severely reduce cervid population numbers, impact hunting, and communities that rely on hunting revenue.
As someone who has salvaged wild game in the past, the Washington Department of Fish and Wildlife (WDFW) wants to inform you that there are no restrictions on salvaging deer and elk at this time but under new emergency rules that go into effect August 22, 2024, you are now required to have any deer or elk salvaged from the CWD initial response area (IRA), consisting of game management units (GMUs) 124, 127, and 130, tested for CWD. WDFW encourages everyone who salvages deer and elk to submit a sample for testing, even if outside of the IRA, as it helps the CWD surveillance program to detect the disease in other locations.
Salvagers in these GMUs must submit the whole head from a salvaged animal with at least three inches of the neck attached, or extracted lymph nodes, to WDFW for CWD sampling within three days of receiving a salvage permit.
More information on this new requirement and other rule changes that resulted from the confirmation of chronic wasting disease in Washington can be found on the WDFW Emergency Rule Change web page. Information on chronic wasting disease and other efforts to prevent its’ spread can be found on WDFW’s CWD web page.
Your help in slowing the spread of CWD throughout Washington is appreciated.
Post by: ganghis on August 23, 2024, 12:35:56 PM
https://idfg.idaho.gov/sites/default/files/lymph-node-sample-collectoin.jpg
Post by: Brushcrawler on August 23, 2024, 01:59:37 PM
Post by: kodiak06 on August 23, 2024, 02:36:54 PM
Looks like there is no exception for cleaned skulls only deboned meat?
Rule remained the same
Post by: boneaddict on August 24, 2024, 11:36:45 AM
Post by: baldopepper on August 24, 2024, 12:37:32 PM
Post by: nwwanderer on August 24, 2024, 03:03:45 PM
Post by: Special T on August 24, 2024, 03:47:02 PM
WDFW need to include skin sample testing to verify its effectiveness. Get the feds on board with the skin test so whole heads need not be collected. A one gram ear sample has been shown to give more accurate tests than brain/node tests at a fraction of the cost. The research is only a couple years old, get it accepted. Non invasive testing on live deer is also possible with this method.Can you cite that study on the sampling?
Post by: nwwanderer on August 24, 2024, 04:39:42 PM
Post by: addicted1 on August 24, 2024, 06:52:32 PM
So no skull plates???
Skull plates should be fine due to antler restriction areas over there.
“Big game taken in antler or horn restriction areas: The head or skull plate, with both horns or both antlers naturally attached, must accompany the carcass while in transit or in possession.”
I assume they’ll clarify to meet the out of state transport requirements, which allows transport with restrictions.
Post by: baldopepper on August 24, 2024, 07:11:21 PM
So no skull plates???
Skull plates should be fine due to antler restriction areas over there.
“Big game taken in antler or horn restriction areas: The head or skull plate, with both horns or both antlers naturally attached, must accompany the carcass while in transit or in possession.”
I assume they’ll clarify to meet the out of state transport requirements, which allows transport with restrictions.
Very clearly states only deboned meat can be transported. Pretty sure this precludes skull plates. This regulation supercedes any previous regulations.
Post by: Tbar on August 24, 2024, 07:13:15 PM
National Library of Medicine 10.371/0274531Do you have a link? Your reference doesn't show anything on CWD. It's been my understanding that there is not a live test. Seems like this will be headline news. :dunno:
Post by: baldopepper on August 24, 2024, 07:23:33 PM
National Library of Medicine 10.371/0274531Do you have a link? Your reference doesn't show anything on CWD. It's been my understanding that there is not a live test. Seems like this will be headline news. :dunno:
Search under cwd skin test. Fairly extensive info on it.
Post by: Tbar on August 24, 2024, 08:03:10 PM
Thank you, haven't read it yet but found it.National Library of Medicine 10.371/0274531Do you have a link? Your reference doesn't show anything on CWD. It's been my understanding that there is not a live test. Seems like this will be headline news. :dunno:
Search under cwd skin test. Fairly extensive info on it.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC9668146/
Post by: fishngamereaper on August 24, 2024, 08:19:46 PM
Hanging to age works better bone in... :(
Post by: addicted1 on August 24, 2024, 08:41:20 PM
So no skull plates???
Skull plates should be fine due to antler restriction areas over there.
“Big game taken in antler or horn restriction areas: The head or skull plate, with both horns or both antlers naturally attached, must accompany the carcass while in transit or in possession.”
I assume they’ll clarify to meet the out of state transport requirements, which allows transport with restrictions.
Very clearly states only deboned meat can be transported. Pretty sure this precludes skull plates. This regulation supercedes any previous regulations.
I am fairly confident that will not be the case, skull plates minus brain matter and spinal should be okay. It has been for out of state transport, should be good for in state.
Post by: hunter399 on August 24, 2024, 08:47:47 PM
Post by: addicted1 on August 24, 2024, 08:53:08 PM
https://wdfw.wa.gov/species-habitats/diseases/chronic-wasting/surveillance-program
Well that solves it
Post by: baldopepper on August 24, 2024, 09:22:14 PM
Post by: Rutnbuxnbulls on August 25, 2024, 07:24:04 AM
Obviously going to need some clarification, but again this is an emergency rule change dated August 23 that supercedes any previous rules including those in the printed regulations. It is very clear that nothing but deboned meat can be transported from the 100 units. Hopefully they'll be some clarification,but as it stands now it is very clear. Unfortunately skull plates and antlers don't qualify as deboned meat.I found this simple explanation of legal items that may be moved out of the 100 units or transported from another state/country. (See Attachment) I read this as Skull Plates are legal to take as long as there’s no soft tissue.
What I’m wondering as a meat hunter is this: if I kill a buck or bull and send the head to the state for testing, how long does it take them to get back to me with the test results? Does anyone have experience with this process? Also, if I want to have a butcher process the elk, do you have them hang it and only process once you get a negative test? Does anyone have experience with the butcher regarding meat processing with regards to CWD precautions? Thanks!
Post by: HawkCreek on August 25, 2024, 12:02:39 PM
Obviously going to need some clarification, but again this is an emergency rule change dated August 23 that supercedes any previous rules including those in the printed regulations. It is very clear that nothing but deboned meat can be transported from the 100 units. Hopefully they'll be some clarification,but as it stands now it is very clear. Unfortunately skull plates and antlers don't qualify as deboned meat.I found this simple explanation of legal items that may be moved out of the 100 units or transported from another state/country. (See Attachment) I read this as Skull Plates are legal to take as long as there’s no soft tissue.
What I’m wondering as a meat hunter is this: if I kill a buck or bull and send the head to the state for testing, how long does it take them to get back to me with the test results? Does anyone have experience with this process? Also, if I want to have a butcher process the elk, do you have them hang it and only process once you get a negative test? Does anyone have experience with the butcher regarding meat processing with regards to CWD precautions? Thanks!
I can't help with most of your questions. I do know it takes 4 to 6 weeks to get CWD test results back. They are hoping that with more samples coming in they will have faster results but it's still not going to be quick.
Post by: baldopepper on August 25, 2024, 12:17:25 PM
Post by: Rutnbuxnbulls on August 25, 2024, 03:19:11 PM
Went thru a checking station in Utah a few years back. They simply took a sample and sent you in your way. Almost 3 months later they notified my brother that his was positive. They came to his home and picked up the remaining meat, but by then his family had eaten quite a bit. While there is no evidence it transfers to humans, made him a little nervous and his wife very nervous. Hope they can get results back quicker than that here, but will you be eating any until you do get resultsback?
My wife and I will wait until test results are negative before eating. But my freezer is low this time of year and beef prices still high. I’d rather be a bit cautious.
I guess I’ll talk to my butcher and see what he’s gonna do. My issue is storage: an elk is too much for me to store while awaiting results. Deer I can manage. May have to get elk processed, if I tag out, and wait for results. Toss meat and $$$ if positive results. I don’t know.
Post by: Bob33 on August 25, 2024, 03:54:10 PM
There hasn’t been a documented case of transmission to humans.
Is there a risk? Of course, but what food doesn’t have risks. You can get E.coli from your lettuce. Eat too much fat and you risk heart disease, unless you believe eating fat is good and eating carbohydrates are bad. The water you drink has plastic particles. Too much sugar and you will get diabetes. Eating too many highly processed foods can lead to obesity which is a health risk of greater magnitude.
I most likely would take my chances.
Post by: follow maggie on August 25, 2024, 04:14:01 PM
Does anybody know why it takes so long? My last deer here in North Dakota I got my results in 8-9 daysObviously going to need some clarification, but again this is an emergency rule change dated August 23 that supercedes any previous rules including those in the printed regulations. It is very clear that nothing but deboned meat can be transported from the 100 units. Hopefully they'll be some clarification,but as it stands now it is very clear. Unfortunately skull plates and antlers don't qualify as deboned meat.I found this simple explanation of legal items that may be moved out of the 100 units or transported from another state/country. (See Attachment) I read this as Skull Plates are legal to take as long as there’s no soft tissue.
What I’m wondering as a meat hunter is this: if I kill a buck or bull and send the head to the state for testing, how long does it take them to get back to me with the test results? Does anyone have experience with this process? Also, if I want to have a butcher process the elk, do you have them hang it and only process once you get a negative test? Does anyone have experience with the butcher regarding meat processing with regards to CWD precautions? Thanks!
I can't help with most of your questions. I do know it takes 4 to 6 weeks to get CWD test results back. They are hoping that with more samples coming in they will have faster results but it's still not going to be quick.
Post by: TriggerMike on August 25, 2024, 04:51:59 PM
Post by: Rutnbuxnbulls on August 25, 2024, 06:35:37 PM
If I killed an animal that looked healthy, and I only found out later it tested positive for CWD I would probably eat the meat anyway.If you found out later that the animal was positive for CWD and you fed yourself and family, but had 1/2 meat remaining, would you finish the meat or toss it? Just curious. It really would be something to get an instant field test for us hunters. Place a test kit on their tongue and boom! Cut meat or cut out of there!
There hasn’t been a documented case of transmission to humans.
Is there a risk? Of course, but what food doesn’t have risks. You can get E.coli from your lettuce. Eat too much fat and you risk heart disease, unless you believe eating fat is good and eating carbohydrates are bad. The water you drink has plastic particles. Too much sugar and you will get diabetes. Eating too many highly processed foods can lead to obesity which is a health risk of greater magnitude.
I most likely would take my chances.
Post by: follow maggie on August 25, 2024, 06:43:56 PM
Post by: bearpaw on August 25, 2024, 06:58:43 PM
So if you drew a bull moose tag in the NE corner this year then you're supposed to just leave the head and antlers? Ya right...
You just need to bone the meat then skin and clean the skull plate before you leave the area.
It's not that hard, we have done dozens of elk and deer in Utah on the spot so hunters can take their meat and trophies home.
https://wdfw.wa.gov/species-habitats/diseases/chronic-wasting/surveillance-program#prevent
To reduce the risk of spreading CWD, if you harvest or salvage deer, elk, moose, or caribou in another state, province, or country, regardless of whether or not CWD is known to be present there, or within the 100 series GMUs, only the following items may be imported to Washington and to areas outside of the 100 series GMUs:
- Meat that has been de-boned in the state or province where it was harvested and is imported as boned-out meat
- Skulls and antlers (with velvet removed), antlers attached to the skull plate, or upper canine teeth (bugler, whistlers, ivories) from which all soft tissue has been removed
- Hides or capes without heads attached
- Tissue imported for use by a diagnostic or research laboratory
- Finished taxidermy mounts
Post by: Bob33 on August 25, 2024, 09:57:13 PM
Dale, I don't see how it would be legal to take a cleaned skull. The only part that can be taken is boned out meat as I read it.So if you drew a bull moose tag in the NE corner this year then you're supposed to just leave the head and antlers? Ya right...
You just need to bone the meat then skin and clean the skull before you leave the area.
It's not that hard, we have done dozens of elk and deer in Utah on the spot so hunters can take their meat and trophies home.
https://wdfw.wa.gov/species-habitats/diseases/chronic-wasting/surveillance-program#prevent
To reduce the risk of spreading CWD, if you harvest or salvage deer, elk, moose, or caribou in another state, province, or country, regardless of whether or not CWD is known to be present there, or within the 100 series GMUs, only the following items may be imported to Washington and to areas outside of the 100 series GMUs:
- Meat that has been de-boned in the state or province where it was harvested and is imported as boned-out meat
- Skulls and antlers (with velvet removed), antlers attached to the skull plate, or upper canine teeth (bugler, whistlers, ivories) from which all soft tissue has been removed
- Hides or capes without heads attached
- Tissue imported for use by a diagnostic or research laboratory
- Finished taxidermy mounts
"Effective Aug. 23, 2024, it is illegal to transport deer, elk, or moose, or parts thereof, taken from within the 100 series GMUs in areas that require a Washington state hunting license, to other areas of Washington state. This excludes meat that has been deboned in the state or province where it was harvested and is imported as boned-out meat, or meat that has been deboned within 100 series GMUs and is transported as boned-out meat to other areas of the state."
Post by: bearpaw on August 25, 2024, 09:59:22 PM
Dale, I don't see how it would be legal to take a cleaned skull. The only part that can be taken is boned out meat as I read it.So if you drew a bull moose tag in the NE corner this year then you're supposed to just leave the head and antlers? Ya right...
You just need to bone the meat then skin and clean the skull plate before you leave the area.
It's not that hard, we have done dozens of elk and deer in Utah on the spot so hunters can take their meat and trophies home.
https://wdfw.wa.gov/species-habitats/diseases/chronic-wasting/surveillance-program#prevent
To reduce the risk of spreading CWD, if you harvest or salvage deer, elk, moose, or caribou in another state, province, or country, regardless of whether or not CWD is known to be present there, or within the 100 series GMUs, only the following items may be imported to Washington and to areas outside of the 100 series GMUs:
- Meat that has been de-boned in the state or province where it was harvested and is imported as boned-out meat
- Skulls and antlers (with velvet removed), antlers attached to the skull plate, or upper canine teeth (bugler, whistlers, ivories) from which all soft tissue has been removed
- Hides or capes without heads attached
- Tissue imported for use by a diagnostic or research laboratory
- Finished taxidermy mounts
"Effective Aug. 23, 2024, it is illegal to transport deer, elk, or moose, or parts thereof, taken from within the 100 series GMUs in areas that require a Washington state hunting license, to other areas of Washington state. This excludes meat that has been deboned in the state or province where it was harvested and is imported as boned-out meat, or meat that has been deboned within 100 series GMUs and is transported as boned-out meat to other areas of the state."
Thank you, you are correct, I meant to say skull plate.
Post by: High Climber on August 25, 2024, 10:17:14 PM
Gents Dale had it right the first time. You can bring a skull as long as all soft tissue has been removed. :tup:Dale, I don't see how it would be legal to take a cleaned skull. The only part that can be taken is boned out meat as I read it.So if you drew a bull moose tag in the NE corner this year then you're supposed to just leave the head and antlers? Ya right...
You just need to bone the meat then skin and clean the skull plate before you leave the area.
It's not that hard, we have done dozens of elk and deer in Utah on the spot so hunters can take their meat and trophies home.
https://wdfw.wa.gov/species-habitats/diseases/chronic-wasting/surveillance-program#prevent
To reduce the risk of spreading CWD, if you harvest or salvage deer, elk, moose, or caribou in another state, province, or country, regardless of whether or not CWD is known to be present there, or within the 100 series GMUs, only the following items may be imported to Washington and to areas outside of the 100 series GMUs:
- Meat that has been de-boned in the state or province where it was harvested and is imported as boned-out meat
- Skulls and antlers (with velvet removed), antlers attached to the skull plate, or upper canine teeth (bugler, whistlers, ivories) from which all soft tissue has been removed
- Hides or capes without heads attached
- Tissue imported for use by a diagnostic or research laboratory
- Finished taxidermy mounts
"Effective Aug. 23, 2024, it is illegal to transport deer, elk, or moose, or parts thereof, taken from within the 100 series GMUs in areas that require a Washington state hunting license, to other areas of Washington state. This excludes meat that has been deboned in the state or province where it was harvested and is imported as boned-out meat, or meat that has been deboned within 100 series GMUs and is transported as boned-out meat to other areas of the state."
Thank you, you are correct, I meant to say skull plate.
Post by: High Climber on August 25, 2024, 10:19:30 PM
Post by: 6haase6 on August 25, 2024, 10:31:36 PM
Also plenty of taxidermist in the region.So if you drew a bull moose tag in the NE corner this year then you're supposed to just leave the head and antlers? Ya right...
You just need to bone the meat then skin and clean the skull plate before you leave the area.
It's not that hard, we have done dozens of elk and deer in Utah on the spot so hunters can take their meat and trophies home.
https://wdfw.wa.gov/species-habitats/diseases/chronic-wasting/surveillance-program#prevent
To reduce the risk of spreading CWD, if you harvest or salvage deer, elk, moose, or caribou in another state, province, or country, regardless of whether or not CWD is known to be present there, or within the 100 series GMUs, only the following items may be imported to Washington and to areas outside of the 100 series GMUs:
- Meat that has been de-boned in the state or province where it was harvested and is imported as boned-out meat
- Skulls and antlers (with velvet removed), antlers attached to the skull plate, or upper canine teeth (bugler, whistlers, ivories) from which all soft tissue has been removed
- Hides or capes without heads attached
- Tissue imported for use by a diagnostic or research laboratory
- Finished taxidermy mounts
Post by: TriggerMike on August 25, 2024, 10:55:30 PM
.I believe the emergency rule from August 23rd supercedes what is currently on that page. I expect that page will eventually change. As the rule is currently written now, you're only allowed to remove deboned meat from those units, at least until/if they clarify it to allow antlers to be moved, which I doubt they will because they don't trust WA hunters to not spread the brain matter around the state. My comment was mostly in jest because I can't imagine people caring enough about this rule to not bring their antlers home, especially obviously on a OIL hunt. The only thing that has been constant about CWD in North America so far is you can't stop the spread. Sacrificing the antlers from your OIL tag for something that is likely inevitable seems crazy to me.
The thing about CWD is it can live on something like your knife blade for a very long time, even if you clean it. You can shoot a white tail in mid October in the NE corner, field dress that animal and take nothing but the deboned meat home and then go elk hunting on the Westside in early November and kill an elk and be spreading any potential CWD prions from that knife all over that GMU. Or any prions that may have gotten picked up in the tread of your boots from walking on infected soil, that will get all over your yard or anywhere else you walk, such as another GMU. Soil can stay infected for as long as two years, even decades in some studies. We are well past the point of wasting money on surveillance, they need to invest all future money into curing the disease in ungulates while they're still alive and making sure it can't jump to humans.
Post by: High Climber on August 26, 2024, 08:18:11 AM
Post by: baldopepper on August 26, 2024, 08:56:28 AM
Not trying to play “gotcha” here, but I think it’s still ok to transport clean skulls. This is from the August 23rd rule, maybe they just added this in but as it stands now looks like a guy can bring his heads home. :tup:
The confusing thing, is that rcw pertains to out of state transports coming into Washington. It doesn't seem to pertain to intra state transport as outlined in the emergency ruling. Obviously we need some clarification from wdfw.
Post by: 6haase6 on August 26, 2024, 09:01:32 AM
Post by: baldopepper on August 26, 2024, 11:53:59 AM
Post by: 6haase6 on August 26, 2024, 12:25:21 PM
Pretty much treat region 1 like it is not part of idaho.Meant now instead of not :bash:
Post by: GOcougsHunter on August 26, 2024, 12:30:41 PM
Post by: baldopepper on August 26, 2024, 12:58:11 PM
So, I am assuming that it is ok to transport everything within the 100 series units. Like moving a harvested elk from the Blues to Spokane even with bones in.
Well, I'd think that would be ok, but personally I'd ask first. Maybe that will be part of the clarification they will be releasing. Lady I talked to when I called seemed quite knowledgeable on it, was very pleasant to talk to and said if any further questions don't hesitate to call. Not sure how forgiving they're gonna be on infractions so better to not just guess about what you can or can't do
Post by: andersonjk4 on August 29, 2024, 08:25:09 PM
Post by: dilleytech on August 30, 2024, 07:50:28 AM
1. The transport rule applies to every unit that starts with 1?
2. If I kill a buck on the boarder of two units no one’s going to take my deer if I drag it over the line to my truck to bone it out..
3. Apparently now I have to bring my pot and burner to boil the skull on site since I’m a European mount guy…
What a pain in the butt. I for one have no interest in getting a deer tested it doesn’t matter to me either way I’m eating the deer.
Post by: baldopepper on August 30, 2024, 09:11:04 AM
What a bummer. If I kill a buck mid November on my west foothills blues white tail buck tag 3 hrs from home I now have to abide by all this or risk the penalties. The greatest thing about killing animals in November is how you can hang the deer or quarters bone in outside for a few days. so as I see it right now.
1. The transport rule applies to every unit that starts with 1?
2. If I kill a buck on the boarder of two units no one’s going to take my deer if I drag it over the line to my truck to bone it out..
3. Apparently now I have to bring my pot and burner to boil the skull on site since I’m a European mount guy…
What a pain in the butt. I for one have no interest in getting a deer tested it doesn’t matter to me either way I’m eating the deer.
The real bummer with this stuff is when you go to your old hunting spot and there are no deer. I can't emphasize enough that this stuff is no joke. I've seen what it can do to a deer herd. It might be a bummer, but if we don't cooperate any way we can to stop its spread we're fools. Personally wouldn't object to seeing anyone flaunting the regulations loose their hunting privileges for a couple of years
Post by: dilleytech on August 30, 2024, 09:36:26 AM
What a bummer. If I kill a buck mid November on my west foothills blues white tail buck tag 3 hrs from home I now have to abide by all this or risk the penalties. The greatest thing about killing animals in November is how you can hang the deer or quarters bone in outside for a few days. so as I see it right now.
1. The transport rule applies to every unit that starts with 1?
2. If I kill a buck on the boarder of two units no one’s going to take my deer if I drag it over the line to my truck to bone it out..
3. Apparently now I have to bring my pot and burner to boil the skull on site since I’m a European mount guy…
What a pain in the butt. I for one have no interest in getting a deer tested it doesn’t matter to me either way I’m eating the deer.
The real bummer with this stuff is when you go to your old hunting spot and there are no deer. I can't emphasize enough that this stuff is no joke. I've seen what it can do to a deer herd. It might be a bummer, but if we don't cooperate any way we can to stop its spread we're fools. Personally wouldn't object to seeing anyone flaunting the regulations loose their hunting privileges for a couple of years
There is no stopping the spread. Just living with it. I have heard of natural immunity to CWD becoming a thing and they are actually talking about selectively breeding deer to help fight it. Blue tongue and hard winters is a lot more concerning to me.
Post by: bearpaw on August 30, 2024, 10:53:38 AM
So, I am assuming that it is ok to transport everything within the 100 series units. Like moving a harvested elk from the Blues to Spokane even with bones in.
Well, I'd think that would be ok, but personally I'd ask first. Maybe that will be part of the clarification they will be releasing. Lady I talked to when I called seemed quite knowledgeable on it, was very pleasant to talk to and said if any further questions don't hesitate to call. Not sure how forgiving they're gonna be on infractions so better to not just guess about what you can or can't do
It would seem best to treat the GMU's with known CWD cases as a different state, so we aren't moving deer from infected GMU's to uninfected GMU's. I look forward to seeing their revised policy.
Post by: hunter399 on August 30, 2024, 11:07:29 AM
They said it was a very low percentage of folks hunt both sides of the state.
So in theory,should be a low percentage chance of CWD hitting the Westside .
Unless there hunter reports are inaccurate,a lot more hunters than they are aware of hunt East/West.
They also could of used the East/West option for certain rules to apply for different hunters.
I have a feeling CWD will spread across the entire state, WDFW is just not proactive enough to slow this down. They have let out herds dip so low over the years. That they can't offer extra tags to pin point the disease. Get it under control.
Idaho is harvesting deer and testing as we speak.
Post by: dwils233 on August 30, 2024, 01:37:26 PM
What a bummer. If I kill a buck mid November on my west foothills blues white tail buck tag 3 hrs from home I now have to abide by all this or risk the penalties. The greatest thing about killing animals in November is how you can hang the deer or quarters bone in outside for a few days. so as I see it right now.
1. The transport rule applies to every unit that starts with 1?
2. If I kill a buck on the boarder of two units no one’s going to take my deer if I drag it over the line to my truck to bone it out..
3. Apparently now I have to bring my pot and burner to boil the skull on site since I’m a European mount guy…
What a pain in the butt. I for one have no interest in getting a deer tested it doesn’t matter to me either way I’m eating the deer.
Blue tongue and hard winters is a lot more concerning to me.
At least for me, the concern is always compunding impacts Deer can bounce back from any one thing- usually given time and frequency. But we are seeing blue tongue on fast intervals, harder winters/drier springs, more habitat fragmentation, less CRP, and now CWD. As our herds face more frequent challenges on faster intervals, their overall resilience diminishes and I see CWD a significant, cumulative threat. We can't stop hard winters, but we can slow CWD to give us time for other solutions and mitigation protocols to be effective
Post by: dwils233 on August 30, 2024, 01:44:49 PM
What a bummer. If I kill a buck mid November on my west foothills blues white tail buck tag 3 hrs from home I now have to abide by all this or risk the penalties. The greatest thing about killing animals in November is how you can hang the deer or quarters bone in outside for a few days. so as I see it right now.
1. The transport rule applies to every unit that starts with 1?
2. If I kill a buck on the boarder of two units no one’s going to take my deer if I drag it over the line to my truck to bone it out..
3. Apparently now I have to bring my pot and burner to boil the skull on site since I’m a European mount guy…
What a pain in the butt. I for one have no interest in getting a deer tested it doesn’t matter to me either way I’m eating the deer.
No judgement, but this has been the reality for out of state hunters coming back home to WA for years. I once shot a deer the morning we were supposed to drive home. I was breaking it don while others broke down camp. Just the way it is. It was impractical, but it didn't ruin my hunt. Washingtonians just need to start thinking about Region 1 the same way they think about out of state regs for CWD transport.
Same with skulls- I wish Washington had the kind of resources you can find in Wyoming- 2 day turnaround on processing, cheap and fast pressure washing for skulls....There actually can be a really neat cottage industry around making this easier to abide comply, that keeps money in east side communities and supports taxidermy and butcher shop professions
Post by: GOcougsHunter on August 30, 2024, 02:48:05 PM
Post by: HillHound on August 30, 2024, 03:37:51 PM
Post by: fishngamereaper on August 30, 2024, 03:45:34 PM
She didn't find it funny :o
Post by: baldopepper on August 30, 2024, 04:25:03 PM
Well I told the wife my moose trip will last at least a week after harvest so I can age the meat at camp...and I was going to need extra bourbon.
She didn't find it funny :o
Well, come hang em at my place near Hunters and come back at your leisure. Only cost you a steak or two :IBCOOL:
Post by: fishngamereaper on August 30, 2024, 04:29:51 PM
Well I told the wife my moose trip will last at least a week after harvest so I can age the meat at camp...and I was going to need extra bourbon.
She didn't find it funny :o
Well, come hang em at my place near Hunters and come back at your leisure. Only cost you a steak or two :IBCOOL:
Hush you
Stop trying to take away my me time :chuckle:
Post by: 6haase6 on August 30, 2024, 05:08:24 PM
Post by: Ghost Hunter on August 30, 2024, 06:17:18 PM
Well I told the wife my moose trip will last at least a week after harvest so I can age the meat at camp...and I was going to need extra bourbon.
She didn't find it funny :o
Well, come hang em at my place near Hunters and come back at your leisure. Only cost you a steak or two :IBCOOL:
This is what I'm thinking. Or sink it in my pond. Not boiling it.
Post by: andersonjk4 on August 31, 2024, 07:44:00 AM
Hunting idaho and talking to local trappers and hearing how many collared wolves they trap that are out of Washington give me a gut feeling this came across the state line from a predator. I’d have to go look and see but I want to say they just had a case in northern idaho earlier this year.
The Idaho case was up near Bonners Ferry and the WA case just north of Spokane. Pretty good distance between them. But it still could be wolves transmitting it. I think there is at least one captive elk herd just across the border in Idaho too. Not saying that’s where it came from either, just throwing possibilities out there. It could have always been here and just now discovered because testing has been ramped up. Most likely I would say it was predators or hunters transporting it into the state.
Post by: Sitka_Blacktail on August 31, 2024, 08:51:42 AM
What a bummer. If I kill a buck mid November on my west foothills blues white tail buck tag 3 hrs from home I now have to abide by all this or risk the penalties. The greatest thing about killing animals in November is how you can hang the deer or quarters bone in outside for a few days. so as I see it right now.
What a pain in the butt. I for one have no interest in getting a deer tested it doesn’t matter to me either way I’m eating the deer.
You can choose to be part of the solution, or part of the problem. Being part of the solution is, doing the right thing even though it might be a pain in the butt. Losing our herds is an even bigger pain in the butt.
Post by: dilleytech on September 01, 2024, 10:03:22 AM
What a bummer. If I kill a buck mid November on my west foothills blues white tail buck tag 3 hrs from home I now have to abide by all this or risk the penalties. The greatest thing about killing animals in November is how you can hang the deer or quarters bone in outside for a few days. so as I see it right now.
What a pain in the butt. I for one have no interest in getting a deer tested it doesn’t matter to me either way I’m eating the deer.
You can choose to be part of the solution, or part of the problem. Being part of the solution is, doing the right thing even though it might be a pain in the butt. Losing our herds is an even bigger pain in the butt.
It’s really easy to transport CWD meat and bones without infecting the local animals. But don’t misunderstand my post. That wasn’t meant as a complaint as much as a new reality and a question for clarification on if I understand the rules correctly.
Post by: nwwanderer on September 01, 2024, 02:11:22 PM
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