Post by: TimberMuleys on January 15, 2025, 08:13:32 AM
You come across a trail camera in an area you hunt. Are you willing to check it? Nothing more, just open the camera, check the card on your phone, and put it right back. Not deleting pictures or messing with camera, just checking the card. (This is also assuming the camera does not have a lock box you would have to mess with. )
And if you knew someone had checked your camera, like stated, would you be frustrated?
I personally have checked cameras before, and personally don’t care if people check mine as long as they don’t mess with anything else. I’m just curious if that is how many other people feel as well?
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Post by: follow maggie on January 15, 2025, 08:17:47 AM
Post by: jasnt on January 15, 2025, 08:18:38 AM
Post by: TimberMuleys on January 15, 2025, 08:20:56 AM
Not cool at all. If you want intell on the area put up your own camsOnly checked 2. Both were within 400yds of cameras I had up before theirs were up. Found them going to refresh salts.
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Post by: KrisKamm27 on January 15, 2025, 08:31:21 AM
Post by: Twispriver on January 15, 2025, 08:39:32 AM
Post by: hunter399 on January 15, 2025, 08:40:47 AM
I've had people setup within a 100 yards of mine,we co-existed pretty well I think.
Past 5 years I've cable locked or lock boxes all mine. Pretty much impossible to check it without damage.
SD cards get corrupted,the more devices that are reading it.
With all that said ,I'd rather have someone check the card and return it to working order. Then steal or damage it.
I've had a handful of cards and cameras stolen. It sucks.
Post by: Rainier10 on January 15, 2025, 08:42:56 AM
Post by: Blacktail Sniper on January 15, 2025, 08:52:48 AM
Post by: b0bbyg on January 15, 2025, 09:03:24 AM
That being said there is one I really want to check because I think it is abandoned. Been there at least 2 seasons now.
Unit 560 back of an old cut area with a treestand near by and unused lockbox as well.
I'll check and retrieve next year if yours and you contact me :chuckle:
Curious how many times my group is on it, chased elk through there more than once
Post by: Timberstalker on January 15, 2025, 09:08:45 AM
Not I. I actually try to walk around cameras I see in the woods.
:tup:
Post by: ghosthunter on January 15, 2025, 09:11:04 AM
Might be interesting to know age of responders to this question. I am guessing there is an age cut off between would and would not.
I am 73
Post by: BD1 on January 15, 2025, 09:16:29 AM
I wouldn’t. It’s not mine so I leave it alone. I might pose for it, though.
:yeah: 100%
Post by: trophyhunt on January 15, 2025, 09:31:05 AM
Post by: TimberMuleys on January 15, 2025, 09:31:21 AM
Nope not mine ,no touch.Could be. I asked the question because I wondered if I had become “numb” to having people mess with mine or people I knows cams. Seems like there’s always someone I know who has someone break it, steal cards, “snowball” the lens, steal the camera, point it away from the trail, etc., that just someone simply checking a card and putting it back doesn’t seem like a big deal to me anymore. I feel “lucky” that that is all they did. I currently run about 20+ cams year round and when running that many cams, you’re going to have run-ins with other hunters. If I don’t want my camera messed with, I put a lockbox on it. I see a camera as a tool, and if someone leaves a knife out in the woods, and I need to cut something, I may use it, but not take it. I don’t understand the other comments comparing it like going into someone’s tent. Nobody sleeps inside of cameras. Same with crab pots, you’re not directly affecting someone’s food source, or livelihood. If you want to compare it to a crab pot, I would see it more as looking at an underwater camera of the crab pot and seeing what is in it, not pulling it out and checking for crabs.
Might be interesting to know age of responders to this question. I am guessing there is an age cut off between would and would not.
I am 73
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Post by: fishngamereaper on January 15, 2025, 09:32:09 AM
And if I find cams I leave the area. I'm obviously not deep enough yet and don't like knowingly sharing areas..
Post by: trophyhunt on January 15, 2025, 09:35:02 AM
Nopeit’s so heartbreaking when you think you’ve found a new honey hole, only to find a camera already there!! My son in law and I found some nice spots on his recent cow hunt, I swear every spot had a camera, found at least 6-7 cameras in 11 days.
And if I find cams I leave the area. I'm obviously not deep enough yet and don't like knowingly sharing areas..
Post by: zwickeyman on January 15, 2025, 09:53:40 AM
Post by: KrisKamm27 on January 15, 2025, 09:57:07 AM
/ask her out on a date?" Some people might say, sure go for it! Others would question why you don't see it's the wrong time and place to meddle. It's the idea of free will that let's you have thoughts and desires but then being part of a civilized society is maintaining trust and rules with other people. You still have your free will but you choose to limit your actions so you're respecting other people's lives and property. You find a wallet with $500 in it... does the cash go to your pocket or do you pull you the ID and get the cash back to the owner? Sure, maybe they would not miss it..OR that is their only grocery money that month to feed their kids. If you have a choice to make and you want civilization to succeed, you choose the path that respects other peoples property. You don't touch it. Even if yours has been touched 50 times. That's my final and overly wordy answer. Sorry, it's my day off and the coffee has me all amped up :) I seriously might stick this toddler in the jogging stroller and go out for a few miles. Perfect weather for a run :)
Post by: BreezyBear on January 15, 2025, 10:05:21 AM
Post by: Mtnwalker on January 15, 2025, 10:06:36 AM
Post by: Buckhunter24 on January 15, 2025, 10:08:53 AM
Post by: Timberstalker on January 15, 2025, 10:41:28 AM
There is an expected level of respect (at least in my simple mind) that if it's not yours, you don't touch it. Period.
To each their own. :tup:
Post by: jackelope on January 15, 2025, 10:44:07 AM
Post by: TimberMuleys on January 15, 2025, 10:54:19 AM
This question sort of run parallel to, "You're at a restaurant and see a man and woman laughing having dinner. Do you approach the table to offer her your phone numberWe’ll just playing devils advocate.. by saying you don’t touch other people’s things, you wouldn’t be touching the wallet to know there’s $500 or look at an ID. Not saying I disagree with your logic, just for the purpose of the discussion.
/ask her out on a date?" Some people might say, sure go for it! Others would question why you don't see it's the wrong time and place to meddle. It's the idea of free will that let's you have thoughts and desires but then being part of a civilized society is maintaining trust and rules with other people. You still have your free will but you choose to limit your actions so you're respecting other people's lives and property. You find a wallet with $500 in it... does the cash go to your pocket or do you pull you the ID and get the cash back to the owner? Sure, maybe they would not miss it..OR that is their only grocery money that month to feed their kids. If you have a choice to make and you want civilization to succeed, you choose the path that respects other peoples property. You don't touch it. Even if yours has been touched 50 times. That's my final and overly wordy answer. Sorry, it's my day off and the coffee has me all amped up :) I seriously might stick this toddler in the jogging stroller and go out for a few miles. Perfect weather for a run :)
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Post by: MooseZ25 on January 15, 2025, 11:23:29 AM
I wouldn’t. It’s not mine so I leave it alone. I might pose for it, though.
Everytime! :yeah: :IBCOOL:
Post by: Catfishmoon on January 15, 2025, 11:30:55 AM
It is someone one else's personal property that was left there intentionally and they plan on coming back for it.
Just like I would not pull someone else's crab or shrimp pots if I were on the water.
Post by: hunter399 on January 15, 2025, 11:42:44 AM
Last year had someone steal camera+salt block.
Since my cams all have a cable lock.
I figured.....
1) They was angry that the camera took a picture of them.
2)They just had to know what was on the camera,which probably also gave them pictures of me.
3)I was in there spot,public land and all.Camera was fine till right before fall hunting season.
4) Which is all of the above.
Wouldn't it be more acceptable to hang a branch or old baseball cap over it . Then damage it,break it,or steal it.
Anyways I'll be keeping a better eye on my stuff in that area.
Post by: fowl smacker on January 15, 2025, 11:44:27 AM
Post by: hunter399 on January 15, 2025, 12:21:17 PM
That people would find,not mess with cam.
They must of thought there was a monster buck on it.
Cause they just show up at the cam ,all the time.
Sometimes it's funny to think about what's going through someone's head.
Wheels are turning,but no big bucks home.
People find cameras,first thought is how big is this buck.
Post by: LDennis24 on January 15, 2025, 12:27:49 PM
Post by: hunter399 on January 15, 2025, 12:33:01 PM
Speaking hypothetically, what if you and a buddy are packing salt into a particular area to see what kind of deer are there and you set up cameras and put in a bunch of work. You check your cams after a few weeks and see a nice nontypical mule deer buck. Then on your way out you come across someone else's camera in "your area". Shouldn't you check and see if they got pics of "your deer" and if so maybe delete them? So that they don't target the same area and shoot "your deer"? Then put everything back as it was so they don't know about you deleting the pics. And of course tell everyone you would never delete someone's pics, just look at them out of curiosity... :dunno:Most probably wouldn't notice deleted pics.
I would ,on my phone ,when I view it shows the picture number.
That's how I've known in the past ,before I cable locked.
That someone was messing with the card.
Also having cards go corrupt,is another hint that someone viewed it.
Post by: bhawley76 on January 15, 2025, 12:35:00 PM
Post by: pianoman9701 on January 15, 2025, 12:58:32 PM
Post by: hunter399 on January 15, 2025, 01:02:45 PM
This kind of seems like a troll question just to see everyone's heads explode. They do it a lot on Reddit.Truth right there :yeah:
Answer is no for me,I have no problem running my own setup.
If it kills ya to know what's on someone camera,put in your own.
Done with this topic.👍
Post by: Skillet on January 15, 2025, 01:10:38 PM
Post by: Skillet on January 15, 2025, 01:13:11 PM
This question sort of run parallel to, "You're at a restaurant and see a man and woman laughing having dinner. Do you approach the table to offer her your phone numberWe’ll just playing devils advocate.. by saying you don’t touch other people’s things, you wouldn’t be touching the wallet to know there’s $500 or look at an ID. Not saying I disagree with your logic, just for the purpose of the discussion.
/ask her out on a date?" Some people might say, sure go for it! Others would question why you don't see it's the wrong time and place to meddle. It's the idea of free will that let's you have thoughts and desires but then being part of a civilized society is maintaining trust and rules with other people. You still have your free will but you choose to limit your actions so you're respecting other people's lives and property. You find a wallet with $500 in it... does the cash go to your pocket or do you pull you the ID and get the cash back to the owner? Sure, maybe they would not miss it..OR that is their only grocery money that month to feed their kids. If you have a choice to make and you want civilization to succeed, you choose the path that respects other peoples property. You don't touch it. Even if yours has been touched 50 times. That's my final and overly wordy answer. Sorry, it's my day off and the coffee has me all amped up :) I seriously might stick this toddler in the jogging stroller and go out for a few miles. Perfect weather for a run :)
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For the purposes of the discussion - if the wallet was hiked back into the woods and deliberately strapped to a tree, I wouldn't touch that wallet. But if trail cam was lying on the floor of a bar, where it obviously wasn't placed intentionally, then I'd pick it up and try to determine who the owner was - before someone else with sticky fingers decided to pick it up and read the card.
Post by: fishngamereaper on January 15, 2025, 01:23:42 PM
Someone hiked their wife in 5 miles and tied her to a tree.... 🤔
One of life's most perplexing questions....
Post by: EnglishSetter on January 15, 2025, 01:26:03 PM
JK
Post by: Dan-o on January 15, 2025, 01:38:39 PM
But i do try to pose for every one I find and then move on.
Post by: Ridgeratt on January 15, 2025, 01:46:52 PM
What if......
Someone hiked their wife in 5 miles and tied her to a tree.... 🤔
One of life's most perplexing questions....
This may be considered baiting. :IBCOOL:
Post by: Skyvalhunter on January 15, 2025, 01:50:03 PM
Post by: hunter399 on January 15, 2025, 02:10:55 PM
Thought I was done.What if......
Someone hiked their wife in 5 miles and tied her to a tree.... 🤔
One of life's most perplexing questions....
This may be considered baiting. :IBCOOL:
She's a man eater , she'll tear ya up...lol
Post by: Griiz on January 15, 2025, 02:50:01 PM
Several years back I was going to check one of my cams and came across a ribbon trail leading right to my Moultrie cam. The guy cut the lock off and took the SD card then left in a $20 inside. Little did he know that cam had internal memory and got his picture.
Situation like that, I wonder if they wanted the intel or didn't want their picture taken.
Post by: 270Flat on January 15, 2025, 02:57:30 PM
Post by: High Climber on January 15, 2025, 04:59:34 PM
What if......Question is would you look, answer is yes :chuckle:
Someone hiked their wife in 5 miles and tied her to a tree.... 🤔
One of life's most perplexing questions....
Post by: GWP on January 15, 2025, 04:59:53 PM
Post by: Alan K on January 15, 2025, 05:22:07 PM
Being a forester I come across quite a few cameras when cruising and doing road/harvest boundary layout. I find quite a few on old grades that are due to be reopened for harvest. I usually hang a ribbon discretely on the camera that gives a rough timeline of when operations will begin. Rarely make it back immediately before operations begin to see if they're still there or not but I like to think I save some folks the grief of a lost/destroyed camera.
If you see fresh flagging/tags in and around where your camera is, operations are usually fairly imminent and you should move it! No way the camera is making it to the landing in one piece!
If anyone's found one of the ribbons, be cool to know. Probably me and my yellow lab on it! :tup:
Post by: brokentrail on January 15, 2025, 06:08:40 PM
Post by: millerwheeler on January 15, 2025, 06:12:13 PM
Post by: NOCK NOCK on January 15, 2025, 06:18:19 PM
I wouldn’t. It’s not mine so I leave it alone. I might pose for it, though.
:yeah: 100%
X2, with the exception that I will DEFINITELY pose for it.
Post by: 2MANY on January 15, 2025, 06:26:03 PM
I can’t believe this is even a question. This is where we are ….. it’s not yours piss off and leave it alone
Someone has a nack for starting these types of threads.
I think they should be outlawed.
Post by: Ghost Hunter on January 15, 2025, 06:32:21 PM
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Post by: millerwheeler on January 15, 2025, 07:54:51 PM
Post by: NOCK NOCK on January 15, 2025, 08:28:49 PM
What if......
Someone hiked their wife in 5 miles and tied her to a tree.... 🤔
One of life's most perplexing questions....
From experience I'd answer this...................If it wasn't a family friendly forum. :chuckle: Hmmm, gonna have to try this next time we find a cam. :yike:
Post by: highcountry_hunter on January 16, 2025, 02:50:34 AM
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Post by: TimberMuleys on January 16, 2025, 03:00:12 AM
One time I had some dirtbag check one of my cameras…and then he sent me a picture of an ear tagged bull moose, off of my own camera mind you, and then ask me if the camera was mine!Wow. I bet he told you all about that moose and it’s 65+ mile journey too. Probably offered you to hunt the 190” deer he found too. Sounds like a giant piece of crap!
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Post by: TimberMuleys on January 16, 2025, 03:18:21 AM
Just curious what everyone’s opinion is on this:I’m pretty encouraged by the amount of hunters who have the mindset of “don’t touch what isn’t yours”. That is the mindset I have had for years. Starting to wonder if it’s just one guy ruining it for everyone or if the community on here is a more respectful crowd than what you may find out in the woods. I was being honest when I have said that many cameras of mine and peoples I know have been checked and messed with many times. I thought if “admitted” to checking others cameras, others would admit it too and we would actually see a more accurate number of who was willing to open others cameras. I just might have left out the fact that I knew the people who’s cam I checked…
You come across a trail camera in an area you hunt. Are you willing to check it? Nothing more, just open the camera, check the card on your phone, and put it right back. Not deleting pictures or messing with camera, just checking the card. (This is also assuming the camera does not have a lock box you would have to mess with. )
And if you knew someone had checked your camera, like stated, would you be frustrated?
I personally have checked cameras before, and personally don’t care if people check mine as long as they don’t mess with anything else. I’m just curious if that is how many other people feel as well?
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Pretty sad to have people already making assumptions on if I actually found my buck on someone else’s cam or if I deleted pictures off of someone else’s so they wouldn’t try to target the buck I shot. Ignorant responses like that are why many don’t post on here.
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Post by: jasnt on January 16, 2025, 07:14:14 AM
This should have been a poll
Post by: LDennis24 on January 16, 2025, 07:14:58 AM
Post by: TimberMuleys on January 16, 2025, 07:15:50 AM
You can’t start a thread like this, then get upset when someone posts a knee jerk reaction to it.Not upset, just commented that it was sad. Should’ve worded that better. I could really care less what everyone thinks about the bucks I shoot/don’t shoot. If you do care, you’re hunting for the wrong reasons in my opinion.
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Post by: TimberMuleys on January 16, 2025, 07:19:05 AM
You can’t start a thread like this, then get upset when someone posts a knee jerk reaction to it.How do you start a poll? You’re right, that would’ve been much more effective.
This should have been a poll
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Post by: LDennis24 on January 16, 2025, 07:22:45 AM
Post by: MeepDog on January 16, 2025, 07:33:37 AM
Post by: jasnt on January 16, 2025, 07:46:14 AM
I think a poll would have been better because it allows anonymous answers. After the 4th or 5th no people can get nervous about saying yes.You can’t start a thread like this, then get upset when someone posts a knee jerk reaction to it.How do you start a poll? You’re right, that would’ve been much more effective.
This should have been a poll
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No I don’t care about the bucks you shoot, you can’t compete with me because I want you to win too. It’s probably too late for the poll now unfortunately
Post by: Feathernfurr on January 16, 2025, 08:59:39 AM
I have checked one other persons camera in my life, about a decade ago, over a giant pile of corn in a state where you’re not allowed to bait. With that being said I hunt an extremely high pressure area for whitetails these days, and there’s about 10-15 guys that hunt it very hard. We’re all friends now, but I know for a fact that a good amount of those guys have checked other people’s cards.
This thread may give that idea that people don’t check other people’s cards, but I don’t think that’s the reality.
Personally I have no interest in checking someone else’s card these days. I wouldn’t hesitate to though, circumstantially. If I’m hunting private and no one else is supposed to be there, I’m checking it. If I’ve shot an animal and I were to cross a camera while I’m trying to recover the animal, I absolutely would check it.
Post by: Mtnwalker on January 16, 2025, 09:10:07 AM
You can’t start a thread like this, then get upset when someone posts a knee jerk reaction to it.
This should have been a poll
I don't see any problem with OP's post and we absolutely should be able to discuss each other's views on ethics and morals without it turning into a dumpster fire. We're losing the ability to have civil discourse on this forum and online in general. I always enjoy seeing the reactions to these situational threads, sometimes it even gains me a perspective I hadn't previously considered. Knee jerk reaction is on the responder
Post by: hunter399 on January 16, 2025, 09:36:48 AM
I’ll be an anomaly in this one. I don’t really care if you check my cameras. If you’re in an area I’m hunting, you probably have cameras up and are seeing all the same things I see. Checking my camera is 1000x better than sabotaging it or stealing it.I'm trying to grasp the reality of because your trying to recover an animal. It suddenly gives you more of a right to check someone's camera. Fire off a shot or two,yup I can check it now.... 😂
I have checked one other persons camera in my life, about a decade ago, over a giant pile of corn in a state where you’re not allowed to bait. With that being said I hunt an extremely high pressure area for whitetails these days, and there’s about 10-15 guys that hunt it very hard. We’re all friends now, but I know for a fact that a good amount of those guys have checked other people’s cards.
This thread may give that idea that people don’t check other people’s cards, but I don’t think that’s the reality.
Personally I have no interest in checking someone else’s card these days. I wouldn’t hesitate to though, circumstantially. If I’m hunting private and no one else is supposed to be there, I’m checking it. If I’ve shot an animal and I were to cross a camera while I’m trying to recover the animal, I absolutely would check it.
I also agree a tiny bit that reality is different than most response on this topic. Kinda the reason I own 200.00+ dollars in cable locks.
Have spent countless hours and weld wire putting lock boxes together.
Post by: hunter399 on January 16, 2025, 10:00:28 AM
Absolutely NOT! And what would you do if you caught somebody checking yours?I can't really say ,till I'm put in that position.
Can say I wouldn't want to be that guy that gets caught.
Hard to get caught,when you delete the photos of yourself... 😂
Post by: Feathernfurr on January 16, 2025, 10:31:16 AM
I’ll be an anomaly in this one. I don’t really care if you check my cameras. If you’re in an area I’m hunting, you probably have cameras up and are seeing all the same things I see. Checking my camera is 1000x better than sabotaging it or stealing it.I'm trying to grasp the reality of because your trying to recover an animal. It suddenly gives you more of a right to check someone's camera. Fire off a shot or two,yup I can check it now.... 😂
I have checked one other persons camera in my life, about a decade ago, over a giant pile of corn in a state where you’re not allowed to bait. With that being said I hunt an extremely high pressure area for whitetails these days, and there’s about 10-15 guys that hunt it very hard. We’re all friends now, but I know for a fact that a good amount of those guys have checked other people’s cards.
This thread may give that idea that people don’t check other people’s cards, but I don’t think that’s the reality.
Personally I have no interest in checking someone else’s card these days. I wouldn’t hesitate to though, circumstantially. If I’m hunting private and no one else is supposed to be there, I’m checking it. If I’ve shot an animal and I were to cross a camera while I’m trying to recover the animal, I absolutely would check it.
I also agree a tiny bit that reality is different than most response on this topic. Kinda the reason I own 200.00+ dollars in cable locks.
Have spent countless hours and weld wire putting lock boxes together.
Easy, I have a responsibility to do everything in my power to recover an animal. I big game hunt exclusively archery. Weird things happen, animals duck shots, broadheads don’t deploy, vegetation deflects arrows, a million other possibilities. I’ve blood trailed a couple hundred archery kills between my own and my core family/friend group. I’ve seen just as many that don’t make sense as I have that make sense. Case in point, this year I shot a WT that I was 100% certain was high and back. I backed out and gave the buck 12 hours with the thought that I had most likely hit liver, if anything lethal, despite good blood for the first 40 yards of the trail. In that time span, despite cold temps, we lost 3-4 inches of snow. The blood trail was almost completely gone, even the 40 yards that I had previously seen. Luckily we managed to follow some discolored snow and tracks to recover the buck in 110 yards with a double lung shot. However, had we not found him in that time span, and completely lost blood, we would have resorted to gridding/body searching. At which point, if I was to cross a camera that I thought potentially captured a photo of the deer I shot and given me any insight to the lethality of the shot, I would check that card.
Post by: boneaddict on January 16, 2025, 10:39:28 AM
Post by: Feathernfurr on January 16, 2025, 10:49:03 AM
Edited. On private land whatever the owner wants to do is fair game!
Post by: KrisKamm27 on January 16, 2025, 10:52:56 AM
Post by: TimberMuleys on January 16, 2025, 10:54:31 AM
Agreed Boneaddict, as much as I love having them I would love to see states make it illegal to run them on private during active seasons. Use em to scout and for inventory during the offseason, then pulled from the field.I would disagree on this personally. Why does it matter if someone puts up a camera on a tree? Is it really affecting you?
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Post by: KrisKamm27 on January 16, 2025, 10:57:22 AM
Agreed Boneaddict, as much as I love having them I would love to see states make it illegal to run them on private during active seasons. Use em to scout and for inventory during the offseason, then pulled from the field.
Are you saying people will put them up on private land? If thats the case... and I was on my own property and found trail cams mounted... then those cameras would now belong to me. The old owner would come back and find a small sign mounted where their cam was that said. "Private property no camera's allowed. Make better choices"
Post by: boneaddict on January 16, 2025, 10:59:58 AM
TM, I try really hard not to contaminate other peoples set ups. Some places I go I might run into 20 set ups. My relaxing hike just became some sort of whatever. I get filmed at the gas station, the grocery store, the stop light, I don’t feel like it at 6000 feet. I am there to escape technology.
Post by: Feathernfurr on January 16, 2025, 11:04:53 AM
Agreed Boneaddict, as much as I love having them I would love to see states make it illegal to run them on private during active seasons. Use em to scout and for inventory during the offseason, then pulled from the field.I would disagree on this personally. Why does it matter if someone puts up a camera on a tree? Is it really affecting you?
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I think depending on the area and camera type it’s not impacting me, it’s impacting wildlife. I don’t have real numbers but I’d be willing to bet a month’s pay that harvests of mature bucks/bulls has seen a huge increase due to cell cameras. I think non cell cams in the backcountry are obviously less impactful. In areas that have service though, cell cameras are 100% unfair to game. He’s relying on his eyes, ears, nose, and wit to beat you. Humans are using those things plus satellite imagery, blinds/stands, long range rifles, high end archery equipment that has increased effective range, weather forecasting, in some extreme cases drones, hounds in some states. The ability to have 24/7 photo/video surveillance while actively pursuing an animal is just too much in my eyes.
Post by: Feathernfurr on January 16, 2025, 11:07:35 AM
Agreed Boneaddict, as much as I love having them I would love to see states make it illegal to run them on private during active seasons. Use em to scout and for inventory during the offseason, then pulled from the field.
Are you saying people will put them up on private land? If thats the case... and I was on my own property and found trail cams mounted... then those cameras would now belong to me. The old owner would come back and find a small sign mounted where their cam was that said. "Private property no camera's allowed. Make better choices"
Edited my previous post. I mean public not private.
Post by: KrisKamm27 on January 16, 2025, 11:12:42 AM
I’m curious about how illegal it is to remove litter from public property. Some might think stealing, some might think cleaning up the woods, along with all the trash that often comes along with bait sites. Again, have never done it, but have thought about it.
TM, I try really hard not to contaminate other peoples set ups. Some places I go I might run into 20 set ups. My relaxing hike just became some sort of whatever. I get filmed at the gas station, the grocery store, the stop light, I don’t feel like it at 6000 feet. I am there to escape technology.
I know if you find illegal dumping sites there are numbers you can call to report it for cleanup. When I go on hikes around hamilton mountain or multnomah falls I always stuck a grocery bag in my pocket and come back down with bag of wrapper, cans and bottles to dispose of.
I did a summer on the PIKA project and was hiking out with a GPS trying to log Pika sightings and listening for them. It always surprised me that I could be 5 miles out in the middle of nowhere. Miles off trail and find soda cans or bottle that looked like they had been dropped that day. Never actually ran into anyone in the middle of nowhere but lots of evidence and trash indicating regular foot traffic.
Post by: 2MANY on January 16, 2025, 11:13:58 AM
"Do these pants make my butt look fat"?
Post by: Ridgeratt on January 16, 2025, 11:15:24 AM
Last fall my neighbor was going to check his cameras and ran into a bear hunter. Had a conversation with him, He said that he had over 2 dozen cameras out. My neighbor has over a dozen and if I had put any out the count would have been close to 5 dozen cameras in the one drainage. those are just the ones that the 3 of us admit to and who knows how many other folks thought they had found the honey hole?
Post by: KrisKamm27 on January 16, 2025, 11:24:39 AM
I have asked this before. When you are standing on the point of a ridge just how many cameras do you think are in the area?
Last fall my neighbor was going to check his cameras and ran into a bear hunter. Had a conversation with him, He said that he had over 2 dozen cameras out. My neighbor has over a dozen and if I had put any out the count would have been close to 5 dozen cameras in the one drainage. those are just the ones that the 3 of us admit to and who knows how many other folks thought they had found the honey hole?
So if we go search ebay and find someone selling 50 gently used trail cams we knew where they found them 😆
Post by: TimberMuleys on January 16, 2025, 11:31:37 AM
I could see that, just in some areas like the buck I shot this year, the furthest I could see on the whole mountain was 50yds. And that buck only hit the cell cam 5 times in 5 months. And hit the additional 10 cameras I had out for him 0 times. I just don’t think setting out cameras “kills” that many deer. I think persistence and patience is what kills most big deer. My buddy had a whitetail on camera this year and I had the same buck (identical in lines and same unique massy areas) on camera 13 miles away just a few weeks later. I also had a bull moose on camera 65+ miles from where he was relocated to in 2020. Just because someone has a cell camera out, doesn’t mean they’re gonna kill anything, let alone big. I think they are an amazing tool for learning how animals use an area and get a feel for what animals are living there and their age class. However, if cameras were the “x-factor” for killing bug bucks/bulls, there would be WAY more big bucks and bulls dying every year. Both you and bone addict just complained about how many cameras are out, but I have never heard anyone complaining about too many big bucks and bulls dying to hunters in WA. I could see in some instances where the cell cameras could get excessive, but in places like I hunt, if cams get banned, there’s no glassing. It’s really the only efficient strategy to only pursue big, mature bucks and bulls in the thick timber. If there’s no cameras, people go in blind and shoot the first thing they get a chance at, which I believe leads toward less mature deer/elk.Agreed Boneaddict, as much as I love having them I would love to see states make it illegal to run them on private during active seasons. Use em to scout and for inventory during the offseason, then pulled from the field.I would disagree on this personally. Why does it matter if someone puts up a camera on a tree? Is it really affecting you?
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I think depending on the area and camera type it’s not impacting me, it’s impacting wildlife. I don’t have real numbers but I’d be willing to bet a month’s pay that harvests of mature bucks/bulls has seen a huge increase due to cell cameras. I think non cell cams in the backcountry are obviously less impactful. In areas that have service though, cell cameras are 100% unfair to game. He’s relying on his eyes, ears, nose, and wit to beat you. Humans are using those things plus satellite imagery, blinds/stands, long range rifles, high end archery equipment that has increased effective range, weather forecasting, in some extreme cases drones, hounds in some states. The ability to have 24/7 photo/video surveillance while actively pursuing an animal is just too much in my eyes.
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Post by: KrisKamm27 on January 16, 2025, 11:49:05 AM
Post by: TimberMuleys on January 16, 2025, 11:50:59 AM
Slightly off topic but I'm curious. For the cam placement do you look at an Google maps and try to guess where the trails might be based on elevation and then set out a senty line of cams to build up an idea of how many deer are active in the area and what time of day they pass by and where they pass? Then you get set up in a blind to make the shot as they pass by? I remember my grandpas farm.. he has 80 acres half was fully forested and half was corn he left a gap between the fields and the forest. But his dad had taught him to plant a narrow strip of corn right up along the edge of the forest. So all summer long and into the fall the deer would get very comfortable working their way down along it and feel safe. They didn't cross the open area into the actual field. Then when it was hunting season he would just go up into a tree stand and get a deer. I'm very curious about the mindset and planning of just finding likely areas and hoping for the best or if the conditions here require more leg work and cameras? Do you find that certain places are a good bet to get a deer year after year or do the deer shift their patterns and you have to adapt and stay in tune with the deer to consistently be in the right spot to bag one?Very loaded question(s). Very dependent on type of area you will be hunting. Might be better off to ask that in its own discussion.
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Post by: hunter399 on January 16, 2025, 11:53:50 AM
Camera placement is critical.Slightly off topic but I'm curious. For the cam placement do you look at an Google maps and try to guess where the trails might be based on elevation and then set out a senty line of cams to build up an idea of how many deer are active in the area and what time of day they pass by and where they pass? Then you get set up in a blind to make the shot as they pass by? I remember my grandpas farm.. he has 80 acres half was fully forested and half was corn he left a gap between the fields and the forest. But his dad had taught him to plant a narrow strip of corn right up along the edge of the forest. So all summer long and into the fall the deer would get very comfortable working their way down along it and feel safe. They didn't cross the open area into the actual field. Then when it was hunting season he would just go up into a tree stand and get a deer. I'm very curious about the mindset and planning of just finding likely areas and hoping for the best or if the conditions here require more leg work and cameras? Do you find that certain places are a good bet to get a deer year after year or do the deer shift their patterns and you have to adapt and stay in tune with the deer to consistently be in the right spot to bag one?Very loaded question(s). Very dependent on type of area you will be hunting. Might be better off to ask that in its own discussion.
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You can put two cameras 1/4 mile apart.
Be night and day compared to what's on it.
Post by: Rainier10 on January 16, 2025, 11:58:29 AM
I’d be more likely to take a sledge hammer to one than I would to check it. I’m getting sick of side stepping them all over the place. I go to the woods to get away from being recorded all the time. Tired of the damage caused by them etc. I haven’t done either, just saying.Were you the guy that checked my SD card and kept it?
Just kidding.
FYI this camera was on my private property. I was starting to really pattern a bear and a cougar using this trail.
Post by: blackveltbowhunter on January 16, 2025, 11:58:54 AM
I heard it summed up well on a podcast somewhere, a camera doesn't do much to help you find or kill a mature buck or bull, you still need to place it where those kind of animals live, and then hunt them correctly ( the discussion was not cell cam specific ) the real benefit lies in the fact that you don't have to waste time till the opportunity knocks to know what the critter is. Spending a whole season for an opportunity at a mature critter may take all season, if that buck is 155 or 190 there is no way to know and for some folks that can be defeating.
I don't mess with cameras. But tend to like bones outlook, I am pretty good about spotting them before they see me, but when they do I tend to be frustrated and cranky. Kind of spoils my good time.
I do think if some of these guys could get on the same page, It might help long term. I mean in one drainage I found 4 cams this season, located owners of 2 (different ) at a trail head I never showed up on their cams, and they knew of at least one other camera owner. They were all chasing the bull I killed and had pics. Seems like they could have compared notes and saved a boat load of camera work and time. In some areas the camera density just gets really high and guys are all hunting the same critter IMO. Maybe not tho....
Post by: hunter399 on January 16, 2025, 11:59:22 AM
But wouldn't it be your responsibility to setup your own camera.I’ll be an anomaly in this one. I don’t really care if you check my cameras. If you’re in an area I’m hunting, you probably have cameras up and are seeing all the same things I see. Checking my camera is 1000x better than sabotaging it or stealing it.I'm trying to grasp the reality of because your trying to recover an animal. It suddenly gives you more of a right to check someone's camera. Fire off a shot or two,yup I can check it now.... 😂
I have checked one other persons camera in my life, about a decade ago, over a giant pile of corn in a state where you’re not allowed to bait. With that being said I hunt an extremely high pressure area for whitetails these days, and there’s about 10-15 guys that hunt it very hard. We’re all friends now, but I know for a fact that a good amount of those guys have checked other people’s cards.
This thread may give that idea that people don’t check other people’s cards, but I don’t think that’s the reality.
Personally I have no interest in checking someone else’s card these days. I wouldn’t hesitate to though, circumstantially. If I’m hunting private and no one else is supposed to be there, I’m checking it. If I’ve shot an animal and I were to cross a camera while I’m trying to recover the animal, I absolutely would check it.
I also agree a tiny bit that reality is different than most response on this topic. Kinda the reason I own 200.00+ dollars in cable locks.
Have spent countless hours and weld wire putting lock boxes together.
Easy, I have a responsibility to do everything in my power to recover an animal. I big game hunt exclusively archery. Weird things happen, animals duck shots, broadheads don’t deploy, vegetation deflects arrows, a million other possibilities. I’ve blood trailed a couple hundred archery kills between my own and my core family/friend group. I’ve seen just as many that don’t make sense as I have that make sense. Case in point, this year I shot a WT that I was 100% certain was high and back. I backed out and gave the buck 12 hours with the thought that I had most likely hit liver, if anything lethal, despite good blood for the first 40 yards of the trail. In that time span, despite cold temps, we lost 3-4 inches of snow. The blood trail was almost completely gone, even the 40 yards that I had previously seen. Luckily we managed to follow some discolored snow and tracks to recover the buck in 110 yards with a double lung shot. However, had we not found him in that time span, and completely lost blood, we would have resorted to gridding/body searching. At which point, if I was to cross a camera that I thought potentially captured a photo of the deer I shot and given me any insight to the lethality of the shot, I would check that card.
If you make a bad shot , isn't that on you.
Post by: fishngamereaper on January 16, 2025, 12:02:12 PM
And outside of season will require name and contact info during use.
Kind of odd topic but seems where this thread is going.
Post by: Feathernfurr on January 16, 2025, 12:03:05 PM
Sure, you’re not seeing a bunch of booners killed because of cell cameras, but 4.5-5.5yo that are good bucks that 95% of the public aren’t passing up are. You pull enough of those off the landscape and eventually you don’t have booners anymore.
That last line though can still be achieved by running cameras in the offseason for inventory then being pulled during active season.
As I said, some situations it’s not as impactful. Big migratory here’s of elk and mule deer are definitely less impacted. Whitetails will cover a lot of ground during the rut, but generally have a smaller home range and have core areas during certain times of year. I think in regions where elk and mule deer don’t migrate they’re just as susceptible as WT. I’ve seen the increase in harvest due to cell cameras within my own group of friends/family. Arizona, Kansas, and Utah have all banned cameras during the hunting season. Those two things tell me that I’m not the only one seeing similar impacts.
Post by: TimberMuleys on January 16, 2025, 12:04:03 PM
Why does going in blind mean that you have to shoot the first critter you see? I hunt lots of areas with tight cover and nocturnal bucks ( till rut) that doesn't mean I am blasting every small buck or bull on the mountain.I didn’t say going in blind meant you have to shoot the first thing you see, but I think it leads to it in some cases. I used to not do any cameras, and just knocked down the first good 4 point I saw. Now that I know what lives in an area, I will pass every deer I see unless it’s my target buck. I know lots of people who don’t shoot anything all year because they are targeting a specific deer or elk, therefore, allowing more animals to get one year closer to maturity.
I heard it summed up well on a podcast somewhere, a camera doesn't do much to help you find or kill a mature buck or bull, you still need to place it where those kind of animals live, and then hunt them correctly ( the discussion was not cell cam specific ) the real benefit lies in the fact that you don't have to waste time till the opportunity knocks to know what the critter is. Spending a whole season for an opportunity at a mature critter may take all season, if that buck is 155 or 190 there is no way to know and for some folks that can be defeating.
I don't mess with cameras. But tend to like bones outlook, I am pretty good about spotting them before they see me, but when they do I tend to be frustrated and cranky. Kind of spoils my good time.
I do think if some of these guys could get on the same page, It might help long term. I mean in one drainage I found 4 cams this season, located owners of 2 (different ) at a trail head I never showed up on their cams, and they knew of at least one other camera owner. They were all chasing the bull I killed and had pics. Seems like they could have compared notes and saved a boat load of camera work and time. In some areas the camera density just gets really high and guys are all hunting the same critter IMO. Maybe not tho....
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Post by: Rainier10 on January 16, 2025, 12:04:39 PM
He is saying if he is trailing a wounded deer and comes across a camera he will check it to see if the wounded deer is on camera. I actually had a hunter do this on my private property. Shot a deer on my place, checked the camera, deleted the photos and never found the deer. I had the whole thing on film from another camera he never saw.But wouldn't it be responsibility to setup your own camera.I’ll be an anomaly in this one. I don’t really care if you check my cameras. If you’re in an area I’m hunting, you probably have cameras up and are seeing all the same things I see. Checking my camera is 1000x better than sabotaging it or stealing it.I'm trying to grasp the reality of because your trying to recover an animal. It suddenly gives you more of a right to check someone's camera. Fire off a shot or two,yup I can check it now.... 😂
I have checked one other persons camera in my life, about a decade ago, over a giant pile of corn in a state where you’re not allowed to bait. With that being said I hunt an extremely high pressure area for whitetails these days, and there’s about 10-15 guys that hunt it very hard. We’re all friends now, but I know for a fact that a good amount of those guys have checked other people’s cards.
This thread may give that idea that people don’t check other people’s cards, but I don’t think that’s the reality.
Personally I have no interest in checking someone else’s card these days. I wouldn’t hesitate to though, circumstantially. If I’m hunting private and no one else is supposed to be there, I’m checking it. If I’ve shot an animal and I were to cross a camera while I’m trying to recover the animal, I absolutely would check it.
I also agree a tiny bit that reality is different than most response on this topic. Kinda the reason I own 200.00+ dollars in cable locks.
Have spent countless hours and weld wire putting lock boxes together.
Easy, I have a responsibility to do everything in my power to recover an animal. I big game hunt exclusively archery. Weird things happen, animals duck shots, broadheads don’t deploy, vegetation deflects arrows, a million other possibilities. I’ve blood trailed a couple hundred archery kills between my own and my core family/friend group. I’ve seen just as many that don’t make sense as I have that make sense. Case in point, this year I shot a WT that I was 100% certain was high and back. I backed out and gave the buck 12 hours with the thought that I had most likely hit liver, if anything lethal, despite good blood for the first 40 yards of the trail. In that time span, despite cold temps, we lost 3-4 inches of snow. The blood trail was almost completely gone, even the 40 yards that I had previously seen. Luckily we managed to follow some discolored snow and tracks to recover the buck in 110 yards with a double lung shot. However, had we not found him in that time span, and completely lost blood, we would have resorted to gridding/body searching. At which point, if I was to cross a camera that I thought potentially captured a photo of the deer I shot and given me any insight to the lethality of the shot, I would check that card.
If you make a bad shot , isn't that on you.
Post by: Feathernfurr on January 16, 2025, 12:15:56 PM
He is saying if he is trailing a wounded deer and comes across a camera he will check it to see if the wounded deer is on camera. I actually had a hunter do this on my private property. Shot a deer on my place, checked the camera, deleted the photos and never found the deer. I had the whole thing on film from another camera he never saw.But wouldn't it be responsibility to setup your own camera.I’ll be an anomaly in this one. I don’t really care if you check my cameras. If you’re in an area I’m hunting, you probably have cameras up and are seeing all the same things I see. Checking my camera is 1000x better than sabotaging it or stealing it.I'm trying to grasp the reality of because your trying to recover an animal. It suddenly gives you more of a right to check someone's camera. Fire off a shot or two,yup I can check it now.... 😂
I have checked one other persons camera in my life, about a decade ago, over a giant pile of corn in a state where you’re not allowed to bait. With that being said I hunt an extremely high pressure area for whitetails these days, and there’s about 10-15 guys that hunt it very hard. We’re all friends now, but I know for a fact that a good amount of those guys have checked other people’s cards.
This thread may give that idea that people don’t check other people’s cards, but I don’t think that’s the reality.
Personally I have no interest in checking someone else’s card these days. I wouldn’t hesitate to though, circumstantially. If I’m hunting private and no one else is supposed to be there, I’m checking it. If I’ve shot an animal and I were to cross a camera while I’m trying to recover the animal, I absolutely would check it.
I also agree a tiny bit that reality is different than most response on this topic. Kinda the reason I own 200.00+ dollars in cable locks.
Have spent countless hours and weld wire putting lock boxes together.
Easy, I have a responsibility to do everything in my power to recover an animal. I big game hunt exclusively archery. Weird things happen, animals duck shots, broadheads don’t deploy, vegetation deflects arrows, a million other possibilities. I’ve blood trailed a couple hundred archery kills between my own and my core family/friend group. I’ve seen just as many that don’t make sense as I have that make sense. Case in point, this year I shot a WT that I was 100% certain was high and back. I backed out and gave the buck 12 hours with the thought that I had most likely hit liver, if anything lethal, despite good blood for the first 40 yards of the trail. In that time span, despite cold temps, we lost 3-4 inches of snow. The blood trail was almost completely gone, even the 40 yards that I had previously seen. Luckily we managed to follow some discolored snow and tracks to recover the buck in 110 yards with a double lung shot. However, had we not found him in that time span, and completely lost blood, we would have resorted to gridding/body searching. At which point, if I was to cross a camera that I thought potentially captured a photo of the deer I shot and given me any insight to the lethality of the shot, I would check that card.
If you make a bad shot , isn't that on you.
To be clear, I wasn’t that guy 😂
Hunter399, I had cameras in that area, he actually ran by one but only got his hinds legs and a blood spurt on the ground in frame. If I think I’ve wounded an animal I’m exhausting all legal means to recover it. I would expect other hunters to do the same, I would much rather them check my camera and find an animal they’re tracking than it potentially go to waste. Of course if I make a bad shot it’s on me, chit happens. Any hunter who claims to have never made a bad shot is either a liar or hasn’t shot very many animals.
Post by: hunter399 on January 16, 2025, 12:22:44 PM
Very true Sir.He is saying if he is trailing a wounded deer and comes across a camera he will check it to see if the wounded deer is on camera. I actually had a hunter do this on my private property. Shot a deer on my place, checked the camera, deleted the photos and never found the deer. I had the whole thing on film from another camera he never saw.But wouldn't it be responsibility to setup your own camera.I’ll be an anomaly in this one. I don’t really care if you check my cameras. If you’re in an area I’m hunting, you probably have cameras up and are seeing all the same things I see. Checking my camera is 1000x better than sabotaging it or stealing it.I'm trying to grasp the reality of because your trying to recover an animal. It suddenly gives you more of a right to check someone's camera. Fire off a shot or two,yup I can check it now.... 😂
I have checked one other persons camera in my life, about a decade ago, over a giant pile of corn in a state where you’re not allowed to bait. With that being said I hunt an extremely high pressure area for whitetails these days, and there’s about 10-15 guys that hunt it very hard. We’re all friends now, but I know for a fact that a good amount of those guys have checked other people’s cards.
This thread may give that idea that people don’t check other people’s cards, but I don’t think that’s the reality.
Personally I have no interest in checking someone else’s card these days. I wouldn’t hesitate to though, circumstantially. If I’m hunting private and no one else is supposed to be there, I’m checking it. If I’ve shot an animal and I were to cross a camera while I’m trying to recover the animal, I absolutely would check it.
I also agree a tiny bit that reality is different than most response on this topic. Kinda the reason I own 200.00+ dollars in cable locks.
Have spent countless hours and weld wire putting lock boxes together.
Easy, I have a responsibility to do everything in my power to recover an animal. I big game hunt exclusively archery. Weird things happen, animals duck shots, broadheads don’t deploy, vegetation deflects arrows, a million other possibilities. I’ve blood trailed a couple hundred archery kills between my own and my core family/friend group. I’ve seen just as many that don’t make sense as I have that make sense. Case in point, this year I shot a WT that I was 100% certain was high and back. I backed out and gave the buck 12 hours with the thought that I had most likely hit liver, if anything lethal, despite good blood for the first 40 yards of the trail. In that time span, despite cold temps, we lost 3-4 inches of snow. The blood trail was almost completely gone, even the 40 yards that I had previously seen. Luckily we managed to follow some discolored snow and tracks to recover the buck in 110 yards with a double lung shot. However, had we not found him in that time span, and completely lost blood, we would have resorted to gridding/body searching. At which point, if I was to cross a camera that I thought potentially captured a photo of the deer I shot and given me any insight to the lethality of the shot, I would check that card.
If you make a bad shot , isn't that on you.
To be clear, I wasn’t that guy 😂
Hunter399, I had cameras in that area, he actually ran by one but only got his hinds legs and a blood spurt on the ground in frame. If I think I’ve wounded an animal I’m exhausting all legal means to recover it. I would expect other hunters to do the same, I would much rather them check my camera and find an animal they’re tracking than it potentially go to waste. Of course if I make a bad shot it’s on me, chit happens. Any hunter who claims to have never made a bad shot is either a liar or hasn’t shot very many animals.
Got a thumbs up from me 👍
Off topic here.
Shot a buck,blood trail ,few far between.
Trailed him to private.Tried to gain permission.
Snow in the morning,melted by afternoon.
Anyway that buck will haunt me for the rest of my life.
I know I did the right thing,but what's right doesn't always seem right.
Don't blame ya , recovery is stressful.
Sometimes God will give ya a freezer full,other times not.
Post by: LDennis24 on January 16, 2025, 01:02:21 PM
I predict camera's get prohibited during hunting season in the next two years.
And outside of season will require name and contact info during use.
Kind of odd topic but seems where this thread is going.
Yeah and when I go out hunting and start finding game cameras after it's deemed illegal I'm packing them out and trashing them. I'm with Bone on this topic.
Post by: Feathernfurr on January 16, 2025, 01:13:16 PM
Ldennis24, whether is right or wrong, those laws will get followed pretty quick because hunters will definitely self regulate one another lol.
Post by: blackveltbowhunter on January 16, 2025, 03:26:31 PM
Why does going in blind mean that you have to shoot the first critter you see? I hunt lots of areas with tight cover and nocturnal bucks ( till rut) that doesn't mean I am blasting every small buck or bull on the mountain.I didn’t say going in blind meant you have to shoot the first thing you see, but I think it leads to it in some cases. I used to not do any cameras, and just knocked down the first good 4 point I saw. Now that I know what lives in an area, I will pass every deer I see unless it’s my target buck. I know lots of people who don’t shoot anything all year because they are targeting a specific deer or elk, therefore, allowing more animals to get one year closer to maturity.
I heard it summed up well on a podcast somewhere, a camera doesn't do much to help you find or kill a mature buck or bull, you still need to place it where those kind of animals live, and then hunt them correctly ( the discussion was not cell cam specific ) the real benefit lies in the fact that you don't have to waste time till the opportunity knocks to know what the critter is. Spending a whole season for an opportunity at a mature critter may take all season, if that buck is 155 or 190 there is no way to know and for some folks that can be defeating.
I don't mess with cameras. But tend to like bones outlook, I am pretty good about spotting them before they see me, but when they do I tend to be frustrated and cranky. Kind of spoils my good time.
I do think if some of these guys could get on the same page, It might help long term. I mean in one drainage I found 4 cams this season, located owners of 2 (different ) at a trail head I never showed up on their cams, and they knew of at least one other camera owner. They were all chasing the bull I killed and had pics. Seems like they could have compared notes and saved a boat load of camera work and time. In some areas the camera density just gets really high and guys are all hunting the same critter IMO. Maybe not tho....
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Gotcha. I guess my point was that anyone who wants to kill a bigger buck, with or without a trail cam, has the option to keep hunting till they find one.
Post by: boneaddict on January 16, 2025, 04:07:57 PM
Post by: wadu1 on January 16, 2025, 04:23:21 PM
Post by: TimberMuleys on January 16, 2025, 04:26:13 PM
There were a lot of big bucks that were never seen by man until cams came into play. Mostly whitetails.But what is the problem with man knowing about these amazing cagey bucks? I personally don’t see the problem with it, through cameras we can learn a ton about how they tick and how they act. I mean, even the biologists use cameras for some studies. I just don’t think the cameras are the problem. I think if we want to get to the problem of not enough bucks, it’s not the 10 a year that are dying to guys with cell cams, it’s the thousands that are dying to winter, predators, vehicles, and habitat loss. I would be more for having a “cell cam permit” that ACTUALLY WENT to helping deer, than to just ban trail cams because “too many big buck are dying”
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Post by: hunter399 on January 16, 2025, 04:35:04 PM
No never not my property, I have waived. One did intrigue me to get a closer look at it, it had a homemade anti-theft/bear box around it. Made from 1/4" steel and welded fixed to the tree with 1/2 lag bolts and 1/2 chain even the hinge pins were welded. Gave that camera a thumbs up :tup:Kinda the way I'm going for a spot or two.
Your gonna need a big sledge hammer to get into it.
Post by: hunter399 on January 16, 2025, 04:39:40 PM
There were a lot of big bucks that were never seen by man until cams came into play. Mostly whitetails.Ya ,you actually had to have tracking skills back then.
The knowledge to know,yup that's a big one.
Post by: NOCK NOCK on January 16, 2025, 05:00:30 PM
I predict camera's get prohibited during hunting season in the next two years.
And outside of season will require name and contact info during use.
Kind of odd topic but seems where this thread is going.
Yeah and when I go out hunting and start finding game cameras after it's deemed illegal I'm packing them out and trashing them. I'm with Bone on this topic.
So you'll be certain that those cams were for hunting purposes? I know several folks who do not hunt but still love trail cams. Also have heard of several school classes that use them in their outdoor ed class.
Just another form of photography.
Post by: GOcougsHunter on January 16, 2025, 05:05:52 PM
Post by: TimberMuleys on January 16, 2025, 06:15:03 PM
My thoughts exactly. In the hypothetical that something like that actually happens, I hope they go steal a cam from a biologist/Wdfw and get caught. It’s “not yours so don’t touch it” until it doesn’t fit their agenda, then it goes all out the wayside and you can not only touch someone else’s property, but take it home and throw it away. Love the logic there.I predict camera's get prohibited during hunting season in the next two years.
And outside of season will require name and contact info during use.
Kind of odd topic but seems where this thread is going.
Yeah and when I go out hunting and start finding game cameras after it's deemed illegal I'm packing them out and trashing them. I'm with Bone on this topic.
So you'll be certain that those cams were for hunting purposes? I know several folks who do not hunt but still love trail cams. Also have heard of several school classes that use them in their outdoor ed class.
Just another form of photography.
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Post by: fishngamereaper on January 16, 2025, 06:56:11 PM
Also, I don't think Boone and Crockett recognizes animals taken in the area, or around the use of cellular cams....
I read a study that said on average 11-12 percent of hunters in any given region use cams. And average 2-3 cams each .. rough math would be 100k trail cams in Washington...
A ban is coming eventually ...Then there won't be any cams to be tempted to check :chuckle:
Post by: TimberMuleys on January 16, 2025, 07:04:10 PM
Plenty of States have banned them and somehow figured it out..I think what you wrote may not be entirely accurate. They allow bucks to be entered that were on cell cams, just not within a day of harvesting. Here’s the quote from B&C: “Real time” is the key concept. Seeing a photo and harvesting an animal a few hours later, or even the same day, uses this technology to assure a kill. It also takes advantage of the animal, which cannot detect impending danger from a camera. Waiting several days, or even until the following season, to pursue an animal captured on camera is different, and would not be deemed an unethical use of a trail camera.
Also, I don't think Boone and Crockett recognizes animals taken in the area, or around the use of cellular cams....
I read a study that said on average 11-12 percent of hunters in any given region use cams. And average 2-3 cams each .. rough math would be 100k trail cams in Washington...
A ban is coming eventually ...Then there won't be any cams to be tempted to check :chuckle:
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Post by: huntnnw on January 16, 2025, 08:13:12 PM
Reason some of these other states banned cams was the water hole BS .
Post by: TimberMuleys on January 16, 2025, 08:17:30 PM
I definitely could see a cell cam ban during hunting season and that’s it.Agreed. Do you think there would be a way to keep cell cams up in the woods, just disabling it to send pictures, then it could still act as a normal camera during season and then go right back to cell when season had finished? I thought Utah made it so Cell Camera companies weren’t allowed to sell plans to Utahns during their hunting seasons? Would be nice to not have to take all the cams out of the woods, just to put them back for rut/shed pictures.
Reason some of these other states banned cams was the water hole BS .
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Post by: LDennis24 on January 16, 2025, 10:19:11 PM
My thoughts exactly. In the hypothetical that something like that actually happens, I hope they go steal a cam from a biologist/Wdfw and get caught. It’s “not yours so don’t touch it” until it doesn’t fit their agenda, then it goes all out the wayside and you can not only touch someone else’s property, but take it home and throw it away. Love the logic there.I predict camera's get prohibited during hunting season in the next two years.
And outside of season will require name and contact info during use.
Kind of odd topic but seems where this thread is going.
Yeah and when I go out hunting and start finding game cameras after it's deemed illegal I'm packing them out and trashing them. I'm with Bone on this topic.
So you'll be certain that those cams were for hunting purposes? I know several folks who do not hunt but still love trail cams. Also have heard of several school classes that use them in their outdoor ed class.
Just another form of photography.
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Yeah I was referring to if it's deemed illegal. Illegal means illegal, your coming up with hypotheticals. I'm not playing semantics. Are you saying you don't do your part to clean up the woods? The old adage "If it's not yours don't touch it" doesn't apply to trash...
Post by: NOCK NOCK on January 17, 2025, 05:59:17 AM
My thoughts exactly. In the hypothetical that something like that actually happens, I hope they go steal a cam from a biologist/Wdfw and get caught. It’s “not yours so don’t touch it” until it doesn’t fit their agenda, then it goes all out the wayside and you can not only touch someone else’s property, but take it home and throw it away. Love the logic there.I predict camera's get prohibited during hunting season in the next two years.
And outside of season will require name and contact info during use.
Kind of odd topic but seems where this thread is going.
Yeah and when I go out hunting and start finding game cameras after it's deemed illegal I'm packing them out and trashing them. I'm with Bone on this topic.
So you'll be certain that those cams were for hunting purposes? I know several folks who do not hunt but still love trail cams. Also have heard of several school classes that use them in their outdoor ed class.
Just another form of photography.
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Yeah I was referring to if it's deemed illegal. Illegal means illegal, your coming up with hypotheticals. I'm not playing semantics. Are you saying you don't do your part to clean up the woods? The old adage "If it's not yours don't touch it" doesn't apply to trash...
FYI, You came up with your own hypothetical to start with. (purple) :P
They will most likely to some degree be deemed illegal.......for hunting purposes. HUNTING purposes will be written into the laws, way to many players and money involved to ever have a complete ban on TC.
Post by: KrisKamm27 on January 17, 2025, 07:08:46 AM
Post by: Feathernfurr on January 17, 2025, 07:16:22 AM
Post by: jasnt on January 17, 2025, 07:52:14 AM
Post by: LDennis24 on January 17, 2025, 08:10:08 AM
Personally I think we have lost enough hunting opportunities. I’m against any kind of ban They do enough meddling as it is
Well then shouldn't they atleast legalize checking other people's cameras on public land? After all, I wouldn't wanna have to bring my own camera and set it up if someone else has one on the water hole already. I can just use theirs! It's PUBLIC LAND by golly!
Post by: TimberMuleys on January 17, 2025, 08:10:40 AM
Personally I think we have lost enough hunting opportunities. I’m against any kind of ban They do enough meddling as it isExactly… if we are so worried about how many bucks and bulls are “dying to trail cams” let’s start by thinning the populations cougars, wolves and bears, maybe try to find ways to keep less from dying on roads as well. According to Wdfw, there are on avg 20,000-24,000 deer killed by hunters per year. They also say there are 2400 cougars state wide (which we all know is much lower than the actual number) but even if we use their number, the average cougar kills a deer every 7-10 days according to studies. We also know that number could be much higher in some cases, but for the case of the argument, we will only use once every 10 days. 2400 cougars x 37 (365days/10days per kill) give you 88,800 dead deer per year. I know this is all hypothetical, but let’s just be real, just to make the cougar kills and hunter kills even we would have to assume there is only 2400 cougars in this state, and that they only kill 1 deer every 5 weeks (math comes out to 24,960). Once again, I understand these are all hypothetical numbers, but that’s not including bears, wolves, bobcats, coyotes, winter kill, or roadkill. I think that a trail cam ban is just another way to take away rights from hunters. If we are really worried about populations and keeping hunting for the generations to come, the last thing we should be worried about right now is the 20 big bucks killed every year because someone had them on camera a couple times before they killed them. If anyone has a disagreement with this, I think we could have a new thread discussing this because I am open to changing my thinking on this if different facts are brought to my attention.
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Post by: boneaddict on January 17, 2025, 08:37:23 AM
I do seriously wonder about what laws there are about trail cameras on public land. Ethically, again I wouldnt touch someones stuff. I just wouldnt, but are there any rules protecting it. I don't use them so I dont know.
Its a real testament that any animal can become trophy sized in this state. Besides natural predators feeding 24/7, you have the illegal two legged ones, then you have damn near satellite thermal imaging being used to hunt them real time day and night. Chemical Lures, baits, calls. An army of snipers from distances mankind couldnt even detect them. Non-stop tribal hunting, Throw in mother nature(elements, starvation),plus your own kind (rut) humankind (cars), etc. and then its not even safe on your friends front porch as they might sell you out to the highest bidder. :chuckle: I have a lot of respect for an ole mossback
Post by: hunter399 on January 17, 2025, 08:40:55 AM
If I had to pull them all before the fall season,I could.
I do like to run them through the summer,to see what's out there.
We all want to hunt ,where there is actual game animals.
NE WASHINGTON definitely has dead zones for one reason or another.
I do that for damage and thieves,not for ethics.
I've learned that most damage happens during fall.
Post by: Feathernfurr on January 17, 2025, 09:09:19 AM
I won’t get this thread anymore off course than it already is, but it’s interesting how many of the popular threads these days lead back to the same discussions. Freedom is a beautiful thing, and I hate government oversight as much as the next guy, but we hunters have proven time and time again an inability to self regulate. If we can’t get our acts together it’ll all get put under lock and key someday.
Post by: boneaddict on January 17, 2025, 09:23:18 AM
Post by: jasnt on January 17, 2025, 09:25:05 AM
It’s not illegal to check someone’s cam. It’s just plain rudePersonally I think we have lost enough hunting opportunities. I’m against any kind of ban They do enough meddling as it is
Well then shouldn't they atleast legalize checking other people's cameras on public land? After all, I wouldn't wanna have to bring my own camera and set it up if someone else has one on the water hole already. I can just use theirs! It's PUBLIC LAND by golly!
Post by: BreezyBear on January 17, 2025, 09:31:37 AM
Post by: LDennis24 on January 17, 2025, 09:41:41 AM
Post by: hunter399 on January 17, 2025, 10:24:48 AM
I'm saying write it into law that if it's on public land you cannot lock it and you must allow public viewing.
I guess we should all leave our trucks unlocked on public land.
So we can all go through each other's stuff.
Ridiculous lol... 😂
What's your thoughts on that?....🤔
I will admit I've thought about leaving contact info,to try to avoid damage to the camera, And share photos.
Not sure that it would make a difference.
Some peeps are just mad your in that spot period.
Post by: Buckhunter24 on January 17, 2025, 10:31:40 AM
Post by: hunter399 on January 17, 2025, 10:41:28 AM
I took my wife out a bit during modern deer.I'm saying write it into law that if it's on public land you cannot lock it and you must allow public viewing.So if your woman is out in public? Awe forget it.
It's hard to find a spot for her to use the restroom at times.
Post by: NOCK NOCK on January 17, 2025, 07:29:38 PM
So if Tcams are made illegal, and you (you as in anyone) come across one in the field, do you take it, or leave it be?
Post by: TimberMuleys on January 17, 2025, 09:27:26 PM
OP, let me know if this is too much off topic and I'll remove.I’m good with however the conversation moves. As long as it’s productive conversation, I don’t see a problem with it. Seems like a legit question to me. If I find a camera, I’m leaving it, I think banning them is completely ridiculous.
So if Tcams are made illegal, and you (you as in anyone) come across one in the field, do you take it, or leave it be?
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Post by: Birdguy on January 17, 2025, 11:04:06 PM
Post by: HUNTINCOUPLE on January 18, 2025, 07:54:41 AM
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Post by: hunter399 on January 20, 2025, 09:39:56 AM
I lock mine now for that reason. people are lazy, your not going to shoot quality animals if your not willing to put in the work. I've found people don't realize how much money and time folks put in when they run a lot of cameras.I agree 💯 percent.
It's a turn off to share trail cam pics with HW.
When so many disapprove of something that is legal.
Guys that put in so much hard work ,only to share the best pics with everyone. Pretty much get spit on by a few,that don't want to do the work.
Post by: Bowhunter3 on January 20, 2025, 11:07:36 AM
I lock mine now for that reason. people are lazy, your not going to shoot quality animals if your not willing to put in the work. I've found people don't realize how much money and time folks put in when they run a lot of cameras.I agree 💯 percent.
It's a turn off to share trail cam pics with HW.
When so many disapprove of something that is legal.
Guys that put in so much hard work ,only to share the best pics with everyone. Pretty much get spit on by a few,that don't want to do the work.
You were trying to give away(share) hunting spots on here because other people had found them. People don’t forget. Talk a little less
Post by: hunter399 on January 20, 2025, 12:41:41 PM
Alot more story to that fiasco ,that I don't feel the need to share.I lock mine now for that reason. people are lazy, your not going to shoot quality animals if your not willing to put in the work. I've found people don't realize how much money and time folks put in when they run a lot of cameras.I agree 💯 percent.
It's a turn off to share trail cam pics with HW.
When so many disapprove of something that is legal.
Guys that put in so much hard work ,only to share the best pics with everyone. Pretty much get spit on by a few,that don't want to do the work.
You were trying to give away(share) hunting spots on here because other people had found them. People don’t forget. Talk a little less
Maybe you already know,since you seem to never forget,I know I'll never forget.
I do agree with you,talk less ,post less,log in less.
Post by: Buckhunter24 on January 20, 2025, 12:49:25 PM
Alot more story to that fiasco ,that I don't feel the need to share.I lock mine now for that reason. people are lazy, your not going to shoot quality animals if your not willing to put in the work. I've found people don't realize how much money and time folks put in when they run a lot of cameras.I agree 💯 percent.
It's a turn off to share trail cam pics with HW.
When so many disapprove of something that is legal.
Guys that put in so much hard work ,only to share the best pics with everyone. Pretty much get spit on by a few,that don't want to do the work.
You were trying to give away(share) hunting spots on here because other people had found them. People don’t forget. Talk a little less
Maybe you already know,since you seem to never forget,I know I'll never forget.
I do agree with you,talk less ,post less,log in less.
I remember that, sending new members that were looking for help into spots you knew had other people in them because you wanted to screw up their hunt.
Post by: Bowhunter3 on January 20, 2025, 01:38:25 PM
Alot more story to that fiasco ,that I don't feel the need to share.I lock mine now for that reason. people are lazy, your not going to shoot quality animals if your not willing to put in the work. I've found people don't realize how much money and time folks put in when they run a lot of cameras.I agree 💯 percent.
It's a turn off to share trail cam pics with HW.
When so many disapprove of something that is legal.
Guys that put in so much hard work ,only to share the best pics with everyone. Pretty much get spit on by a few,that don't want to do the work.
You were trying to give away(share) hunting spots on here because other people had found them. People don’t forget. Talk a little less
Maybe you already know,since you seem to never forget,I know I'll never forget.
I do agree with you,talk less ,post less,log in less.
I remember that, sending new members that were looking for help into spots you knew had other people in them because you wanted to screw up their hunt.
Exxxxactly. Lots of them to share. Again, talk less.
Post by: hunter399 on January 20, 2025, 01:51:51 PM
Maybe I should talk more, since it bothers you so much.Alot more story to that fiasco ,that I don't feel the need to share.I lock mine now for that reason. people are lazy, your not going to shoot quality animals if your not willing to put in the work. I've found people don't realize how much money and time folks put in when they run a lot of cameras.I agree 💯 percent.
It's a turn off to share trail cam pics with HW.
When so many disapprove of something that is legal.
Guys that put in so much hard work ,only to share the best pics with everyone. Pretty much get spit on by a few,that don't want to do the work.
You were trying to give away(share) hunting spots on here because other people had found them. People don’t forget. Talk a little less
Maybe you already know,since you seem to never forget,I know I'll never forget.
I do agree with you,talk less ,post less,log in less.
I remember that, sending new members that were looking for help into spots you knew had other people in them because you wanted to screw up their hunt.
Exxxxactly. Lots of them to share. Again, talk less.
Would you like that, why should I listen to you .
What exactly you gonna do if I don't shut up.
Please explain.
I was nice,agreed with ya,logged out..
But you just got to keep going with it.
Post by: Bowhunter3 on January 20, 2025, 01:54:08 PM
Maybe I should talk more, since it bothers you so much.Alot more story to that fiasco ,that I don't feel the need to share.I lock mine now for that reason. people are lazy, your not going to shoot quality animals if your not willing to put in the work. I've found people don't realize how much money and time folks put in when they run a lot of cameras.I agree 💯 percent.
It's a turn off to share trail cam pics with HW.
When so many disapprove of something that is legal.
Guys that put in so much hard work ,only to share the best pics with everyone. Pretty much get spit on by a few,that don't want to do the work.
You were trying to give away(share) hunting spots on here because other people had found them. People don’t forget. Talk a little less
Maybe you already know,since you seem to never forget,I know I'll never forget.
I do agree with you,talk less ,post less,log in less.
I remember that, sending new members that were looking for help into spots you knew had other people in them because you wanted to screw up their hunt.
Exxxxactly. Lots of them to share. Again, talk less.
Would you like that, why should I listen to you .
What exactly you gonna do if I don't shut up.
Please explain.
Everyone here respects and appreciates your posts. God bless little buddy.
Post by: Rainier10 on January 20, 2025, 02:13:33 PM
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Post by: Bowhunter3 on January 20, 2025, 09:35:04 PM
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Post by: Skyvalhunter on January 21, 2025, 08:37:36 AM
Post by: Mtnwalker on January 21, 2025, 09:58:18 AM
I don’t mess with them I did talk to a guy a while back who volunteered that he takes the card out of the ones he saw. His justification was that he has a reputation for shooting big bucks and didn’t want people to know where he hunted. I kinda wrote him off as a *censored* but different perspective for sure. I’ve also lived in and hunted the area I saw him my whole life and never heard of him
Doesn't surprise me, I know guys who swap vehicles regularly and keep them hidden in the off season just to keep from burning their elk spots. They're like vampires and sunlight when they step in front of a trail cam :chuckle:
Post by: dreamingbig on January 21, 2025, 01:21:35 PM
Just curious what everyone’s opinion is on this:I leave them untouched. I was raised to leave other peoples stuff alone.
You come across a trail camera in an area you hunt. Are you willing to check it? Nothing more, just open the camera, check the card on your phone, and put it right back. Not deleting pictures or messing with camera, just checking the card. (This is also assuming the camera does not have a lock box you would have to mess with. )
And if you knew someone had checked your camera, like stated, would you be frustrated?
I personally have checked cameras before, and personally don’t care if people check mine as long as they don’t mess with anything else. I’m just curious if that is how many other people feel as well?
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I have mine stolen and broken. They are all locked so you can’t check them without breaking.
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Post by: hunter399 on January 21, 2025, 02:30:49 PM
If your gonna check someone's SD,you might as well slap your tag on someone's buck as well. Then brag about it....lol.
All kinds of shady stuff happens in those woods ,when no one's around. Some will get caught ,most don't.
Hunters among hunters are our worst enemy, everything from property damage and theft, commission. Public land that we claim as our own,any subject really.
I wish ALL of you the best season possible. I have many goals for this year, don't need the drama that this site provides in the off season.
I'm out.
Post by: Skyvalhunter on January 21, 2025, 05:23:57 PM
Post by: optic2 on January 27, 2025, 12:54:33 AM
Just curious what everyone’s opinion is on this:
You come across a trail camera in an area you hunt. Are you willing to check it? Nothing more, just open the camera, check the card on your phone, and put it right back. Not deleting pictures or messing with camera, just checking the card. (This is also assuming the camera does not have a lock box you would have to mess with. )
And if you knew someone had checked your camera, like stated, would you be frustrated?
I personally have checked cameras before, and personally don’t care if people check mine as long as they don’t mess with anything else. I’m just curious if that is how many other people feel as well?
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Hey, your truck was just sitting there at the trail head so I figured I would pick the lock and take a look through your truck. Sound OK to you? If not, then how is that any different from opening someone's trail cam and looking through it.
Trail cam on public land = personal property
Truck parked on public land = personal property
Post by: chukardogs on January 27, 2025, 08:44:10 AM
Just curious what everyone’s opinion is on this:
You come across a trail camera in an area you hunt. Are you willing to check it? Nothing more, just open the camera, check the card on your phone, and put it right back. Not deleting pictures or messing with camera, just checking the card. (This is also assuming the camera does not have a lock box you would have to mess with. )
And if you knew someone had checked your camera, like stated, would you be frustrated?
I personally have checked cameras before, and personally don’t care if people check mine as long as they don’t mess with anything else. I’m just curious if that is how many other people feel as well?
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Hey, your truck was just sitting there at the trail head so I figured I would pick the lock and take a look through your truck. Sound OK to you? If not, then how is that any different from opening someone's trail cam and looking through it.
Trail cam on public land = personal property
Truck parked on public land = personal property
Damn Skippy!!! How is this even a legitimate question? Has our societal norms, societal acceptances, gotten to a point where someone else's personnal property can be used by anyone that comes along, just because they can?
How about we all agree, leaving things alone that belong to others or better yet, that don't belong to you, is the right thing to do.
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Post by: DaNewb on April 20, 2025, 07:45:44 AM
Last year I left a cam on the landing after archery ended and muzzy opened. On opening day several guys walked within a few feet of the camera and never gave it a second glance. Maybe they didn't see it, not that it was hidden at all, but I like to think they just didn't want to mess with it. I pulled it the next day.
I don't like being caught on other people's cams either...
Post by: Jonathan_S on April 20, 2025, 08:16:53 AM
As for my attitude about having them stolen, it's not on the same level as vehicle theft or camp raiding. Should it be? Sure but it apparently isn't because there's a lot of trail cam messing in spots I haven't had my camp subject to thievery.
Post by: HUNTINCOUPLE on April 20, 2025, 12:17:23 PM
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Post by: hunter399 on April 20, 2025, 04:09:13 PM
I thought this trainwreck got locked :dunno:Dumpster fire 🔥🔥🔥 😂
Not sure ,all the ones that have gotten locked.
I was just about to hit the post button.
BAM .....It's locked.
That was the topic about turning in bait spots...... 🤫.