Post by: Irish_hunter93 on January 23, 2025, 10:11:15 AM
Link to the bill
Bill, if passed would require insurance policies up to $25,000 per firearm
Or self insurance of $25,000 per firearm
Or a $25,000 certificate of deposit given to the wa state DOL
Don't gripe about it on here,
Go to the link, and send your comments in on this bill
OPPOSE, OPPOSE, OPPOSE
An absolute blatant attempt to make a gun registry, price gun owners out, and another swipe at our 2nd ammendment rights.
This affects EVERYONE who owns a firearm in this state.
SEND IN YOUR COMMENTS TO YOUR LEGISLATORS
Post by: fowl smacker on January 23, 2025, 10:57:38 AM
https://app.leg.wa.gov/billsummary?BillNumber=1504&Year=2025&Initiative=falseJust messaged my legislators on this.
Link to the bill
Bill, if passed would require insurance policies up to $25,000 per firearm
Or self insurance of $25,000 per firearm
Or a $25,000 certificate of deposit given to the wa state DOL
Don't gripe about it on here,
Go to the link, and send your comments in on this bill
OPPOSE, OPPOSE, OPPOSE
An absolute blatant attempt to make a gun registry, price gun owners out, and another swipe at our 2nd ammendment rights.
This affects EVERYONE who owns a firearm in this state.
SEND IN YOUR COMMENTS TO YOUR LEGISLATORS
Post by: GOcougsHunter on January 23, 2025, 10:58:43 AM
Post by: Cougartail on January 23, 2025, 11:09:54 AM
Thank you for posting this. Does anyone have an idea what a $25,000 policy would cost in premiums? We need to spell out how much this would actually cost their constituents.
At this point the insurance isn't even abtainable.
Post by: Irish_hunter93 on January 23, 2025, 11:19:45 AM
Hope this bill dies.
Post by: Practical Approach on January 23, 2025, 11:33:57 AM
Post by: dreamingbig on January 23, 2025, 11:35:38 AM
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Post by: Oldguy on January 23, 2025, 12:01:38 PM
Post by: ghosthunter on January 23, 2025, 12:54:28 PM
And I have alerted everyone I know.
Post by: bigdave on January 23, 2025, 01:40:06 PM
Post by: Lincoln4 on January 23, 2025, 01:49:17 PM
Thank you for posting this. Does anyone have an idea what a $25,000 policy would cost in premiums? We need to spell out how much this would actually cost their constituents.
At this point the insurance isn't even abtainable.
No worries. You can alternately provide the state a $25,000 certificate of deposit per firearm. :dunno:
Post by: HillHound on January 23, 2025, 01:56:56 PM
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Post by: brokentrail on January 23, 2025, 03:16:46 PM
Post by: ghosthunter on January 23, 2025, 03:27:35 PM
Post by: MADMAX on January 23, 2025, 03:28:12 PM
Geez, they never quit.
Post by: hookr88 on January 23, 2025, 04:25:27 PM
Post by: pat2bear on January 23, 2025, 05:34:10 PM
Well I talked to the wife about this and I told her if it passes I will be in jail. We live on SS and I been collecting firearms my whole life. I am not doing this.. period.Someone can correct me if I’m wrong but I’m pretty sure that the penalty is a civil infraction. Basically like driving without liability insurance. Still crazy though.
Post by: MADMAX on January 23, 2025, 05:48:20 PM
Post by: Mtnwalker on January 23, 2025, 06:25:51 PM
Well I talked to the wife about this and I told her if it passes I will be in jail. We live on SS and I been collecting firearms my whole life. I am not doing this.. period.Someone can correct me if I’m wrong but I’m pretty sure that the penalty is a civil infraction. Basically like driving without liability insurance. Still crazy though.
Right now maybe. If they somehow manage to pass this garbage legislation I’d bet my paycheck they’ll be looking to increase the penalty in the not so distant future
Post by: high_hunter on January 23, 2025, 06:43:17 PM
Post by: timberghost72 on January 23, 2025, 06:46:23 PM
Post by: BreezyBear on January 23, 2025, 06:49:13 PM
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Post by: timberghost72 on January 23, 2025, 07:09:11 PM
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Post by: High Climber on January 23, 2025, 07:54:18 PM
If you haven’t seen the writing on the wall they aren’t going to stop. And I am not going to comply with any of their unconstitutional laws. The power lies with the people not politicians so don’t comply with Unconstitutional laws or orders.:yeah:
Post by: Mulie87 on January 23, 2025, 08:42:04 PM
Post by: elksnout on January 23, 2025, 10:52:57 PM
elksnout
Post by: Irish_hunter93 on January 24, 2025, 12:46:26 AM
Post by: C-Money on January 24, 2025, 07:20:19 AM
Post by: HntnFsh on January 24, 2025, 07:23:14 AM
Post by: fishngamereaper on January 24, 2025, 07:31:26 AM
Like all the other questionable legislation I've replied with stern opposition...
And unfortunately get many of the same canned responses.
My reps are outnumbered unfortunately.
Some of these bills won't grow legs, they are test runs to see what needs tweaking....but it's definitely a sign of things to come. Dems control Olympia and they aren't afraid to show all their cards now....
This will be a true test of AG Brown's legal standing. Is he 100 percent for constitutional law...or is he going to cherry pick...
Post by: Ghost Hunter on January 24, 2025, 08:11:15 AM
Post by: C-Money on January 24, 2025, 09:29:05 AM
Post by: JimmyHoffa on January 24, 2025, 09:41:18 AM
I just sent a message to President Trump as well. Since its a state issue, not sure what he can do, but at least maybe he can draw attention to the Unconstitutional language in the bill. Guess it can't hurt to try.I'd think it's federal. Fed non-involvement is why we're in this mess. When Washington joined as a state they knew the conditions. I don't think the 2A is ambiguous. The tenth tells the states where their jurisdiction lies.
Post by: shotguunar on January 24, 2025, 10:15:19 AM
Post by: Dick in the Dirt on January 24, 2025, 11:03:28 AM
Post by: ghosthunter on January 24, 2025, 01:39:59 PM
Thank you again for contacting Senator Muzzall on firearms legislation. He shares your strong support for Second Amendment rights and has been troubled by the legislative efforts we’ve seen in recent years that infringes on those rights. HB 1504 was referred to Civil Rights & Judiciary Committee and has not yet been scheduled for a public hearing. If it is scheduled for a public hearing, you can sign up to testify (in-person, remotely, or offer a written testimony) HERE. Please continue to send in additional thoughts you’d like to share with Sen. Muzzall. He will continue to stand up for Second amendment rights and is keeping a close watch on this bill. He hopes to see it stand still and not advance any further. He will oppose any legislation that further infringes on the Second Amendment. Thank you for your activism.
Best,
Alexandra Wienckowski
Session Aid to
Senator Ron Muzzall
(360) 786-7065
PO Box 40410 , Olympia 98504
310 Irv Newhouse Building
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Post by: Platensek-po on January 24, 2025, 09:09:28 PM
this is just blatantly wrong I don't no how many legal gun owners are in this state but I no there is not enough jail space to lock em all up who the hell is going to pay this . And besides that we all no the liberal left just love criminals just watch the news every night.How many of them illegals did ice arrest that have federal gun charges that these law makers let back out on the street does that sound like they are worried about crime and guns hell no where's all these federal judges that should be opposed to these unconstitutional laws . when our president signs a executive order these judges with in minutes are filing against them sounds like the government needs to look into the american bar association and set them straight on the constitution And who is exempt from this ex law enforcement, ex military, oh and what about our Native American people are they exempt because if they are can the lawful gun owning people of washington file a federal class action discrimination law suit against our state legislators .This is starting to sound more like a dictatorship . Over the years you have to look at all the feel good laws that our state legislatures have put into place that don't work or they just completely ignore they have failed failed failed the washington people. The dumbing down of America Thank god Mr Tump is back in power
This post just makes me laugh. The irony of the dumbing down of america statement is just too much.
Otherwise sent a comment to oppose this measure.
Post by: kodiak06 on January 25, 2025, 07:46:18 AM
https://lawfilesext.leg.wa.gov/biennium/2025-26/Pdf/Bills/House%20Bills/1504.pdf?q=20250125072121 (https://lawfilesext.leg.wa.gov/biennium/2025-26/Pdf/Bills/House%20Bills/1504.pdf?q=20250125072121)
Post by: jstone on January 25, 2025, 08:12:01 AM
Post by: lewy on January 25, 2025, 09:56:58 AM
Getting to be like china around here, f these libs
Post by: Irish_hunter93 on January 25, 2025, 10:06:35 AM
Opposed and sent:yeah:
Getting to be like china around here, f these libs
Post by: CedarPants on January 26, 2025, 02:04:47 PM
To be clear, I'm dead set against this bill and have already reached out to my representatives. Was more just wondering out loud. I would also think if it does somehow meet the requirements, they will update the verbiage to state that you have to disclose the make and model of every single one of those 25+ guns and list them on your homeowners and umbrella policies.
(It may already state that and I just missed it)
Post by: ghosthunter on January 26, 2025, 03:06:06 PM
Would the liability coverage of a homeowners policy and additional coverage under an umbrella policy meet the self-insured requirement of this bill?
To be clear, I'm dead set against this bill and have already reached out to my representatives. Was more just wondering out loud. I would also think if it does somehow meet the requirements, they will update the verbiage to state that you have to disclose the make and model of every single one of those 25+ guns and list them on your homeowners and umbrella policies.
(It may already state that and I just missed it)
My home owners covers my guns if stolen as long as there is a police report. I had safe stolen many years ago with a handgun in it. The home owners paid me three times what I paid for it, they said the gun value appreciated over time. With no serial numbers.
However I have contacted reps about this bill. And if passed I will not comply with it.
Post by: HUNTIN4SIX on January 26, 2025, 03:43:16 PM
Would the liability coverage of a homeowners policy and additional coverage under an umbrella policy meet the self-insured requirement of this bill?
To be clear, I'm dead set against this bill and have already reached out to my representatives. Was more just wondering out loud. I would also think if it does somehow meet the requirements, they will update the verbiage to state that you have to disclose the make and model of every single one of those 25+ guns and list them on your homeowners and umbrella policies.
(It may already state that and I just missed it)
I think if a person is already trying to figure out how their current insurance will put them in compliance we have already lost the battle. How about hell no on the bill and ALL gun owners will no comply. This bill is nefarious to its core. Even if homeowners does cover it.....then it’s all ok? I hope all gun owners read between the lines on this one. :twocents:
Post by: MADMAX on January 26, 2025, 03:45:38 PM
Post by: HUNTIN4SIX on January 26, 2025, 04:05:52 PM
“Well we need a complete list of all your firearms, sir”
No chit... and the burglar commits a crime with your firearm and the victim sues your insurance, insurance drops you. Other insurances get scared of the lawsuits and drop all gun owners...then nobody’s legal and the confiscation begins, and they now know who has guns and where they are....back to your point.
Post by: fishngamereaper on January 26, 2025, 04:09:09 PM
She doesn't know a provider that would insure guns individually....for a private party...the policy would have to be so unique it'd cost a ton just to start....
It just shows how dumb Dems are....or how evil they are..
Post by: fishngamereaper on January 26, 2025, 04:10:56 PM
“Well we need a complete list of all your firearms, sir”
They can have the list..
I'm pretty sure when they see it they'll be like ..ya hard pass on that guy :chuckle:
Besides...the local guys are smart enough to avoid me ..
Post by: HUNTIN4SIX on January 26, 2025, 04:13:01 PM
My friend is a broker and she has no idea how one would even comply with this Hitler style requirement..
She doesn't know a provider that would insure guns individually....for a private party...the policy would have to be so unique it'd cost a ton just to start....
It just shows how dumb Dems are....or how evil they are..
Can’t get insurance the I guess we’d all be criminals. I could see this passing someday, because to the masses it seems so safe and innocent.
Post by: ghosthunter on January 26, 2025, 04:18:07 PM
My friend is a broker and she has no idea how one would even comply with this Hitler style requirement..
She doesn't know a provider that would insure guns individually....for a private party...the policy would have to be so unique it'd cost a ton just to start....
It just shows how dumb Dems are....or how evil they are..
They’re nothing dumb about it. They know if they get it passed it will take years to over turn. They want to disarm us period . So law after law. Some folks will just give up. Then they come after us hard cases one at a time. It’s all planned. And so far Gun owners are losing.
Post by: CedarPants on January 26, 2025, 04:19:57 PM
Would the liability coverage of a homeowners policy and additional coverage under an umbrella policy meet the self-insured requirement of this bill?
To be clear, I'm dead set against this bill and have already reached out to my representatives. Was more just wondering out loud. I would also think if it does somehow meet the requirements, they will update the verbiage to state that you have to disclose the make and model of every single one of those 25+ guns and list them on your homeowners and umbrella policies.
(It may already state that and I just missed it)
I think if a person is already trying to figure out how their current insurance will put them in compliance we have already lost the battle. How about hell no on the bill and ALL gun owners will no comply. This bill is nefarious to its core. Even if homeowners does cover it.....then it’s all ok? I hope all gun owners read between the lines on this one. :twocents:
I'm not trying to figure out how my current insurance will put me in compliance, you're misunderstanding my thought process. I'm more wondering if the State's long term plan is to try to sneak this into homeowners and umbrella policies (and hunting license purchases, and concealed carry applications, etc).
Post by: CedarPants on January 26, 2025, 04:22:46 PM
Would the liability coverage of a homeowners policy and additional coverage under an umbrella policy meet the self-insured requirement of this bill?
To be clear, I'm dead set against this bill and have already reached out to my representatives. Was more just wondering out loud. I would also think if it does somehow meet the requirements, they will update the verbiage to state that you have to disclose the make and model of every single one of those 25+ guns and list them on your homeowners and umbrella policies.
(It may already state that and I just missed it)
My home owners covers my guns if stolen as long as there is a police report. I had safe stolen many years ago with a handgun in it. The home owners paid me three times what I paid for it, they said the gun value appreciated over time. With no serial numbers.
However I have contacted reps about this bill. And if passed I will not comply with it.
I'm with you 100% Ghost.
Post by: MADMAX on January 26, 2025, 04:27:56 PM
🥴🤣
Post by: HUNTIN4SIX on January 26, 2025, 04:31:06 PM
Would the liability coverage of a homeowners policy and additional coverage under an umbrella policy meet the self-insured requirement of this bill?
To be clear, I'm dead set against this bill and have already reached out to my representatives. Was more just wondering out loud. I would also think if it does somehow meet the requirements, they will update the verbiage to state that you have to disclose the make and model of every single one of those 25+ guns and list them on your homeowners and umbrella policies.
(It may already state that and I just missed it)
I think if a person is already trying to figure out how their current insurance will put them in compliance we have already lost the battle. How about hell no on the bill and ALL gun owners will no comply. This bill is nefarious to its core. Even if homeowners does cover it.....then it’s all ok? I hope all gun owners read between the lines on this one. :twocents:
I'm not trying to figure out how my current insurance will put me in compliance, you're misunderstanding my thought process. I'm more wondering if the State's long term plan is to try to sneak this into homeowners and umbrella policies (and hunting license purchases, and concealed carry applications, etc).
Sorry for the misunderstanding...I was a little trigger happy :chuckle:
Post by: CedarPants on January 26, 2025, 04:33:21 PM
Would the liability coverage of a homeowners policy and additional coverage under an umbrella policy meet the self-insured requirement of this bill?
To be clear, I'm dead set against this bill and have already reached out to my representatives. Was more just wondering out loud. I would also think if it does somehow meet the requirements, they will update the verbiage to state that you have to disclose the make and model of every single one of those 25+ guns and list them on your homeowners and umbrella policies.
(It may already state that and I just missed it)
I think if a person is already trying to figure out how their current insurance will put them in compliance we have already lost the battle. How about hell no on the bill and ALL gun owners will no comply. This bill is nefarious to its core. Even if homeowners does cover it.....then it’s all ok? I hope all gun owners read between the lines on this one. :twocents:
I'm not trying to figure out how my current insurance will put me in compliance, you're misunderstanding my thought process. I'm more wondering if the State's long term plan is to try to sneak this into homeowners and umbrella policies (and hunting license purchases, and concealed carry applications, etc).
Sorry for the misunderstanding...I was a little trigger happy :chuckle:
All good fine sir!
Post by: Humptulips on January 26, 2025, 04:47:35 PM
If this passes might as well move.
Post by: KNOPHISH on January 26, 2025, 04:57:12 PM
Post by: ghosthunter on January 26, 2025, 07:29:45 PM
I don't quite see how a homeowner's policy would be sufficient unless you only had one gun. It says a separate policy for each gun. You can't qualify for self-insurance unless you have at least 25 guns and then you have to basically give the State $25,000 for each gun.
If this passes might as well move.
I am not moving this late in the game at 73. I put my wife on notice. I am not complying.
If they want to throw me in jail let them. Everyday I will pee on the floor and make it as miserable as I can.If this passes firearms are getting hide. I have enough to last 30 years if they confiscated one a year, which is longer than I have on earth.
If I can’t buy a hunting license because of it ,well I guess I will be a criminal and hunt any way.
Not doing it Period.
Post by: trophyhunt on January 26, 2025, 07:38:28 PM
Post by: ghosthunter on January 26, 2025, 09:23:41 PM
Not doing it either. Curious, when is the date that this will pass? And all the other commie bills that the dems are gonna pass? We can send messages all we want to our legislatures, heck, we could send more opposed than those who support, you guys really think for a second it matters in this state??
I have been sending messages for a week. 1504 suppose to take effect 2027 if passed.
Post by: trophyhunt on January 26, 2025, 10:09:57 PM
plenty of time for me to find property out of this state. ThanksNot doing it either. Curious, when is the date that this will pass? And all the other commie bills that the dems are gonna pass? We can send messages all we want to our legislatures, heck, we could send more opposed than those who support, you guys really think for a second it matters in this state??
I have been sending messages for a week. 1504 suppose to take effect 2027 if passed.
Post by: Ghost Hunter on January 27, 2025, 06:13:00 AM
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Post by: MADMAX on January 30, 2025, 04:14:36 PM
They don’t care , that’s why they want you to contact legislative reps via bill comments