Post by: Antlershed on January 23, 2025, 10:20:49 PM
https://idfg.idaho.gov/sites/default/files/5-d-non-resident_idfg_goldsheet_jan_comm_nrtiag_rec.pdf
Post by: fishngamereaper on January 24, 2025, 06:14:40 AM
Draw system
License required
Increased cost
Decrease tags
Post by: blackpowderhunter on January 24, 2025, 06:47:27 AM
kind of a bummer as it was a fun annual trip...although at this point i may just buy my license and spring bear hunt with my buddies that live over there and toss my name in for elk.
Post by: bustedoldman on January 24, 2025, 07:05:37 AM
Post by: Mtnwalker on January 24, 2025, 07:14:35 AM
Post by: Magnum_Willys on January 24, 2025, 08:32:10 AM
Post by: bearpaw on January 24, 2025, 08:38:33 AM
Reducing non-res tags reduces revenue, the survey of residents that is recommended will gage resident acceptance to increase resident fees. The real elephant in the room is that hunters are moving to Idaho in droves and the resident hunting population is growing, its not the non-res hunting numbers that are increasing, there has been a quota on non-res hunters for decades, numbers have remained steady. It seems that if the Idaho commission reduces non-res tags then resident fees will have to increase or IDFG will have a funding shortfall. In my opinion, non-res numbers may not change if residents are not willing to pony up additional license fees, but if residents are willing to pay more its almost assured non-res tag numbers will be decreased.
Post by: bearpaw on January 24, 2025, 08:40:10 AM
I missed seeing anything about points? Probably be just fresh draw every year?
Idaho does not use points in any draws, I doubt that will change.
Post by: trophyhunt on January 24, 2025, 09:16:14 AM
Post by: redi on January 24, 2025, 09:18:26 AM
Post by: kselkhunter on January 24, 2025, 09:28:26 AM
Given the technical problems and other issues associated with how the non-resident OTC day was handled every December, I think the draw system will be more fair. Better for disabled vets, better for groups, and people unlucky to get booted out of the system and losing their place in line won't have to suffer through that anymore.
Post by: Karl Blanchard on January 24, 2025, 09:31:18 AM
This seems like a better way than the current system, used to hunt Id every year till it became a rat race. Now at least I can put in with a group and make a plan if we draw. I have a feeling drawing regular tags will be easier than drawing a special permit here in Wa. Less tags might also be good.I do. Because it means I'm hunting, not sitting around pissy because I didn't draw.
Anyone not hunting ID every year that they want to is laying in a bed they made themselves. If one refuses to adapt plans, shift methods, or make any effort at all to find opportunity then that's solely on their shoulders.
Only good of a draw system in ID is I finally get to use my "I told you so" list of folks that inevitably won't draw tags that screamed for a draw system :dunno:
Post by: trophyhunt on January 24, 2025, 09:41:04 AM
You hunt 12 different states Karl!! 😁This seems like a better way than the current system, used to hunt Id every year till it became a rat race. Now at least I can put in with a group and make a plan if we draw. I have a feeling drawing regular tags will be easier than drawing a special permit here in Wa. Less tags might also be good.I do. Because it means I'm hunting, not sitting around pissy because I didn't draw.
Anyone not hunting ID every year that they want to is laying in a bed they made themselves. If one refuses to adapt plans, shift methods, or make any effort at all to find opportunity then that's solely on their shoulders.
Only good of a draw system in ID is I finally get to use my "I told you so" list of folks that inevitably won't draw tags that screamed for a draw system :dunno:
Post by: trophyhunt on January 24, 2025, 09:44:32 AM
seriously though, if you hunt units that aren’t the most popular or under the radar, you’ll prob draw every year. Most will apply for the most popular units, maybe they will only allow 2 choices?? Idaho is just trying to fix the chit show of what used to be Dec 1This seems like a better way than the current system, used to hunt Id every year till it became a rat race. Now at least I can put in with a group and make a plan if we draw. I have a feeling drawing regular tags will be easier than drawing a special permit here in Wa. Less tags might also be good.I do. Because it means I'm hunting, not sitting around pissy because I didn't draw.
Anyone not hunting ID every year that they want to is laying in a bed they made themselves. If one refuses to adapt plans, shift methods, or make any effort at all to find opportunity then that's solely on their shoulders.
Only good of a draw system in ID is I finally get to use my "I told you so" list of folks that inevitably won't draw tags that screamed for a draw system :dunno:
Post by: Karl Blanchard on January 24, 2025, 09:46:33 AM
haha. No I apply in 12 states because that's what you have to do to get a few tags every year because they all have ever worsening draw systems.You hunt 12 different states Karl!! 😁This seems like a better way than the current system, used to hunt Id every year till it became a rat race. Now at least I can put in with a group and make a plan if we draw. I have a feeling drawing regular tags will be easier than drawing a special permit here in Wa. Less tags might also be good.I do. Because it means I'm hunting, not sitting around pissy because I didn't draw.
Anyone not hunting ID every year that they want to is laying in a bed they made themselves. If one refuses to adapt plans, shift methods, or make any effort at all to find opportunity then that's solely on their shoulders.
Only good of a draw system in ID is I finally get to use my "I told you so" list of folks that inevitably won't draw tags that screamed for a draw system :dunno:
Post by: Karl Blanchard on January 24, 2025, 09:48:47 AM
probably so but it's nice to use undesirables as backup options, not be forced to make those your primary choice. They will likely run the draw exactly like their current LE tag draw so only your first choice will matter.seriously though, if you hunt units that aren’t the most popular or under the radar, you’ll prob draw every year. Most will apply for the most popular units, maybe they will only allow 2 choices?? Idaho is just trying to fix the chit show of what used to be Dec 1This seems like a better way than the current system, used to hunt Id every year till it became a rat race. Now at least I can put in with a group and make a plan if we draw. I have a feeling drawing regular tags will be easier than drawing a special permit here in Wa. Less tags might also be good.I do. Because it means I'm hunting, not sitting around pissy because I didn't draw.
Anyone not hunting ID every year that they want to is laying in a bed they made themselves. If one refuses to adapt plans, shift methods, or make any effort at all to find opportunity then that's solely on their shoulders.
Only good of a draw system in ID is I finally get to use my "I told you so" list of folks that inevitably won't draw tags that screamed for a draw system :dunno:
Post by: CarbonHunter on January 24, 2025, 09:50:46 AM
I actually believe there may be less of a demand for the tags in a draw environment given there would be a non refundable amount for your application of nearly $200 and you don’t get a point so it’s a true lottery ticket. Especially if they don’t give refunds for the tag you draw if you change your mind. If they add that people will need to really think about what they are applying for.
Post by: Karl Blanchard on January 24, 2025, 09:53:57 AM
I think the allocation to non residents is around 12% right now and if they recalculate that number given the increase in population and increased resident hunters I would be surprised if dropping to 10% would make much of a difference. In addition when the residents see they would have to help make up the difference in revenue I believe we will see a similar amount of non resident tags.agreed. The license requirement with no point system is the only saving grace
I actually believe there may be less of a demand for the tags in a draw environment given there would be a non refundable amount for your application of nearly $200 and you don’t get a point so it’s a true lottery ticket. Especially if they don’t give refunds for the tag you draw if you change your mind. If they add that people will need to really think about what they are applying for.
Post by: CarbonHunter on January 24, 2025, 09:56:06 AM
probably so but it's nice to use undesirables as backup options, not be forced to make those your primary choice. They will likely run the draw exactly like their current LE tag draw so only your first choice will matter.seriously though, if you hunt units that aren’t the most popular or under the radar, you’ll prob draw every year. Most will apply for the most popular units, maybe they will only allow 2 choices?? Idaho is just trying to fix the chit show of what used to be Dec 1This seems like a better way than the current system, used to hunt Id every year till it became a rat race. Now at least I can put in with a group and make a plan if we draw. I have a feeling drawing regular tags will be easier than drawing a special permit here in Wa. Less tags might also be good.I do. Because it means I'm hunting, not sitting around pissy because I didn't draw.
Anyone not hunting ID every year that they want to is laying in a bed they made themselves. If one refuses to adapt plans, shift methods, or make any effort at all to find opportunity then that's solely on their shoulders.
Only good of a draw system in ID is I finally get to use my "I told you so" list of folks that inevitably won't draw tags that screamed for a draw system :dunno:
I hope they do run it exactly like their current controlled hunt draw. The idea that you want to be able to apply for the premium hunts and get a default tag if you don’t get it is exactly what screwed up Washington’s system 15 years ago. If we still had just one species application like we used to it would take us 10 points to draw a cow tag like we do now and the amount of applications per tag would be way less.
Post by: Magnum_Willys on January 24, 2025, 09:59:14 AM
Post by: Karl Blanchard on January 24, 2025, 10:00:15 AM
also agree.probably so but it's nice to use undesirables as backup options, not be forced to make those your primary choice. They will likely run the draw exactly like their current LE tag draw so only your first choice will matter.seriously though, if you hunt units that aren’t the most popular or under the radar, you’ll prob draw every year. Most will apply for the most popular units, maybe they will only allow 2 choices?? Idaho is just trying to fix the chit show of what used to be Dec 1This seems like a better way than the current system, used to hunt Id every year till it became a rat race. Now at least I can put in with a group and make a plan if we draw. I have a feeling drawing regular tags will be easier than drawing a special permit here in Wa. Less tags might also be good.I do. Because it means I'm hunting, not sitting around pissy because I didn't draw.
Anyone not hunting ID every year that they want to is laying in a bed they made themselves. If one refuses to adapt plans, shift methods, or make any effort at all to find opportunity then that's solely on their shoulders.
Only good of a draw system in ID is I finally get to use my "I told you so" list of folks that inevitably won't draw tags that screamed for a draw system :dunno:
I hope they do run it exactly like their current controlled hunt draw. The idea that you want to be able to apply for the premium hunts and get a default tag if you don’t get it is exactly what screwed up Washington’s system 15 years ago. If we still had just one species application like we used to it would take us 10 points to draw a cow tag like we do now and the amount of applications per tag would be way less.
Post by: idahohuntr on January 24, 2025, 10:05:10 AM
I think the allocation to non residents is around 12% right now and if they recalculate that number given the increase in population and increased resident hunters I would be surprised if dropping to 10% would make much of a difference. In addition when the residents see they would have to help make up the difference in revenue I believe we will see a similar amount of non resident tags.A lot of unknowns and folks will adapt I'm sure. I think the tag app/draw culture of today will long-term just turn every one of these gen. season units into higher and higher demand draws. Crazy times.
I actually believe there may be less of a demand for the tags in a draw environment given there would be a non refundable amount for your application of nearly $200 and you don’t get a point so it’s a true lottery ticket. Especially if they don’t give refunds for the tag you draw if you change your mind. If they add that people will need to really think about what they are applying for.
As far as NR tag cuts/revenue...the solution everywhere in the West has been to continually cut NR quota and raise their prices. This will be what Idaho does, guaranteed...i.e., if you cut NR tags in half, just double the remaining tag prices...no impact to residents or revenue.
Post by: Karl Blanchard on January 24, 2025, 10:08:32 AM
unfortunately you are spot on. There will always be enough people willing to pay that cost to keep the war chest full.I think the allocation to non residents is around 12% right now and if they recalculate that number given the increase in population and increased resident hunters I would be surprised if dropping to 10% would make much of a difference. In addition when the residents see they would have to help make up the difference in revenue I believe we will see a similar amount of non resident tags.A lot of unknowns and folks will adapt I'm sure. I think the tag app/draw culture of today will long-term just turn every one of these gen. season units into higher and higher demand draws. Crazy times.
I actually believe there may be less of a demand for the tags in a draw environment given there would be a non refundable amount for your application of nearly $200 and you don’t get a point so it’s a true lottery ticket. Especially if they don’t give refunds for the tag you draw if you change your mind. If they add that people will need to really think about what they are applying for.
As far as NR tag cuts/revenue...the solution everywhere in the West has been to continually cut NR quota and raise their prices. This will be what Idaho does, guaranteed...i.e., if you cut NR tags in half, just double the remaining tag prices...no impact to residents or revenue.
Post by: blackpowderhunter on January 24, 2025, 10:16:38 AM
i'd put money that a large majority of idaho residents dont know what a non res license/tag costs.
id also put money that they don't know that non resident tag sales accounts for around 60% of their departments revenue.
id also put money on the fact that they cant understand that a majority of the increased pressure is actually from RESIDENTS who have moved there.
( I say all of these things after having conversations with my idaho resident buddies at elk camp over dinner last year)
anyways, rant over. i'll be spring bear hunting and elk hunting at least this year ...my odds may not be that bad since i hunt the lowly panhandle :chuckle:
Post by: fishngamereaper on January 24, 2025, 10:19:57 AM
It's unfortunate but it was coming sooner or later.
We all wish they would of started with baby steps and small tweaks to the current system..
And they'll definitely off set loss of revenue with increased tag prices..
Be interesting to see how they , if they adopt it ...set up the draw system. 2 options, 4 options...
I think most of us hunt as group's so applying as a group seems like the most reasonable thing to do.. otherwise one guy might get drawn for 39 and another for 45..etc..
Guna suck for my hunting buddies trying to draw tags when I get my resident status :chuckle:
Post by: James on January 24, 2025, 10:39:24 AM
Post by: Dhoey07 on January 24, 2025, 11:11:41 AM
I would hate being out the $200 bucks for not drawing but it would make it a little better odds if you put in for deer and elk.
Post by: 2MANY on January 24, 2025, 11:50:07 AM
Totally agree with some of Karl's first statements.
This sucks Idaho Sheep Fuzz!!!!!!!
Don't worry for those of you that requested this you will get to apply every year in the first western state draw just like All the other folks in the world.
Unbelievable how this world continues to cater to the lazy.
Congrats!
Post by: Feathernfurr on January 24, 2025, 11:56:10 AM
Post by: Broomd on January 24, 2025, 12:11:23 PM
I don’t blame Idaho residents for feeling the way they do. I also guarantee most of them know the cost of non resident tags, most of them buy second tags when they go back on sale for residents at the non resident rate. I’d bet the majority of them would be willing to pay double their current rates to not see non residents at the trailhead. I think a draw solves most people’s complaints of the online system crashing or of residents buying up all the non residents tags for friends at in person sales locations. If that doesn’t satisfy non residents then move and become residents. With that being said, don’t move, Idaho is better off the way it was without all the people that have moved there since covid 😂
'Yep' to much of this...states that haven't completely destroyed their own resources with stupidity and woke nonsense are ultimately going to get paid for their diligence. It's a unique opportunity in the era we live in.
Just seeing the word "Idaho" in so many of the threads on this page is stunning--this on the "Hunt Washington" forum. Unbelievable.
Post by: baldopepper on January 24, 2025, 12:32:36 PM
Post by: Feathernfurr on January 24, 2025, 12:40:45 PM
I don’t blame Idaho residents for feeling the way they do. I also guarantee most of them know the cost of non resident tags, most of them buy second tags when they go back on sale for residents at the non resident rate. I’d bet the majority of them would be willing to pay double their current rates to not see non residents at the trailhead. I think a draw solves most people’s complaints of the online system crashing or of residents buying up all the non residents tags for friends at in person sales locations. If that doesn’t satisfy non residents then move and become residents. With that being said, don’t move, Idaho is better off the way it was without all the people that have moved there since covid 😂
'Yep' to much of this...states that haven't completely destroyed their own resources with stupidity and woke nonsense are ultimately going to get paid for their diligence. It's a unique opportunity in the era we live in.
Just seeing the word "Idaho" in so many of the threads on this page is stunning--this on the "Hunt Washington" forum. Unbelievable.
Agree. I was shocked when I joined this forum to see how much Idaho was referenced here. Hate to say it wasn’t surprised when I saw the pie chart for license sales that pointed to 15% of Idaho tags being sold to Washington residents. I genuinely feel bad for Washington residents that have seen their hunting and fishing ruined in the last few decades. I don’t mean this personally, I am sure Washington hunters are great guys, but my new saying since moving here is that the biggest threat to Idaho and Montana hunting, is Washington residents.
Post by: baldopepper on January 24, 2025, 12:56:02 PM
Post by: Karl Blanchard on January 24, 2025, 01:10:59 PM
I'd love to hear some elaboration on that theory. With tags Quotas for NR in both those states I don't see how there could be a threat :dunno: even if every NR tag went to a WA resident, there's still the same number of NR hunting those states. Or the other way around where not a single WA resident gets a NR tag in those states. There's still the same number of NR hunting that state.I don’t blame Idaho residents for feeling the way they do. I also guarantee most of them know the cost of non resident tags, most of them buy second tags when they go back on sale for residents at the non resident rate. I’d bet the majority of them would be willing to pay double their current rates to not see non residents at the trailhead. I think a draw solves most people’s complaints of the online system crashing or of residents buying up all the non residents tags for friends at in person sales locations. If that doesn’t satisfy non residents then move and become residents. With that being said, don’t move, Idaho is better off the way it was without all the people that have moved there since covid 😂
'Yep' to much of this...states that haven't completely destroyed their own resources with stupidity and woke nonsense are ultimately going to get paid for their diligence. It's a unique opportunity in the era we live in.
Just seeing the word "Idaho" in so many of the threads on this page is stunning--this on the "Hunt Washington" forum. Unbelievable.
Agree. I was shocked when I joined this forum to see how much Idaho was referenced here. Hate to say it wasn’t surprised when I saw the pie chart for license sales that pointed to 15% of Idaho tags being sold to Washington residents. I genuinely feel bad for Washington residents that have seen their hunting and fishing ruined in the last few decades. I don’t mean this personally, I am sure Washington hunters are great guys, but my new saying since moving here is that the biggest threat to Idaho and Montana hunting, is Washington residents.
This leads back to the issue of a majority of residents in ID and other states have zero clue about how these draws and Quotas work. Ive been listening to the same points of contention from residents in all these states several decades now and they all stem from lack of understanding. Guarantee if you ask almost any ID resident how they feel about the ever growing NR hunting pressure they'd go on and on about how it's out of control and there's just getting to be too many. Rare would be the guy that would say " what are you talking about there's been roughly the same amount of NR tags for 30 years."
Post by: huntnnw on January 24, 2025, 01:11:30 PM
I don’t blame Idaho residents for feeling the way they do. I also guarantee most of them know the cost of non resident tags, most of them buy second tags when they go back on sale for residents at the non resident rate. I’d bet the majority of them would be willing to pay double their current rates to not see non residents at the trailhead. I think a draw solves most people’s complaints of the online system crashing or of residents buying up all the non residents tags for friends at in person sales locations. If that doesn’t satisfy non residents then move and become residents. With that being said, don’t move, Idaho is better off the way it was without all the people that have moved there since covid 😂
'Yep' to much of this...states that haven't completely destroyed their own resources with stupidity and woke nonsense are ultimately going to get paid for their diligence. It's a unique opportunity in the era we live in.
Just seeing the word "Idaho" in so many of the threads on this page is stunning--this on the "Hunt Washington" forum. Unbelievable.
Agree. I was shocked when I joined this forum to see how much Idaho was referenced here. Hate to say it wasn’t surprised when I saw the pie chart for license sales that pointed to 15% of Idaho tags being sold to Washington residents. I genuinely feel bad for Washington residents that have seen their hunting and fishing ruined in the last few decades. I don’t mean this personally, I am sure Washington hunters are great guys, but my new saying since moving here is that the biggest threat to Idaho and Montana hunting, is Washington residents.
Myself and a ton of others I know have been buying Idaho tags for decades that live on the Idaho border, you have almost a million people in Spokane county and if you like to hunt it’s easier to hunt Idaho and better.
Post by: Mtnwalker on January 24, 2025, 01:16:05 PM
I don’t blame Idaho residents for feeling the way they do. I also guarantee most of them know the cost of non resident tags, most of them buy second tags when they go back on sale for residents at the non resident rate. I’d bet the majority of them would be willing to pay double their current rates to not see non residents at the trailhead. I think a draw solves most people’s complaints of the online system crashing or of residents buying up all the non residents tags for friends at in person sales locations. If that doesn’t satisfy non residents then move and become residents. With that being said, don’t move, Idaho is better off the way it was without all the people that have moved there since covid 😂
'Yep' to much of this...states that haven't completely destroyed their own resources with stupidity and woke nonsense are ultimately going to get paid for their diligence. It's a unique opportunity in the era we live in.
Just seeing the word "Idaho" in so many of the threads on this page is stunning--this on the "Hunt Washington" forum. Unbelievable.
Unbelievable that the state next door to us is the 2nd most talked about state on the forum?
Post by: boneaddict on January 24, 2025, 01:20:51 PM
Post by: blackpowderhunter on January 24, 2025, 01:25:37 PM
oh you mean in the out of state hunting section of the forum? how odd :chuckle:I don’t blame Idaho residents for feeling the way they do. I also guarantee most of them know the cost of non resident tags, most of them buy second tags when they go back on sale for residents at the non resident rate. I’d bet the majority of them would be willing to pay double their current rates to not see non residents at the trailhead. I think a draw solves most people’s complaints of the online system crashing or of residents buying up all the non residents tags for friends at in person sales locations. If that doesn’t satisfy non residents then move and become residents. With that being said, don’t move, Idaho is better off the way it was without all the people that have moved there since covid 😂
'Yep' to much of this...states that haven't completely destroyed their own resources with stupidity and woke nonsense are ultimately going to get paid for their diligence. It's a unique opportunity in the era we live in.
Just seeing the word "Idaho" in so many of the threads on this page is stunning--this on the "Hunt Washington" forum. Unbelievable.
Unbelievable that the state next door to us is the 2nd most talked about state on the forum?
Post by: Feathernfurr on January 24, 2025, 01:57:05 PM
I'd love to hear some elaboration on that theory. With tags Quotas for NR in both those states I don't see how there could be a threat :dunno: even if every NR tag went to a WA resident, there's still the same number of NR hunting those states. Or the other way around where not a single WA resident gets a NR tag in those states. There's still the same number of NR hunting that state.I don’t blame Idaho residents for feeling the way they do. I also guarantee most of them know the cost of non resident tags, most of them buy second tags when they go back on sale for residents at the non resident rate. I’d bet the majority of them would be willing to pay double their current rates to not see non residents at the trailhead. I think a draw solves most people’s complaints of the online system crashing or of residents buying up all the non residents tags for friends at in person sales locations. If that doesn’t satisfy non residents then move and become residents. With that being said, don’t move, Idaho is better off the way it was without all the people that have moved there since covid 😂
'Yep' to much of this...states that haven't completely destroyed their own resources with stupidity and woke nonsense are ultimately going to get paid for their diligence. It's a unique opportunity in the era we live in.
Just seeing the word "Idaho" in so many of the threads on this page is stunning--this on the "Hunt Washington" forum. Unbelievable.
Agree. I was shocked when I joined this forum to see how much Idaho was referenced here. Hate to say it wasn’t surprised when I saw the pie chart for license sales that pointed to 15% of Idaho tags being sold to Washington residents. I genuinely feel bad for Washington residents that have seen their hunting and fishing ruined in the last few decades. I don’t mean this personally, I am sure Washington hunters are great guys, but my new saying since moving here is that the biggest threat to Idaho and Montana hunting, is Washington residents.
This leads back to the issue of a majority of residents in ID and other states have zero clue about how these draws and Quotas work. Ive been listening to the same points of contention from residents in all these states several decades now and they all stem from lack of understanding. Guarantee if you ask almost any ID resident how they feel about the ever growing NR hunting pressure they'd go on and on about how it's out of control and there's just getting to be too many. Rare would be the guy that would say " what are you talking about there's been roughly the same amount of NR tags for 30 years."
I think the problem to some degree is not the number so much as the individuals. Washington has the largest state population of neighboring states by far. It also has the most left leaning politics, and has been exposed to the poorest game management techniques. As I said, I’m not trying to speak ill of others, but of the non resident states that are most likely to buy tags in Idaho, you’d prefer for the demographic to be that of people with similar mindsets, morals, views etc… Not to mention individuals who have been under the strictest/poorest conditions are likely to be the ones most likely to swing in the opposite direction when given the opportunity. I’m not sure if that makes sense, and I don’t feel like being long winded today lol. I just see a huge difference in personality type and mentality towards hunting both on this site and in person in comparison to what I saw and knew locally as a resident of Idaho for ~ a decade. Obviously I have zero data to back this up, just what I see in my personal experiences.
Post by: Feathernfurr on January 24, 2025, 02:03:12 PM
I don’t blame Idaho residents for feeling the way they do. I also guarantee most of them know the cost of non resident tags, most of them buy second tags when they go back on sale for residents at the non resident rate. I’d bet the majority of them would be willing to pay double their current rates to not see non residents at the trailhead. I think a draw solves most people’s complaints of the online system crashing or of residents buying up all the non residents tags for friends at in person sales locations. If that doesn’t satisfy non residents then move and become residents. With that being said, don’t move, Idaho is better off the way it was without all the people that have moved there since covid 😂
'Yep' to much of this...states that haven't completely destroyed their own resources with stupidity and woke nonsense are ultimately going to get paid for their diligence. It's a unique opportunity in the era we live in.
Just seeing the word "Idaho" in so many of the threads on this page is stunning--this on the "Hunt Washington" forum. Unbelievable.
Agree. I was shocked when I joined this forum to see how much Idaho was referenced here. Hate to say it wasn’t surprised when I saw the pie chart for license sales that pointed to 15% of Idaho tags being sold to Washington residents. I genuinely feel bad for Washington residents that have seen their hunting and fishing ruined in the last few decades. I don’t mean this personally, I am sure Washington hunters are great guys, but my new saying since moving here is that the biggest threat to Idaho and Montana hunting, is Washington residents.
Myself and a ton of others I know have been buying Idaho tags for decades that live on the Idaho border, you have almost a million people in Spokane county and if you like to hunt it’s easier to hunt Idaho and better.
I totally understand, and am sure I would likely do something similar given the circumstances. I suppose the question I pose is, why not just move over the line? I’m sure some circumstances can’t be changed (career/kids/family/school). Surely you can see the frustration though right? I don’t know of many northwest Idaho guys hopping into Washington to hunt. You could move over the line, support the state you prefer to recreate in as a resident, and just as easily commute to Washington in a sense. I’m sure this analogy isn’t perfect, but it’s like neighbors. It would frustrate the piss out of you if the neighbors yard was a mess, and he constantly came over to your yard to hang out and take things from your yard without giving anything of true value back.
Post by: Mtnwalker on January 24, 2025, 02:08:02 PM
I don’t blame Idaho residents for feeling the way they do. I also guarantee most of them know the cost of non resident tags, most of them buy second tags when they go back on sale for residents at the non resident rate. I’d bet the majority of them would be willing to pay double their current rates to not see non residents at the trailhead. I think a draw solves most people’s complaints of the online system crashing or of residents buying up all the non residents tags for friends at in person sales locations. If that doesn’t satisfy non residents then move and become residents. With that being said, don’t move, Idaho is better off the way it was without all the people that have moved there since covid 😂
'Yep' to much of this...states that haven't completely destroyed their own resources with stupidity and woke nonsense are ultimately going to get paid for their diligence. It's a unique opportunity in the era we live in.
Just seeing the word "Idaho" in so many of the threads on this page is stunning--this on the "Hunt Washington" forum. Unbelievable.
Agree. I was shocked when I joined this forum to see how much Idaho was referenced here. Hate to say it wasn’t surprised when I saw the pie chart for license sales that pointed to 15% of Idaho tags being sold to Washington residents. I genuinely feel bad for Washington residents that have seen their hunting and fishing ruined in the last few decades. I don’t mean this personally, I am sure Washington hunters are great guys, but my new saying since moving here is that the biggest threat to Idaho and Montana hunting, is Washington residents.
Myself and a ton of others I know have been buying Idaho tags for decades that live on the Idaho border, you have almost a million people in Spokane county and if you like to hunt it’s easier to hunt Idaho and better.
I totally understand, and am sure I would likely do something similar given the circumstances. I suppose the question I pose is, why not just move over the line? I’m sure some circumstances can’t be changed (career/kids/family/school). Surely you can see the frustration though right? I don’t know of many northwest Idaho guys hopping into Washington to hunt. You could move over the line, support the state you prefer to recreate in as a resident, and just as easily commute to Washington in a sense. I’m sure this analogy isn’t perfect, but it’s like neighbors. It would frustrate the piss out of you if the neighbors yard was a mess, and he constantly came over to your yard to hang out and take things from your yard without giving anything of true value back.
The irony here is moving to Idaho to hunt it as a resident is putting more strain on the system than hunting it as a non-resident from WA.
Post by: Feathernfurr on January 24, 2025, 02:12:01 PM
I don’t blame Idaho residents for feeling the way they do. I also guarantee most of them know the cost of non resident tags, most of them buy second tags when they go back on sale for residents at the non resident rate. I’d bet the majority of them would be willing to pay double their current rates to not see non residents at the trailhead. I think a draw solves most people’s complaints of the online system crashing or of residents buying up all the non residents tags for friends at in person sales locations. If that doesn’t satisfy non residents then move and become residents. With that being said, don’t move, Idaho is better off the way it was without all the people that have moved there since covid 😂
'Yep' to much of this...states that haven't completely destroyed their own resources with stupidity and woke nonsense are ultimately going to get paid for their diligence. It's a unique opportunity in the era we live in.
Just seeing the word "Idaho" in so many of the threads on this page is stunning--this on the "Hunt Washington" forum. Unbelievable.
Agree. I was shocked when I joined this forum to see how much Idaho was referenced here. Hate to say it wasn’t surprised when I saw the pie chart for license sales that pointed to 15% of Idaho tags being sold to Washington residents. I genuinely feel bad for Washington residents that have seen their hunting and fishing ruined in the last few decades. I don’t mean this personally, I am sure Washington hunters are great guys, but my new saying since moving here is that the biggest threat to Idaho and Montana hunting, is Washington residents.
Myself and a ton of others I know have been buying Idaho tags for decades that live on the Idaho border, you have almost a million people in Spokane county and if you like to hunt it’s easier to hunt Idaho and better.
I totally understand, and am sure I would likely do something similar given the circumstances. I suppose the question I pose is, why not just move over the line? I’m sure some circumstances can’t be changed (career/kids/family/school). Surely you can see the frustration though right? I don’t know of many northwest Idaho guys hopping into Washington to hunt. You could move over the line, support the state you prefer to recreate in as a resident, and just as easily commute to Washington in a sense. I’m sure this analogy isn’t perfect, but it’s like neighbors. It would frustrate the piss out of you if the neighbors yard was a mess, and he constantly came over to your yard to hang out and take things from your yard without giving anything of true value back.
The irony here is moving to Idaho to hunt it as a resident is putting more strain on the system than hunting it as a non-resident from WA.
Agreed, it’s a double edge sword. I don’t like it either way haha. The real answer is we just wanted Idaho to stay the way it was. Less people moving in, less people coming to hunt and then broadcasting it so more people did it. It’s not anyone’s fault per se, it’s just the times and society. In reality though, if you’re one of the ones that lives on the border and already hunting Idaho, you might as well move on over. What we don’t want is you moving to the other areas of Idaho where you didn’t recreate before 😂
Post by: Mtnwalker on January 24, 2025, 04:09:22 PM
Agreed, it’s a double edge sword. I don’t like it either way haha. The real answer is we just wanted Idaho to stay the way it was. Less people moving in, less people coming to hunt and then broadcasting it so more people did it. It’s not anyone’s fault per se, it’s just the times and society. In reality though, if you’re one of the ones that lives on the border and already hunting Idaho, you might as well move on over. What we don’t want is you moving to the other areas of Idaho where you didn’t recreate before 😂
Are you born and raised Idahoan? Your profile says W Wa but you seem to be speaking on behalf of Idaho residents. I'm confused how encouraging all of the state-liners who already hunt ID to move over and become residents, therefore buying more unlimited resident tags and making room for new non-residents to fill their spot in the NR quota would help the situation any?
Post by: elkboy on January 24, 2025, 04:15:32 PM
Post by: Feathernfurr on January 24, 2025, 05:00:27 PM
Agreed, it’s a double edge sword. I don’t like it either way haha. The real answer is we just wanted Idaho to stay the way it was. Less people moving in, less people coming to hunt and then broadcasting it so more people did it. It’s not anyone’s fault per se, it’s just the times and society. In reality though, if you’re one of the ones that lives on the border and already hunting Idaho, you might as well move on over. What we don’t want is you moving to the other areas of Idaho where you didn’t recreate before 😂
Are you born and raised Idahoan? Your profile says W Wa but you seem to be speaking on behalf of Idaho residents. I'm confused how encouraging all of the state-liners who already hunt ID to move over and become residents, therefore buying more unlimited resident tags and making room for new non-residents to fill their spot in the NR quota would help the situation any?
I just relocated to Washington for my wife’s job for a couple of years. Lived in Idaho for the decade prior post military service. By no means born and raised, but lived there when you could still buy a house for $120k, and land was plentiful and cheap, before everyone started moving there.
Like someone mentioned farther up the thread, the guys that are getting tags are getting them every year, and have high levels of success. Their impacts is factored in regardless, and the economic impacts are already there, housing and cost of living have already increased. So the least y’all can do if you’re gonna play in their backyard, is help take care of it. Be a part of the fight to combat vacationers and non residents that view people’s home as a playground a few weeks a year. As most have said, the non resident tags are going to decrease or be more difficult to get in years to come. If you want a say in how it goes, actually get on the side of the fight that has a dog in it year round.
Post by: Feathernfurr on January 24, 2025, 05:01:22 PM
At the rate that Idaho's winter range is filling in with houses and other development, this thread will be a moot point in a decade or so, at least for much of that state. Pains me to say it.
Unfortunately I think this is very true. If people want that lifestyle/experience in a decade or two they’re going to have to be willing to move to some places that require a lot of sacrifices in life.
Post by: idaho guy on January 24, 2025, 05:37:29 PM
I don’t blame Idaho residents for feeling the way they do. I also guarantee most of them know the cost of non resident tags, most of them buy second tags when they go back on sale for residents at the non resident rate. I’d bet the majority of them would be willing to pay double their current rates to not see non residents at the trailhead. I think a draw solves most people’s complaints of the online system crashing or of residents buying up all the non residents tags for friends at in person sales locations. If that doesn’t satisfy non residents then move and become residents. With that being said, don’t move, Idaho is better off the way it was without all the people that have moved there since covid 😂
'Yep' to much of this...states that haven't completely destroyed their own resources with stupidity and woke nonsense are ultimately going to get paid for their diligence. It's a unique opportunity in the era we live in.
Just seeing the word "Idaho" in so many of the threads on this page is stunning--this on the "Hunt Washington" forum. Unbelievable.
Agree. I was shocked when I joined this forum to see how much Idaho was referenced here. Hate to say it wasn’t surprised when I saw the pie chart for license sales that pointed to 15% of Idaho tags being sold to Washington residents. I genuinely feel bad for Washington residents that have seen their hunting and fishing ruined in the last few decades. I don’t mean this personally, I am sure Washington hunters are great guys, but my new saying since moving here is that the biggest threat to Idaho and Montana hunting, is Washington residents.
Myself and a ton of others I know have been buying Idaho tags for decades that live on the Idaho border, you have almost a million people in Spokane county and if you like to hunt it’s easier to hunt Idaho and better.
I totally understand, and am sure I would likely do something similar given the circumstances. I suppose the question I pose is, why not just move over the line? I’m sure some circumstances can’t be changed (career/kids/family/school). Surely you can see the frustration though right? I don’t know of many northwest Idaho guys hopping into Washington to hunt. You could move over the line, support the state you prefer to recreate in as a resident, and just as easily commute to Washington :yeah:in a sense. I’m sure this analogy isn’t perfect, but it’s like neighbors. It would frustrate the piss out of you if the neighbors yard was a mess, and he constantly came over to your yard to hang out and take things from your yard without giving anything of true value back.
The irony here is moving to Idaho to hunt it as a resident is putting more strain on the system than hunting it as a non-resident from WA.
This is the problem! New residents are responsible for ALL of the increased hunting pressure. Non residents have remained the same number
Post by: ipkus on January 24, 2025, 05:45:34 PM
Slob hunters are everywhere. Slob hunters hunt as non-residents everywhere.
The way all Western states continue to DECREASE the percentage of tags available for non-residents, complaining about non-resident hunters ruining anything is both futile and misplaced.
The reality is many states mismanage their game (and predator) populations and don’t restrict resident hunting.
These are the two major reasons hunting is getting more crowded and there’s less game on the landscape. All of the other things people complain about are very minor in effect. But it sure feels good to complain about it.
Post by: MADMAX on January 24, 2025, 05:46:38 PM
They sure won’t be telling residents sorry you can’t hunt here
Agree on the rest
And to add Timber companies here have locked up lots of land to the public without permits because of slobs meth and vandals
Post by: CarbonHunter on January 24, 2025, 05:48:45 PM
Post by: Feathernfurr on January 24, 2025, 06:12:11 PM
I don’t blame Idaho residents for feeling the way they do. I also guarantee most of them know the cost of non resident tags, most of them buy second tags when they go back on sale for residents at the non resident rate. I’d bet the majority of them would be willing to pay double their current rates to not see non residents at the trailhead. I think a draw solves most people’s complaints of the online system crashing or of residents buying up all the non residents tags for friends at in person sales locations. If that doesn’t satisfy non residents then move and become residents. With that being said, don’t move, Idaho is better off the way it was without all the people that have moved there since covid 😂
'Yep' to much of this...states that haven't completely destroyed their own resources with stupidity and woke nonsense are ultimately going to get paid for their diligence. It's a unique opportunity in the era we live in.
Just seeing the word "Idaho" in so many of the threads on this page is stunning--this on the "Hunt Washington" forum. Unbelievable.
Agree. I was shocked when I joined this forum to see how much Idaho was referenced here. Hate to say it wasn’t surprised when I saw the pie chart for license sales that pointed to 15% of Idaho tags being sold to Washington residents. I genuinely feel bad for Washington residents that have seen their hunting and fishing ruined in the last few decades. I don’t mean this personally, I am sure Washington hunters are great guys, but my new saying since moving here is that the biggest threat to Idaho and Montana hunting, is Washington residents.
Myself and a ton of others I know have been buying Idaho tags for decades that live on the Idaho border, you have almost a million people in Spokane county and if you like to hunt it’s easier to hunt Idaho and better.
I totally understand, and am sure I would likely do something similar given the circumstances. I suppose the question I pose is, why not just move over the line? I’m sure some circumstances can’t be changed (career/kids/family/school). Surely you can see the frustration though right? I don’t know of many northwest Idaho guys hopping into Washington to hunt. You could move over the line, support the state you prefer to recreate in as a resident, and just as easily commute to Washington :yeah:in a sense. I’m sure this analogy isn’t perfect, but it’s like neighbors. It would frustrate the piss out of you if the neighbors yard was a mess, and he constantly came over to your yard to hang out and take things from your yard without giving anything of true value back.
The irony here is moving to Idaho to hunt it as a resident is putting more strain on the system than hunting it as a non-resident from WA.
This is the problem! New residents are responsible for ALL of the increased hunting pressure. Non residents have remained the same number
Idk that I’d agree it’s ALL new residents. Consider even as recently as 5 years ago it took popular tags months to sell out at times, and many less desirable tags never sold out. Nowadays just about everything sells out for non resident. So although it may still be the same number of tags, I would argue more of them are being hunted. Sure not as impactful as new residents, but still impactful.
Post by: ipkus on January 24, 2025, 08:11:17 PM
Post by: CarbonHunter on January 24, 2025, 08:45:32 PM
If you are speaking about ID specifically, the only time they haven’t sold all or almost of their non-resident tags were the couple of years after they jacked the prices and sticker shock scared some folks away for a bit. And there are a lot more tags now that they’ve put a cap on that they didn’t use to (like late whitetail tags).
Were those the same years that wolf numbers were extremely high and the economy sucked?
Post by: blackveltbowhunter on January 24, 2025, 09:57:31 PM
I don’t blame Idaho residents for feeling the way they do. I also guarantee most of them know the cost of non resident tags, most of them buy second tags when they go back on sale for residents at the non resident rate. I’d bet the majority of them would be willing to pay double their current rates to not see non residents at the trailhead. I think a draw solves most people’s complaints of the online system crashing or of residents buying up all the non residents tags for friends at in person sales locations. If that doesn’t satisfy non residents then move and become residents. With that being said, don’t move, Idaho is better off the way it was without all the people that have moved there since covid 😂
'Yep' to much of this...states that haven't completely destroyed their own resources with stupidity and woke nonsense are ultimately going to get paid for their diligence. It's a unique opportunity in the era we live in.
Just seeing the word "Idaho" in so many of the threads on this page is stunning--this on the "Hunt Washington" forum. Unbelievable.
Agree. I was shocked when I joined this forum to see how much Idaho was referenced here. Hate to say it wasn’t surprised when I saw the pie chart for license sales that pointed to 15% of Idaho tags being sold to Washington residents. I genuinely feel bad for Washington residents that have seen their hunting and fishing ruined in the last few decades. I don’t mean this personally, I am sure Washington hunters are great guys, but my new saying since moving here is that the biggest threat to Idaho and Montana hunting, is Washington residents.
Myself and a ton of others I know have been buying Idaho tags for decades that live on the Idaho border, you have almost a million people in Spokane county and if you like to hunt it’s easier to hunt Idaho and better.
I totally understand, and am sure I would likely do something similar given the circumstances. I suppose the question I pose is, why not just move over the line? I’m sure some circumstances can’t be changed (career/kids/family/school). Surely you can see the frustration though right? I don’t know of many northwest Idaho guys hopping into Washington to hunt. You could move over the line, support the state you prefer to recreate in as a resident, and just as easily commute to Washington :yeah:in a sense. I’m sure this analogy isn’t perfect, but it’s like neighbors. It would frustrate the piss out of you if the neighbors yard was a mess, and he constantly came over to your yard to hang out and take things from your yard without giving anything of true value back.
The irony here is moving to Idaho to hunt it as a resident is putting more strain on the system than hunting it as a non-resident from WA.
This is the problem! New residents are responsible for ALL of the increased hunting pressure. Non residents have remained the same number
Idk that I’d agree it’s ALL new residents. Consider even as recently as 5 years ago it took popular tags months to sell out at times, and many less desirable tags never sold out. Nowadays just about everything sells out for non resident. So although it may still be the same number of tags, I would argue more of them are being hunted. Sure not as impactful as new residents, but still impactful.
5 years ago the system wildly changed.
Post by: 2MANY on January 24, 2025, 10:01:21 PM
What will that cost you in taxes?
Post by: BULLBLASTER on January 25, 2025, 01:33:03 PM
Live in Idaho and work in Wa????Taxes would be the least of my worries. A mortgage at 7% instead if my current 2.5% paired with the cost of homes makes it a nonstarter.
What will that cost you in taxes?
Post by: High Climber on January 25, 2025, 05:40:26 PM
Live in Idaho and work in Wa????I did it for a few months, if I remember correctly it was an extra 7% off the top
What will that cost you in taxes?
Post by: idaho guy on January 27, 2025, 09:14:14 PM
I don’t blame Idaho residents for feeling the way they do. I also guarantee most of them know the cost of non resident tags, most of them buy second tags when they go back on sale for residents at the non resident rate. I’d bet the majority of them would be willing to pay double their current rates to not see non residents at the trailhead. I think a draw solves most people’s complaints of the online system crashing or of residents buying up all the non residents tags for friends at in person sales locations. If that doesn’t satisfy non residents then move and become residents. With that being said, don’t move, Idaho is better off the way it was without all the people that have moved there since covid 😂
'Yep' to much of this...states that haven't completely destroyed their own resources with stupidity and woke nonsense are ultimately going to get paid for their diligence. It's a unique opportunity in the era we live in.
Just seeing the word "Idaho" in so many of the threads on this page is stunning--this on the "Hunt Washington" forum. Unbelievable.
Agree. I was shocked when I joined this forum to see how much Idaho was referenced here. Hate to say it wasn’t surprised when I saw the pie chart for license sales that pointed to 15% of Idaho tags being sold to Washington residents. I genuinely feel bad for Washington residents that have seen their hunting and fishing ruined in the last few decades. I don’t mean this personally, I am sure Washington hunters are great guys, but my new saying since moving here is that the biggest threat to Idaho and Montana hunting, is Washington residents.
Myself and a ton of others I know have been buying Idaho tags for decades that live on the Idaho border, you have almost a million people in Spokane county and if you like to hunt it’s easier to hunt Idaho and better.
I totally understand, and am sure I would likely do something similar given the circumstances. I suppose the question I pose is, why not just move over the line? I’m sure some circumstances can’t be changed (career/kids/family/school). Surely you can see the frustration though right? I don’t know of many northwest Idaho guys hopping into Washington to hunt. You could move over the line, support the state you prefer to recreate in as a resident, and just as easily commute to Washington :yeah:in a sense. I’m sure this analogy isn’t perfect, but it’s like neighbors. It would frustrate the piss out of you if the neighbors yard was a mess, and he constantly came over to your yard to hang out and take things from your yard without giving anything of true value back.
The irony here is moving to Idaho to hunt it as a resident is putting more strain on the system than hunting it as a non-resident from WA.
This is the problem! New residents are responsible for ALL of the increased hunting pressure. Non residents have remained the same number
Idk that I’d agree it’s ALL new residents. Consider even as recently as 5 years ago it took popular tags months to sell out at times, and many less desirable tags never sold out. Nowadays just about everything sells out for non resident. So although it may still be the same number of tags, I would argue more of them are being hunted. Sure not as impactful as new residents, but still impactful.
agree with that. I should not have said ALL. I miss the good old days when you could buy a second non res tag as a resident well into deer or elk season. The influx of new residents is definitely the majority of the crowding problem but your point makes sense.
Post by: 2MANY on January 27, 2025, 09:20:25 PM
Live in Idaho and work in Wa????I did it for a few months, if I remember correctly it was an extra 7% off the top
What will that cost you in taxes?
People don't get the tax thing.
It's a pile.
Post by: dreamingbig on January 27, 2025, 09:59:37 PM
Readers digest version....And more of the nonresident tags allocated to outfitters.
Draw system
License required
Increased cost
Decrease tags
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Post by: CarbonHunter on January 31, 2025, 08:11:01 PM
Oddly the main argument for not going to a draw by the commission was they wanted for tags to be available as OTC right up to the hunting seasons like it used to be… kind of hard to have when they are sold out 10 months before the season.
Post by: huntnnw on February 01, 2025, 12:41:05 AM
Post by: CarbonHunter on February 01, 2025, 07:43:34 AM
The main consensus was that they were handed 28 recommendations and they didn’t want to slow the process to ensure they achieved all of the recommendations. There was also discussion from a couple that they shouldn’t address the outfitter allocation at the same time and that the outfitter concerns should be handled separately. I watched the first meeting of the advisory group as well and the outfitters are in no way interested in addressing the OTC nonresident issue but only concerned with ensuring they have as many tags and opportunities for their group as possible.