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Title: Rotator Cuff repair X 2 advice needed
Post by: Wood2Sawdust on January 26, 2025, 07:36:26 PM
Has anyone had them both done in a short time? i am scheduled March 20 for left rotator Cuff tear and 4 tendon tears surgery. Now I found out right shoulder is almost as bad. Is it remotely possible to do second surgery 10 weeks after first shoulder. I'm 69 year old guy in fair physical shape who still wants to shoot a bow again every day and would like to at least rifle hunt this year. Any experiences? recovery times? Thanks to all
Title: Re: Rotator Cuff repair X 2 advice needed
Post by: trophyhunt on January 26, 2025, 07:47:56 PM
No, not possible.  I’m on week 7, it’s a miserable surgery! I’m
 55 years old and doing pretty well with my motion, but can’t lift my arm up to my waist yet.  And doctor says I’m doing really good.  He said no way should I shoot a shotgun for spring turkey, said come fall season, should be able to shoot the rifle.  My back doctor had the same surgery and said it took 2 years to get back to 100%, he was 60% at year one.  Younger guys might have it easier.  My first week was absolute hell, broken ribs were a walk in the park compared to this.  7 weeks in and still sleep is miserable, if I had two of these surgeries close together, I’d jump off a bridge.  I wish I would have waited till I retired to do one.   
Title: Re: Rotator Cuff repair X 2 advice needed
Post by: wadu1 on January 26, 2025, 08:01:40 PM
Tagging along with this post, took a nasty fall in November need right rotator cuff and knee done. Hell to get old
Title: Re: Rotator Cuff repair X 2 advice needed
Post by: JWBINX on January 26, 2025, 08:03:30 PM
You will be in a immobilizer for the first six weeks and you will be doing
a fair amount of PT.
Your right side will really be stressed, as it will be your good arm and compensating for your other side.
I had my Rotator cuff, Labrum, and Bicep tendon reattached.
My Doctor (Wendy Heusch) at Rainier Ortho in Puyallup is awesome.
She did a nerve block which really alleviated a lot of pain and reduced the need for pain meds.
I was back Skiing in 6 months, but it takes at least a full year to be close to normal.
Your Doctor will advise you properly.
Good luck.
Title: Re: Rotator Cuff repair X 2 advice needed
Post by: trophyhunt on January 26, 2025, 08:07:13 PM
I even doubt your doctor will even do both in that short time. 
Title: Re: Rotator Cuff repair X 2 advice needed
Post by: baldopepper on January 26, 2025, 08:36:58 PM
What kind of tear do have?  Partial,  complete or complete with retraction? I have a complete with retraction and shoulder specialist told me that at my age (did it at 75) surgery was not advisable.Old tendons are like trying to tie into old clothe, just likely to tear again. Did the intensive pt and have kept at it.Now 3 years later arm is about 80% with no pain. Have several friends who've gone ahead with the surgery with mixed results. Good luck with it, but 2nd opinions are not a bad idea.  Surgery is a long, intensive  recovery.


Title: Re: Rotator Cuff repair X 2 advice needed
Post by: Encore 280 on January 26, 2025, 08:53:03 PM
Went to my doc a couple months ago and said do PT before xrays or MRI so I did the PT twice a week on and off during deer and elk season. Haven't noticed much improvement.  Have an appointment with the doc tomorrow to hopefully get an MRI scheduled. I get a decent night sleep every once in awhile but it's rare. Will be 77 this year.
Title: Re: Rotator Cuff repair X 2 advice needed
Post by: trophyhunt on January 26, 2025, 09:02:05 PM
Went to my doc a couple months ago and said do PT before xrays or MRI so I did the PT twice a week on and off during deer and elk season. Haven't noticed much improvement.  Have an appointment with the doc tomorrow to hopefully get an MRI scheduled. I get a decent night sleep every once in awhile but it's rare. Will be 77 this year.
my insurance required PT before they would pay for an MRI, one day at PT and the therapist put in his notes that I needed an MRI.  Sounds like your pt place wanted the money.  Hope you don’t need surgery but I’m guessing you do. Good luck.
Title: Re: Rotator Cuff repair X 2 advice needed
Post by: Platensek-po on January 26, 2025, 09:07:55 PM
Has anyone had them both done in a short time? i am scheduled March 20 for left rotator Cuff tear and 4 tendon tears surgery. Now I found out right shoulder is almost as bad. Is it remotely possible to do second surgery 10 weeks after first shoulder. I'm 69 year old guy in fair physical shape who still wants to shoot a bow again every day and would like to at least rifle hunt this year. Any experiences? recovery times? Thanks to all

10 weeks is too soon. I wouldn’t do the other one until 6 months. Find a good physical therapy clinic. Anywhere that only offers 30-45min will not be good enough. Do your exercises 3 times a day before the surgery. Then once you start pt do them as often as you can tolerate. It will def be painful but not as bad as some suggest if you get as strong as you can prior to the surgery. If after 6 months you aren’t at least 80% of what your shoulder was prior to injury you may never recover it. Our bodies are built to move and the longer you go with limited movement the harder and worse it will be. The people who can push through the pain and get their motion back as quickly as possible do waaaay better than the complainers who won’t push themselves. I have helped many many people recover from shoulder surgeries and that’s my observation.
Title: Re: Rotator Cuff repair X 2 advice needed
Post by: trophyhunt on January 26, 2025, 10:08:37 PM
Has anyone had them both done in a short time? i am scheduled March 20 for left rotator Cuff tear and 4 tendon tears surgery. Now I found out right shoulder is almost as bad. Is it remotely possible to do second surgery 10 weeks after first shoulder. I'm 69 year old guy in fair physical shape who still wants to shoot a bow again every day and would like to at least rifle hunt this year. Any experiences? recovery times? Thanks to all

10 weeks is too soon. I wouldn’t do the other one until 6 months. Find a good physical therapy clinic. Anywhere that only offers 30-45min will not be good enough. Do your exercises 3 times a day before the surgery. Then once you start pt do them as often as you can tolerate. It will def be painful but not as bad as some suggest if you get as strong as you can prior to the surgery. If after 6 months you aren’t at least 80% of what your shoulder was prior to injury you may never recover it. Our bodies are built to move and the longer you go with limited movement the harder and worse it will be. The people who can push through the pain and get their motion back as quickly as possible do waaaay better than the complainers who won’t push themselves. I have helped many many people recover from shoulder surgeries and that’s my observation.
have you had rotator cuff surgery? 
Title: Re: Rotator Cuff repair X 2 advice needed
Post by: Skyvalhunter on January 27, 2025, 06:27:40 AM
Had a buddy do both in a short time to cut down the total time off for recovery. His  wife was a good help around the house for that time. Turned out well and splitting wood after PT
Title: Re: Rotator Cuff repair X 2 advice needed
Post by: westside bull on January 27, 2025, 06:59:03 AM
Had mine done in 2018. 10 weeks is fast but doable your going to be down and out so why not do it. You will need help with things so get it done during the winter months.
Title: Re: Rotator Cuff repair X 2 advice needed
Post by: Ghost Hunter on January 27, 2025, 07:03:38 AM
What kind of tear do have?  Partial,  complete or complete with retraction? I have a complete with retraction and shoulder specialist told me that at my age (did it at 75) surgery was not advisable.Old tendons are like trying to tie into old clothe, just likely to tear again. Did the intensive pt and have kept at it.Now 3 years later arm is about 80% with no pain. Have several friends who've gone ahead with the surgery with mixed results. Good luck with it, but 2nd opinions are not a bad idea.  Surgery is a long, intensive  recovery.


All of the above and at 71 looks like I'm going to live with it.  2nd MRI showed full tear that wasn't even on the radar with 1st MRI. Surgery not recommended, been approved for a few 15-minute sessions of PT.  Not much of a gambler when I know what the odds are, and time keeps rolling on. 
Title: Re: Rotator Cuff repair X 2 advice needed
Post by: Wood2Sawdust on January 27, 2025, 07:14:52 AM
I had my first MRI last August did PT through hunting put off surgery till March so I would be able to shovel snow and plow.  PT seemed to be making it worse. I live 5 miles up dirt private roads and need to be able to take care of things. Might have to wait a year for second one.
Title: Re: Rotator Cuff repair X 2 advice needed
Post by: baldopepper on January 27, 2025, 07:50:55 AM
I have noticed that among my friends who've had the surgery those younger, still in their 50"s or early 60,'s, and in good shape going in, had pretty good results. Those older and not in good shape, particularly  over weight, didn't fare so well. Might be a good idea to do all you can to try to be in good shape prior to surgery
Title: Re: Rotator Cuff repair X 2 advice needed
Post by: brocka on January 27, 2025, 07:53:29 AM
You will be in a immobilizer for the first six weeks and you will be doing
a fair amount of PT.
Your right side will really be stressed, as it will be your good arm and compensating for your other side.
I had my Rotator cuff, Labrum, and Bicep tendon reattached.
My Doctor (Wendy Heusch) at Rainier Ortho in Puyallup is awesome.
She did a nerve block which really alleviated a lot of pain and reduced the need for pain meds.
I was back Skiing in 6 months, but it takes at least a full year to be close to normal.
Your Doctor will advise you properly.
Good luck.

Dr. Heusch did my surgery as well on the 16th. She is great.

And to the OP, I am on week two and there is absolutely no way a guy can get both done that close together.
Title: Re: Rotator Cuff repair X 2 advice needed
Post by: trophyhunt on January 27, 2025, 08:13:10 AM
You will be in a immobilizer for the first six weeks and you will be doing
a fair amount of PT.
Your right side will really be stressed, as it will be your good arm and compensating for your other side.
I had my Rotator cuff, Labrum, and Bicep tendon reattached.
My Doctor (Wendy Heusch) at Rainier Ortho in Puyallup is awesome.
She did a nerve block which really alleviated a lot of pain and reduced the need for pain meds.
I was back Skiing in 6 months, but it takes at least a full year to be close to normal.
Your Doctor will advise you properly.
Good luck.

Dr. Heusch did my surgery as well on the 16th. She is great.

And to the OP, I am on week two and there is absolutely no way a guy can get both done that close together.
I was hoping you’d comment!
Title: Re: Rotator Cuff repair X 2 advice needed
Post by: Wood2Sawdust on January 27, 2025, 08:14:13 AM
I'm scheduled on March 20 with Dr Rossi in Wenatchee. Have a friend who had one done by him a year ago who recommended him
Title: Re: Rotator Cuff repair X 2 advice needed
Post by: trophyhunt on January 27, 2025, 11:26:33 AM
I'm scheduled on March 20 with Dr Rossi in Wenatchee. Have a friend who had one done by him a year ago who recommended him
One piece of advice from me, take your pain pills on TIME, not by pain the first few days.  I don’t like how pain pills make you feel so I took them when I felt the pain (which is pretty constant) get worse, by then it was too late.  I started taking them every 4-6 hours as recommended and it helped with the INTENSE pain. Brocka is a bit younger than me and he did the blocker, we’ve been talking and he seems to be having a little better life than I did my first week, I never took the blocker.  Maybe the blocker is better, or maybe just being younger helps??? Prepare for the SUCK!!  Hope you have a recliner to sleep in, you will need it. 
Title: Re: Rotator Cuff repair X 2 advice needed
Post by: baldopepper on January 27, 2025, 12:08:33 PM
Just kinda need to add a couple things.  If you are older (late 60s or 70+) you need to really think hard about surgery. If your tear is the result of an accident or is more of a minor tear it might be repairable. If it just kind of happened as you aged and is a massive tear you're probably wasting money and useless pain. Truth is many rotator cuff problems in older people is that the tendons just wear out.  Surgically reattching them does no good because the tendon just can't hold any longer. I would advise a really in depth conversation with your doctor about the cause of your tear. Not pointing any specific fingers, but surgery is a major profit generator for many doctors. I just have too many older friends who've done it and found no long term relief.  Good luck with whatever decision you make.

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Title: Re: Rotator Cuff repair X 2 advice needed
Post by: Platensek-po on January 27, 2025, 04:56:53 PM
Has anyone had them both done in a short time? i am scheduled March 20 for left rotator Cuff tear and 4 tendon tears surgery. Now I found out right shoulder is almost as bad. Is it remotely possible to do second surgery 10 weeks after first shoulder. I'm 69 year old guy in fair physical shape who still wants to shoot a bow again every day and would like to at least rifle hunt this year. Any experiences? recovery times? Thanks to all

10 weeks is too soon. I wouldn’t do the other one until 6 months. Find a good physical therapy clinic. Anywhere that only offers 30-45min will not be good enough. Do your exercises 3 times a day before the surgery. Then once you start pt do them as often as you can tolerate. It will def be painful but not as bad as some suggest if you get as strong as you can prior to the surgery. If after 6 months you aren’t at least 80% of what your shoulder was prior to injury you may never recover it. Our bodies are built to move and the longer you go with limited movement the harder and worse it will be. The people who can push through the pain and get their motion back as quickly as possible do waaaay better than the complainers who won’t push themselves. I have helped many many people recover from shoulder surgeries and that’s my observation.
have you had rotator cuff surgery?

Yes but i was half the OP age and it was a minor repair from a year I suffered when I was 18. I’m not saying it doesn’t hurt a lot. I’m saying I see a lot of people who say it hurts to move it and so they don’t. That’s the worse thing you can do. Having a frozen shoulder and needing a manipulation is awful. Much better to push through the pain and break up scar tissue early than to have to be put under again and have the doctor move your arm in all directions to break up the scar tissue that’s frozen your shoulder in place. I also agree that taking your meds on time is the best bet but also consider saving some of the stronger pain meds for PT. You can also take ibuprofen and Tylenol at the same time or staggered to overlap. Of course consult with your dr before following any medical advice online. Another option is turmeric or curcumin as an anti-inflammatory. I agree that having an in depth conversation with your surgeon is the best way to go. If you don’t feel comfortable with your surgeon find another. Ask people who have had shoulder surgery who they had do it and how it went. Having a good surgeon makes a big difference. I hope that whatever your choice is you get relief and can recover your shoulder as quickly as possible.
Title: Re: Rotator Cuff repair X 2 advice needed
Post by: trophyhunt on January 27, 2025, 06:16:18 PM
Yes, you have to move it right away.  My doctor gave me exercises to do a couple days after the surgery.  Had my 2nd real pt today and my motion is great.  If you don’t move it, I’ve heard it’s really bad.
Title: Re: Rotator Cuff repair X 2 advice needed
Post by: HntnFsh on January 27, 2025, 07:24:07 PM
I've had a frozen shoulder after surgury to repair a type two slap tear, torn labrum, and torn bicep muscle. Took a few anchors to reattach everything.  Absolutely sucked. Had a good massage therapist get my range of motion back. It was absolutely miserable to go through his treatments.
Title: Re: Rotator Cuff repair X 2 advice needed
Post by: trophyhunt on January 27, 2025, 07:39:10 PM
I've had a frozen shoulder after surgury to repair a type two slap tear, torn labrum, and torn bicep muscle. Took a few anchors to reattach everything.  Absolutely sucked. Had a good massage therapist get my range of motion back. It was absolutely miserable to go through his treatments.
two anchors for me, I swear its therapy just talking w people that have gone through this type of surgery, you’ll never know the pain until you go through it.  I will not have the frozen shoulder to deal with, heard about it and I’m working too hard to get it. 
Title: Re: Rotator Cuff repair X 2 advice needed
Post by: Platensek-po on January 27, 2025, 07:57:26 PM
I've had a frozen shoulder after surgury to repair a type two slap tear, torn labrum, and torn bicep muscle. Took a few anchors to reattach everything.  Absolutely sucked. Had a good massage therapist get my range of motion back. It was absolutely miserable to go through his treatments.
two anchors for me, I swear its therapy just talking w people that have gone through this type of surgery, you’ll never know the pain until you go through it.  I will not have the frozen shoulder to deal with, heard about it and I’m working too hard to get it.

Good job man! Keep at it and I swear it gets better!!! Massage definitely helps to break up some of the scar tissue as well but nothing beats movement
Title: Re: Rotator Cuff repair X 2 advice needed
Post by: trophyhunt on January 27, 2025, 08:36:40 PM
I've had a frozen shoulder after surgury to repair a type two slap tear, torn labrum, and torn bicep muscle. Took a few anchors to reattach everything.  Absolutely sucked. Had a good massage therapist get my range of motion back. It was absolutely miserable to go through his treatments.
two anchors for me, I swear its therapy just talking w people that have gone through this type of surgery, you’ll never know the pain until you go through it.  I will not have the frozen shoulder to deal with, heard about it and I’m working too hard to get it.

Good job man! Keep at it and I swear it gets better!!! Massage definitely helps to break up some of the scar tissue as well but nothing beats movement
Thanks!
Title: Re: Rotator Cuff repair X 2 advice needed
Post by: HntnFsh on January 28, 2025, 05:43:16 AM
I've had a frozen shoulder after surgery to repair a type two slap tear, torn labrum, and torn bicep muscle. Took a few anchors to reattach everything.  Absolutely sucked. Had a good massage therapist get my range of motion back. It was absolutely miserable to go through his treatments.
two anchors for me, I swear its therapy just talking w people that have gone through this type of surgery, you’ll never know the pain until you go through it.  I will not have the frozen shoulder to deal with, heard about it and I’m working too hard to get it.

Thats good. you dont want it. I worked hard to keep from getting it. Dont know why I did. I tried several options to get it freed up. The Massage therapist was a last ditch effort before manipulation. He would have me lay on my back and have somebody pull on my arm while he dug his thumb and fingers in until they cramped and then resorted to using his elbow. He would tell me."Your one tough s.o.b." I didnt feel like it. A couple times I thought I was going to pass out from the pain.
Title: Re: Rotator Cuff repair X 2 advice needed
Post by: trophyhunt on January 28, 2025, 07:16:06 AM
Good God man, that makes my arm hurt just heading about it!!
Title: Re: Rotator Cuff repair X 2 advice needed
Post by: Encore 280 on January 28, 2025, 09:18:55 AM
Went to the doc yesterday and explained things so he agreed with the MRI. So now just waiting for the MRI schedule. It'll be a relief just finding out what's going on in there. After reading what you guys are posting, surgery will be a last ditch effort but pretty much out of the question. Getting too damn old for anymore misery. I'll just deal with it.
Title: Re: Rotator Cuff repair X 2 advice needed
Post by: Ridgeratt on January 28, 2025, 09:43:52 AM
If you do get it done see if your doc will script a Polar cold ice machine it is a god, send in recovery.
If this is a L&I claim they will exhaust all the possibilities to avoid the surgery. Including a cortisone injection.
Title: Re: Rotator Cuff repair X 2 advice needed
Post by: trophyhunt on January 28, 2025, 09:54:58 AM
If you do get it done see if your doc will script a Polar cold ice machine it is a god, send in recovery.
If this is a L&I claim they will exhaust all the possibilities to avoid the surgery. Including a cortisone injection.
That ice machine is amazing!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Rotator Cuff repair X 2 advice needed
Post by: Ridgeratt on January 28, 2025, 10:03:40 AM
Beats the heck out of a bag of frozen peas.
If you are somewhat careful it can be reused with several people. My financial advisor has borrowed it twice for his wife.
Title: Re: Rotator Cuff repair X 2 advice needed
Post by: Encore 280 on January 28, 2025, 01:07:09 PM
Just googled the ice machine. Look's like a handy little device. If I end up needing one and it's during August then I'll throw in the travel trailer for the fish'n trip to Tokeland.  :tup:
Title: Re: Rotator Cuff repair X 2 advice needed
Post by: Wood2Sawdust on January 28, 2025, 03:38:48 PM
Appreciate the replies from everyone. I will talk to my Dr about the pain blocker and cold healing machine. Looks like I probably have to put off right shoulder for a year--maybe cortisone shot this year for it if possible and just deal with left one this year
Title: Re: Rotator Cuff repair X 2 advice needed
Post by: Wood2Sawdust on February 04, 2025, 09:47:09 AM
How about cortisone injections? Anybody had that help?   Also did anyone have the Polar Ice machine covered by Medicare or other insurance?
Title: Re: Rotator Cuff repair X 2 advice needed
Post by: Ridgeratt on February 04, 2025, 09:55:44 AM
Yes/Yes

Cortisone is a temporary fix. I know that the polar cool was covered by the insurance after the doc scripted it.
Title: Re: Rotator Cuff repair X 2 advice needed
Post by: Platensek-po on February 04, 2025, 10:01:03 AM
How about cortisone injections? Anybody had that help?   Also did anyone have the Polar Ice machine covered by Medicare or other insurance?

Cortisone injections will only treat the symptoms but not the root cause. As soon as it wears off you will be right back tomorrow having pain and sometimes worse. Also too much cortisone can actually destroy tissue so it can make it worse and it affects things like your blood sugar. I think it’s great if your problem is just inflammation. Otherwise it’s a waste of time.
Title: Re: Rotator Cuff repair X 2 advice needed
Post by: wadu1 on February 04, 2025, 10:10:12 AM
Here is what my Ortho Dr said about my MRI. "MRI is demonstrating evidence of subacromial impingement (bone spur) as well as high-grade partial-thickness tearing of the rotator cuff I would generally recommend surgical intervention to include subacromial decompression and rotator cuff repair."
I just don't know about surgery being an old fart!
Title: Re: Rotator Cuff repair X 2 advice needed
Post by: baldopepper on February 04, 2025, 10:36:54 AM
My neighbor lady is in her third week of recovery from rotator cuff surgery (unusual for women but she tore it after falling on some stairs) She is in her mid seventies and has had both knees replaced. She compares the pain to being at least as bad and maybe a little worse than her knee surgeries. Too early to tell if it will ultimately help, but it's taking a heavy toll on her. Wouldn't say she was in great condition before the surgery, but she was fairly active. The lack of sleep and inability to do her normal activities has got her very depressed, especially since her doctor says recovery is still a ways away.   Kind of a bummer to hear, but surgery for we older people really has to be thought thru carefully.  The risk vs reward is a much harder bet than it was when we were young.
Title: Re: Rotator Cuff repair X 2 advice needed
Post by: snit on February 04, 2025, 10:53:05 AM
I had a full shoulder replacement done on my LEFT shoulder in Dec 2023. I'm right-handed and I was back shooting trap by the end of Feb, 2024 (about 3 months, post-op). My left rotator cuff was torn in 5 places, along with 2 bone spurs and I had significant arthritis as well. We wouldn't know if I'd have a reversal until he opened me up. I was in my early my 50's, but I've had significant issues with it for over 25 years with no prior surgery, 1 cort injection (no effect) until this experience. For over a year I had to jump through the insurance "hoops" starting with an x-ray (inconclusive), then PT for multiple weeks (basically useless), to finally receive the first of several MRI's that started the process towards surgery. To the OP, I had the same surgeon as you're seeing.

After day 2 post-op I removed my sling and never wore it again (My surgeon didn't like that, but the fine print said that I could, while within the confines of my home..I work from home, and I work from my pickup..). I received a nerve-block during recovery and that was essential for my comfort, but honestly, that was the only "real pain" I ever encountered. As mentioned prior, I did stay on a regulated pain med schedule for 2-weeks, but after that, it was basically large doses of Ibu/tylenol (if I remember correctly?). For the 1st 6 months, occasionally I'd get a twinge or sharp "nerve pain" in the shoulder area, but nothing too awful (never mentioned it, just figured nerves were re-connecting). It was just random and was very short term. Prior to surgery, at best I could get my arm to 90-degrees, within a month post-op I could get my arm to go vertical.

I was SUPER careful with my arm for the first couple of months, but the surgeon did a fantastic job, and I started PT about 5 weeks later and I could already raise it vertically (10 days later than planned due to a scheduling snafu). I only had 5 PT visits, over 5 weeks and the PT guy said to continue at my own pace as I happened to be so far advanced that he wasn't worried about me. I've continued to just be amazed at my outcome, (as was my Dr). I've just been very fortunate that I had a great Dr. with no side effects or infection. I didn't use a cooling machine or any other devices except for a few ice packs wrapped in a towel the first couple of days. I'm just a middle-aged dad, not a health nut or gym rat, who happened to get lucky. Best of luck with your procedure...you've got the best surgeon in The Valley, IMO!
Title: Re: Rotator Cuff repair X 2 advice needed
Post by: Wood2Sawdust on February 04, 2025, 11:32:09 AM
I appreciate you telling me all that. I plan on the nerve blocker and ice therapy  for my left shoulder. The right shoulder will have to wait. That one I was going to ask the Dr about cortisone. I miss shooting my bow every day and hope to recover enough to bow hunt someday. I've only been shooting 53 lbs the last few years. Thanks to all.
Title: Re: Rotator Cuff repair X 2 advice needed
Post by: Wood2Sawdust on February 25, 2025, 08:21:02 PM
Went back to Dr today for my better shoulder. As of now scheduled for left shoulder (the worst one) rotator cuff and tendon repairs etc. April 2.  Start PT after 4 weeks.  After MRI on right shoulder he recommends surgery sooner than later-- one complete tear with retraction and some other tears. Scheduled for that one July 7 as of now but may decide differently after the first one.  He thought it could be done in as little as 2 months after the first one. Will be getting the blocker and Polar Cold machine. I talked with my buddy who did this last year with the same Dr and he said he could have done a second  that soon but did not need it.  How are Brocka and Trophyhunt doing with recovery? Also Snit--Are you fully recovered now? Thanks to all once again. 
Title: Re: Rotator Cuff repair X 2 advice needed
Post by: ghosthunter on February 25, 2025, 08:28:55 PM
My buddy had it done in November 24. Still cannot lift is arm above his nipple with out using other arm.

Good luck
Title: Re: Rotator Cuff repair X 2 advice needed
Post by: trophyhunt on February 25, 2025, 09:47:18 PM
Hope it goes well for you!  I’m at week 12 this Friday, infact, Friday I go back to work.  With two anchors done and several PT appointments, and doing my own PT at home, my doctor said last Friday that I’m two weeks behind.  My motion is good doing the hitler salute, but I can’t raise my arm up off to the side yet, only about as high as my waist.  Really gonna push it this week and the next couple.  It’s been hard, painful at times.  Finally got good sleep after the 10-11 week, I think that’s the worst part, minus the first 3-4 days of hell.   Broka is doing much better than I did, but he is a bit younger than me!!   
Title: Re: Rotator Cuff repair X 2 advice needed
Post by: Ridgeratt on February 25, 2025, 10:20:16 PM
You didn't mention if you have any weather related symptoms.
I can tell when the weather is going to change.  Like I have said.  I can guess your age, weight and perhaps where you were born.
Title: Re: Rotator Cuff repair X 2 advice needed
Post by: trophyhunt on February 26, 2025, 06:12:09 AM
I think age makes a big difference, I’m 55, and we know it takes longer to heal with age. 
Title: Re: Rotator Cuff repair X 2 advice needed
Post by: brocka on February 26, 2025, 06:40:14 AM
Went back to Dr today for my better shoulder. As of now scheduled for left shoulder (the worst one) rotator cuff and tendon repairs etc. April 2.  Start PT after 4 weeks.  After MRI on right shoulder he recommends surgery sooner than later-- one complete tear with retraction and some other tears. Scheduled for that one July 7 as of now but may decide differently after the first one.  He thought it could be done in as little as 2 months after the first one. Will be getting the blocker and Polar Cold machine. I talked with my buddy who did this last year with the same Dr and he said he could have done a second  that soon but did not need it.  How are Brocka and Trophyhunt doing with recovery? Also Snit--Are you fully recovered now? Thanks to all once again.

Today is my 6 week post op appointment to evaluate. I have about 95% of my range of motion back so far. That is out front and out to the side. I cannot lift anything with it, but my range is back. My PT says that I am really far ahead of where I should be at 6 weeks. We will see what my surgeon says today but I attribute it to a few things.

First is my age, I am 35. Second would be the fact that I only had one "heavy duty" anchor and not multiple. Third would be I am doing PT 7 days a week. I go to 2 days at a facility then the other days I go to my gym and do 30 minutes of shoulder movements that my PT gave me on top of a work out of some sort (heavily modified to not use my left arm at all). I also started doing BPC-157 injections on Jan. 7th (surgery was Jan. 16th). I don't have anything to compare it to, but I have to think that is playing a part in the recovery as well. Another thing to consider is that I found out I needed surgery last spring, but we had our second baby due in June and I didn't want leave wife to deal with that solo since I knew I wouldn't be able to use my arm. I pushed the surgery out to January and went to PT a couple of times to learn how to strengthen all the muscles around my RC and then did them every day until surgery. My surgeon said that when she got in there, everything looked great and the tear had not progressed any like they thought it would by pushing the surgery out several months. This was because of the work I did to strengthen everything in my shoulder.

Let me know if you have any questions about my recovery and I will answer to the best of my ability.
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Post by: Wood2Sawdust on February 26, 2025, 07:26:11 AM
Brocka--what is a BPC-157 injection?  I also put off my surgery, which probably made both arms worse. I live 5 miles up dirt road and needed to be able to plow and shovel snow which did not help. Also a reason to get second shoulder done before next winter if first one goes ok. We will see, I'm 69 and I'm a workaholic I've been told, it's driving me crazy not being able to do my usual work around my 40 acres.
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Post by: brocka on February 26, 2025, 07:53:54 AM
Brocka--what is a BPC-157 injection?  I also put off my surgery, which probably made both arms worse. I live 5 miles up dirt road and needed to be able to plow and shovel snow which did not help. Also a reason to get second shoulder done before next winter if first one goes ok. We will see, I'm 69 and I'm a workaholic I've been told, it's driving me crazy not being able to do my usual work around my 40 acres.

Here is a good link explaining what BPC-157 is for. I asked my surgeon about it, and she told me she doesn't recommend it, which makes sense as they are not FDA approved and for liability sake, I get it. However, I did enough research to make the decision to use them. My wife is a Nurse Practitioner and does the injections on me daily. If you decide to go that route, be careful as there are alot of bull crap companies. I can send you exactly what I buy. The company is vetted and legit.

https://cimahealth.com/what-is-bpc-157/

I am work-a-holic as well, and that has honestly been the hardest part. You will not be able to do anything on your 40 acres until you are fully healed and cleared by your surgeon without risking re-injury or compromising the original surgery. I know that is not what you want to hear, but that is the bottom line. I am being serious when I say that unloading the dishwasher is probably doing too much if not cleared by your doctor. My surgeon told me a story, she had a patient that loved to golf. Got the surgery, recovered well, was progressing nicely and he felt great. At 4 months he had no pain, full range of motion, etc. Decided to try and swing a club. One swing and he pulled the anchors from his humerus. Back under the knife with 4 months wasted.
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Post by: jeffro on February 26, 2025, 08:13:37 AM
Had my left done last year, supposed to be a simple laser job…
I now have a 4 inch scar and a semi functional shoulder
New doc seems to think he’s better?
Simple procedure, right?
Can I learn to be left handed for 6 months?
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Post by: brocka on February 26, 2025, 10:05:12 AM
Had my left done last year, supposed to be a simple laser job…
I now have a 4 inch scar and a semi functional shoulder
New doc seems to think he’s better?
Simple procedure, right?
Can I learn to be left handed for 6 months?

I am not familiar with a rotator cuff repair being done with a laser? Also a 4" scar is gnarly. I have four little tiny incision marks that you can barely see.
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Post by: Wood2Sawdust on February 26, 2025, 04:24:00 PM
Anybody--were you able to still use your better arm while the other was in a sling? Could you hold anything light such as a book or remote in the hand that is in the sling? How long before you could drive? or walk a mile or so?
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Post by: Ridgeratt on February 26, 2025, 05:03:16 PM
 :chuckle: :chuckle:
They are going to put 2 or 3 small incisions in your shoulder. The goal is to get you moving as soon as possible. The very next day after surgery you start PT. The very last thing you want to end up with frozen shoulder. You will still have the range of motion of your fingers so you will be able to move your didgets. I don't think you will have any problem walking. As long as you aren't driving a stick you should be able to drive if you can steer with one hand. They will do the surgery and pat you on your bottom and send you home to convalesce. Your recliner will be your best friend.

You may struggle with the levers on your tractor and hooking up implements. But that's what the neighbor kid is for.
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Post by: brocka on February 26, 2025, 05:29:30 PM
Anybody--were you able to still use your better arm while the other was in a sling? Could you hold anything light such as a book or remote in the hand that is in the sling? How long before you could drive? or walk a mile or so?

Yes, you will be able to use your non injured arm just fine, You can hold a book or remote in your sling hand. You have full mobility of you wrist. You just cant move your shoulder/bicep or move your forearm off your body. I drove after a week and I walked a mile after day 2.
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Post by: wadu1 on February 26, 2025, 06:38:01 PM
Anybody--were you able to still use your better arm while the other was in a sling? Could you hold anything light such as a book or remote in the hand that is in the sling? How long before you could drive? or walk a mile or so?

Yes, you will be able to use your non injured arm just fine, You can hold a book or remote in your sling hand. You have full mobility of you wrist. You just cant move your shoulder/bicep or move your forearm off your body. I drove after a week and I walked a mile after day 2.

I need my right shoulder done. I use my right arm to get into my big truck and my little truck is a stick shift. How will that work out? I'm using Voltaren right now and it's helping a lot, I just don't know.
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Post by: trophyhunt on February 26, 2025, 07:46:30 PM
I had two anchors, my arm was in a sling for 6 weeks.  Using a remote was fine, but not a chance you’ll be driving a stick shift, much less wiping your butt.  After 4 weeks my doctor had me doing some PT at home, before that he said to keep my arm in the sling, except for showers.  He was adamant about keeping my arm in that sling till 6 weeks when not doing pt.  At the OP’s age, I’m guessing you’ll struggle a bit more than I did, and it was rough. Brock is much younger and kicked butt at every angle, don’t expect it to go as well as he did.  As far as driving, after 4 weeks I still couldn’t turn my key with my bad arm or shift into gear. 
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Post by: Wood2Sawdust on March 03, 2025, 06:48:54 PM
Which brand of cold therapy machine did you use and how did you like it? How often did you use it  or can you just keep it on? Leaning towards Polar Cold because I think it has a remote on-off timer
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Post by: HntnFsh on March 03, 2025, 07:08:21 PM
Anybody--were you able to still use your better arm while the other was in a sling? Could you hold anything light such as a book or remote in the hand that is in the sling? How long before you could drive? or walk a mile or so?

Yes, you will be able to use your non injured arm just fine, You can hold a book or remote in your sling hand. You have full mobility of you wrist. You just cant move your shoulder/bicep or move your forearm off your body. I drove after a week and I walked a mile after day 2.

I need my right shoulder done. I use my right arm to get into my big truck and my little truck is a stick shift. How will that work out? I'm using Voltaren right now and it's helping a lot, I just don't know.

Voltaren can work pretty good. But I was told not to use it too long because its really hard on your kidneys. Dont know for sure, but worth checking.
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Post by: Wood2Sawdust on March 03, 2025, 08:19:47 PM
Can't use voltaren. Would like to know what ice therapy machines others have used.
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Post by: Ridgeratt on March 04, 2025, 08:55:38 AM
I posted up a suggestion on post #29. They all do the same thing, fill with ice and water. Once the ice melts you refill and repeat. Why do you feel a remote off/on is a requirement?
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Post by: Wood2Sawdust on March 04, 2025, 08:59:08 AM
I don't know enough about them to know what features would be wanted, that's why I'm asking experienced users
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Post by: Ridgeratt on March 04, 2025, 09:01:37 AM
it's an enclosed cold-water loop. As the ice melts it warms up and you will be wanting to put more ice in it.
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Post by: brocka on March 04, 2025, 09:06:22 AM
Yeah they are really simple devices. I used mine 2 times and went back to normal ice pack from the freezer.
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Post by: snit on March 04, 2025, 10:27:19 AM
Sorry, I missed the updates on this thread since my mid-Feb response...regarding my situation, 16 months now post-surgery; overall I still "guard" my left shoulder, but that's just a habit from dealing with a bum wing for over 30 years. I'm now 54yo, and felt that I was "healed" after 9 months (August '24), even though I was finished with PT by April '24, and I never wore a sling after Day 2. My left shoulder scar is 7" long, but still subsiding over time. No noticeable shoulder pain, full range of motion and I'm still extremely pleased with the outcome! I was VERY concerned (pre-op) about the pain/PT/overall recovery/etc, but from all the experiences I'd heard my experience was a giant nothing-burger! Minimal pain (wisdom teeth extraction was far worse), 5 total PT appointments, and I was back to competitive trapshooting within 3 months. Good luck to all who have/are going under the knife!  :tup:
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Post by: O. Nerka on March 04, 2025, 11:31:03 AM
Which brand of cold therapy machine did you use and how did you like it? How often did you use it  or can you just keep it on? Leaning towards Polar Cold because I think it has a remote on-off timer

My wife had good luck with using one of these for a knee surgery a few years ago.  She was able to borrow it from a friend but felt it was helpful for a few weeks.  I don't think having a remote was helpful to her but she did appreciate being able to disconnect the pad from the machine and to crutch around without having to detach the pad from her knee.  I was the one that typically was carting around the cooler and keeping it loaded for her.  I'm sure most versions do the same.

https://www.thewarmingstore.com/polar-products-active-ice-3-0-shoulder-pad-cold-therapy-system-with-programmable-digital-timer-9qt.html?srsltid=AfmBOopgTMIvjmOv1c0SXrb13FWVppzOJuCujIO1S3RdeDYVMMGxz-yQ1M8
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Post by: Kokaneekid on March 15, 2025, 06:28:58 AM
Sounds painful
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Post by: Wood2Sawdust on April 02, 2025, 07:46:15 AM
Today is surgery day on left shoulder, Had my MRI last August and it is way worse than back then. You would think they would want more recent pics. I guess I will see in a few days-weeks
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Post by: trophyhunt on April 02, 2025, 08:32:03 AM
Good luck, take those pain pills every 4-6 hours!!!
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Post by: GWP on April 02, 2025, 10:45:04 AM
I had one of the bucket/pump ones but do not remember the brand name. It REALLY helped for one of my 4 rotator cuff surgeries. Finally gave it away as it was sitting around too long. The shoulder/knee circulating attachment worked good.
Frozen pea bags work as good as they conform to your shoulder. Refreeze (never really unfroze) then eat later. I used them for my first surgery.
Of my 4 only one was arthroscopic. It had WAY less pain than the others, but they can only do so much damage repair through the little holes they punch.
The stats say when you have your first one you will have another in 7 years. Mine all 'basically' followed that while alternating sides.
Good luck to all that have them done!
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Post by: Wood2Sawdust on April 03, 2025, 05:35:56 PM
69 years old in fairly good shape.  1 day into recovery rotator cuff tears, labrum looked shredded to me, bone spurs, tendons reattached, torn bicep fixed, arthritis removed , synovitus whatever that is, Dr said all went well.  I had the blocker which helped first night.  pain is manageable I have the ice machine.  walked outside a bit, would like to walk a mile tomorrow if I get a little sleep.     awake last night, not from pain, I think from all the hospital meds.   I did not take pain meds till blocker was wearing off----excuse  my typing with one hand   I will try to keep this updated for others thinking about surgery                             
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Post by: Wood2Sawdust on April 05, 2025, 07:58:09 PM
3 days in shower and shave were great,  4 incisions, pain not bad mostly when doin stretches   melatonin has really helped me sleep good in chair but tired and sleepy a lot, stretch then ice lucky to have a great wife
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Post by: Wood2Sawdust on April 09, 2025, 12:36:59 PM
1 week in, actually had 5 incisions,  quit pain meds after 3rd day, walking a mile once a day. very little pain although  more yesterday and today when doing stretches-- exercises
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Post by: trophyhunt on April 09, 2025, 02:37:28 PM
Wow, you are killing it!! Doing way better than I did. 
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Post by: snit on April 09, 2025, 03:41:40 PM
Glad to hear you're doing well Wood-Dust!

Arthroscopic surgery I presume, thus the 5 small incisions vs 1 8-10" long incision?
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Post by: Wood2Sawdust on April 09, 2025, 04:00:45 PM
yes arthroscopic, but surprised they did not do a complete replacement as much damage as there was. MRI was back in august last year and got a lot worse. I imagine they probably need different approval from insurance for that. would like to find out before I have the other done, hopefully july 7 if all goes well with this one
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Post by: Wood2Sawdust on April 15, 2025, 08:10:51 PM
checkup today, 13 days in. Dr. said  I'm doing good. walking a mile once or twice a day.  No pain other than when stretching. The hardest part is trying not to use that arm. PT will start at 4 weeks in.  OK to drive my pickup and lawn tractor.  I just hope the second one goes this good July 7
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Post by: Wood2Sawdust on April 30, 2025, 07:55:24 PM
         i was hoping to keep a running report for others to know what to expect, but I think I am a bad example. 4 weeks after surgery today and my first physical therapy--I was told my range of motion was "amazing" and I am way ahead of where I should be and with so little pain very lucky--not the norm. they still won't start active therapy for 2 weeks. Still scheduled for the other shoulder surgery on July 7.  I can only hope that one goes as well. The hardest part is not using it even with the sling.   I have been driving my pickup and lawn tractor--I put suicide knobs on both of them.  i would like to drive my orchard size tractor with 3 point mower-- it is actually less bumpy with longer wheel base and power steering--but my wife has a problem with that.  My right shoulder is definitely feeling it a little more though, especially driving. My pickup is the only automatic I have--I'm looking for a subaru outback auto now.
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Post by: trophyhunt on April 30, 2025, 08:20:44 PM
Amazing
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Post by: snit on April 30, 2025, 09:55:46 PM
I was just thinking about you today, and I'm really glad to hear that everything is progressing superbly! It sounds like you're doing fantastic, you've got a good plan and all the best.
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Post by: brocka on May 01, 2025, 05:14:41 AM
         i was hoping to keep a running report for others to know what to expect, but I think I am a bad example. 4 weeks after surgery today and my first physical therapy--I was told my range of motion was "amazing" and I am way ahead of where I should be and with so little pain very lucky--not the norm. they still won't start active therapy for 2 weeks. Still scheduled for the other shoulder surgery on July 7.  I can only hope that one goes as well. The hardest part is not using it even with the sling.   I have been driving my pickup and lawn tractor--I put suicide knobs on both of them.  i would like to drive my orchard size tractor with 3 point mower-- it is actually less bumpy with longer wheel base and power steering--but my wife has a problem with that.  My right shoulder is definitely feeling it a little more though, especially driving. My pickup is the only automatic I have--I'm looking for a subaru outback auto now.

Great to hear!
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Post by: Wood2Sawdust on May 15, 2025, 05:26:55 PM
six weeks in -- Left repaired arm only wearing sling when sleeping or outside to prevent me from doing too much. Started real exercises today at PT  Now I have pain while doing stretches and exercises, but not too bad and not bad after. Did notice my hand and wrist have more pain from carpal tunnel and arthritis from not moving it as much the last six weeks. Right arm definitely worse from overuse--hope it lasts till July 7 surgery.   physical therapist says doing good and I should be able to use first arm lightly by then. Probably no hunting this year, happy with it all so far. thinking about sleeping in a bed soon with sling on
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Post by: trophyhunt on May 16, 2025, 06:41:39 AM
Good to hear, I do not miss those days!
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Post by: Wood2Sawdust on June 04, 2025, 08:10:15 PM
8 weeks in-- sleeping in a bed carefully propped up. It sure is nice not to be sleepy all the time. Made me realize I was probably only getting 3 hours  sleep a night in a chair.  9 weeks in thought something was not right, but turned out it was my tricep hurting from lack of use for 8 weeks and carpal tunnel and hand swelling--nothing from the surgery, other than that no pain and have been using my arm for everything, but lightly. Physician Assistant said I should be able to rifle hunt at 5 months. This had me thinking about putting off my other shoulder on July 7, with dreams of deer and elk hunting. I was going to put it off until March 2026.  Then my surgeon called me today and told me the tendon which has been completely separated  since at least January would probably atrophy in that time and also he would be retiring before that. This is Dr. Rossi, who did an excellent job on my left shoulder repair. I also hate having only one arm during fire season. I also could not do the winter with one arm shoveling and plowing snow. So-- probably Dr Rossi and fire season surgery as of right now.
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Post by: trophyhunt on June 05, 2025, 06:02:48 AM
I will be 6 months in tomorrow and I think my shoulder is at 50%, I've shot my rifle and shotgun, no pain.  But my motion just isn't there yet, still a little stiff.  My doctor said it's a critical time when your shoulder starts to feel better but it's still healing.  Don't over do it.  Sounds like you are right on track and doing well. 
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Post by: Wood2Sawdust on June 11, 2025, 08:03:59 PM
ten weeks in--doing ok but having a little pain with my forearm. Not surgery related --just carpal tunnel and arthritis with swelling in wrist and hand. 3 1/2 weeks until I get the other shoulder done. So far, so Good. It's going to be a little harder doing everything with my left hand after the next surgery -including typing, but I will try to keep this thread going
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Post by: Wood2Sawdust on June 29, 2025, 07:49:52 AM
12 weeks in --8 days until I get my second shoulder done.  Doing pretty good with first one but i am getting a little clicking sound in shoulder now when lifting 3lb weights. Found out I have a bone chip in my elbow floating around which pains me there at times--I can live with that though
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