Post by: matchu865 on March 03, 2025, 10:25:35 PM
I will preface for saying that I do like Guy, Gavin, and the Ultimate Reloader crew. They are based out of the Cashmere area. From what I understand, and what I experience hunting the surrounding area, is that the herds are doing badly. So what is WDFW doing giving out damage tags to kill does on their winter range?
Does anyone have info on how many damage/landowner tags WDFW allocates in this area, or for the state in general. I would be interested in learning how this compares to the tags allocated to the general public. The only doe tags I see in 250 and 251 are like 20 draw tags for youth and senior citizens.
Post by: kodiak06 on March 04, 2025, 11:49:28 AM
Post by: Caseyd on March 04, 2025, 12:41:33 PM
Yesterday I was watching YouTube and was shocked to see that Ultimate Reloader published a video surrounding 'damage' tags in Washington. Video link .
I will preface for saying that I do like Guy, Gavin, and the Ultimate Reloader crew. They are based out of the Cashmere area. From what I understand, and what I experience hunting the surrounding area, is that the herds are doing badly. So what is WDFW doing giving out damage tags to kill does on their winter range?
Does anyone have info on how many damage/landowner tags WDFW allocates in this area, or for the state in general. I would be interested in learning how this compares to the tags allocated to the general public. The only doe tags I see in 250 and 251 are like 20 draw tags for youth and senior citizens.
My understanding is it’s all done regionally. One would assume the bio tracks tags issued vs tags filled. I have never seen a “list” that shows a region or all regions combined to get a total.
In your listed question/example there would be more then 20 damage tags in those GMUs.
Confirmed landowner example: 7 tags for as long as can remember. Email bio if/when filled.
Post by: sagerat on March 04, 2025, 02:32:22 PM
Post by: matchu865 on March 05, 2025, 11:22:48 AM
Post by: dvolmer on March 05, 2025, 06:48:06 PM
It'd be nice if the state published, at the very least, the info on how many damage tags were allocated and filled in each GMU. But I'm guessing it wouldn't be a good look for them.They wont. We all would be shocked and appalled if we found out. Way more animals killed this way than most people/hunters could even comprehend. One of the biggest scams out there. Tons of opportunity for fraud. We need to get Elon involved! Most of the people on this forum that support this are dipping into the spoils with the system. I had a friend that had an orchard outside of Walla Walla and the amount of tags and the amount of deer that were killed was sick and he just owned a small orchard.
Post by: MarkTrail on March 05, 2025, 09:04:05 PM
It'd be nice if the state published, at the very least, the info on how many damage tags were allocated and filled in each GMU. But I'm guessing it wouldn't be a good look for them.They wont. We all would be shocked and appalled if we found out. Way more animals killed this way than most people/hunters could even comprehend. One of the biggest scams out there. Tons of opportunity for fraud. We need to get Elon involved! Most of the people on this forum that support this are dipping into the spoils with the system. I had a friend that had an orchard outside of Walla Walla and the amount of tags and the amount of deer that were killed was sick and he just owned a small orchard.
Post by: kodiak06 on March 06, 2025, 01:03:45 PM
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LMAO... Works TWO ways. Most against it really have no idea what goes on to try and prevent the damage nor do they have to pay for or complete the repairs for loses caused by animals.
Post by: OutHouse on March 12, 2025, 12:54:04 PM
It'd be nice if the state published, at the very least, the info on how many damage tags were allocated and filled in each GMU. But I'm guessing it wouldn't be a good look for them.They wont. We all would be shocked and appalled if we found out. Way more animals killed this way than most people/hunters could even comprehend. One of the biggest scams out there. Tons of opportunity for fraud. We need to get Elon involved! Most of the people on this forum that support this are dipping into the spoils with the system. I had a friend that had an orchard outside of Walla Walla and the amount of tags and the amount of deer that were killed was sick and he just owned a small orchard.
I think there is another thread on this but I agree with dvolmer. Have had numerous landowners lower their tone and get a sly grin when talking about how they get to use these to "protect their crops". Let the cows eat the crops until the bull shows up and then just shoot him type of stuff.
Post by: chukarchaser on March 16, 2025, 08:47:46 AM
Post by: bearpaw on March 16, 2025, 08:51:58 AM
It'd be nice if the state published, at the very least, the info on how many damage tags were allocated and filled in each GMU. But I'm guessing it wouldn't be a good look for them.They wont. We all would be shocked and appalled if we found out. Way more animals killed this way than most people/hunters could even comprehend. One of the biggest scams out there. Tons of opportunity for fraud. We need to get Elon involved! Most of the people on this forum that support this are dipping into the spoils with the system. I had a friend that had an orchard outside of Walla Walla and the amount of tags and the amount of deer that were killed was sick and he just owned a small orchard.
I think there is another thread on this but I agree with dvolmer. Have had numerous landowners lower their tone and get a sly grin when talking about how they get to use these to "protect their crops". Let the cows eat the crops until the bull shows up and then just shoot him type of stuff.
I agree that depredation tags can have a negative impact, but I thought most depredation tags are antlerless only?
Post by: Tbar on March 16, 2025, 09:12:16 AM
Most are but not all.It'd be nice if the state published, at the very least, the info on how many damage tags were allocated and filled in each GMU. But I'm guessing it wouldn't be a good look for them.They wont. We all would be shocked and appalled if we found out. Way more animals killed this way than most people/hunters could even comprehend. One of the biggest scams out there. Tons of opportunity for fraud. We need to get Elon involved! Most of the people on this forum that support this are dipping into the spoils with the system. I had a friend that had an orchard outside of Walla Walla and the amount of tags and the amount of deer that were killed was sick and he just owned a small orchard.
I think there is another thread on this but I agree with dvolmer. Have had numerous landowners lower their tone and get a sly grin when talking about how they get to use these to "protect their crops". Let the cows eat the crops until the bull shows up and then just shoot him type of stuff.
I agree that depredation tags can have a negative impact, but I thought most depredation tags are antlerless only?
Post by: OutHouse on March 16, 2025, 10:01:46 AM
It'd be nice if the state published, at the very least, the info on how many damage tags were allocated and filled in each GMU. But I'm guessing it wouldn't be a good look for them.They wont. We all would be shocked and appalled if we found out. Way more animals killed this way than most people/hunters could even comprehend. One of the biggest scams out there. Tons of opportunity for fraud. We need to get Elon involved! Most of the people on this forum that support this are dipping into the spoils with the system. I had a friend that had an orchard outside of Walla Walla and the amount of tags and the amount of deer that were killed was sick and he just owned a small orchard.
I think there is another thread on this but I agree with dvolmer. Have had numerous landowners lower their tone and get a sly grin when talking about how they get to use these to "protect their crops". Let the cows eat the crops until the bull shows up and then just shoot him type of stuff.
I agree that depredation tags can have a negative impact, but I thought most depredation tags are antlerless only?
A guy I knew in Sunnyside claimed to get buck tags and another in I think Grant County got a bull tag. Not sure though, if they weren't buck/bull tags then its even worse!! :chuckle:
Post by: kodiak06 on March 17, 2025, 03:28:03 PM
It'd be nice if the state published, at the very least, the info on how many damage tags were allocated and filled in each GMU. But I'm guessing it wouldn't be a good look for them.They wont. We all would be shocked and appalled if we found out. Way more animals killed this way than most people/hunters could even comprehend. One of the biggest scams out there. Tons of opportunity for fraud. We need to get Elon involved! Most of the people on this forum that support this are dipping into the spoils with the system. I had a friend that had an orchard outside of Walla Walla and the amount of tags and the amount of deer that were killed was sick and he just owned a small orchard.
I think there is another thread on this but I agree with dvolmer. Have had numerous landowners lower their tone and get a sly grin when talking about how they get to use these to "protect their crops". Let the cows eat the crops until the bull shows up and then just shoot him type of stuff.
I agree that depredation tags can have a negative impact, but I thought most depredation tags are antlerless only?
If it's like Oregon, they are antlerless. Landowners can get LOP tags for antlered animals though
Post by: Dan-o on March 17, 2025, 03:53:35 PM
It'd be nice if the state published, at the very least, the info on how many damage tags were allocated and filled in each GMU. But I'm guessing it wouldn't be a good look for them.They wont. We all would be shocked and appalled if we found out. Way more animals killed this way than most people/hunters could even comprehend. One of the biggest scams out there. Tons of opportunity for fraud. We need to get Elon involved! Most of the people on this forum that support this are dipping into the spoils with the system. I had a friend that had an orchard outside of Walla Walla and the amount of tags and the amount of deer that were killed was sick and he just owned a small orchard.
I think there is another thread on this but I agree with dvolmer. Have had numerous landowners lower their tone and get a sly grin when talking about how they get to use these to "protect their crops". Let the cows eat the crops until the bull shows up and then just shoot him type of stuff.
I agree that depredation tags can have a negative impact, but I thought most depredation tags are antlerless only?
If it's like Oregon, they are antlerless. Landowners can get LOP tags for antlered animals though
I'm familiar with a couple different types of landowner depredation tags.
They have all been antlerless only.
Post by: Bone collector 13 on March 17, 2025, 06:05:08 PM
I believe most are. But there is antlered tags out there. Back in the day (maybe still happening not sure) a lot of the big Hanford bulls were being killed on Landowner tags sold for big bucksIt'd be nice if the state published, at the very least, the info on how many damage tags were allocated and filled in each GMU. But I'm guessing it wouldn't be a good look for them.They wont. We all would be shocked and appalled if we found out. Way more animals killed this way than most people/hunters could even comprehend. One of the biggest scams out there. Tons of opportunity for fraud. We need to get Elon involved! Most of the people on this forum that support this are dipping into the spoils with the system. I had a friend that had an orchard outside of Walla Walla and the amount of tags and the amount of deer that were killed was sick and he just owned a small orchard.
I think there is another thread on this but I agree with dvolmer. Have had numerous landowners lower their tone and get a sly grin when talking about how they get to use these to "protect their crops". Let the cows eat the crops until the bull shows up and then just shoot him type of stuff.
I agree that depredation tags can have a negative impact, but I thought most depredation tags are antlerless only?
If it's like Oregon, they are antlerless. Landowners can get LOP tags for antlered animals though
I'm familiar with a couple different types of landowner depredation tags.
They have all been antlerless only.
Post by: Dan-o on March 17, 2025, 10:31:44 PM
I believe most are. But there is antlered tags out there. Back in the day (maybe still happening not sure) a lot of the big Hanford bulls were being killed on Landowner tags sold for big bucksIt'd be nice if the state published, at the very least, the info on how many damage tags were allocated and filled in each GMU. But I'm guessing it wouldn't be a good look for them.They wont. We all would be shocked and appalled if we found out. Way more animals killed this way than most people/hunters could even comprehend. One of the biggest scams out there. Tons of opportunity for fraud. We need to get Elon involved! Most of the people on this forum that support this are dipping into the spoils with the system. I had a friend that had an orchard outside of Walla Walla and the amount of tags and the amount of deer that were killed was sick and he just owned a small orchard.
I think there is another thread on this but I agree with dvolmer. Have had numerous landowners lower their tone and get a sly grin when talking about how they get to use these to "protect their crops". Let the cows eat the crops until the bull shows up and then just shoot him type of stuff.
I agree that depredation tags can have a negative impact, but I thought most depredation tags are antlerless only?
If it's like Oregon, they are antlerless. Landowners can get LOP tags for antlered animals though
I'm familiar with a couple different types of landowner depredation tags.
They have all been antlerless only.
Thanks.
Some of those Hanford bulls were flat out MONSTERS.
I was aware that some were harvested by folks paying a trespass fee to neighboring landowners during open seasons, but I didn't know any bulls were shot using depredation tags. (Not doubting you; I just didn't know).
On a related note, BUGLE magazine (many years ago) wrote some really interesting/informative articles on the Hanford elk herd. I loved reading those.
Post by: NOCK NOCK on March 18, 2025, 04:59:29 AM
Post by: HillHound on March 18, 2025, 07:52:27 AM
Post by: nwwanderer on March 18, 2025, 09:04:48 AM
Post by: time2hunt on March 18, 2025, 09:46:10 AM
I have been threatened with jail by WDFW, might want to rethink thatOh please fill us in. I just can’t wait to hear the game departments excuses to throw a guy in jail for an apple Orchard.
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Post by: teal101 on March 18, 2025, 01:10:16 PM
https://app.leg.wa.gov/WAC/default.aspx?cite=220-440-200
Post by: Tbar on March 18, 2025, 01:59:24 PM
Per the RCW Landowner Damage Tags are ALL antlerless in WA except for some specific areas. The RCW also lists all the area quotas for those tags.Lots of reasons(legitimate) to kill antlered causing damage. Multiple enabling legislation. It could be streamlined for transparency but I believe it's not intentionally deceptive.
https://app.leg.wa.gov/WAC/default.aspx?cite=220-440-200
Post by: NOCK NOCK on March 18, 2025, 05:44:02 PM
If a grower is getting hit so hard (highly doubt it) that it's impacting their bottom line, they can and should put up fencing.
I have all sorts of creepy crawlys that attack my logs. Should I expect the guberment to control them or pay me to control them? NOT!
Post by: time2hunt on March 18, 2025, 05:52:47 PM
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