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Title: .30 caliber 200 grain accubond
Post by: jdb on July 07, 2009, 06:21:00 AM: anyone shoot this bullet? I was reading the nosler manual last night and that thing has an unreal bc. its damned near as flat shooting as the 165 grain.
Title: Re: .30 caliber 200 grain accubond
Post by: GoldTip on July 07, 2009, 06:52:47 AM: Yeah, over time/distance the BC of the 200gr in a 30cal will really hold flat out there as it retains more velocity and much more energy. I load the 200gr Nosler Partition in my Dad's 300 weatherby and when loaded up to really punish the shoulder, it's a flat shootin sumbitch.
Title: Re: .30 caliber 200 grain accubond
Post by: littlebuf on July 07, 2009, 07:35:12 AM: im working up a 200 gr load still for my 300, on my way to the range in about a hour
Title: Re: .30 caliber 200 grain accubond
Post by: haugenna on July 07, 2009, 08:25:30 AM: should be a nice cool day for shooting. I am jealous!!
Title: Re: .30 caliber 200 grain accubond
Post by: littlebuf on July 07, 2009, 11:35:21 AM: just got back and i found my load. 5/8 group at 200 yards about 3/4 inch high. now i gotta load some more up and do a little shooting with um and im ready for Aug 1st, come on bear season, im really getting pumped
Title: Re: .30 caliber 200 grain accubond
Post by: bucklucky on July 07, 2009, 12:50:47 PM: Bad assed bullets, I was going to go to them after I shot up all my interbonds in 180 grain. Of course I sold my 300 so I dont have to worry about it anymore....well until I buy another ;)
Title: Re: .30 caliber 200 grain accubond
Post by: jackelope on July 07, 2009, 01:08:36 PM: i am shooting 180 accubonds out of my 300wm that killbilly loaded up for me and they are deadnutts. better groups than i have ever had before.
Title: Re: .30 caliber 200 grain accubond
Post by: haugenna on July 07, 2009, 01:43:32 PM: whats the charge?
Title: Re: .30 caliber 200 grain accubond
Post by: jackelope on July 07, 2009, 01:48:12 PM: if i remember correctly 69grns 4831? does that sound right? i'm not a reloader and i'm working out of memory...nor am i a long range shooter but off the bench at 100 yards my groups are right at an inch, which is really good for me. my guns usually will outshoot me.
Title: Re: .30 caliber 200 grain accubond
Post by: jackelope on July 07, 2009, 01:51:36 PM: i went and looked in my outbox...

69 grains IMR-4831 and 180 accubonds.
300 win mag
Title: Re: .30 caliber 200 grain accubond
Post by: littlebuf on July 07, 2009, 01:57:28 PM: 200gr accubond spitzers 74.1 gr reloader 22 with federal 100 magnum primers. got mine shooting pretty flat, may be a little different with standard primers but i found this powder and my riffle like the magnums. it took me 10 loads to find this one, when i started they were all over the place
Title: Re: .30 caliber 200 grain accubond
Post by: haugenna on July 07, 2009, 02:00:48 PM: Quote from: littlebuf on July 07, 2009, 01:57:28 PM
200gr accubond spitzers 74.1 gr reloader 22 with federal 100 magnum primers. got mine shooting pretty flat, may be a little different with standard primers but i found this powder and my riffle like the magnums

Federal 100's ???
Title: Re: .30 caliber 200 grain accubond
Post by: littlebuf on July 07, 2009, 02:02:25 PM: sorry im used to cci and i was reading the box. 100 is how many primers are in the box :DOH:
Title: Re: .30 caliber 200 grain accubond
Post by: haugenna on July 07, 2009, 03:17:51 PM: Quote from: littlebuf on July 07, 2009, 02:02:25 PM
sorry im used to cci and i was reading the box. 100 is how many primers are in the box :DOH:

Were you using the 215's?
Title: Re: .30 caliber 200 grain accubond
Post by: elkoholic1 on July 07, 2009, 03:39:06 PM: thats a bad ass bullet i use the 225grain accubond hand loaded for my .3338 ultra mag, kicks a little but man is it flat and the carnage it does :drool: ive shot elk ,deer ,cyotes man what a hole it put in them.... best bullet ive found!
Title: Re: .30 caliber 200 grain accubond
Post by: littlebuf on July 07, 2009, 04:14:03 PM: yeah these ones
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Post by: actionshooter on July 07, 2009, 04:51:40 PM: I have used the 200 grain accubonds in my 300WM in the past. I'm not sold, I killed a couple of cows in Colorado with it. Both times the bullet practically exploded. I went back to partitions. :dunno:
Title: Re: .30 caliber 200 grain accubond
Post by: JoshT on July 07, 2009, 05:14:08 PM: How do you know it practically exploded?
Did you recover either of the bullets?
What did the wound channels look like?
Title: Re: .30 caliber 200 grain accubond
Post by: Bofire on July 07, 2009, 06:47:19 PM: :)construction and weight are two very different things, obvious, but in general big bullets equal high BC equal long range performance,"ballistically", that does not mean the bullet "works" or opens up at that speed. Impact speed is important, How fast at what range?
What a great un provable argument.!!
Carl
Title: Re: .30 caliber 200 grain accubond
Post by: Jamieb on July 07, 2009, 09:05:40 PM: I've been shooting the 200gr accubond in my 300 RUM for 5 years now, 4 deer,5 elk, and two black bears later and I still think the accubond is the best all around big game bullet for a fast 30 cal. The longest shot I've ever taken at a animal was a deer at 1000 yards with my 300 RUM. That bullet preformed text book. The last bear I shot was at about 3 yards, DRT. If I thought there was a better bullet for my 300 RUM, I'd be using it.
Title: Re: .30 caliber 200 grain accubond
Post by: littlebuf on July 07, 2009, 10:07:12 PM: that 200 gr bullets not a little much for deer? i shoot mine with a 168gr outa my 300, im loading the 200 just cuz i wanted a knock down bullet for my riffle
Title: Re: .30 caliber 200 grain accubond
Post by: Jamieb on July 07, 2009, 10:16:06 PM: I've seen alot more meat wasted from some lighter constructed bullets. One of the worst was a whitetail I shot in ID a few years ago. A 150gr nosler ballistic tip at 20 ft from my 7mag. Wasted the entire on side shoulder/leg and alot of the off side. There was snow on the ground so the blood really showed up. Blood spatter for 10 Ft behind where the deer had been.
Title: Re: .30 caliber 200 grain accubond
Post by: bobcat on July 07, 2009, 10:22:03 PM: Yep, bullet weight is really not a factor in being "too much" for deer or any other animal. It's the velocity and the construction of the bullet that determines if it is "too much." Really, what is too much? How can something be TOO dead? As Jamies said, many times it is the lighter bullets that are going to ruin meat. Look at muzzleloader bullets. Many of the conical bullets available are over 400 grains, and they aren't too much for deer.
Title: Re: .30 caliber 200 grain accubond
Post by: littlebuf on July 07, 2009, 10:42:11 PM: yeah i guess you guys are right, i wasn't trying to call ya out on it if that's how it came off. i like the barnes ttsx for deer holds together real well seeing that its a solid copper bullet, ive only had a little ruined meat in one shoulder using that bullet but that was just one deer , on the other hand with the same bullet on a bear last year it went through to clean and that's why im loading up the accu bond, im hoping a heavier softer bullet will bust um up a little more and prevent him from running 200 yards with his lungs shot outa him and falling down a ravine :bash:
Title: Re: .30 caliber 200 grain accubond
Post by: JackOfAllTrades on July 07, 2009, 11:06:15 PM: I shoot what's accurate from my barrels. For the boys .243's it's been Remington corelokt and Nosler partitions with good results. For my 30-06, It really likes Speer 180gn BTSP's. My wildcat likes Speer 180gn BTSP's and the 190gn BTSP Hornady's at 3100fps for more knock down for Bear or other large game. I haven heard anything bad about the Accubond. Just a little spendy for my tastes when I'm getting good results from the Hornady's.

-Steve
Title: Re: .30 caliber 200 grain accubond
Post by: JoshT on July 07, 2009, 11:15:01 PM: Here's a pic I swiped off another forum... 200 accubond out of a .300 RUM vs. bull elk at around 200 yards... this is the exit wound... you ain't walkin' that off!
(https://hunting-washington.com/smf/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi352.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fr325%2Fdogdownproductions%2F30calabond.jpg&hash=04b32c4d307e5a48af5bee134268e47d9d6e978d)

The 200 is hands down the best bullet for game out of the .300 RUM (and other similar big .300s)... especially if elk are on the menu. I shoot the 208 AMax out of mine... but that's because I only shoot it at bears and deer... so I can afford to sacrifice a little tougness for the added BC.
Title: Re: .30 caliber 200 grain accubond
Post by: actionshooter on July 08, 2009, 12:12:40 PM: Quote from: JoshT on July 07, 2009, 05:14:08 PM
How do you know it practically exploded?
Did you recover either of the bullets?
What did the wound channels look like?

The largest peice of the bullet I found the first time was about 90 grains and the second time the I never found the majority of the bullet but found several pieces of jacket. Both times the jacket, lead completely seperated. I haven't read anything bad about accubonds, but thats my experience.
FYI, my shots were at 175yards and then 250. So it wasn't really close.

In both cases I found the elk within 50 yards of where they were hit. Maybe I got a bad batch :dunno:
Title: Re: .30 caliber 200 grain accubond
Post by: shag on July 08, 2009, 12:56:56 PM: I'm not sold on Accubombs at magnum speeds. Thought 200gr AB's would hold up better. Last years mulie died but that bullet blew to hell and wasted more meat than I like to see wasted. 200 partition will be a solid performer. I'm gonna run 180 E-Tips this year and 150 E-tips next year in 300wsm.

I was however very impressed with the 180 Accubomb outa several 30-06's I ran for years. Partition like wound channels and never recovered one.
Title: Re: .30 caliber 200 grain accubond
Post by: JoshT on July 08, 2009, 05:29:31 PM: Quote from: actionshooter on July 08, 2009, 12:12:40 PM
The largest peice of the bullet I found the first time was about 90 grains and the second time the I never found the majority of the bullet but found several pieces of jacket. Both times the jacket, lead completely seperated. I haven't read anything bad about accubonds, but thats my experience.
FYI, my shots were at 175yards and then 250. So it wasn't really close.

In both cases I found the elk within 50 yards of where they were hit. Maybe I got a bad batch :dunno:

Did they exit?
Title: Re: .30 caliber 200 grain accubond
Post by: fishcrazy on July 08, 2009, 06:23:04 PM: I can't say enough good stuff about the Accubond boolits. I shoot them in all my .30 cals now. My .308 loves them in 165 grn and my Custom 30-Newton really likes them in 200 grn. VERY accurate and hold up very well. I have recovered them after shooting longways down a deers spine and took out all ribs and lodged in the hind 1/4 and it had 90% left to it. the big 200 grners do seam to do less damage and hit VERY hard. I allso like how flat they shoot at long range.

I have played with them for about 6 years now and shot them more and more. Expensive yes!!!

Kris
Title: Re: .30 caliber 200 grain accubond
Post by: ACCUBOND on July 08, 2009, 08:45:22 PM: Killed several animals with accubonds, average about 67% retention. Usually find them just under the hide on the far side. I love what a rep. said at a sportsman show when a person complained that his accubond failed when he killed his elk (only went 30 yards) because he never had a ton of retention. The rep. said "so tell me, at what point in the elk dying did the bullet fail" :dunno:
Title: Re: .30 caliber 200 grain accubond
Post by: actionshooter on July 09, 2009, 03:20:04 AM: Quote from: JoshT on July 08, 2009, 05:29:31 PM
Quote from: actionshooter on July 08, 2009, 12:12:40 PM
The largest peice of the bullet I found the first time was about 90 grains and the second time the I never found the majority of the bullet but found several pieces of jacket. Both times the jacket, lead completely seperated. I haven't read anything bad about accubonds, but thats my experience.
FYI, my shots were at 175yards and then 250. So it wasn't really close.

In both cases I found the elk within 50 yards of where they were hit. Maybe I got a bad batch :dunno:

Did they exit?

1 did 1 didn't. Like I said the Elk died, I didn't have to chase them. I have had perfect performance out of TSX but the accubonds fly a little better. Nothing is perfect ;)
Title: Re: .30 caliber 200 grain accubond
Post by: JoshT on July 09, 2009, 11:03:15 AM: Damn straight nothing's perfect... You shoot enough bullets into enough stuff... and you'll always be able to find an anomally. At the end of the day... there is no perfect bullet, unless you ask the Kennedy cospiracy theorists.

The Partition is truly about the closest thing we have to a "perfect" bullet... except for the soup can BCs. I like a bullet that sheds a little weight... they do more proximity damage... but I also like exit wounds when I can get them. I've killed piles of stuff with the ballistic tip... most guys hate them... but I like the 50% weight retention... and they have exited 90% of the time for me. I think the Accubond is just a step up from the NBT... and that's a good thing.
Title: Re: .30 caliber 200 grain accubond
Post by: jackelope on July 09, 2009, 11:07:26 AM: i've seen about 5 deer killed by a 7mag shooting 120 NBT's and all 5 were very dead right now as a result.
never a bad experience from them on deer... :dunno: about elk or bears.
they also kill coyotes really dead too.
Title: Re: .30 caliber 200 grain accubond
Post by: Craig on July 13, 2009, 12:22:37 PM: For the last couple years I have used 200 grain accubonds. They worked great. I bought a box of 180 grain barns triple shock to try. I have seen some people say the triple shock go right through the animal and not enough damage is done. I am starting to second guess buying the triple shock bullets. I am shooting a 300 RUM. I will be hunting elk.
Title: Re: .30 caliber 200 grain accubond
Post by: jackelope on July 13, 2009, 12:52:26 PM: i've been hunting the last 5 years or so with 165 grn triple shocks out of my '06 and they do the job really good. deer were dead right away.
Title: Re: .30 caliber 200 grain accubond
Post by: bearpaw on July 13, 2009, 01:10:32 PM: I'm with jackelope....:yeah:

Seen lots of deer and elk out to 500+ killed with Barnes 165 and 180 TSX, I can't say for sure about them on bear yet though.

The partition is very good, but don't get the penetration and don't always exit because of that. Exit wounds make better blood trails and result in less lost game in my opinion. However, you do need heavy damage before the bullet exits, and the tsx seems to do that. :twocents:
Title: Re: .30 caliber 200 grain accubond
Post by: Yak-NDN on July 13, 2009, 01:33:39 PM: Accubond is an outstanding bullet use it with my 338/225gr and my 270wsm 140gr my 338 usually don't penetrate threw but that is fine I only need to use my Indian instincts and track them for about 30yrd and they are down.
The way I look at it is if it doesn't go threw they just took a ton to the side now that is a hit. Almost not blood shot.
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Post by: Yak-NDN on July 13, 2009, 01:38:31 PM: Oh almost forgot I do use 200gr accubond in my 300mag excellent..
Title: Re: .30 caliber 200 grain accubond
Post by: Intruder on July 14, 2009, 09:52:05 AM: Quote from: bearpaw on July 13, 2009, 01:10:32 PM
I'm with jackelope....:yeah:

Seen lots of deer and elk out to 500+ killed with Barnes 165 and 180 TSX, I can't say for sure about them on bear yet though.

The partition is very good, but don't get the penetration and don't always exit because of that. Exit wounds make better blood trails and result in less lost game in my opinion. However, you do need heavy damage before the bullet exits, and the tsx seems to do that. :twocents:

+1 on the TSX and exit wounds. Been super duper impressed with what their terminal performance is... although not quite as accurate as some others.

Accubond, Interbonds, Sciorrocos, A-Frame, BearClaws are all good too.