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Big Game Hunting => Elk Hunting => Topic started by: TeacherMan on July 11, 2009, 03:18:35 PM
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I have a big bull tag this year and in early Sept. and I plan on working several areas up to a couple miles off of the road. The kicker is that I do not have horses. If I can get a quad into the area I would be good but that doesn't always work that way. So how long do I really have once I shoot the animal?
I know getting the hide off and guts out ASAP are crucial, but once I quarter it should I take the time to hang the pieces I cant pack or just leave them on a tarp and start booking them out to a cooler? I hate spoiling/wasting any meat.
Any special tricks people have to helping save the meat? I'm not a newbie by any means but I always worry about this stuff. I have used pepper on the meat to keep yellow jackets and flys off and I have been told to cut the hind quarters down to the bone to help cool them quicker.
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If it's not too hot, just get it quartered, and hang it in shade with game bags on it. It will cool out good. Pee or spit around the area to discourage coyotes. Pull the gut pile a little ways off in the open so the birds go to the gutpile and hopefully leave your meat alone. Also think about where the sun will come up in the morning before you get back.
Meat will survive warmer temps than most people think, if you get it in the shade and all parted out to air out and cool it down fast. If weather is too hot, you better look for a creek.
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I agree with bearpaw's thoughts. In addition hanging the quarters, I've heard tell that deboning the meat really excelerates the cooling process. I don't recommending dipping it in a stream or the like to cool it (unless its in watertight bags temporarily)...
anywho... my .02
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If it's not too hot, just get it quartered, and hang it in shade with game bags on it. It will cool out good. Pee or spit around the area to discourage coyotes. Pull the gut pile a little ways off in the open so the birds go to the gutpile and hopefully leave your meat alone. Also think about where the sun will come up in the morning before you get back.
Meat will survive warmer temps than most people think, if you get it in the shade and all parted out to air out and cool it down fast. If weather is too hot, you better look for a creek.
This is great advice...
If ur not gonna get it all out that day you gotta get it quartered up so it has more surface area to cool. Peeing around it is good advice. I will remember that bearpaw!
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but once I quarter it should I take the time to hang the pieces I cant pack or just leave them on a tarp and start booking them out to a cooler? I hate spoiling/wasting any meat.
Any special tricks people have to helping save the meat? I'm not a newbie by any means but I always worry about this stuff. I have used pepper on the meat to keep yellow jackets and flys off and I have been told to cut the hind quarters down to the bone to help cool them quicker.
Should always hang it so it has good ventalation all the way around, laying it on the tarp is a bad idea.
The secret to having good quality meat is getting it cleaned out, hung up and cooled down, not cold or frozen, as quickly as possible. To do this, the internal organs have to be removed, the hide has to come off, and the carcass placed in a cool environment. Without a doubt, the longer the carcass is on the ground, the greater the chance the meat will spoil. Trapped body heat provides an ideal environment for bacteria to flourish.
A big game animal's body temperature is about 100? to 106? F at the time of death. Under normal conditions that temperature will decrease at a rate of 2 degrees an hour from the larger muscle masses in the rump, neck and shoulders. Twelve hours after death the large muscles of the hind legs may still be 76 degrees or more. Therefore, it is very important to do everything you can to increase that rate of heat loss.
Options that aid in dissipating heat from the carcass include: skinning the animal, placing the carcass in a shaded area, hanging it off the ground for maximum air circulation, and quartering or partial boning. Do not place the meat in any type of plastic because plastic will hold in heat. Also, do not place the meat directly into water. This simply makes an incredibly wet and sloppy mess that is difficult to handle.
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Pee or spit around the area to discourage coyotes.
Bad idea, If Ice or Rasbo does that every scurvy coyote in the area is gonna want to come and get laid.
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:chuckle:
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Good advice gutpile. :chuckle:
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I have put august bear meat in water before on incredibly hot days when there was no other choice, better than losing it. But normally by archery season it will be cool enough in the shade and fine until you get back if you get it hung in shade, and remember to think about the sun coming up in the morning. Try to carry some of those elk quarter bags so you don't have to deal with flies on the meat.
The human scent doesn't always work, but it does most of the time, coyotes are usually scared to death of human scent.
If the flies do blow some of the meat no big deal, just trim it off. Pepper does work to keep flies off and there are a few other things too, I just don't like having to pack any more than I have to when hunting.
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Bearpaw is correct about the water it won't hurt the meat if it's dipped in to cool off or to wash it off. You won't want to leave it in to long as the water will help the meat deteriorate fatser.
Another thing to do if there is not enough shade is to erect a tarp high enough off the ground for good ventilation that will create shade for the meat . Hang it vertical instead of the usual horizontal way.
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Liquid game bag works pretty good at keeping the blowflies away. We have used it on a couple elk and a bear and were happy with the results.
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Did this once, must have forgot to hit send, I'll try it again. Gut, skin, quarter, pepper, bag, hang in shade, cover with branches to keep birds off, hang a sweaty shirt next to it, get it to a cooler as soon as you can. Try and have a cooler lined up in advance with a way of getting a hold of them 24/7, it's not fun driving around with meat in the back of your truck in 90 degree weather, looking for a cooler! Good luck!!
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After the kill, you should at minimum gut, and maybe place a large stick to keep the rib cage open. That will buy you some time if its getting or is dark.
I bring block ice to camp (use costco milk jugs), along with bags of ice. We usually have 4-5 150 quart coolers in camp. Put quarters in game bags, then large garbage bags to keep meet dry, and then set on block ice, and cover with ice bags. Your good to go for probably 3 days.
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I dropped a bull last year and the temp was over 80, It was in 9 pieces in 90min and in the truck heading home in less than 5hrs. the only thing I lost was the cape. it slipped. if you are looking to mount, it doesn't take long for bacteria to set in. get as much meat off the neck as you can, FAST. I will often use a creek to cool the meet.
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If it is Hot I recomend if you quarter it and leave the bone in to at least plit the meat to the bone to let heat escape form the center of the quarters. Trust me, I killed my bull in about 85 degree heat last year and it was a long pack and long long day. Get it bagged and hung in the shade as said before but I would bone it if it were me. That bone sour can make or break ya. . The less you have to cool the better and that bone will hold the heat longer than anything. If you get in a situation where you think you may not be able to get the whol ething packed out that day, I would choose to bone it. It doesnt take much more time to doo.
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or you can call me and we'll pack it out in a couple of hours and hang it in our meat cooler...or better yet, just go hunt with me for a couple of days, and we'll just call one into the back of the truck for you to shoot, then we can just drive down to the cooler and slide him right in.... :IBCOOL:
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That bone sour can make or break ya. . The less you have to cool the better and that bone will hold the heat longer than anything.
:yeah:
I've been taught (by people way smarter & experienced than me) that boning out an elk is just as critical as skinning it.
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Bone sour??? Whats that?
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Rancid, acidic taste, green color, etc.
The bones hold a lot of heat and this radiates out into the surrounding meat. Even if you've skinned the quarters, you can get spoilage if you don't at least cut some space around the bones for air to circulate and take the heat from the bones outta there. I've never had it happen on a deer but I've heard of a few unfortunate stoires from elk hunters.. must be due to their bigger size.
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And what do you do if there are no trees? How do you hang meat in sagebrush or a meadow or a large logged off area?
How about if you are taller than the new trees around you?
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This has been some really good advice guys and I appreciate it, I was thinking of the tarp for clean reasons, but you are totally correct in terms of it making the meat spoil quickly, plus I really like the sweaty shirt idea, lots of good scent and by the time it is all said and done I need to change my shirt anyway :chuckle:. I remember the first elk I ever got with my bow the first week of Sept. This was quite a few years back I was 20 years old, and young and dumb when it came to elk hunting :chuckle: It was in the Bumping, a nice cow and my wife and I where able to drag her out whole to the road. I think back on that now and I must have been a beast. I used a rope and about an 8' log. My wife anchored down on the end of the log and braced herself in and pushed the other end of the log, the rope was in the middle, it moved her about 4 or 5 feet at a time. It took a couple hours to get to the road, nonstop work, when I got her there I was so tired I couldn't pick her up and get her in the truck. I could get the back end of her lifted up in the truck and then when I would go to lift the front end in the back would fall out, this entire sequence was taking place along 410 going up Chinook :chuckle: I got her back end up and then I tied a rope around her then to the front of my truck bed and as I was getting ready to go for the back end another bow hunter stopped by and helped me load the front end, I was very happy to see him. I gave him the ivorys on her. My wife is 5'4 and 120 pounds, likes to help but theres not much there. At that point I headed down the road, about 9am at this point headed to camp. I got there and went to hang it at the meat pole and I was still drained, I couldn't pull it up into the tree like I can a deer. For the next 2 hours I tried, I couldn't do it so I sat and looked at her for a few and then drove down to Whistling Jacks with her in the back of the truck got a couple nice pics of her bought a comalong and then head back up. By around 2pm I was able to get her skinned out and in a tree and I didn't go into the pain it was standing on the wood racks of my truck trying to skin an elk because I didn't have a ladder :bash: She was in the shade and covered with game bags so I didn't take her down to the cooler till the next morning :bash: Well someone was talking about bone sour, I got to experience it a little bit, luckily the day was overcast but still in the 70's and down in the hind quarters some of the meat had gone bad, made me feel horrible. Since then I have shot 4 more elk in the last 8 years and every one of them except one I have quartered and skinned where they lay. The one that I got out whole I had a comalong ready to pull it up in the tree and a ladder waiting in camp. So things that I have learned from experiences, gut it quickly on the ground, skin them out on the ground one side at a time, lay the hide out quarter the meat lay it out on the hide and pack it out piece by piece. In the long run it takes just the same amount of time.
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Holy shinolies Teacherman...
Sounds similar to my first event. I've been hunting specifically Elk for about 6 years now, & my first elk occurred on my first hunt... bagged a beautiful 5point raghorn. My friend and I are almost like two stooges (not sure where larry was this time) forgetting one thing after another, but it took us almost 4 hours to get him out of a gully. We were totally unprepared for it when I got it. I didn't lose the meat, but some of it was bit stronger, but I found through Jim Zumbo (sportsman show 03 I think...) to soak the meat in milk overnight, and the stronger flavor would dissipate.
Now I'm loaded for bear (and elk, and deer) with a 12K lb winch, chains, skinning blades, meat bags, ATV and winch, 50ft of steel cable etc... Now I just don't see elk anymore... :dunno:
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Usually like the morning hunt better then the evening hunt, but on really hot days would rather get something in the evening, all night to take care of it and hopefully in a cooler before the sun comes up.
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We try to treat all our downed animals like there about to spoil , get the hide off soon and into cold storage. We have cooled them down in the creek , as long asyou dry themoff before you hang them your ok. Remember if you bone them out leave alot of space around the meat knots in the bag my help.just think like this how long do you want your steaks out in the sun before you cook them . the midnight runs to cold storage is just part of the hunt .
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when hunting in eastern oregon when it was hot in deer season you could drive bye the hunting camps along the deschutes river and see deer bags in the river where people would leave them during the day. I don;t know if it hurt the meat any but around there it looked like the thing everyone did. At home after skinning our deer or elk we clean it up then wipe it down with vinager and put black pepper on it to keep flys away and put a fan on to help circulate the air.
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Call me, i will be in the area and i could help pack it out and put in the cooler at Squaw Rock. They only charge a couple dollars a day to hang the meat.
I have pack bards and a Barbie Jeep witha wincha nd lots of rope, actully i need to get some "Mule Tape" ths year, and if my son is with me, i will have teenage muscles to work :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle:
PM me and i will get you my number.
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Leave a shirt or clothing u wore. Urine is a ammonia base within 2 hrs, can't decipher what it is after that . Water works great, we have submerged bear quarters in creeks before.works great
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This is a great post. some good advice. I'm getting ready for some hot huntin too, so i've been doing alot of reading and came across a book callled All about elk. In there they suggest de-boning only as a last resort. But in hot weather they say it's a must. Meat spoils two ways outisde in & inside out. At the bone temp is 101 and meat cells continue to produce heat after animal is dead and can rise to 110. With a long pack and no mules or wheels only your back in hot weather probably better de-bone. The problem is exposing the meat more than quartering so have clean game bags. In the book they show pics of them de-boning, they skin one side at time using skin as a ground cover and they don't gut it either. Why waste the time they say. There is a chart that shows avg. weight of bull elk. quatered is listed @ 216lb, boneless @ 172lb. Seems light but interesting the point is why pack out what you can't eat. They also say water can be used to cool right after the kill. I recently made aquaintence with an old elk hunter. He wasn't sure how many elk he's packed out but did say for the last several years he has packed them out with five gallon buckets. Usually 3 sometimes 4 is all it takes. :dunno: :twocents:
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You must get the meat to 55 degrees in the first six hours, otherwise the bacterial growth goes up exponentially. My advice is to bone it out and get the meat into coolers with ice asap. If you have a long way to go home, drain the water, and replenish the ice every few hours. I have kept elk meat good that way for 3 days on trips back from AZ and MT in 95 degree weather.
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The key is proper preparation. How will you get the Elk out? How far is the closest road and the easiest way to the road? Do you have a couple of sharp knives/saw and a sharpener in your pack and game bags? Do you have 2 headlamps incase you have to work in the dark? All the advise given is good advise. Just remember once the bone is removed the meat becomes VERY hard to handle!!! If you are boning meat and throwing it inside a pack OK. If you are tying it to a packboard or better yet using a cart leave the bone in!!! If I can, I remove the hide and quarter the animal,then leave it hung in the shade in game bags. On the way to get the truck I clear a path for a cart. I have large coolers in the truck with ice and PLENTY of water all ready to go. Good Luck
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Norse do you offer just packing and at what cost? PM me if you want. I'm in the same boat with the same tag and plan on getting back in there a ways. I always take large coolers with ice and leave them in the truck. I put the ice in plastic bags and layer the quarters on top of each other to keep the water off the meat. The first time I did that i didn't bag the ice and the meat sat in ice water. The taste was fine but the color was gone, the meat looked grey. I also use the gutless method and get the quarters cooling as fast as I can. I will slice the hinds to the bone to help aid in cooling them out quicker. Great post lots of good advice.
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all the advice in this post is great, I thank everyone that has contributed. :tup:
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I have looked at game bags several times and I have always thought they seemed pretty expensive.
So my first question is are they one-time-use or do you reuse them?
And second has anyone tried to make their own game bags? I used a bedsheet I got at goodwill for $2 on a doe last year that didn't work as well as I had hoped. It was hard to keep it wrapped around the carcass as I was carrying it out. Also I think I need something with less threadcount like cheese cloth to help with ventilation.
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Good bags are re-usable, just wash them like any other piece of laundry.
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I purchased the Alaskan game bags for my moose hunt(they also come in different sizes for the animal taken)and they are probably the best ones out there. Love the fact they are reusable and dont tear like the others do. :twocents:
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Made up game bags a few years back and they worked great. Spent about 45 dollars and got 6 nice big bags. Now all I have to do is figure which box their in. Move to much lately.
Another thing that we used to do when it was going to take awhile to get the meat out was saturate it with pepper doen't help with the cooling but helps with yellow jackets and flies. Peppered venison isn't bad either. :drool:
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I like using white pillow cases. They tend to hold together better than game bags...and they are easier to haul.
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On the cheap, go to a feed store and get those burlap sacks that are used for sand bags, etc. I paid less than a buck a piece. Good air circulation.
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Three years ago a hunting partner and I each killed a cow elk in early August in Eastern Washington. It was approximately 90 degrees. We gutted and skinned the elk, and backpacked them to the truck. We then drove home to the Seattle area before they were put in a refrigerator and later butchered. I fully expected the meat to spoil, but it was perfectly fine.
The funny part is that we dumped the two heads in a mini-mart dumpster on the way home. We got a good laugh thinking about the poor soul that would find them after being in the hot dumpster for a few days.
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I don't see anyone using dry ice in the coolers :dunno: is that a bad idea?
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If you go to google and type in alaska game bags there is a good write up that says care of alaska game meat in the field. It tells how to fix the bags to help keep yellow jackets and mosquitoes away from the meat. Looks like just the information some of you are looking for.
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I don't see anyone using dry ice in the coolers :dunno: is that a bad idea?
I believe if you use dry ice, you do not want the meat touching the dry ice. Use a piece of foam between the dry ice and the meat. the meat can get "freezer burn" if it sets on the dry ice to long. (the piece of meat that is touching at least.
This is what i was recmended to do when i asked the same question, but I have no first hand experiance.
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I dont know if someone mentioned this but you dont only want to get it quartered out but you want to get it hanging and also off the bone, it will bone spoil.. learned that first hand.. So in that september heat even if it is in the cooler for awhile you still want to get it off the bone.. Trust me on that one!! Bone it out!!
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Threads like this are why I love this site. A lot of good info for us noobs.
Thanks everyone! :brew:
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I don't see anyone using dry ice in the coolers :dunno: is that a bad idea?
I believe if you use dry ice, you do not want the meat touching the dry ice. Use a piece of foam between the dry ice and the meat. the meat can get "freezer burn" if it sets on the dry ice to long. (the piece of meat that is touching at least.
This is what i was recmended to do when i asked the same question, but I have no first hand experiance.
I agree Gasman!
I thought of using butcher paper or wax paper to wrap the dry ice. But I think regular ice will do the job also. I am paranoid thinking I can lose my harvest.
Austrian
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Just in case this was missed, make sure and get rid of any fat ASAP.; It spoils really quick. If I've got anything with fat running through it, it gets cut out and pitched as soon as I can. Cabelas had a good article on field care a couple of years ago and here is one from Alaska ( I printed both and refer back to them during hunting season for refreshers). I will see if I can find the Cabelas article too.
From - www.outdoorsdirectory.com/magazine/meatcare.htm
Care of Alaska Game Meat in the Field
By Doug Drum, Indian Valley Meats
HC52 Box 8809, Indian, AK 99540
Tel. (907) 653-7511
In order to make the best product from your game, we need to start with game that has been well taken care of. There are many theories on the best ways to take care of game in the field. Personally, I use a proven method that is based on the principals used in the meat processing industry. The aim of this method is to make life harder for bacteria and flies by; creating a cool, high-acid environment to slow their growth, limiting their food sources by bleaching out blood, making a protective glaze coating and by controlling flies.
(Meat yield from a good-sized bull moose can run into the hundreds of pounds...and it is good eating! Photo by David M. Johnson)
THE GAME BAG
Never use plastic or woven plastic bags because they tend to hold in the heat and don't allow for proper air circulation. Always use cheesecloth or a cheesecloth like material, which is strong enough to carry the meat while it allows for maximum air movement, yet still has a tight enough weave to keep flies out. You can find the bags at most sporting goods stores.
TREATING THE BAG: Prepare a citric acid solution as follows: Blend (in a blender or juicer) three lemons (un-pealed), one large bottle of lemon juice concentrate and one small bottle of Tabasco sauce. Soak the game bags in the solution for 20 minutes to one hour. Then let them air dry completely (not in the dryer). Finally, seal them in zip lock baggies. [You may want to use rubber gloves while preparing these bags -- Webmaster]
RESULTS: Flies may light on the bag but the citric acid burns them and they will not hang around. Also, the citric acid helps to reduce bacteria growth. Bacteria grows rapidly at a pH level of 7.0. The pH level contained in lemons or limes is around 2.35. You can buy a high concentrated dry citric acid at Indian Valley Meats that will make a gallon of liquid for $2.00. This will also help the pH level drop to around 5.3. The higher the pH level the more chance there is of spoiling.
The Alaska Dept of Fish and Game has prepared this
video to assist hunters in preparing the highest
quality meat. Click here to order.
REASONS pH LEVEL WILL BE HIGH: If the animal has been running a long way and is excited its blood sugar level will drop which causes lactic acid in the muscle tissue to be higher. The meat will be darker in color and have an off flavor to it. This is why a clean kill is important.
COOLING THE MEAT
COOL THE MEAT QUICKLY IN WATER: In the field, you want to cool your meat quickly because the sooner the meat is cool, the better the meat will be. You should bleed, gut and skin your animal as soon as you can. Next, you need to reduce the temperature of the meat. If you are near a stream or lake, you can submerge the quarters to bring the temperature down. Do not cool completely in water. Retain enough heat to dry the meat when it comes out of the water. For water cooling, I carry a sheet of plastic "visquine" and spread it out in a lake or stream. Once the animal is quartered, I lay the meat on the visquine and let it cool for twenty-five minutes to an hour (depending on the mass of the meat).
WHY WATER COOL YOUR MEAT? A bath in a stream or lake speeds the cooling process and bleaches out excess blood that feed bacteria and attracts flies. Alaska game animals have a very large meat mass. Consequently, it takes a long time for the meat to cool down. The cold water temperature of the lakes and streams in Alaska help expedite the cooling process.
WATER COOLING CONCERNS: (1). I've been told by several hunters that you should avoid getting meat wet. This is partially true; you don't want to leave meat wet. This is why you retain enough heat in the meat to cause drying once you remove it from the water (also see air drying for procedures to remove excess water). (2). I've also heard concerns about Giardia in the water getting into the meat. While I can't guarantee the purity of the water or possible transfer of bacteria to your meat, I can say that I have never heard of anyone getting sick from water cooled meat, and I talk with a lot of hunters. The decision is yours based upon the conditions at your location, cleanliness of water and outside temperature. Tests have also been done in Canada by Bailight, which show the strong acid in citric acid should take care of Giardia and will also help kill types of bacteria.
AIR DRYING/STORING MEAT IN THE FIELD
AFTER WATER COOLING: After you have brought the temperature of the meat down, you're ready to begin air drying. If you are near water, there is normally a gentle breeze at all times. Hang the meat in such a way as to take advantage of this air movement. Protect the meat from the warm sun with some sort of shelter. I bring a light weight tarp for this purpose
REMOVE EXCESS MOISTURE: Once the meat is hung under the tarp, run your hands down it to squeeze out and remove any excess moisture.
APPLY LEMON JUICE MIXTURE OR CITRIC ACID: Lightly coat the meat with a lemon juice mixture (see game bags). This will create a high acid protective glaze over the meat while it is drying.
PLACE IN GAME BAGS: When the meat is dry, it's ready to place in the game bags and rehang.
FLY TRAPS
NECESSARY SUPPLIES: Buy a small can of Golden Malprin (available at Alaska Mill and Feed) and a small piece of black plastic (a black plastic garbage bag is fine).
BUILDING THE FLY TRAP: Eight to ten feet away from your meat, lay a couple of branches on the ground. Pile scraps of meat on and around the branches. Pour Golden Malprin on and around the scraps of meat. Cut a slit in the center of the garbage bag or black plastic and place the bag loosely over the pile.
HOW IT WORKS: The sun heats the plastic, which heats the meat. The flies are attracted and crawl through the slit in the plastic to the meat. The Golden Malprin kills the flies.
WHEN YOU LEAVE THE AREA: Put the black plastic and the scraps of meat with the Golden Malprin on it in a zip lock baggy and carry it out with you.
WINTER AND COLD WEATHER HUNTING
WHEN HUNTING IN FREEZING TEMPERATURES: The animal should be skinned as soon as possible and then covered with a tarp or plastic after cooling for 20 minutes to 1 hour. If surface starts to freeze, cover the plastic covered carcass with snow to insulate it so that freezing does not occur until rigor mortis sets in. Rigor mortis is the process where the muscle tissue starts to stiffing up. This may take up to 12 hours. If the carcass freezes before rigor mortis sets in the pH will not drop down to around 5.3 and your meat will not be tender and have as good a flavor.
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sweeet reply good advise , thanks
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The Cabela's article:
http://www.cabelas.com/cabelas/en/templates/community/inthefield/fieldguides/guidebooks-story-1.jsp?hierarchyId=87&title=Good%20Meals%20and%20Quality%20Trophies%20Begin%20in%20the%20Field%20&contentId=ross_early_season_care&categoryId=SEARCH_ai
Good Meals and Quality Trophies Begin in the Field
With temperatures hovering in the upper 90's, it's very difficult to focus on hunting season, especially with the sweat that keeps stinging my eyes. Difficult or not, hunting season is coming and with it the cooler temperatures that we all look forward to. While the later seasons will require a return to layering, the early archery and muzzleloader seasons will require hunters to take extra care to ensure that their meat and trophies are properly cared for.
Author: Frank Ross
Two overwhelming factors demand that you plan and execute proper field care in warm temperatures. First, because it is illegal as well as unethical to waste portions of wildlife fit for human consumption, which means a minimum of four quarters, tenderloins and backstrap of any game animal. Secondly, and of equal importance, you don't want to lug all of that heavy meat back to your vehicle and then find out it has spoiled because you didn't take a few simple precautions. It wouldn't make sense to expend all the energy it takes to make a successful hunt, only to have your game rot before it reaches the freezer.
The benefits of game meat are many. It contains no growth hormones, chemical additives or antibiotics, and is healthier than anything you will find in a supermarket. Elk, deer, antelope and moose all have less fat, cholesterol and calories than beef, lamb or pork, which makes their flesh not only tasty but good for the heart.
Plan ahead for success and you'll be ahead of the curve when you begin the task of field dressing your game. Take along some clean cloths, fresh water and a game bag to keep the flies and bugs off of your meat. Bees and sweat flies can be particularly annoying during this process, so take along some insect repellent for yourself as well. Just make sure you wash your hands before handling any meat after applying your repellent.
The most important step is field dressing the animal as soon as it drops. That means removing the guts, heart, lungs, liver, esophagus and other internal organs, as well as cleaning out the rectal bone. After removing all the entrails, roll the animal over to drain the body cavity, then use a clean rag to wipe off excess blood, bone chips, dirt, partially digested food particles and other foreign matter. Do not use creek water to wash it out, as it may be infected with various forms of bacteria and will actually hasten spoilage. Once you've washed out the body cavity, use your cloths to dry off any excess water, which expedites spoilage.
The next step is cooling the meat as quickly as possible. Even after evisceration, the neck and shoulders still retain a lot of heat, which must be dissipated to stop the meat and hide from spoiling. Spoiling usually starts in the neck and radiates backward throughout the whole animal. Time is critical, even in cool weather. Bacterial growth begins at any temperature over 38 degrees Fahrenheit and maggots can hatch within eight hours if the carcass is exposed to flies and other winged insects, which is a given anywhere in the field.
Any experienced meat processor will tell you that the most common mistake made by hunters is not skinning soon enough. Without air circulation, an animal can sour quickly, even in cold weather. When the weather is hot, you've only got a couple of hours to get that hide off so the meat can cool and develop a protective crust.
Only leave the hide on long enough to keep the meat clean, if the animal is going to be dragged on the ground, or if it will be transported over dusty forest service roads in the back of an open pickup. If you have ambitions of tanning the hide, or doing a shoulder mount, dragging your trophy is a bad plan. If you have help, a game pole will work for smaller animals, but you might want to consider other options such as Cabela's Magnum Game Carrier or the Deer Sleigh'r Sled which is easier to pack along to remote areas. Smaller game such as deer and antelope, if transported whole and reasonably quickly, can be skinned back at camp. But larger animals such as elk and moose, which usually have to be packed out in pieces on several trips, should be skinned and quartered in the field. While you're at it, remove all fat, because what little fat there is on a game animal begins going rancid almost immediately, which gives a nasty taste to the meat.
Use good sturdy game bags that are both insect-proof and breathable. Cheap, cheesecloth bags rip easily, and do not protect the meat from birds and blowflies. Get the animal off the ground and out of the sun. Hang it in the shade, off tree branches or, if a cool creek is running nearby, place the covered meat on poles near or above the water. But don't get it wet. Water is the other great enemy besides lack of air circulation. Wet meat will not glaze and sours very quickly. Keep it dry, shaded, preferably in the wind and never cover it with a tarp or plastic bags.
In higher altitudes, even with the best of care, meat hanging in camp will not last more than two days during typical weather, from late August through early October. For lower altitudes, were temperatures don't fluctuate much in the evenings, the time is much shorter. For later seasons, when nighttime temperatures drop into the 20s, hanging meat can last three to five days. That means hunters in the early seasons, who get their game early, but wait for friends to fill their tags before breaking camp, should find a freezer locker in the nearest town or debone their meat and chill it in ice chests. When using a cooler, do not place meat directly on ice. Frozen water bottles work best. Also, do not use baggies or plastic wrap when simply chilling meat, as plastic holds in heat and moisture. Freezer paper or aluminum foil is the way to go, and you'll want to keep the water drained out of your cooler. You can use plastic when the meat finally goes into your freezer back home, but preferably with a vacuum sealer.
Those driving some distance with game bags should remember the importance of air circulation. Don't stack and don't cover them with a tarp that traps heat and cuts off airflow. If you have a topper, leave the back window open to ensure adequate circulation and reduce the ambient temperature.
If you opt to take your animal to a meat processor, taking the time to bone out the meat is a simple process that pays big dividends at the dinner table. Many processors cut meat with the bone left in if it isn't deboned by the owner, but if you ask an honest cutter, they'll admit that deboned elk or deer tastes much better than one with the bones left in. That's because bones and bone marrow impart a more "gamy" taste, as does the fat. Get rid of both and remember that an animal is what it eats. If elk and deer have been eating alfalfa or corn, they're going to taste better than those that have existed on sagebrush or saplings. If you get a gamy animal, it's going to stay gamy. If quality table fare is more important than trophy size, you might want to scout areas where their diet will produce better tasting meat. However, that said, a huge 6x6 muley mounted over the hearth could help you develop a taste for sage.
Lastly, always remember that the better you clean your animal, the better quality of meat you will have. Most hunters know how to take care of their meat, but there are those who leave hair, dirt, gravel, twigs, leaves and pine needles on otherwise well-dressed meat when they deliver it to a processing plant. As for burger and sausage, it's only as good as the meat you put in it. Don't expect processors to work miracles with ground meat if you throw in tendons, muscle, gristle and all the other things you wouldn't eat on a steak. Chances are, it's going into the grinder without much, if any, trimming.
Much of what applies to meat preservation also applies to hide and trophy care. Bacterial growth starts at the same temperature for meat or hides and air circulation is just as critical. You'll want to keep the hide cool, never get it wet and remember that hair can start slipping after only one and a half days of 60-degree weather.
A common complaint from taxidermists is hunters who don't give them enough hide to work with; the most common mistake made by those skinning out a trophy is cutting it too short. For a proper head mount with full sweep of the neck, a good taxidermist needs nearly half the hide cut well behind the shoulders at mid-rib so the brisket and front armpits are all there. That means peeling the hide off the front part of the animal literally like a sausage, all the way up the neck to the base of the skull.
If you don't know how to cape out a head, cut it off at the first vertebrae and let the taxidermist do the rest. Many taxidermists prefer to do it themselves, since the hair on a head is short and mistakes are hard to repair. The most common error by do-it-yourselfers is a cape with four eyeholes, which happens when they cut into the membrane right above the eyeball. Sliced lips are next and almost impossible to repair, as well as leaving the nose attached to the skull instead of the hide.
Below the head, where the hair is long on the neck, brisket and shoulders, nicks, cuts and holes are relatively easy to repair. In fact 90 percent of a taxidermist's work is repairing the blemishes of skinners and tanners. That said, try to skin as cleanly as possible, leaving meat, fat and muscle tissue on the carcass rather than the hide. Otherwise, you or a taxidermist will have to spend extra hours scraping the hide clean. Your time is free, but his is not!
When packing, storing or transporting hides, think dry and cold; moisture and heat are the big enemies. The best way to store a hide in camp is folded up, hair on the outside, skin on the inside, in a breathable burlap sack kept off the ground in the coolest, shadiest spot you can find. The hide also can be kept in an ice chest as long as the ice is in a plastic bag and water are kept below the hide, or if a piece of burlap separates the hide from the melted ice.
Salting a cape removes the moisture in which bacteria thrive, but most taxidermists advises not to salt unless you absolutely have to, and then only if you do it thoroughly and well. It's no use salting a cape with the head still attached because the unsalted portion of hide on the skull will invariably spoil and ruin the whole thing. It's best to freeze a cape with the head attached and take it that way to your taxidermist. And never freeze a salted cape, as it will slowly rot in the freezer.
If the head has been skinned out and you only have the cape to deal with, make sure all the fat and meat has been removed before salting. Salt cannot penetrate fat, meaning those portions will spoil, and it can only penetrate about a half inch of meat. Rub salt into every exposed portion of skin, paying close attention to all edges, eyes, lips, ears and mouth, then roll up the hide and store in a cool area. After 24 hours, shake out the wet salt and do all over again. That will remove about a half-gallon of moisture from the average deer hide and over a gallon from a full-grown bull elk - but even that may not prevent spoilage for long in hot weather. Freezing without salt is by far the best option, and for a real trophy it's well worth a run to town no matter what the distance.
If you have great expectations, based on pre-season scouting, it would be best to locate the taxidermist you intend to use and ask how he wants you to deliver your future trophy. Most prefer their capes fresh over frozen and frozen over salted, but it's best not to assume. Once you've taken your trophy, get it out of the woods as fast as possible and let a professional take care of it. Leave your friends to hunt alone, or rejoin them later, after you've delivered your cape. It's an extra effort, and might not be as much fun as sitting around camp and reliving your moment of success, but when you think about the consequences it just makes sense. After all the work you've put into scouting, hunting, and hide care, the last thing you want to show off is a monster rack mounted on a bald head.
Gear List
Alaska Game Bags
Cabela's Magnum Game Carrier
Field Dressing Kit
Deer Sleigh'r Sled
Gambrel & Hoist Lift System
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Good info, thanks to all!
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If it's not too hot, just get it quartered, and hang it in shade with game bags on it. It will cool out good. Pee or spit around the area to discourage coyotes. Pull the gut pile a little ways off in the open so the birds go to the gutpile and hopefully leave your meat alone. Also think about where the sun will come up in the morning before you get back.
Meat will survive warmer temps than most people think, if you get it in the shade and all parted out to air out and cool it down fast. If weather is too hot, you better look for a creek.
Great Idea's! I always carry extra socks and a t-shirt that way I change them and hang the smelly clothes around the area it also discourages the pest's. To waste a t-shirt hung is strips is cheap insurance.
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If you head down to Mexico for a week prior to hunting the bacteria level may not bother you to bad. :chuckle:
Just get that thing cooled down or it can green up on you fairly quick.