Hunting Washington Forum
Equipment & Gear => Guns and Ammo => Topic started by: Red Dawg on December 01, 2007, 04:16:30 PM
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having trouble with 300 ultra mag. shooting nosler accubonds 180 grain at 3200 ft at the muzzle. i think that it may be going a little to quick for that particular bullet at less than 200 yards. can someone help me out. i would appriciate any help. i am new at this.
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What type of "trouble" are you having?
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Iceman,
He's blowing softball size chunks of meat off the animal at the entrance hole!! :dunno: I wouldn't have believed it but I seen it with my own eyes!
Wazzu99
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coug99 is correct. it is quite the deal. i think that it goes through the animal to fast and it doesnt tair anthing up inside. i think if i go up to 200 grain of something(any suggestions) and stay under 3000 ft i will be ok.
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There's no such thing as going through an animal "too fast." But it could be going faster than that bullet is designed for and it could be expanding too quickly when it first hits the animal. You should try using a Barnes TSX in 180 grain. Or, a 200 grain Accubond would probably be a great choice as well. The Barnes is 100% copper and won't come apart even at 3200 fps, so with it you would be ok with the lighter weight.
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RD are you being serious??? Give me a break your shooting a 300UM and are worried about too much bullet expansion. If you are worried about ruining meat then go with a .243 and take head shots. 3200 with a 180 out of a 300UM is not off the charts at all. 3400 is attainable pretty easily so I would think Nosler has anticipated any potential velocity and then some.
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im not sure if the bullet is exploding on contact or what. i have heard rumors that nosler says you shouldnt shoot the accubond faster than 3100 ft. i think that at 300 yards i wouldnt have a problem but any less than that with that particular bullet i dont think it will perform as designed. i bought it for deer hunting out of state for long shots but in this state you rarely ever need to shoot that far, at least with my experience anyway. i have never been able to find a bullet so i am very curiuos as to what really happens. i was hoping that somebody with more knowledge than i about reloading and or types of bullets that they use shooting something similar to what i am using.
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RD.. I guess you would have to examine the animal and internals to determine what kind of expansion and when. It is pretty easy to lay out the gut pile and simply re-trace the bullet path. If you are getting good expansion at the start, tearing everything up, and then exiting the other side how does it get any better? Why would you want to change what is working? If it is a meat saving issue go with head/neck shots not a less expanding bullet. It sounds like you are shooting well under 300yds so the head shot can be done fairly easily. That way you don't end up chasing or loosing an animal because you did not get bullet expansion. If it is not a meat saving issue then keep blowing huge holes and laughing about slamming them down on the way to the Taxidermist. As far as Nosler rating this bullet at 3100 max just call them and ask. If it is rated at 3100 and your starting at 3200 you are within the bullets rating within 100yds.
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thanks for the advice. i guess i could be a little bit over critical. the bullet made a 8" hole on the entrance and it was a small bullet hole on the exit. i think that is different. the vitals had a hole through them but it seems like the old 06 did a better job of tearing up the organs. i don't like to wonder about these types of things. i guess just like anyone else.
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Iceman,
He's blowing softball size chunks of meat off the animal at the entrance hole!! :dunno: I wouldn't have believed it but I seen it with my own eyes!
Wazzu99
I shoot a 300RUM, 180gr Scirrocco's, never seen the entry hole very big...the exit wound on the other hand....can be sizeable, especially on deer. This year I neck shot a muley at under 100yards, normal entry hole, 3" exit hole. Cow Elk I shot this year, normal entry wound, no exit hole, which surprised me. Anticipated damage to elk, hide retained the bullet on the opposing side.
I grazed a muley two years ago, moving last minute shot, grazed the ribcage from behind, bullet entering around the last rib, exiting in a path of destruction along the entire ribcage, blowing out most ribs 3 to 5 inch path. Sucked the lung out the side of the deer. You could stick a nerf football into the deer from the outside, into the lungs, what was left of them...ugly....
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Here is a link to another forum with someone having similar problems. Red Dawg does that look familar?
http://www.ifish.net/board/showthread.php?p=1767003#post1767003
Wazzu99
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Ok, just read the link. The link speaks to a glancing shot, bullet never entering the animal fully, just damaging the side of the deer, like in my example.
Red Dawg and Wazzu99, if you guys have a deer that had a huge entry wound, yet a tiny exit wound, this defies the physics involved with a wound canal. I would have no idea how this could happen. I am not going to ask the obvious; if you could be mistaken as to which side of the deer you shot, as this would be disrespectful and inappropriate, and I would not want to give the impression that I am either...
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WOW Iceman, that was incredibly doplomatic......LMAO. I was kinda thinking the same thing to be honest as I get 3150 outta my 300winny with 180gr Scirocco's and have never seen the problem as described above. But I am unsure as to how directly the Accubond compares to the scirocco as well. I know it has the same design and should function the same way, but that does not always mean it will as well. I know I've seen my hunting partner shoot one elk, one moose and one deer with a 300wsm and 180gr accubonds, and they have performed as I would have expected for the scirocco.
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well, dead fast is what we want. right. so no prob with turning the heart and lungs to jelly. you say this gun is doing this accurately? so the bullets not getting spanked too hard and tumbling?
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Sure sounds like some kind of bullet failure. 3200 out of a 300RUM isn't exceedingly fast. As Bobcat suggested the TSX will solve that. I shoot TSX bullets way faster than 3200 and have never had any issues with bullet failure or massive damage to an animal.
Swift's bullets are great too. Bear Claws and North Fork would be a couple others to consider.
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iceman thank you for your info, i agree that this particular shot that i am describing defies physics but it is true. that is why i am so worried about it. the gun is very accurate with the load. i killed a yote with it at 350 yds a week ago and it pretty much did the same thing. my buddies all shoot the same bullet out of a 300 wsm and it performs flawlessly for them. maybe the bullet just doesnt like my gun. thanks you guys for all of you knowledge, like i said i am very new at this reloading thing and i am just trying to get it figured out. i got the formula for the ammo right out of the nosler book. i am used to buying remington factory loads and have never had a problem with doing that. but like many say the 300rum ammo is 60$. i have shot 100 rounds so i have already saved a ton of dough. but i am wondering if it is worth all of the headache if the bullet will perform on the big one.
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I hope you figure it out. Keep us up to date. I shoot the same and am getting ready to reload this spring, I finally have enough brass to justify setting the gear up to reload a bunch.
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thanks iceman. i hope i will get it figured out. i think i may with the help you guys have given me. coug99 even comes up with some good ideas once in a while. by the way he is going to be a father any minute now. congrats to you coug. hope you will still be able to go dawg hunting.
