Post by: Kain on July 17, 2009, 04:58:59 PM
Post by: Huntbear on July 17, 2009, 05:44:31 PM
However, if you are using premium bullets a 240 gr. should do just fine. I am
As for effective range with open sights, that is kind of up to you. How much do you practice? Do you regularly shoot out to 50-60 yards? How about 75 yards? Are you using shooting sticks or just off hand shooting? I am comfortable out to 60 yards with my 6" Redhawk. Others may be more or less.
Post by: Kain on July 17, 2009, 06:06:52 PM
Post by: Kain on July 17, 2009, 06:10:34 PM
Post by: rasbo on July 17, 2009, 06:12:39 PM
Post by: Huntbear on July 17, 2009, 06:25:25 PM
300gr with a hot load? Hows that feel on the hand? Sounds kind of unpleasant. :chuckle:
Kind of like shooting a .454. I have to quit after 20 rounds. Can not hack it after that. B
Post by: Kain on July 17, 2009, 06:31:37 PM
300gr with a hot load? Hows that feel on the hand? Sounds kind of unpleasant. :chuckle:
Kind of like shooting a .454. I have to quit after 20 rounds. Can not hack it after that. B
Sounds like a shoulder breaker on both ends of the barrel. :chuckle:
Post by: Huntbear on July 18, 2009, 02:05:27 PM
Post by: TheHunt on July 19, 2009, 01:58:20 PM
Post by: Huntbear on July 19, 2009, 08:34:19 PM
300gr with a hot load? Hows that feel on the hand? Sounds kind of unpleasant. :chuckle:
Kind of like shooting a .454. I have to quit after 20 rounds. Can not hack it after that. B
Sounds like a shoulder breaker on both ends of the barrel. :chuckle:
And I can hold them in a 5 in. circle at 50 yards over a stump.
Post by: Bofire on July 20, 2009, 08:16:42 AM
Carl
Post by: Huntbear on July 20, 2009, 11:58:09 AM
For tough, thick skinned animals, however, give me my 300 gr. handload every time, because I know it will penetrate,(from shoulder to shoulder on a bull elk at 60 yards) and it expands wonderfully.
Post by: JackOfAllTrades on July 20, 2009, 12:46:26 PM
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I have worked up handloads that are real whompers. 300 gr. Sierra JSP, pushed by a full boat load of H110. Sierra designed this bullet for bear and boar. It WILL NOT expand on a deer shoulder, . I wanted a JSP over a HP for penetration, and I like heavy bullets anyway.
I've done the same but also use the 250gn FPJ that's running out the barrel faster and actually hits harder than the 300gn Sierra JSP's do. I keep three of each in the gun. I push either of the Sierra selections with ample amounts of win296 or AA#9 for best accuracy and velocity.
Are they painful from my Redhawk or Ruger SBH Bisley? Managable... I don't like shooting more than 25 in a shooting session.
If you're shooting factory loads, I'd look for something better than the Win240hp's. Some Hornady XTP's would be a better choice if you're going to stick with the HP. I agree with HuntBear, Penetration, over expansion is my choice when hunting game larger than Deer at pistol distances.
-Steve
Post by: Kain on July 20, 2009, 05:07:31 PM
:)I cut two Winchester Soft points out of a small black bears neck, 240 grain, 44 mag, shot from about 10 feet. They penetrated abou 2-3 inches. did not mushroom at all.
Carl
Wow that must be some crap ammo. I know for a fact that what I am shooting will do better than that on any bear. Are you sure they were not 44 specials?
Post by: Bofire on July 20, 2009, 08:13:05 PM
BEAR ONLY
Flame on, I do not think any handgun bullets expand, I think your only chance is penetration, I would use nothing but hard cast 300-350 grain bullets. Kain, How many bears you shot?
I have killed a few, and a bunch of other game. I have been in on, in the dark, at 10 feet or less, the killing of two wounded bear also. with hand guns
none of my experience is based on magazines, or stories.
Carl
Post by: Abolt338 on July 21, 2009, 11:35:04 PM
RW
Post by: Dean44 on July 22, 2009, 05:20:01 AM
I have killed several Elk and Deer with the SRH and a few deer with my S&W. Out of the Super Redhawk I prefer full throttle loads with a 300 grain bullet and H110. I choose bullets that can be seated as far forward as the cylinder will allow. This greatly increases case capacity and potential power. My favorite bullets are the 300 grain Hornady XTP and 300 grain hard cast lead. The 300 Grain XTP has a shallow hollow point so it expands moderately. I have never had it not expand on an elk. For hard cast I prefer the Lee mould that is slightly over 300 grains. With a gas check it is 317 grains. It has a very wide front and does considerable damage without expanding. This bullet is one of the great bone crushers and will break both front shoulders or a hip and a front shoulder on an elk. If I am using the hard cast bullet, I try to make bone crushing shots instead of lung shots.
This is my experience with the .44 and you can apply it to bears as you wish. I have been carrying the XTP for bear hunting.
Post by: Huntbear on July 23, 2009, 09:02:12 AM
Post by: PWN Kurt on July 24, 2009, 07:15:23 AM
Another good choice is the 265 JSP HDY. That bullet is designed for the 444 marlin, and therefor has a thicker jacket and designed expand at higher velocities...it would act more or less like a solid.
I also like the hardcast bullets, Cast Performance WNFPGC and about 18 grains of H110.
This is my load for my Ruger Alaskan for defense/back up. Its not a long enough bbl for hunting.
Post by: TeacherMan on July 28, 2009, 06:26:04 PM
Post by: Huntbear on July 28, 2009, 06:52:20 PM
I know a guy that went to Alaska grizzly hunting and took only his .44 mag. He said he learned that he could shoot and sh!t his pants at the same time. He said he never realized how big an 71/2 foot bear was till it stood up on its hind legs 8 yards from him. :yike: :yike:
He got his bear, but said he will never ever go after a grizzly again with less than a .338 WM.
Post by: TeacherMan on July 28, 2009, 07:35:07 PM
Teacherman,
I know a guy that went to Alaska grizzly hunting and took only his .44 mag. He said he learned that he could shoot and sh!t his pants at the same time. He said he never realized how big an 71/2 foot bear was till it stood up on its hind legs 8 yards from him. :yike: :yike:
He got his bear, but said he will never ever go after a grizzly again with less than a .338 WM.
thats funny, :chuckle: I was thinking of doing it with a stick and string (bow) once I move there... :chuckle:
Post by: PWN Kurt on July 28, 2009, 10:22:54 PM
Kurt
Post by: TeacherMan on July 28, 2009, 10:27:00 PM
Post by: backwoods_boy on July 29, 2009, 12:55:24 PM
Post by: TeacherMan on July 29, 2009, 06:15:41 PM
Post by: Huntbear on July 29, 2009, 10:06:42 PM
Post by: TeacherMan on July 29, 2009, 10:14:23 PM
Good choice Teacherman, other than a 12 gauge with an 18 in. barrel, mag tube ext. and full of slugs and 00 buck, best bear medicine out there, for a quick handling weapon. Open sights right???
open sights is the only way to go on that gun :tup: The hardest thing that I have found is finding a bullet that is cast hard enough so it doesn't flatten out to quickly. The 405's made my Remington are garbage on the big bears because you just don't get the penetration. I found Kodiak bullets that have the thicker jacket that allow for better penetration. I think you took a bullet made for the 458 and use it in the 45-70, but I'm not sure. I had my father in law pick up a griz tag over the counter maybe he will get to try it out, it opens the 10th up there. Only $25 for a gizz tag over the counter because he is resident.
Post by: PWN Kurt on July 30, 2009, 10:57:39 PM
There's some good bullets out there for the 45.70 that won't expand to quickly and provide good penetration.
Kurt
Post by: Big Boar on July 31, 2009, 11:09:47 AM