Post by: Al Bundy on August 02, 2009, 05:56:33 PM
I stumbled across Hi Point handguns over at Able Ammo and couldn't believe the prices. A 45 ACP for $169?
I did some searching on line and they seem to be love 'em or hate 'em kind of guns. I'm just wondering if anyone here has any experience with them whether it's good or bad.
Post by: Bofire on August 02, 2009, 08:40:14 PM
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Post by: Pathfinder101 on August 02, 2009, 10:08:33 PM
Post by: satchel3006 on August 02, 2009, 10:14:55 PM
http://www.mouseguns.com/hipoint/hipoint.htm
http://www.hipointfirearmsforums.com/Forum/index.php?PHPSESSID=69c63d2b1589c0ae8fd35de7448e9c03;www
also if you dont have any experiance with one how can you have a helpful opinion?
Post by: Al Bundy on August 02, 2009, 10:27:40 PM
I have one that I keep under the front seat of my pickup for "emergencies". I have never had a problem with it mechanically, but I have yet to meet anyone who can hit much with it. Depends what you want it for, I guess... :dunno:
Mainly a pack gun for hiking and stuff. Probably keep it in my night stand in case someone decides to visit in the middle of the night too. The guys at Shooting Times say it's decent, so do other gun review sites. The unlimited lifetime warranty whether your the first or fifth owner is nice too.
Besides you, has anyone else here shot one?
Post by: satchel3006 on August 02, 2009, 11:29:12 PM
Post by: coriantonk on August 03, 2009, 01:47:15 AM
As for the acuracy question, We had no problems at all. My dad had the rear notch sight replaced with a ring, and it shoots great.
Most of the people that I have talked to who have actually shot them were very pleased.
I think that part of the problem is that it is not as easy to justify a $600 gun when a $200 gun will work. So they complain that they are ugly and heavy. That is true. My dads Hi-Point 9mm is the same size as My Ruger P97 in .45. I think they are a great pistol especially if you dont already have one, and the budget is tight.
Post by: Banjo on August 03, 2009, 08:57:01 AM
Post by: Straight Shooter on August 03, 2009, 09:07:59 AM
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Post by: Al Bundy on August 03, 2009, 05:29:29 PM
What happens at 3 oclock in the morning when somebody breaks into your house and for some reason you dont have a tight grip when you pull the trigger?
I'd imagine due to adrenaline I'd be gripping it pretty damn tight, even at 3 in the morning.
Anyhow, I need to find a gn shop around here that sells them so I can check them out up close.
Post by: Pathfinder101 on August 05, 2009, 07:49:06 PM
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Post by: satchel3006 on August 06, 2009, 09:52:16 AM
Post by: GoldTip on August 06, 2009, 11:12:05 AM
I have shot one a few times and they arent too bad feeling. They are heavier than I like and I definitely wouldnt trust them to protect me. They are great for range guns and rarely jam when you hold them with a tight grip, but the blowback operation will jam every time if you loosen up your hands. What happens at 3 oclock in the morning when somebody breaks into your house and for some reason you dont have a tight grip when you pull the trigger?
The tight grip comment can be made for any semi auto pistol I have ever used. Curently I own a Colt 1911, Glock 17 and Ruger MarkII. If you limp wrist any of them you will get a stove pipe.
Post by: Rob on August 06, 2009, 12:35:19 PM
Why would a tight grip impact the ability for a semi auto to cycle a shell? The only thing I can come up with is that a loose grip would allow some of the energy from the recoil to transfer into moving the gun rather than cycling the action. But that still seems kinda odd to me.
I'm not much of a handgun guy though.
Post by: GoldTip on August 06, 2009, 12:48:42 PM
"dumb person" question here...
Why would a tight grip impact the ability for a semi auto to cycle a shell? The only thing I can come up with is that a loose grip would allow some of the energy from the recoil to transfer into moving the gun rather than cycling the action. But that still seems kinda odd to me.
I'm not much of a handgun guy though.
Exactly right, let too much energy transfer into moving your wrist and the slide doesn't fully cycle.
Post by: Rob on August 06, 2009, 02:42:09 PM
Post by: fishcrazy on August 08, 2009, 08:46:25 AM
I don't know how they can make any $$$ on those things but they must as they have been around for awhile.
Kris
Post by: chevysquid on August 08, 2009, 08:55:23 AM
Post by: Pathfinder101 on August 10, 2009, 07:51:30 AM
Hell, buy two of them, if one jams use the other. :chuckle:
:chuckle: :chuckle:
Post by: Bscman on August 10, 2009, 04:52:38 PM
Guns and Ammo did a test on these a few years back, and it beat out the Beretta Carbine in EVERY TEST except looks. It has been 100% flawless.
That being said, there is a WORLD OF DIFFERENCE between their carbines and their pistols. If you want a pistol that is twice the size it should be, with a slippery grip, and a terrible trigger...it's the gun for you.
On a side note, they are reliable and the company has an awesome warranty and customer service center. Not that accurate, but neither is a box-stock glock or many other handguns for that matter. Still, more than accurate enough for what it is made to do.
That being said, my local pawn shop has a like-new charter arms .38+p revolver...for the same price as the hipoint pistol, it'd be 3 times the gun. You can also buy bersa's in .380 or 9mm for around $250-275 new and you'll have a better gun, with better resale, and that is more durable....
Post by: dontgetcrabs on August 14, 2009, 04:23:48 PM
Post by: JoshT on August 14, 2009, 08:26:52 PM
Buddy of mine has the 9mm carbine... it's pretty reliable, and fairly accurate... but if I'm using a long gun in a defense type situation... I'll opt for a shotgun everytime!
Post by: satchel3006 on August 15, 2009, 02:04:04 PM
Never seen one in an IDPA match... that tells me enough right there.
what exactly does that tell you besides nothing
Post by: Pathfinder101 on August 15, 2009, 08:37:08 PM
Never seen one in an IDPA match... that tells me enough right there.
If I shoot an IDPA match, I'll buy another pistol. I don't want a $1,000 pistol living under the front seat of my pickup.. :bdid:
Post by: JoshT on August 15, 2009, 08:48:14 PM
If I shoot an IDPA match, I'll buy another pistol. I don't want a $1,000 pistol living under the front seat of my pickup.. :bdid:
I just won the ESP/SS division state championship today with a $400 XD... a pistol that's capable of performing under such circumstances seems a much more solid investment for a measley extra $250.
what exactly does that tell you besides nothing
That tells me that no one would trust their life to one... or even a risk a time penalty clearing jams. You learn a lot about what works and what don't when you watch well over 1000 pistol rounds get fired in all kinds of situations, from all types of handguns, in one afternoon. There are a lot of "cheap" guns that get shot at these matches ($300-$500)... CZ-75s, XDs, Glocks, Styers, etc... all these are proven, reliable, accurate weapons that can handle pretty much anything that's thrown at them... can't say the same about a Hi Point. A pistol that may or may not go bang when I pull the trigger... may or may not eject the spent case without stove-piping... may or may not load another round... and may or may not go bang again (repeat as necessary)... doesn't belong under a bed, pick-up seat, or ass cheek in a holster... no matter what it costs.
Post by: coriantonk on August 16, 2009, 12:20:34 AM
Post by: Pathfinder101 on August 16, 2009, 10:49:25 AM
I hate that I am in the position of defending cheap gear (because they are cheap), but the chief complaint here seems to be that they don't cost enough..
Post by: JoshT on August 16, 2009, 12:45:32 PM
I am just curious have you ever used one?
I've shot a couple... and both stove piped while running through some drills. The operating system just doesn't allow for any wiggle room in the way the pistol is held. I suppose if you were to stand in a stall and shoot at a paper bullseye all day... you could probably get one to function propperly.
My chief complaint is that they aren't reliable enough... and reliability is #1 on my list of priorities when considering a handgun purchase, accuracy is #2. I'd love to be able to buy a pistol that's as reliable and accurate as my XD for $200... you'd never hear me dogging on it for not costing more money.
Post by: tonymoe on August 16, 2009, 02:02:56 PM
with that being said, some people told me not to use my ruger p89 for defense :dunno:
They are cheap enough to buy one, I have wasted more money on trying out different tents, let alone a gun
Post by: snagglepants on August 27, 2009, 11:44:50 AM
Post by: hillbilly_hippo on August 27, 2009, 02:22:35 PM
Post by: snagglepants on August 28, 2009, 01:16:22 PM
The real question is, does it come with an Air Jordans box?
You of all people know that, yes, it does indeed come in an Air Jordans box hidden under my bed...lol
Post by: demontang on August 28, 2009, 03:21:47 PM
Post by: satchel3006 on August 28, 2009, 04:02:29 PM
Im not impressed u can get other handguns used that are way better. Its a spray an pray type of gun. I would save up and get something else.
spoken by someone whose never shot one
Post by: JoshT on August 28, 2009, 06:07:58 PM
Save your money... buy a quality handgun. If you want a $150 pistol to shoot and "practice with"... buy a .22. If you want a home defense weapon for $150... buy a cheap shotgun. If you want to waste $150... give me a call... I'll meet you somwhere and kick you in the bag for $75... that'll save you half your money.
Post by: dontgetcrabs on August 28, 2009, 07:20:59 PM
I've shot them... more than one. They suck. If they were a good handgun... and only cost $150... you'd see them all over the place... guys would be buying 2 or 3 of them just to have "under the seat of the truck". But, they're not a good handgun... they're a piece of schitt... that's why you don't see too many of them... even though they only cost $150.
Save your money... buy a quality handgun. If you want a $150 pistol to shoot and "practice with"... buy a .22. If you want a home defense weapon for $150... buy a cheap shotgun. If you want to waste $150... give me a call... I'll meet you somwhere and kick you in the bag for $75... that'll save you half your money.
Sounds like someone probably beat you at one of your little matches with one and you are bitter? :chuckle:
Post by: JoshT on August 28, 2009, 07:27:33 PM
Lets see if anyone can pull up a review anywhere where the Hi-Point compared favorably... except for the Compton Ghetto Gun Monthly.
Post by: Mookie on August 29, 2009, 12:48:55 AM
Here is just one.
http://www.shootingtimes.com/handgun_reviews/hipoint_100605/
Post by: demontang on August 29, 2009, 05:03:42 PM
Post by: Al Bundy on August 29, 2009, 06:47:31 PM
I've shot them... more than one. They suck. If they were a good handgun... and only cost $150... you'd see them all over the place... guys would be buying 2 or 3 of them just to have "under the seat of the truck". But, they're not a good handgun... they're a piece of schitt... that's why you don't see too many of them... even though they only cost $150.
Save your money... buy a quality handgun. If you want a $150 pistol to shoot and "practice with"... buy a .22. If you want a home defense weapon for $150... buy a cheap shotgun. If you want to waste $150... give me a call... I'll meet you somwhere and kick you in the bag for $75... that'll save you half your money.
How does the cost matter? It only costs Glock $75-80 to manufacture one of their guns (as of 2003 at least, see the link), the rest is markup. I'm willing to bet it's the same for other gun makers too. Hi Point could keep the price low by keeping the markup low. That doesn't mean they scrimp on quality.
Post by: JoshT on August 29, 2009, 10:29:10 PM
If Glocks sold for $150... you'd see them all over the place... because the quality is there and they're reliable accurate weapons. If XDs sold for $150... the same would be true. So, the Hi-Point DOES sell for $150... yet, you almost never see them... that says something about the quality. If I could get the reliability, accuracy, and quality of my XD (or Glock, Sig... hell, even Taurus) for $150... I'd buy five of them... so would everyone else. BUT, the Hi-Point is a clunky, unreliable weapon (they do "scrimp on quality")... with no history of use by anyone who actually needs a handgun to defend their own life, or the lives of others... so even at $150 they aren't attractive to even the general public, let alone those who'd actually use one for what a pistol is for.
If they were the same "caliber" of weapon that the Glock, Sig, XD, or Kimber was... and cost only 1/3rd... you see them on just about every LEO around... they would be flying off the shelves... and it would be a glorious day in handgunville. But they're not... they're a "cheap" alternative... when you handle one side by side with just about any of the other big players in the market... you can tell why.
Post by: Rob on August 29, 2009, 11:54:14 PM
Post by: skeeter on October 23, 2009, 01:09:40 PM
My father owns several, A 9MM, a .45 and a .380. Again, all run flawlessly and he likes em but he's got Popeye arms so he doesn't mind the weight.
If it's what you can afford and will practice with then go for it. I prefer my 1911 or my Browning Hi power but I certainly wouldn't feel defenseless with a Hi Point. If you do your part it will do it's part.
The only people I've met that sneer at Hi Points are those that haven't used one.
There's nothing wrong with a firearm that functions and lets people on limited budgets have the ability to defend themselves.
If you get it and decide you don't like it you can always upgrade later. If you happen to get one that doesn't work 100%, that's what the warranty is for.
Post by: Grizzly95 on October 23, 2009, 01:34:41 PM
Post by: phishisgroovin on October 23, 2009, 03:37:35 PM
Where else can you get a pistol for $169 with a LIFETIME warranty that is transferable to ANYONE that ever purchases that pistol POSTAGE included, No questions asked, they just send out the parts usually if needed. I have shot over 1000 rounds through mine and it still hits where i aim it. I will never sell it due to the lifetime warranty.
I got mine and two mags for $130.00 a few years ago.
Hi-Point is a fine little pistol.
Just a pain to strip for cleaning. I abuse mine too only cleaning the barrel and oiling it and its very reliable.
I only shoot jacketed rounds in it.
If you are near Kent, I will let you fire mine a few times at Champion indoor range.
EDIT: PS, i trust mine with my life. Its comfortable to plink with also. It took me a nice box of ammo to get used to it, a few rounds to get it dialed in to my liking. I aim it at targets up in colockum pass when we camp out to 100 yards and i can hit my target many times over with it shooting basic bulk FMJ ammo. The sight system is really nice actually also as its really easy to see when shooting.
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