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Title: LEGAL Muzzle loaders
Post by: GHETTO GUIDE on August 07, 2009, 11:18:27 PM
Hola all' , This is my first post , just been lurkin around.

What is the top LEGAL muzzle loaders you all are shooting??   I sold my bow and am hunting black powder again this year and getting a new toy.

Any thoughts??
Thanks ,

Ghetto.
Title: Re: LEGAL Muzzle loaders
Post by: SrDesigner2 on August 08, 2009, 09:34:33 AM
Just so happens that this is my 3rd post and I'm doing the same thing you are, due to family and work committments I no longer have time to Archery hunt.

I picked up a Traditions Pursuit NW for $259.00 at Bi Mart in Yakima. I shot it this weekend for the first time, after adding Tru-Glo sights on it. I put the sights on with a little help from my machinist friend, as the were supposed to fit on but required an additional hole to actually work.

I was grouping touching holes/single holes on the first 3 shot volley. High and Right, so I adjusted and shot another cloverleaf closer and closer until I had it deadnutz. Then moved the action out to 100 yrds and was, surprisingly, still on point of aim but the groups opened up to 6 inches. All this with Hornady XTP 300 gr Magnums .452, and 100grains of 777 fffg. And using Traditions brand Sabots (I think they are MMB's EZ Load)

I believe that if I had a scope mounted on there, that I'd be getting sub MOA groups at 100 and possibly beyond. But, the ghostring Tru-Glo sights don't afford much of a sight picture for a "dot" at that range. For hunting accuracy, I'm sure the gun is capable beyond what I can shoot, but I'm limiting my shots to sub 100 yrds regardless.

Good Luck with your changeover,  SrD

Title: Re: LEGAL Muzzle loaders
Post by: Wacenturion on August 08, 2009, 02:50:11 PM
Washington legal.............Knight Bighorn and Knight Wolverine with the right breech plug for percussion or musket caps.  Even if you find one set up for .209 primers you can switch it out with Knight breech plug #900023....at least on the wolverine.  The Bighorn comes with all the different ignition systems.

Any tradition TC Hawkens or Renegades are also legal.  TC Black Diamond also....in line.

Other.....some of the Traditions, CVA's etc.
Title: Re: LEGAL Muzzle loaders
Post by: GHETTO GUIDE on August 09, 2009, 12:16:13 PM
Thanks ,

I am under the same time constraints, 2 kids and not as much time to hunt/ and the freezer is runnin low.

What about quality, and accuracy of these, I am doing my research but would love some input.

Thanks again.
Title: Re: LEGAL Muzzle loaders
Post by: Armadillo on August 09, 2009, 06:34:40 PM
is it legal to drill a hole in a gun that has a 209 primer, Ive heard answers on both sides?
Title: Re: LEGAL Muzzle loaders
Post by: bobcat on August 09, 2009, 06:51:51 PM
Not sure what you mean Armadillo. You mean so it's "exposed to the elements?"  You'd still have the 209 primer which is not legal.
Title: Re: LEGAL Muzzle loaders
Post by: Armadillo on August 09, 2009, 09:05:27 PM
Yeah that would expose it but i just brushed up on my reading in the regs lol
Title: Re: LEGAL Muzzle loaders
Post by: jrebel on August 12, 2009, 07:19:48 PM
Thompson Center Black Diamond XR is a great gun, and it is leagal in WA.
Title: Re: LEGAL Muzzle loaders
Post by: Craig on August 12, 2009, 09:38:17 PM
I use a Knight Bighorn. Works great and a good shooter.
Title: Re: LEGAL Muzzle loaders
Post by: Karl Blanchard on August 12, 2009, 10:11:58 PM
my bighorn is like one of my children, I love her to death but knight is going out of business so that might not be your best route.  I love the look, feel, and shootability of my bighorn but I personaly think that the t/c blackdiamond has a more accurate barrel. With that being said I think they have ugly lines and feel like a toy and I would never buy one.  I could never be unfaithful to my knight, cheating is wrong!
Title: Re: LEGAL Muzzle loaders
Post by: elkman11032 on August 14, 2009, 10:52:47 AM
EVEN IF YOU DRILL A HOLE YOU STILL HAVE TO HAVE A #11 PRIMING SYSTEM, THAT MEANS CHANGE THE PLUG... AND NIPPLE SYSTEMS OUT

Title: Re: LEGAL Muzzle loaders
Post by: ratherhunt on September 10, 2009, 10:29:28 PM
Knight Bighorn Awesome gun
Title: Re: LEGAL Muzzle loaders
Post by: BoomWhop on September 12, 2009, 06:47:34 PM
Thopmson Center Black Diamond XR and St Louis Hawkins
Title: Re: LEGAL Muzzle loaders
Post by: Whitelightning on September 13, 2009, 03:17:54 PM
Hi guy's this is my first post here, looks like a great site.

I would like to add White Rifles are also legal in this state in fact all of the models are. The company is no longer producing rifles, but you can still many around. I happen to own more than a dozen.

Accuracy is outstanding with these, all of mine whether .410, .451. .504 or .540 will shoot 2" or less at 100 yards. As will many other other brands if you take the time and effort to work up loads with differant powder, bullet combo's. You will find one or two combonations that will make your Muzzle Loader the envy of any Modern shooter at the range.

I took a Bear this last Friday with one of my .504 Cal's shooting a 510gr conical over 80gr T7fffg dropped in his tracks at 75 yards.

Keep yer powder dry!
Title: Re: LEGAL Muzzle loaders
Post by: bobcat on September 13, 2009, 03:23:33 PM
Also there are many "traditional" sidelock muzzleloaders available, ALL of which are legal.
Title: Re: LEGAL Muzzle loaders
Post by: Whitelightning on September 13, 2009, 04:47:52 PM
bobcat,
Very true there are many sidelock rifles that are legal. I would think all of the side locks are legal.

I have seen some truly incredible side lock rifles, and many are accurate out to 100 yards.
Title: Re: LEGAL Muzzle loaders
Post by: bobcat on September 13, 2009, 06:41:19 PM
Yep, it's kinda cool if you're going to hunt what's supposed to be a "traditional" muzzleloader season, to use a gun that fits the traditional definition. Nothing against inlines but I really like my Lyman Deerstalker.
Title: Re: LEGAL Muzzle loaders
Post by: TopOfTheFoodChain on September 13, 2009, 07:10:02 PM

I took a Bear this last Friday with one of my .504 Cal's shooting a 510gr conical over 80gr T7fffg dropped in his tracks at 75 yards.


Let's see those muzzy bear pics!
Title: Re: LEGAL Muzzle loaders
Post by: Whitelightning on September 13, 2009, 09:43:23 PM
Top
 I have posted pics in the Bear huntin section. Dont want to take over someone elses thread :)
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