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Equipment & Gear => Power Equipment & RV => Topic started by: RUGER No.1 on August 11, 2009, 06:56:11 PM
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Can you seperate the fuel can from the stove part before it's empty? If you can then you've got a good one IMO. I have an old MSR Whisperlite and like that the fuel bottles can be refilled with Coleman fuel (white gas) and can be seperated for compactness in my pack.
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I use the same one. IMO the best out there. We have had trouble with a couple jetboils but they are a great unit as well.
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For the money, I think you're really going to be hard pressed to find something better. Sure, there are stoves that are lighter and will burn better at high altitude, but what you're using is pretty darn good. Go into REI, look at what fuel they stock the most of... -Might give you a clue of what many back packers are using.
I use the original blue GAZ stove. My dad had it before me, and I've had it for some 25 or more years. Last year I picked two up on Craigslist for my boys. Very similar as just one burner on a fuel can. The advantage of the newer ones like yours is that you can detach the fuel can, mine pokes a hole in it so I can't take it apart until it's empty. The fuel mix is very similar as a propane/butane mix.
I've used mine up to 8,000 feet to boil water. It's almost always in my hunting day pack and certainly with me on overnight trips. I've used it to heat soup when a hunt partner fell in the Nooksack river in November, and countless times for lunches for both me and other parters over the years. TESTAR77 also carries one.
I really appreciate a warm meal when I'm on a long hike. Cup O' Noodles instead of Ramen or other bagged soups because I don't like to wash dishes. My pot is always clean if all I do is boil water.
-Steve
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Heard lots of good things about MSR....I am partial to SnowPeak. I have the TI, with the striker and it does all I ask it too. Even burns well up high.
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I now have the MSR, good stove, but the SnowPeak Ti with igniter is on my list to buy.
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I also have the Pocket Rocket, great stove but the stability can be a little bit iffy. My next one is going to be the Optimus Crux, little bit more solid cook surface and better heat distribution.
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So many good stoves now, its hard to go wrong. Right now I like the jetboil because it a system, by the time you add a pot and the other goodies, the small stoves weigh about the same.
I still have my whisperlite international I bought when they were the hot shat, things sure have changed :)
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Am I the only guy who uses Esbit fuel tabs? :dunno:
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Am I the only guy who uses Esbit fuel tabs?
Iceman, how do those tabs work at higher elevation?
-Steve
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Define higher elevation....
They burn well, the only issue is in really cold conditions. I have camped with them in the teens and should have brought a more powerfull stove. I have used them only to 5000 feet.
They are not the best for all applications, but for a two nighter or so, they are great.
I researched alot, and here is what I have experienced. The tabs average about fifty cents per burn. Each tab lasts about 12 minutes burn time, and for me, a single tab is good for breakfast, enough hot water for one oatmeal and one coffee in the pot in the photo... I also carry some of those trioxane tablets...little coglan round tabs...and they add six minutes burn time if needed, lets say if your water is really cold, or you let wind get to things... For dinner I use one tab and maybe a single trioxane tab to cook a dinner. So for two days out, four burns, 2 bucks and hardly any weight.
My dorky little homemade stove support in the photo fits inside my kettle, my cup inside the stove support, then my fuel tabs and coffee stuff also fills the voids for a pretty compact unit. I like it.
For more serious weather, I would consider a different type stove, but for quick, light, minimal useage, Esbit do work amazingly well for this application.
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Will any of those tabs start with a flint or do you need a lighter/match?
I'm intrigued by these.
-Steve
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Will any of those tabs start with a flint or do you need a lighter/match?
I'm intrigued by these.
-Steve
Steve the tabs light with a match or lighter... Not sure a flint would get em going....
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Iceman,
I use the esbit also, I have also been playing around with a Swedish alcohol stove. I am trying to get my hands on some of the jelled fuel in little packets like cheaper than dirt was selling for a while. it is sort of like sterno only in single use size and burns hotter, the reports I have read say that it doesn't have the smell or the mess of the esbit fuel. one of the reasons I like the esbit or the jell stuff is NO spills or leaky cans of fuel!!
Carl
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good thread- I have been looking to buy a stove this year. Keep the information coming.
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We use alcohol stoves (trangia) for our snowshoeing overnighters....no moving parts...lights no matter what... The esbit tabs do stink a bit before you light them, but leave little residue. I have not tried the jell...
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give this gut a look,at his prices for an alcohal stove it's not worth making it you'r self.www.end2endtrailsupply.com .Tim
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I agree with Tim. I have one of George's stove from end2endtrailsupply.com. Lights easy, heats well, and weighs less than any other stove on the market at an incredible .59 oz. Esbit weights with a wind screen/holder can't even beat that. I used to use esbit, but won't go back.
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Snow Peak Giga Power.
Best stove is not bringing a stove in the September hunts. Just bring the food. Otherwise coffee is nice in the morning if it's snowing out.
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I picked up a JetBoil backpack stove 2 years ago. Fastest boiling of water of any lil stove I've owned. Just a very large cup designed to fit on the burner with a unique design feature that assists in heating faster.
Purchased another 2nd jetboil system for this fall's pack in hunt. This one for group cooking (my partner and I) with larger qt pot & 10" fry pan.
These units have a design feature on the bottom of the pots that hold heat extremely well, protect the flame from the elements and heats it up fast by not letting a good percentage of the heat move away from the heated pots-pans.
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Yep, those heat exchangers are pretty cool.... I like my kettle cause I can heat it with wood if I like...
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Am I the only guy who uses Esbit fuel tabs?
I use em in my caldera cone
http://www.traildesigns.com/caldera-cone.html
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i use the MSR PR, works awesome. gotta have a top quality water filter too for those long hikes to the backcountry.
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I've only used it on one trip so far but the jetboil heated water to a boil faster then any stove I've ever used. I only used it to boil water for 3 dinners and a breakfast, coffee a few times, I was impressed.
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I have an old MSR Whisperlite and like that the fuel bottles can be refilled with Coleman fuel (white gas) and can be seperated for compactness in my pack.
What I have and yep...great stove.
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I have a Brunton Raptor, It is just like the first pic except it has an electric ignition. I love it.
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Jetboil for me. Mountain houses, ramen, cup of soup. Can't beat the speed. Limited to boiled meals, but I love it.
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http://www.whiteboxstoves.com/
Just to be different, but they work great and the stove fits in a cup.
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Jet boil for me also. besides the speed of boiling they are really good on fuel.
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MSR PR for me as well, most trips. I also have a whisperlite int'l, don't like using it as much, takes longer to cool down to be put back in the pack, and also takes awhile to heat up/prime. But still a good stove. I've been experimenting with all the alchohol stoves on zen stoves website. I've made a nice little pressurized alcohol stove like the whitebox stoves, works surprisingly well. Good for a couple days, then the weight savings works in favor for the Pocket Rocket or Whisperlight. What I do like about the alcohol stoves is that it has no problems working.
Oh, and used the Trioxine and the hexamine tablets for years. Scored a bunch of hexamine tabs in the tubes (old wwII supply) for pennies a piece. Those, 3 rocks, and a canteen cup, works well. Cover the cup with tin or some other top and it'll bring the water to a boil.
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Am I the only guy who uses Esbit fuel tabs?
I use em in my caldera cone
http://www.traildesigns.com/caldera-cone.html
scratch that, I did... but after camping trip #4 with it I've given up on the caldera cone design... finicky and it doesn't really hold up.
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Too flimsy and tippy?
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Too flimsy and tippy?
I should've known something about foil being structure is a bad idea... unless it's cared for better than I do, it's not going to hold a pot of water very well. That and there are much better designed and thought through popcan stoves out there (this morning mine ended up turning into a pot stand surrounded by burning twigs to get coffee going).
it is light, but bulky... however before it started getting bent out of shape it worked decently with the esbit, lots of soot with the alcohol.
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Hmmm, been there on the trial and error. My homeade alcohol stove works fine but I fear it not working some day....a little picky, and I have preheat it a bunch to really torch off. For our serious winter camping, I use trangia. Rugged and will work forever with no moving parts.
My alpine kit is a Brunton Optimus Nova Multifuel. Love it, take it on our snow overnighters two, so I have two stoves to feed everyone off of, and to melt a ton of snow. Gotta keep the kids drinking warm fluids....
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Hmmm, been there on the trial and error. My homeade alcohol stove works fine but I fear it not working some day....a little picky, and I have preheat it a bunch to really torch off.
I was referring to the popcan alcohol stove that came with the caldera cone, don't think i'd try making my own...
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Ok, got ya.
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I just picked up a brunton raptor peizo, hope its worth a darn!
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I just picked up a brunton raptor peizo, hope its worth a darn!
:tup: I love mine :)
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I just picked up a brunton raptor peizo, hope its worth a darn!
:tup: I love mine :)
good I'm glad someone had a good experience with it I'm stoked to get to use it on the high hunt
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Just went with the Jetboil, man is it ever fast! Using FD food, MT. House for dinner and coffee in the morning. Like some of you, I also have a MSR stove which is a great stove that I use for backpacking when the smell of the fuel is not a problem. I don't want the white gas smell on my gear. Anyhow its a good fast stove system if all you want is bioling water... & fast!
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MSR Pocket Rocket with a small titanium pot just big enough to boil water for a Mt. House meal when I'm by myself.
I have the JetBoil Group Cooking System for when I take my wife along for a hike. It's got a pot with the heat exchanger thing on the bottom (quite a bit bigger than the titanium solo pot that I use.) I also bought a frying pan, as well. I got the JetBoil on sale for pretty cheap - REI had it for $80, which is about $40 off of normal price (for the Group system) and that is the main reason that I purchased it.
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I have purchased many stoves: butane, white gas, and alcohol. For longer trips the rocket (butane or propane) stoves are best, even though they are fairly heavy by comparison.
Recently I have been making the so-called, "penny stove." I started out by using coke cans, which are simple, extremely light, and boils 2 cups water in less than 5 min.
More recently I have been purchasing the Bud-light alluminum beer bottles (hard to find). The guage of alluminum is thicker than a coke can. They make a great alcohol pressure stove and are really strong, very light, and don't require any priming.
They work well with a Heineken Pot - it fits directly on top of the stove and is quite stable. The empty Heini pot holds the stove, fuel, and wind-shield. It's the smallest, lightest, cheapest stove system available.
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Update to the backpacking stove thread. I have included pictures of my completed cook stove kit that includes the Heini-pot, no-prime alcohol stove, wind screen, fuel, lighter, and the bag to hold it all in. This is the lightest, most compact, and least expensive backpacking cook kit available for one to 3 day hikes.
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That looks like a portable meth lab. :)
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Jet boil here...you can store the fuel can inside...and last's along time....Mt House, Ramen, Inst Rice, Mac/Cheese etc....Like others have said...fast, easy & no smell...I've had the other styles and always seem to spill fuel etc...
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My son and I made a couple of the little aluminum can alcohol stoves. They work pretty well. It takes about 2 Tablespoons of alcohol and about 3 minutes to boil water. We made several different variations of them from the plans on line, and there are still a few more that we haven't tried. I started at "Zen stove" and went from there. I've started to use Ever-Clear grain alcohol in ours. It doesn't soot up as bad, and in a pinch I suppose a guy could have a snort you really wanted to. They weigh next to nothing, are kind of fun to build, and they are real cheap!
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Over the years I have made several alcohol burners... A bit hazardous for a summer stove, as you do not want to knock them over...
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I have been using a primus with the piezo for at least 10 years now. I can shave 1 oz off by going to the snow peak, but the primus heats so fast its silly and ignites with the push of a button. a small iso can, the stove and a couple oatmeals fit inside my .5 litre stainless pot snugly. I spent 50 bux on a ti pot that is only a couple grams lighter then my 20yo stainless one, but it is not as good a design, it takes longer to boil. my little setup will smoke my pards jet boil by a good bit, and takes up less then half the size.
IMO go piezo what ever you do. if you plan on cooking anything but water, look for the biggest most controlable burner you can get. little burners with big holes make a lot of concentrated heat.
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MSR Whisperlite International. Bullet proof and burns pretty much any form of gas. In use problem free for 15 + yrs.
I hate paying for the pre-canned stuff.
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I use the Primus ETA Express, BTKR and his brother Keith use the Jet Boil. All of us have very good luck with our stoves and get long life from the gas cannisters. I would not change.