Post by: swanny on August 20, 2009, 04:02:08 PM
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Post by: huntnphool on August 20, 2009, 04:55:58 PM
Post by: Rick on August 20, 2009, 05:04:33 PM
How are you going to use them?
They don't come in a lot of sizes,but Toyo M55s are killer tires for guys that aren't into serious off-roading.
They're tough as nails,and have pretty darn good traction in all but deep snow or nasty mud.
For what 95% of us do with our trucks they're a great choice.
Post by: batch on August 20, 2009, 05:09:50 PM
Post by: huntnphool on August 20, 2009, 05:11:52 PM
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Toyo M55s are killer tires for guys that aren't into serious off-roading.
Those are nice too, Rick brings up another good point, how you plan on using them will make a big difference on what you should be looking at. Going into Montana I will never have anything other than a mud terrain, the dirt will likely have you sliding all over the place if it rains, that stuff turns to gumbo.
Post by: swanny on August 20, 2009, 05:32:47 PM
As far as terrain, it's my daily driver truck which gets used mainly on the highway back and forth to work. I head up a forest road a couple times a month to go hiking and to the pass in the winter time for snowboarding. I don't really think I need a MT even though they look better, but it's most likely overkill and not worth the loss in gas mileage for them. An AT tire has worked for me so far. I have checked Les Schwab but they don't really seem to be all that competitive in pricing, they are actually about $30 per tire it seems.
Post by: walt on August 20, 2009, 05:38:27 PM
I went through a few sets before finding the ones I am happy with, the Les Schwab Mud Terrain SXT. I would get a flat almost every time I went off road just on forest service roads with the BFG's, it might be because the truck weighs 8000 lbs. but still. With these SXT's I have not had a an issue. :twocents::yeah:
Les Schwab is a bit more but they earn it in customer service.
Post by: DeerHarvester on August 20, 2009, 05:41:04 PM
Post by: huntnphool on August 20, 2009, 05:41:59 PM
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Les Schwab is a bit more but they earn it in customer service.
X10 :yeah: I will never buy a tire anywhere else again, their service is unparalleled!!!
Post by: kenbell27 on August 20, 2009, 05:45:36 PM
then went to costco the next day found out i could of got the BFG for the same price of the the one i got at Les Schwab. :bash:
Post by: JackOfAllTrades on August 20, 2009, 06:00:46 PM
That said, For an SUV smaller than a Tahoe the BFG AT is an excellent tire. 3 Jeep Cherokees/Grand Cherokees and I've gotten more than 60,000 miles from each set. My son loves them on his BroncoII. I don't recommend them for a full sized 3/4 ton 4x4 if you're going to haul heavy or tow. The sidewall is too weak in my eyes. Great on a Yota or Ranger sized truck. Tire warranty and customer service is a strong factor. Discount tire as a company by comparison with LS isn't an equal. I have run BFG MT's over the years and did like them until I've switched to Toyo MT. Love that tire for my heavy truck. That said, they are not the best in mud as they don't flex as much as other tires. For an SUV on the road, in snow, I am not sure theres a tire that can perform better in that class. Yes, they pick up pebbles. Put on a set of good mud flaps and you're golden. In response to another post.. No they are not a MT and don't perform exceptionally well in the goo, but for what it sounds like you need, the BFG AT would be great.
-Steve
Post by: DeerHarvester on August 20, 2009, 06:03:00 PM
Post by: ThePascoKid on August 20, 2009, 07:49:47 PM
Post by: Rick on August 20, 2009, 07:58:02 PM
Thanks for the input so far. The reviews I have read on Discount Tires site, seem to be pretty positive for the Hankooks.
As far as terrain, it's my daily driver truck which gets used mainly on the highway back and forth to work. I head up a forest road a couple times a month to go hiking and to the pass in the winter time for snowboarding. I don't really think I need a MT even though they look better, but it's most likely overkill and not worth the loss in gas mileage for them. An AT tire has worked for me so far. I have checked Les Schwab but they don't really seem to be all that competitive in pricing, they are actually about $30 per tire it seems.
Sounds like a perfect application for the M55s. They aren't cheap,but they're a commercial LT tire. Made for serious abuse. Probably the best all around tire I've ever ran on my rigs.
Another thing to consider is that Discount tire can order any tire or wheel on the market. They aren't limited to whats in their store. Give them a call and see what they get for the M55s.
Post by: tonymoe on August 20, 2009, 08:00:11 PM
just another option
Post by: batch on August 20, 2009, 08:09:22 PM
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Post by: PacificNWhunter on August 20, 2009, 08:50:48 PM
Post by: magnanimous_j on August 20, 2009, 08:56:20 PM
I am in need of new tires by the time winter hits. Been shopping around and can't decide what to get. BFG AT's are always a great choice, but just found Hankook Dynapro ATm tires, which are about $40 cheaper per tire. Anyone have experience with these tires? Or any other recommendations to look at?
Not a truck, but my Hankook tires that I put on my 06 fusion for 400 bucks are far and away a better tire than the stock Michellin Pilots they replaced.
For my money, korean brands are a great value. Like my TV and computer monitor (samsung). 90% of the performance of a Japanese unit for 60% of the price.
Post by: runniNgunnin on August 20, 2009, 08:59:30 PM
Toyo M/T for me. I have them on my Toyota and they are awesome, I will continue to spend the extra money on them. Great in the snow and mud and are pretty darn quiet on the freeway. I know you don't want M/T's , my buddy loves the Toyo A/T's, gets good milage out of them as long as your good about rotating them.
i would have to disagree with you there.... my best freind has them on his built 85 toyota, and they are crap, all show no go... they did horrible in the snow, bad in the mud, BUT pretty good on the rocks when we were in 4 LOW LOW with his dual transfer cases...
i would go with some iroks, or goodyear MTR's.....
Post by: ICEMAN on August 20, 2009, 09:02:15 PM
Anyway, Les Schwab will get my business, no better company around.
Post by: runniNgunnin on August 20, 2009, 09:04:30 PM
Post by: ICEMAN on August 20, 2009, 09:06:51 PM
Post by: PacificNWhunter on August 20, 2009, 09:08:32 PM
Toyo M/T for me. I have them on my Toyota and they are awesome, I will continue to spend the extra money on them. Great in the snow and mud and are pretty darn quiet on the freeway. I know you don't want M/T's , my buddy loves the Toyo A/T's, gets good milage out of them as long as your good about rotating them.
i would have to disagree with you there.... my best freind has them on his built 85 toyota, and they are crap, all show no go... they did horrible in the snow, bad in the mud, BUT pretty good on the rocks when we were in 4 LOW LOW with his dual transfer cases...
i would go with some iroks, or goodyear MTR's.....
Seem to work fine on my 2001 Tacoma
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Post by: runniNgunnin on August 20, 2009, 09:14:38 PM
Toyo M/T for me. I have them on my Toyota and they are awesome, I will continue to spend the extra money on them. Great in the snow and mud and are pretty darn quiet on the freeway. I know you don't want M/T's , my buddy loves the Toyo A/T's, gets good milage out of them as long as your good about rotating them.
i would have to disagree with you there.... my best freind has them on his built 85 toyota, and they are crap, all show no go... they did horrible in the snow, bad in the mud, BUT pretty good on the rocks when we were in 4 LOW LOW with his dual transfer cases...
i would go with some iroks, or goodyear MTR's.....
Seem to work fine on my 2001 Tacoma
they are awesome for normal offroad/gravel road aplications, but for REAL off road use, i wouldnt use them... i wouldnt take my 2001 tacoma on a jeep trail, lol no offense
Post by: PacificNWhunter on August 20, 2009, 09:17:35 PM
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Post by: jrebel on August 21, 2009, 12:47:28 AM
Post by: swanny on August 21, 2009, 05:25:01 AM
The Mud Terrain SXT's have caught my eye before as they don't seem like the most aggressive tire, but are for sure a little more than an AT. Anyone know what they are running for a 285/75/16? Did your mileage go down when you guys went to the MT's at all or stay close to the same?
No idea what I"m going with yet, there are just to many choices out there!
Edit- just found these Goodyear Wrangler DuraTrac which is looking mighty fine. Tread looks like an AT/MT mix..
http://www.goodyeartires.com/goodyeartireselector/display_tire.jsp?prodline=Wrangler+DuraTrac&mrktarea=Light+Truck&treadwidth=285&aspectratio=75&rimdiameter=16&sidewall=OWL&requestFrom=Search%20By%20Size#features (http://www.goodyeartires.com/goodyeartireselector/display_tire.jsp?prodline=Wrangler+DuraTrac&mrktarea=Light+Truck&treadwidth=285&aspectratio=75&rimdiameter=16&sidewall=OWL&requestFrom=Search%20By%20Size#features)
Post by: Rick on August 21, 2009, 08:02:42 AM
Wow! Thanks for all the responses!
The Mud Terrain SXT's have caught my eye before as they don't seem like the most aggressive tire, but are for sure a little more than an AT. Anyone know what they are running for a 285/75/16? Did your mileage go down when you guys went to the MT's at all or stay close to the same?
No idea what I"m going with yet, there are just to many choices out there!
Edit- just found these Goodyear Wrangler DuraTrac which is looking mighty fine. Tread looks like an AT/MT mix..
http://www.goodyeartires.com/goodyeartireselector/display_tire.jsp?prodline=Wrangler+DuraTrac&mrktarea=Light+Truck&treadwidth=285&aspectratio=75&rimdiameter=16&sidewall=OWL&requestFrom=Search%20By%20Size#features (http://www.goodyeartires.com/goodyeartireselector/display_tire.jsp?prodline=Wrangler+DuraTrac&mrktarea=Light+Truck&treadwidth=285&aspectratio=75&rimdiameter=16&sidewall=OWL&requestFrom=Search%20By%20Size#features)
I'm not a fan of Goodyears. I've had their truck tires and their trailer tires,and they're really soft. I had more flats with Goodyear than any other tire I've owned.
Post by: Rick on August 21, 2009, 08:09:58 AM
Just put the toyo MT's on my dodge diesle and so far love them. Hopefully they do as well in snow and mud as they do on the dry pavement. Really no louder than my Toyo AT that I had previously. Oh yeah, I my mileage did not go down. still average 20 give or take regardless of the type of driving.
Did you stay with the stock size or go taller?
I have 34" Toyo M/Ts on my '07 Cummins and lost 3 mpg over stock. My brother lost 5 putting them on his Chevy.
Post by: jrebel on August 21, 2009, 09:34:06 AM
I moved up to a 295/70 R17 (33" equivalent) and really haven't seen much of a difference at all. I-90 at 70-75 mph I average 16 mpg. 60-65 mph I get darn near 23-24 mpg and city driving I get 19-20 mpg. Overall I have not seen a drop. This is an otherwise stock 2006 dodge 2500 diesle. I fill up my truck at roughly 1/4 tank and have anywhere from 470-520 miles on the tank. It is a 32 gallen tank (I think) and I usually pt 25 gallons or so of diesle in it.
Post by: MagKarl on August 21, 2009, 09:50:04 AM
Post by: huntnphool on August 21, 2009, 10:24:23 AM
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I used to have a truck with the mud terrain SXT's, I liked the tire and the traction, but they seemed to wear a little fast.
Obviously my rig is driven 95% of the time on pavement and I pull a boat a lot but I have been able to get about 40K out of each set, didn't notice the wear difference on any of them. The SXT's do seem to make less noise when running thin though but for me it was the flats. One trip in Montana we actually had two flats at one time and were 30+ miles from the pavement, good thing I carry a full dive tank and tire adaptor when I go hunting or we would have been there for a while. The other reason I went with the SXT over the Toyo was the white letters. On my cars I don't like them but on the trucks I like the way they break up that huge sidewall, some guys don't like them on anything and just mount them the other way around.
Post by: Ghost Hunter on August 21, 2009, 10:39:20 AM
Rick
I moved up to a 295/70 R17 (33" equivalent) and really haven't seen much of a difference at all. I-90 at 70-75 mph I average 16 mpg. 60-65 mph I get darn near 23-24 mpg and city driving I get 19-20 mpg. Overall I have not seen a drop. This is an otherwise stock 2006 dodge 2500 diesle. I fill up my truck at roughly 1/4 tank and have anywhere from 470-520 miles on the tank. It is a 32 gallen tank (I think) and I usually pt 25 gallons or so of diesle in it.
This is the exact combination on my 2005 Dodge 2500 diesel, manual transmission. 29,000 miles on the set. E load rating. One bald, two at the wear marks, one 3/32 tread to the wear marks :dunno: Did more freeway time than I had planned when I bought em. Not sure I'm convinced I want another set.
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Post by: jrebel on August 21, 2009, 11:50:54 AM
Oh yeah, I think the reason that I have not noticed any change is I have the manual transmission. All my friends with the auto tranny say the have a reduction is gas mileage. I was told by a dodge dealer that people with auto tranny's can go in and have the tranny electronically change to occomidate bigger / smaller tires?????
Post by: jeepasaurusrex on August 21, 2009, 03:08:07 PM
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Post by: cohoho on August 25, 2009, 11:28:46 PM
Post by: bearpaw on August 26, 2009, 05:00:58 AM
The old les schwab RVT's were some of the best off-road tires ever made, but they discontinued them and now have the bighorn, which is not as good of tire.
BTW - Good offroad tires simply do not last that well on highways, you will have to make a sacrifice in tire life or in traction. You never get it all in one tire.... :chuckle:
Post by: Intruder on August 27, 2009, 08:36:49 AM
While not a hard core off road tire, I've really had great luck w/ the Yokahoma GeoLander. They make a 10 play that performs really well... only downside is they pick up gravel. Good on weta and dry pavements, snow, mud, etc. Last set on my truck lasted over 56K. Supposedly, they have a new rubber compound that will extend tread wear... we'll see. However, I'm on my 4th set (2 vehicles) and I'll likely buy em again.
Post by: HUNT on August 27, 2009, 08:40:53 AM
I bought Toyo MT (285's) last October and 24,00 later they need replacing before they are one year old.... They suck ass.....
A buddy of mine just went through his first set in a year as well. (Chevy 2500HD)
25,000 miles out of mine as well.... $1400.... Crappy tires (Ford F250 SD)
Post by: Rick on August 27, 2009, 08:51:35 AM
The old les schwab RVT's were some of the best off-road tires ever made, but they discontinued them and now have the bighorn, which is not as good of tire.
The RVTs are still available. They're made by Multi-mile. Ole' uncle Les may not have them in the store,but they'll get them if you want them.
Post by: Armadillo on August 27, 2009, 09:01:09 AM
Post by: LOVHUNTIN on August 27, 2009, 09:38:50 AM
They only lasted between 25000 and 27000 miles per set but I drive on a lot of gravel roads around the farm.
I just got some new bfg at's 10 ply tires and so far are a lot better on and off road.
people with bfg's that were getting flats were these 10 ply tires/load range E? This make a big difference. I know bfg does not make too many sizes in 10 ply...so you need to compare apples to apples especially on 3/4 and 1 ton trucks.
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Post by: Rick on August 27, 2009, 01:13:07 PM
The M/Ts on my 1 ton Dodge have over 20,000 on them and they still have 13/32" of tread on them. They came with 19/32" new.
If they continue to wear like they are,I'll get almost 60,000 out of them.
I'm not easy on tires either. I probably have more miles towing something than I do without.
They're VERY popular on the Cummins forums. Most guys are getting at least 45,000 out of them.
Post by: bearpaw on August 27, 2009, 05:13:04 PM
The old les schwab RVT's were some of the best off-road tires ever made, but they discontinued them and now have the bighorn, which is not as good of tire.
The RVTs are still available. They're made by Multi-mile. Ole' uncle Les may not have them in the store,but they'll get them if you want them.
Thanks for the info....
Some one asked about the Hankooks...I had a set of their mud tires, they went fairly well offroad, lasted fairly well, but I liked the Cooper STT's better.
The Intercos we have been buying we have been getting for about $600 per set of 4 delivered to the door out of a 4x4 magazine, then about 70-100 to mount and balance. But as I said, super traction, but shorter life.
Post by: whacker1 on August 27, 2009, 07:10:57 PM
Here is what I found.
BFG mud terrain's last longer and perform better than most if bought in the right number of plys. Many people under ply the tire, go with an 8 instead of 10. Plus they look nice. However, they charge enough for them along with the Goodyear Wrangler MT that I could buy an extra set of tires on every third or 4th purchase of alternative tires. That will never make up the mileage difference. I got 35,000 miles out of the last set of Dunlop's MT, but changed them out 5000 - 7500 miles early based on loosing a sidewall on a tire. Dunlops claim to fame is that they are a very quiet Mud Tire. Not the best performance off road, but better than many of the alternatives.
I replaced the Dunlops with a Pro-Comp - MT, Their claim to fame at the time was a 3 ply sidewall instead of 2. and at the time they were doing a buy 3 get 1 free sale, and it worked out to costing about $75 less for the set than my other choices. Dunlops, Coopers, etc. They are wearing very good. 22,000 miles and lots of gravel, and snow use. tread depth is still around 13/32 vs. 19/32 they came with. Pro-comp's performed pretty well, and I was fairly impressed. I would sipe them more if I bought another pair, the factory siping isn't enough on a little harder tire for winter use. The biggest downside, they throw rocks, but I have a 97 F150, so I don't care.
94 Ranger,
3 sets of Dunlop MT - 45,000 miles per set. Usually traded out with 5/32 left on them, based on hunting season approaching. Ranger front ends aren't known for great where in these years. Again, main advantage for a smaller truck is that they are quiet and perform pretty well.
83 Ranger
My favorite tire - hard to find if available at all. Was the mid-90's Wild Country MT. Cross bar z-pattern. Back in the day Les Scwab sold hundreds. They were known to throw rocks, to be loud, but they performed well, and I ddin't have any problem getting 50,000 miles out of them. And when I had the horsepower, they were turning, because I was young, and that is what I did. I have seen them come out new in the last year on smaller vehicles, but haven't seen any of the bigger sizes.
I am not a fan of the newest style of the Toyo Open Country M/T - They do not clean well in the mud, unless they are spun fast enough to spin out, then they start to clean. Two of my hunting partners unloaded them on their 3/4 tons pickups, because they didn't where very well and didn't perform very well either.
I usually weigh cost vs. how many more miles I will get out of a BFG vs. any other brand. I probably won't be using the pro-comps again, unless I hold on to this truck longer than expected. I don't want a newer paint job getting tore up by rocks.
I have been looking at the Cooper STT's to see how they perform. They look very similar to the Pro-comp, so I can only assume they would be loud. But tread design is only one of a few components that make them loud. My other choice for a nicer truck will probably be the BFG. But time will tell. Still a year or two out before I change rigs.
For those that have mid-size and smaller SUV's where tire sizes are a problem. Our Explorer with the big rims, wouldn't take any of the light pickup tires, because the sizes were wrong. We put a Nokian Vativa A/T on the Explorer and I was extremely impressed on the winter performance last year in feet of snow. In fact they probably performed as well or better than the pro-comps on the pickup. probably because they are siped like crazy.
sorry for the long post, but I am a little passionate about Tires.
Post by: swanny on August 27, 2009, 09:28:55 PM
BTW...they look pretty good too ;)
Post by: zhunter on August 27, 2009, 10:02:31 PM
some of you emailed me on prices for tires hope you received them if not let me know.
Post by: cohoho on August 28, 2009, 09:05:27 PM
You guys getting less than 30,000 out of the Toyo M/Ts either have a heavy right foot or never rotate them.
The M/Ts on my 1 ton Dodge have over 20,000 on them and they still have 13/32" of tread on them. They came with 19/32" new.
If they continue to wear like they are,I'll get almost 60,000 out of them.
I'm not easy on tires either. I probably have more miles towing something than I do without.
They're VERY popular on the Cummins forums. Most guys are getting at least 45,000 out of them.
Rotate them every 3,000 when I change my oil... I drive my truck like it should be driven...... STOLEN....... :chuckle: Those tires still completely suck ass compared to good old Coopers for snow and ice and general crappy conditions.... Toyos are probably better for sloppy mud, but how often am I driving through that... It is funny to hear a bunch of highway gods (on another forum) state how great these tires are... and of course the snot nosed kid at Les Swab, whose snow and ice experience is his annual trip across the pass to the East...
Post by: DeKuma on August 28, 2009, 09:14:30 PM
Post by: Todd_ID on August 28, 2009, 10:46:44 PM
I have the Toyo Open Country M/T 35x12x17 on my 04 Dodge 3500 now. I've never been stuck with them, and that's been put to the test in some pretty tough places. However, I only have 22,000 miles on them with about 2.5-3/32 tread left. They've been rotated 6 times by Les Schwaab. $1300 for 22,000 miles is just too rich for my blood!
I had a set of the Cooper SST's that had great tread left, but I had 5 flats in 2 months and said "that's enough". At least the Open Country's have never had a flat.
Now it's time for new tires again, and I'm at a loss....again! I'm thinking about the Open Country A/T's for tread life, but the price way the heck up there on those, also.
Post by: bearpaw on August 29, 2009, 12:08:55 AM
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Man, I just read through all 5 pages of tire talk, and I'm more confused than if you'd been talking about the best caliber rifle for a deer hunt.
Lots of reasons to buy tires and each kind of tire has it's pro's and cons. You must first determine exactly what you want to do with your vehicle. Then buy the best tire for your criteria.
It's exactly like picking a hunting rifle..... :chuckle:
Post by: MADMAX on August 29, 2009, 05:59:30 AM
Post by: ICEMAN on August 29, 2009, 06:30:34 AM
Traction never a problem with my expedition, weight is balanced well on the vehicle, I keep lots of tools and survival crap in the trunk so the rears have plenty of weight unlike an empty pickup. Mileage....I could care less since this is not my daily driver and I have a short commute. Nothing worse than leaving camp at 4am in your clean hunting clothes and having to stop to put a fresh tire on...
So, since putting these Toyo's on, no punctures, no sidewall tears. It was getting so bad up in the manastash that my wife named our campsite there; "Camp Lotsoflats ". >:(
Guys are right, there is not going to be a "best for all" conditions type tire. Just pic one that solves your particular biggest gripe... Mine was flat tire avoidance.
Post by: MADMAX on August 29, 2009, 06:58:04 AM
A tire guy told me he loves guys who don't get to the backroads and drop by 15 pounds
FYI
Post by: rasbo on August 29, 2009, 07:14:39 AM
Post by: royalbull on August 29, 2009, 08:20:44 AM
Post by: chukarchaser on August 29, 2009, 09:04:22 AM
Pro hunting companes get my $$ every time.
On the F350 I run M55's.
Post by: Todd_ID on August 29, 2009, 09:52:26 AM
I agree that Les Schwab is more expensive than other companies and sometimes I think that the customer service has gone down hill since the old man passed away. That said They still get my money everytime, from my F350 down to the commuter rig. Schwab is a fantastic supporter of the hunting, rural communites and youth. Go to any fair and see the Schwab guy buying 4H animals from kids. RMEF, MDF, DU and Schwab is there. Highschool or junior rode, Schwab is there.
Pro hunting companes get my $$ every time.
On the F350 I run M55's.
Good post! I see your point on the good they do for all of our communities, and for that I will pay the extra.
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For my next set of tires I am thinking of the Mickey Thompson ATZ Plus. These are a varaiant of the ATZ, but slightly more highway orientated. Another tire that I am interested in that nobody has mentioned here is the Nitto Terra Grapplers. I have only heard good things about these tires. The Coopers are a third option as I have never heard anything bad about them.
Post by: Bean Counter on August 29, 2009, 01:16:07 PM
I'm a Costco member all the way but it seems to me that I really save money there buying the cheaper things (groceries, toiletries, paper towels, etc). Bigger ticket items seem cheaper elsewhere (like tires, televisions, furniture, etc). :twocents:
I have had Yokohama Geolander A/T-S on my Tundra for about 5,000 miles. Haven't used 'em off road or in the snow yet :'( They were $700, out the door, at Discount after I haggled them for a bit. I considered the BF Goodrich T/As--a very popular choice--but they would have been just over $1,000. I do hit the USFS roads and they some times do get snow, but I don't offroad much. I figure that there's few instances where I'll 1. Be on a USFS road 2. its snowing like hell and 3. the Goodriches would outperform the Yokohama. With the $300 I save in one tire life, I can buy a set of snow chains to dig myself out.
Post by: ICEMAN on August 29, 2009, 04:08:30 PM
Flat tire avoidance equalls drop your air pressure down
A tire guy told me he loves guys who don't get to the backroads and drop by 15 pounds
FYI
I hear ya, but some of the tires I have run over the years were a softer rubber to get the traction..., problem was they picked up sharp rocks and you would drive them straight thru the plies and let the air out... So far, the harder rubber and increased plies has been working good. No flats in the hills where we used to get flats.... :dunno:
Post by: ThePascoKid on August 29, 2009, 08:03:52 PM
Post by: Rick on August 30, 2009, 01:29:12 PM
toyo tires and cooper tires are made by the same company dean tire company
No they're not.
Toyo makes Toyo.
Cooper makes Cooper,Avon,Mastercraft,Dean,and Mickey Thompson.
Post by: jrebel on August 30, 2009, 01:49:23 PM
OMG!!!!!!! This post is going to last forever. Reality is there is no perfect tire for all conditions. You have to prioritize your needs and pick a tire. If cost is an issue buy cheap tires. If you put lots of highway mile on your rig buy street tires. If you only drive in mud, snow, dirt, etc get knobbies...... If you do what most of us do by AT tires.... ;)
Post by: ICEMAN on August 30, 2009, 05:59:16 PM
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OMG!!!!!!! This post is going to last forever. Reality is there is no perfect tire for all conditions. You have to prioritize your needs and pick a tire. If cost is an issue buy cheap tires. If you put lots of highway mile on your rig buy street tires. If you only drive in mud, snow, dirt, etc get knobbies...... If you do what most of us do by AT tires.... ;)
But what if I want tires that do everything well?
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Post by: jeepasaurusrex on August 31, 2009, 06:56:30 AM
Flat tire avoidance equalls drop your air pressure down
A tire guy told me he loves guys who don't get to the backroads and drop by 15 pounds
FYI
I hear ya, but some of the tires I have run over the years were a softer rubber to get the traction..., problem was they picked up sharp rocks and you would drive them straight thru the plies and let the air out... So far, the harder rubber and increased plies has been working good. No flats in the hills where we used to get flats.... :dunno:
I run 4psi in the Jeep when wheeling. :chuckle:
Post by: littlebuf on September 03, 2009, 10:19:32 PM
Post by: royalbull on September 03, 2009, 11:01:59 PM
Not according to Greg Foyler owner of Enumclaw Tiretoyo tires and cooper tires are made by the same company dean tire company
No they're not.
Toyo makes Toyo.
Cooper makes Cooper,Avon,Mastercraft,Dean,and Mickey Thompson.
Post by: jeepasaurusrex on September 04, 2009, 12:17:11 PM
Post by: swanny on September 05, 2009, 07:52:10 AM
i just picked up the new (and i mean just came out) wrangler duratrac from goodyear, had um put on earlier tonight and i already love um. super aggressive mud terrain and unbelievable quite on the road. i'll get um up in the hills and let you guys know. supposed to be great in the snow. all i need is to order my new pack next week and im all set for hunting season this winter :IBCOOL:
Just got those put on my truck 2 weeks ago! I am amazed at how quiet they are for how much tread is on them! The perfect mix of AT/MT. Can't wait to get in the hills, new shocks should be on next weekend and I'm set to go.
Post by: bow4elk on September 05, 2009, 07:56:19 AM
i just picked up the new (and i mean just came out) wrangler duratrac from goodyear, had um put on earlier tonight and i already love um. super aggressive mud terrain and unbelievable quite on the road. i'll get um up in the hills and let you guys know. supposed to be great in the snow. all i need is to order my new pack next week and im all set for hunting season this winter :IBCOOL:
Just got those put on my truck 2 weeks ago! I am amazed at how quiet they are for how much tread is on them! The perfect mix of AT/MT. Can't wait to get in the hills, new shocks should be on next weekend and I'm set to go.
Funny, I've been researching new tires for a few months, and these are the ones I decided on. Glad to see some positive feedback on them, because I'm planning on buying in the next month or so. What'd you guys pay? The local Goodyear shop told me they usually have a good sale in late fall (which is what I'm waiting for).
Post by: CoryTDF on September 05, 2009, 08:10:32 AM
Post by: VANANATOR on September 05, 2009, 08:27:53 AM
Post by: boneaddict on September 05, 2009, 08:29:48 AM
Post by: huntnphool on September 05, 2009, 09:42:03 AM
I agree that Les Schwab is more expensive than other companies and sometimes I think that the customer service has gone down hill since the old man passed away. That said They still get my money everytime, from my F350 down to the commuter rig. Schwab is a fantastic supporter of the hunting, rural communites and youth. Go to any fair and see the Schwab guy buying 4H animals from kids. RMEF, MDF, DU and Schwab is there. Highschool or junior rode, Schwab is there.
Pro hunting companes get my $$ every time.
Very good point, another reason why I will not go anywhere else.
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I had a set of the Cooper SST's that had great tread left, but I had 5 flats in 2 months and said "that's enough".
Same with me, and had the same issue with the BFG's. The Mud Terrain SXT's have been the answer I was looking for.
Post by: swanny on September 05, 2009, 09:44:56 AM
another bump for the gy dura tracks! what did you all pay?VAN
I got mine at Discount for $189 in a 285/75/16
Post by: boneaddict on September 05, 2009, 09:50:35 AM
I also like them as they back their product.
Post by: jdb on September 05, 2009, 01:20:28 PM
That was a good point about Schwab. I hadn't really thought about it but you are right, I do see them doing a lot for the community. They also support hunting as many of them have "contests" or photo walls during hunting season.pretty nice to have one in selah now too !
I also like them as they back their product.
Post by: boneaddict on September 05, 2009, 01:41:54 PM
Post by: littlebuf on September 05, 2009, 06:21:59 PM
another bump for the gy dura tracks! what did you all pay?VAN
I got mine at Discount for $189 in a 285/75/16
got mine 33-12.50-r15 at big O for 176 a tire, right around 860 out the door with taxes and all. im pretty happy with the price and big O, those guys will meet and beat any other shops price
Post by: littlebuf on September 06, 2009, 07:35:29 PM
Post by: blackhorn on September 07, 2009, 03:43:00 PM
Post by: Sportfury on September 25, 2009, 06:57:57 AM
Post by: backwoods_boy on September 25, 2009, 07:54:20 AM
Schwab is way over priced.
Wondering what would be the best tires to put on the new yota?
any suggestions?
Post by: h2ofowlr on September 27, 2009, 09:09:57 PM
Post by: wastickslinger on September 27, 2009, 09:21:29 PM
Stay away from the Toyo Off road ones. I placed them on my truck and they are heavy SOB's. Made the gas milage go down, loud and are wearing out quickly. They were also expensive. Dropped $1400 on them.
Toyo M/T ??? Wow, I have them on my dodge, 20K and they look like new still. I rotate the, very often. Theyt are the best riding and quitest all terrains I have ever owned. :dunno:
I have a buddy here in Moses that put 55K on a set and that was on a 1 ton Deisel. I was very impressd.
Post by: spin05 on September 29, 2009, 12:56:02 AM