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Title: broadhead accuracy question
Post by: TheKid#10 on August 23, 2009, 06:57:06 PM: Shooting a real nice tight group with my field points but my broadhead shots are low and to the right a bit. Shooting montec 125gr. I have shot them with the blades matching the vanes and the opposite of the vanes. Matching is better but still not close enough to my feild points for me. How do I fix this?

KID
Title: Re: broadhead accuracy question
Post by: tmike on August 23, 2009, 07:07:34 PM: Have you paper tuned your bow?
Title: Re: broadhead accuracy question
Post by: EastWaViking on August 23, 2009, 07:08:02 PM: make sure your bow is paper tuned perfectly and they should be right in there with the field points, unless the broadheads are not balanced. Have you spun them to check?
Title: Re: broadhead accuracy question
Post by: Crunchy on August 23, 2009, 07:11:18 PM: Well if your bow is in speck and tuned correct ie paper tuned and walk back tuned you want to chase your field tips with broadheads. This is done by moving nocking point down a pinch and rest away from the riser if ur right handed. There are a lot more possible issues but I would start there and see if you will be able to tune ur broadheads to impact same point as field tips. Otherwise get as close as you can and make adjustments to your sight.. Good luck
Title: Re: broadhead accuracy question
Post by: TheKid#10 on August 23, 2009, 07:56:07 PM: Thanks for the tips, I will get to work on it. Crunchy, where should I go to get paper tuned?
Title: Re: broadhead accuracy question
Post by: Lowedog on August 23, 2009, 08:01:04 PM: Quote from: TheKid#10 on August 23, 2009, 07:56:07 PM
Thanks for the tips, I will get to work on it. Crunchy, where should I go to get paper tuned?

In your back yard! Make yourself a frame to set in front of your target that you can stretch some paper on and stand about 6 feet in front of the paper and shoot through it. Do some searching around on the net and you will find lots of info.

-Lowedog
Title: Re: broadhead accuracy question
Post by: EastWaViking on August 23, 2009, 08:15:51 PM: If you've never paper tuned a bow, you can go to any bow shop and they'll help you.
Title: Re: broadhead accuracy question
Post by: Crunchy on August 23, 2009, 08:30:16 PM: You can google home made paper tuner and Im sure you will find some rather inexpensive directions. Just make sure you have something to shoot through.
Title: Re: broadhead accuracy question
Post by: norsepeak on August 23, 2009, 09:26:36 PM: If you are coming over this way anytime soon, let me know, and I'll help ya. It's really easy. Or if you are around Yakivegas, stop in at AS&J Archery, Brandon will hook you up.
Title: Re: broadhead accuracy question
Post by: Matt on August 24, 2009, 07:52:45 AM: Quote from: TheKid#10 on August 23, 2009, 06:57:06 PM
Shooting a real nice tight group with my field points but my broadhead shots are low and to the right a bit. Shooting montec 125gr. I have shot them with the blades matching the vanes and the opposite of the vanes. Matching is better but still not close enough to my feild points for me. How do I fix this?

KID

Put some specs down here and it will be easier to help. You say that you have tight groups, at what distances are they tight. Is it 4" at 60yds or 4" at 20yds?

Bow
Draw Length
Poundage
Rest
Arrows-include vanes and length
Title: Re: broadhead accuracy question
Post by: Big10gauge on August 24, 2009, 08:20:00 AM: Crunchy has the right idea if your arrow is spined heavy enough for broadheads, if spined weak your field points will usually shoot to the right. If spined too stiff usually just the opposite, moving your center rest usually will let you know. Just make sure you adjust your nocking point if needed and test BEFORE changing your center rest
Title: Re: broadhead accuracy question
Post by: MIKEXRAY on August 24, 2009, 10:59:28 AM: May not be your problem but I have been having problems with erratic broadhead flight. Mine were hitting left 5 " @ 30 yards. I messed with form, rest etc for 2 weeks and found out the one broadhead I was practicing with was my whole problem. Put it on another arrow and was 5" low each shot. Got out another arrow / broadhead and punching the center out @ 50 yards. I also shoot Montec 100 gr with replaceable blades, I placed the practice blades in each broad head / arrow combination and tested. All seven remaining arrows punch the center out @ 50 yards. I just happened to pick the messed up one to shoot & practice. My bow was paper tuned, all arrows spun test etc, just a funky flying broadhead that won't fly true on any arrow. So check all broadheads. Mike
Title: Re: broadhead accuracy question
Post by: EastWaViking on August 24, 2009, 12:21:13 PM: Quote from: MIKEXRAY on August 24, 2009, 10:59:28 AM
May not be your problem but I have been having problems with erratic broadhead flight. Mine were hitting left 5 " @ 30 yards. I messed with form, rest etc for 2 weeks and found out the one broadhead I was practicing with was my whole problem. Put it on another arrow and was 5" low each shot. Got out another arrow / broadhead and punching the center out @ 50 yards. I also shoot Montec 100 gr with replaceable blades, I placed the practice blades in each broad head / arrow combination and tested. All seven remaining arrows punch the center out @ 50 yards. I just happened to pick the messed up one to shoot & practice. My bow was paper tuned, all arrows spun test etc, just a funky flying broadhead that won't fly true on any arrow. So check all broadheads. Mike

That's why a person should always spin your arrow and check to make sure the broadhead tip doesn't wobble at all. It it does, don't use it!
Title: Re: broadhead accuracy question
Post by: SpokaneSlayer on August 24, 2009, 12:25:06 PM: Quote from: EastWaViking on August 24, 2009, 12:21:13 PM
Quote from: MIKEXRAY on August 24, 2009, 10:59:28 AM
May not be your problem but I have been having problems with erratic broadhead flight. Mine were hitting left 5 " @ 30 yards. I messed with form, rest etc for 2 weeks and found out the one broadhead I was practicing with was my whole problem. Put it on another arrow and was 5" low each shot. Got out another arrow / broadhead and punching the center out @ 50 yards. I also shoot Montec 100 gr with replaceable blades, I placed the practice blades in each broad head / arrow combination and tested. All seven remaining arrows punch the center out @ 50 yards. I just happened to pick the messed up one to shoot & practice. My bow was paper tuned, all arrows spun test etc, just a funky flying broadhead that won't fly true on any arrow. So check all broadheads. Mike

That's why a person should always spin your arrow and check to make sure the broadhead tip doesn't wobble at all. It it does, don't use it!

I don't think you should just toss a broadhead that wobbles. It may not be the head that is causing the wobble. It could be that the arrow wasn't cut quite square. That was my case.
Title: Re: broadhead accuracy question
Post by: MIKEXRAY on August 24, 2009, 01:22:19 PM: I had spun tested and adjusted all of my arrows and had them perfect. This one broadhead flies bad, I think it is spiraling my arrow. My other seven fly sweet. I was just recommending to shoot all & confirm good flight from each not just shoot one. Just think if I had chosen another and hunted with the bad one because it spun fine. Mike
Title: Re: broadhead accuracy question
Post by: bullcanyon on August 25, 2009, 06:22:35 AM: Don't waste your time paper tuning. That just gets you started. Broadhead tuning is more of a "finisher". Look up the easton tuning guide and follow the steps for broadhead tuning and you will be money. Minor adjustments at a time. Don't worry about your sight until you get the fieldtips and broadheads to hit as close as possible.
Title: Re: broadhead accuracy question
Post by: MagKarl on August 25, 2009, 08:36:34 AM: It sounds like your tuning is close and you're shooting good groups with field points. You often need to tune a little bit more for broadheads. As suggested before, chase the field points with the broadheads. Move your rest up and left a bit and see if the gap closes.

Keep chasing it till you group together and then dial in your sight to move the group to center.
Title: Re: broadhead accuracy question
Post by: Kain on August 25, 2009, 02:46:38 PM: Eastons tuning guide link.

http://www.oregonsportsmans.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=133
Title: Re: broadhead accuracy question
Post by: Tom Tamer on August 29, 2009, 06:05:13 PM: Quote from: Lowedog on August 23, 2009, 08:01:04 PM
Quote from: TheKid#10 on August 23, 2009, 07:56:07 PM
Thanks for the tips, I will get to work on it. Crunchy, where should I go to get paper tuned?

In your back yard! Make yourself a frame to set in front of your target that you can stretch some paper on and stand about 6 feet in front of the paper and shoot through it. Do some searching around on the net and you will find lots of info.

-Lowedog

I use a ladder and small bungy cords to hold the paper tight.....I figure at 6 feet if i hit the ladder it's my own damn fault....works great.

If it tunes fine and you have the same problem my Pro told me......move the pins to match the broads.....field points ain't what we're using this time of year
Title: Re: broadhead accuracy question
Post by: TheKid#10 on August 30, 2009, 05:21:44 PM: [[/quote]
If it tunes fine and you have the same problem my Pro told me......move the pins to match the broads.....field points ain't what we're using this time of year
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That's what I was told by a local pro shop, so that's what I did.

Thanks for all the tips and help folks.

Good luck and shoot straight.

KID
Title: Re: broadhead accuracy question
Post by: bullcanyon on August 30, 2009, 08:39:59 PM: That's too bad. Only takes a tiny bit of effort to get your broadheads to fly better. One question. Are you getting all your arrow/broadheads to hit the same spot? Or do you have some flyers?
Title: Re: broadhead accuracy question
Post by: Bowcop on August 30, 2009, 11:42:18 PM: More people have quit archery over papertuning than any other reason...........it plain sucks! If you don't like the tear move back or forward 3 more feet and you will have a different tear! I use the walkback method with my broadheads. I start with field tips at 20 yards and move my sight to where I am hitting a 2 inch bullseye with every arrow (if you have 1 or 2 arrows that are out of the group rotate the nock 120 degrees until it hits with the rest of them. Once you have done that....sometime this takes hours to get 6 arrows to hit the same spot. Once that is done shoot a broadhead @ 20 yards and see where it hits (I only shoot 1 BH at a time and then pull...I get SICK of refletching arrows!

Now the BH will most likely hit a wee bit off from the field tips...it is a RARE bow that will put field tips and BH in the same hole at 20 yards. Now...if for example the BH is 3 inches low and right of the FT, every so slightly move your arrow rest to the left and move your sight down just a hair until you hit center with the BH....

Once you have that done do NOT adjust your sight housing anymore...Now make sure that all your BH's hit the center @ 20 yards...you will have to do alot of nock rotating to get say 4-5 that will be darts for you. (out of a dozen arrows I usually only get 4-6 that are up to my accuracy standards for BH..but I am VERy picky when it comes to this.

Now move to 30 yards and use your 20 yard pin...your arrows will obviously hit low, but that is OK. Most likely your arrows are going to be left or right of the center....now it is just a matter of very small adjustments R or L to your arrow rest. Move the rest in the opposite direction...IE, arrows are hitting right of center, move the rest left..very small adjustments are key here....

Then do the same @ 40 yards again using your 20 yard pin...once you have all your BH's hitting center your centershot is now set...crank your rest down so it will not move...now go back and sight in your pins for those distances......works like a champ and has never failed me....I can put all of my BH in a two inch bullseye at 50 yards...if you need anything else....just ask! Like some of the others mentioned, make sure your grip is loose and consistant...very critical for BH flight...and make sure your anchor point is not floating around...I have 3 references for my anchor point, my peep, my kisser button and my nose on the string, if you don't have 3 points to keep you consistant...your gonna have issues.....Take it from an archery coach!

Tim