Hunting Washington Forum
Big Game Hunting => Elk Hunting => Topic started by: littlebuf on August 23, 2009, 08:50:25 PM
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im elk hunting solo this year and my question is in what order to pack out? trophy first then come back for meat or other way around? may seem kinda silly but i keep having these visions of killing a big ole bull and coming back to the kill to see the head missing either by animal or human. what do you guys think
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For me it would depend on where i am hunting.
Ideally i would pack the animal to with in distance of my rig with out having anything at my rig that could cause unwanted visitors.
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thats my other concern is after my first trip to the truck. ive heard to many stories about game stolen from rigs >:(
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First take pictures of your trophy, then pack it back to your truck, when you get back to your rig chain that sucker right to it, and use a big lock! that should keep the theives away. works for me :party1:
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I believe you are required to pack the meat out first and the antlers second. Ethically, that is what I would do. They also hide better in the woods than they do at your rig.
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On the first trip, carry the backstraps, one hind quarter and strap the head to the outside of your pack. Then, hide it all near your rig while getting the rest. :twocents:
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I think it would depend on where the best place is to keep the meat cool. My main priority would be the meat. Leave the meat where you killed it and take the head out first if it's cooler there. Or if you've got an ice chest with lots of ice in your truck, then take the meat out first to get it cooled down ASAP. I guess I'm not sure what season you're hunting. If it's November then it probably won't matter. I'd bring the meat out first if at all possible.
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actualy you have to have proof of the sex of your animal at all times until you take it to get processed.
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Yeah but it's kind of hard to pack the head and the meat all at the same time. :yike:
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As long as you cape and debone the elk, which i always do it should be good till over night hung in game bags. do it almost every year during sept. archery never had problems.
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I agree, but what are you saying... take the head out first or the meat out first, or does it matter?
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I always pack out the meat first, to me that is the most important thing.
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i'll be hunting November so im not worried about losing the meat to weather, really what it comes down to is i don't trust people. the hiding spot near the truck is a good idea if theirs a good one of those i'll pack the meat first and stash the head where i killed it
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Head out first, so when your back at camp chuggin beers you have something to look at. :whoo:
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I always pack out the meat first, to me that is the most important thing.
i agree and im not saying the meat is secondary but the trophy is part of the hunt also
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i agree with that!~
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it also depends on if you are going to get the elk head mounted, hair can start slipping within a couple of hours after kill in warm wheather.
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and the meat can spoil in that time also. You shot the animal to feed your family, (hopefully), not just to hang something on the wall. That is why I loved Alaska you had to take out all edible portions of meat before teh cape or the antlers came out. It put everything into perspective in my opinion.
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I've always heard in Washington State you take the head out with the tag first. This shows it's your animal. The law says possession of the head equals possession of the animal. In certain warm situations, of course it goes against logic (we are there for the meat), however, I want to make sure I have legal possession of that animal. Hide that head in, or around your truck!
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Dont forget the thread was started with visions of shooting a big bull and packing out the trophy, not im going to get meat for the family!
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im elk hunting solo this year and my question is in what order to pack out? trophy first then come back for meat or other way around? may seem kinda silly but i keep having these visions of killing a big ole bull and coming back to the kill to see the head missing either by animal or human. what do you guys think
Dont forget the thread was started asking what order to pack out!!!! In my opinion once again MEAT first always
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then he should just shoot a cow.
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The big trophy rack aint worth a damn, if you left the meat behind. You got your priorities messed up.....unless you can claim Indian >:(
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if that is what he chooses to do, then I wish him the best of luck in being able to remove all the meat before it goes bad on him
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He wasnt worried about the meat he was worried about his head getting stolen :beatdeadhorse:
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And im not indian, and have never lost any meat!! just got to know how to take care of your game! >:(
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Since our meat packing gear is usually in the rig, we usually pack out the head on the first trip to get the game bags/boards.
Hide the head well near the rig.
If I was doing an elk solo, I would gut/skin and get the meat cooling, then pack the head out, ditch it, then grab the packboard and start transferring meat to the road.....
Warm weather is an issue with one guy. If it is really hot, and you are hunting way back in, I would consider getting with other guys who can help you save everything.
There are certain situations where solo hunting is innappropriate considering the risk of wasting your meat and/or your trophy.
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I definately bone out the carcass and cool it down first, there is no good reason to pack out the weight of the bones when you are limited to what you can carry. Then srap the head onto the outside of your pack
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If I was by myself and I shot a trophy bull, I would depending on the situation either quarter or boned out and organized into pack loads. I also hoist the meat bags up into trees if available. This will minimize meat loss from scavengers between trips. I would take as much of the tenderloin as possible and strap the head to the outside of the pack in the first load.
I use green para cord and hoist the head up into a tree near the truck but out of site from the road. Then packout what is left.
Learned this the hard way by loosing the head and front shoulder to a bear between trips. There are tons of variables that would decide the order for me though. How far each trip would be, weather.
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your big bad trophy bull will make you tingle inside whether his head or meat arrive at the truck 1st. Look at the whether and situation at the time and then decide. Your first thought should be the meat :twocents:
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Get some phone numbers just in case. Send me a PM or email and I'll give you mine. If I'm available and you're not hunting too far away I'll be on my way with boots and pack.
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that's a real nice offer Mag, thanks. as for the other post's i never once said i intend on wasting meat, quite the contrary im worried about losing ANY part of the animal. i was just looking for your guy's past experience's and Ive got some good tips, thanks all. keep um coming
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The only way to be sure that you don’t lose anything is to keep it all in sight. Move a load a ways toward your rig, then a back for another until you’ve moved the whole pile, and then do it again, and again, and so on.
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The only way to be sure that you don’t lose anything is to keep it all in sight. Move a load a ways toward your rig, then a back for another until you’ve moved the whole pile, and then do it again, and again, and so on.
this sounds like a solid plan.
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Totally agree with the moving of the "entire animal" in parts/piles and never letting any part of it get very far out of sight let alone ear shot so that you could be listening for scavengers, whether they be 2 or 4 legged. ;)
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Done that and it works. The only problem is that you constantly have to unload and reload your pack. That part kind of sucks and it takes a lot longer than just going back to the truck with it and unloading it once.
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The only way to be sure that you don’t lose anything is to keep it all in sight. Move a load a ways toward your rig, then a back for another until you’ve moved the whole pile, and then do it again, and again, and so on.
Been there done that, it is a good way only problems I had with it if you are two miles in, you never really catch a break. Meaning if you carry it 500 yards then go back and forth you never really get a break in between. If you carry one load out the two miles and stash it, then go back in that is when you get a break.
Littlebuff, and just so you understand I never said that I thought you were going to waste any meat, you asked a question and I told you what I do. To me the meat is the most important part. I always make sure it is taken care of first. If you are way out there and it gets hot things can go downhill quickly. I have never lost any meat, but I am sorry to inform you I have lost a couple of capes. But I have the racks off of them and if I ever really want a moose on the wall I will buy a cape for one of them and mount it.
I wish you the best of luck this year in taking your trophy bull and being able to get everything out. I would give you my number in case you needed help, but I will be out there in the woods trying my luck so it would do no good. I know I have no reception where I go...
Joe
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Theres alot of different scenarios, but I have my game bags and pack on me at all time while elk hunting. I usually cover alot of ground. Now when I do get a animal down I take care of the meat, bone it, get it in game bags and hanging if it is warm out, if its cool I usually dont hang. Then I will stash the head so no one can find it and start packing meat towards the truck and stah it in the bushes so no one finds it. Usually within 100 yards. The head and cape are last to come out. Once it is all back to the stash point then I will lug the meat to the truck and the head last. Too many horror stories of heads getting stollen out of trucks or camp. Dumb assed people do dumb assed things like steal your trophys.
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its all good BLKBEAR i wasn't offended i was just clarifying. i like the leap frog idea, if I'm close enough ill do that other wise ill stash it
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The big trophy rack aint worth a damn, if you left the meat behind. You got your priorities messed up.....unless you can claim Indian >:(
What the hell is your problem I am Indian and have never left or lost any meat because of hot weather. Lets all take cheap shots at the poor stupid Indian with to much fire water, I hope that when you started this post you were asking for help because you didn't know what to take out first and the answer it meat. (Protect the meat)For you that disagree with that answer everyone has the privilege to have a different opinion and I will not take cheap shots at you because of it or because you are of another race. I will tell you that there is more than just the horns that make a trophy, My first trophy is the meat then the experience of it all and the experience you just gave to the younger generation and the good example you set for them will be with them forever it would be a total loss if you lost the meat lost the good experience and memory and all you had was some horns to remind you of the total waste it was.
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I'm not racist here, so don't get your panties in a wad...
What the hell is your problem I am Indian and have never left or lost any meat
To be honest though, I've come across kills that were proven tribal in both the Nooksack and Packwood area where there was a lot of wasted meat, so don't take it wrong, It's easy to stereotype. Not to exclude 'poached animals'. Those hunters are scum in my book. I don't even know many on this forum, and don't have any impression that any of them are the type to intentionally waste meat. True, there are whites and others that are wasteful. We've all seen them. As for someone making this into an 'Indian' issue, I think it wise not to go there. If you're a tribal member that does not waste meat and respects the animal provided then please don't take offense. If you're a hunter that has witnessed wasteful act by a tribal member that has you fuming... Remember that not all tribal members are that way.
This is Littlebuf's thread with a valid question.
-Steve
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im still not sure where anybody is getting the "wasting meat" thing. the topic is solo packing and the best process to accomplish said solo pack. i do have a fair amount of Irish and gypsy in me so i'll probably be drunk and steal the trophy from myself, the whole thing could be pointless at that stage of the hunt :dunno:
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:yeah: :yeah:
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I solo pack and I'm often 5+ miles into the high country. I pack 5 game bags in my pack at all times. When the critter is down you bone him out and pack out the biggest load of meat you can haul. After that hopefully you can run down some buddies and finish the pack in a second trip, if not I'm still of the mind set that the meat has to come 1st. If you're worried about the cape bring some salt up on your second trip.
As far as wasting meat you need to judge your distance based on the weather, if it's a hot 80 degree season I hunt somewhere I can make a couple trips a day.
my $0.02,
Coon
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Coonhound that was a great reply I had an article on keeping meet in hot weather up into 90deg weather for several days I wish I had the article it would have been excellent for this post. It talked about putting the meat in a meadow and off the ground for air circulation at night and bringing the meat back into the shade in the day and keeping it covered and repeating it again the next night and you could do this for a few days until you could get it out I think this article was on a drop camp for elk.
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OK, legalities concerned. I keep game bags in my day pack too. Also a ziploc bag for the genitals in case I need to prove what the meat belongs to. I take the situation into account, whether I can pack the head and a smaller bag of meat and either hide it near camp/truck.. Or lock it up. Whatever, then plan on multiple trips to the kill site. If I need to hide the downed animal, so be it. Part of hunting. Hide it from hunters and possibly other critters.
-Steve
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Gotta tell ya that it really surprises me the level of awareness you seem to need "out here" when dealing with your elk or whatever game animal you take. Glad I found this website to begin to understand how often it seems that there are problems associated with keeping your game. I never had these kind of considerations back east.
I wish everyone the best of luck in their pursuit of whatever game animal they are after and even more luck keeping it! :dunno:
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Can't eat horns.
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HEAD OUT FRIST. HIDE BYE RIG SAME WITH MEAT. THEN THEY DONT NO YOU HAVE ONE ! LOW LIFES ARE OUT THERE!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :twocents:
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BIG GAME. TAKEN IN ANTLER OR HORN RESTRICTION AREAS:THE HEAD OR SKULL PLATE ,WITH BOTH HORNS OR BOTH ANTLERS NATURALLY ATTACHED , MUST ACCOMPANY THE CARCASS WHILE IN TRANSIT OR IN POSSESSION.
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Can't eat horns.
well we better all just shoot does than huh, why does everybody get there panties all in a bunch when you mention the trophy as part of the animal? is it not? should we all just leave the head in the woods to show how much we are just hunting for meat? i eat what i kill and ive never wasted meat, i also have heads on the wall. i must be such a terrible person for mounting trophy's, think what a low life bucklucky must be :dunno:
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Can't eat horns.
Yes you can and they are tasty. :chuckle:
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indians do! thats why they dump all those big bulls silly, grind it up and make shakes :chuckle:
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im still not sure where anybody is getting the "wasting meat" thing. the topic is solo packing and the best process to accomplish said solo pack. i do have a fair amount of Irish and gypsy in me so i'll probably be drunk and steal the trophy from myself, the whole thing could be pointless at that stage of the hunt :dunno:
that painted a picture :o
and actually thanks for asking this it is helping me as well with the whole packing out alone.....I had thought about asking the same question
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You can't shoot elk where you want to, so you have to go to them. I love backpack hunting. I have learned from experience what exactly you need when you down an elk in 85 degree weather. And strong fast legs are a must. A couple of good friends that will come at a drop of a hat doesn't hurt either. I have taken several elk 6 miles from the truck. All I can say is be prepared to be totally exhausted and sore from head to toe. A friend and I took bulls 2 days in a row as deep in as we go. It is a good feeling of acomplishment when it's over and you have a cold beer in your hands. If anyone is thinking about it, try it, just know your limit. I tend to push mine alittle far sometimes. If at all possible take a satelite phone and a gps unit and phone number to a packer. I couldn't afford that, so I have to carry them out myself.
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Depends of the situation. If the meat could spoil, that needs to be your first priority. If you leave it, it needs to be protected from predators. In Colorado, I killed a bull late in the day about 8 miles into the wilderness so I put the quarters in game bags and hung them in a tree because I was worried about bears, coyotes, etc. Came back 2 days later (with horses) to pack him out and found that the gut pile had been licked clean. It was hailing and at 11,000 ft when I got him so I wasn't too worried about spoilage.
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I've done those 3am hell packs out, I recomend trying to hunt a spot that you can pack down an elk much easyier by your self. i hope it stays cool for you, this could be you most memerable hunt yet.good luck.
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I would think that spoil is not a worry. lilbuff I am pretty sure proof of sex is to stay attached to the animal until processed that's simple leave it on a hind quarter. As far as packing out I am sure that the trophy should be last to the truck. So put the trophy high in a tree and pack the rest to the truck and go back for the trophy. If you catch someone trying to steal your meat well bag them up also but remember to keep proof of sex attached. Good luck.