Post by: sagerat on August 25, 2009, 08:07:34 PM
Post by: smdave on August 25, 2009, 08:11:39 PM
Post by: Michelle_Nelson on August 25, 2009, 08:12:05 PM
Post by: Ray on August 25, 2009, 08:12:19 PM
Governers tag? now that would b funny
:chuckle:
Post by: Wea300mag on August 25, 2009, 08:12:56 PM
Post by: billythekidrock on August 25, 2009, 08:25:06 PM
Post by: batsquatch on August 25, 2009, 08:39:11 PM
Post by: EastWaViking on August 25, 2009, 08:46:30 PM
Post by: Thenewguy on August 25, 2009, 08:47:01 PM
Post by: billythekidrock on August 25, 2009, 08:51:01 PM
That's a fake tear. Espera de Corti was an Italian actor forever known as "the crying indian"
Yep.
Not an ounce of native blood.
Post by: batsquatch on August 25, 2009, 08:57:17 PM
Post by: Wea300mag on August 25, 2009, 09:02:04 PM
That's a fake tear. Espera de Corti was an Italian actor forever known as "the crying indian"
Wasn't he also known as "Iron Eyes Corti"?
Post by: actionshooter on August 25, 2009, 09:32:28 PM
Post by: SHANE(WA) on August 25, 2009, 09:58:27 PM
Post by: rosscrazyelk on August 26, 2009, 01:28:39 PM
Post by: Dmanmastertracker on August 26, 2009, 01:32:58 PM
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Post by: shanevg on August 26, 2009, 01:35:00 PM
Post by: sagerat on August 26, 2009, 07:08:37 PM
Post by: rezboy on August 26, 2009, 09:30:59 PM
I was thinking tribal too, didn't get a plate cause I was in disbelief of what I saw. Pretty nice buck though with bloody velvet hanging from the rack. Probably one of their "ceremonial" kills. You know the kind, out the window, with a modern rifle, the buck in somebodys pasture, bottle of "cough medicine" between the legs.... >:(
Hey, you know what? My 14 year old son has a tribal buck tag right now for the westside. Completely legal, with an actual tag. Would it be wrong or "piss you off" just because he has the right to do it?? It's for buck only. And by the way, its not a "ceremonial tag" (I doubt if you even know what that means); it's actually for substanence. (which means to eat) And trust me, I would tell him to shoot a 3 point or a 4 point or any other buck for that matter. And, probably to your disbelief, he is not allowed to shoot from the window (since he took a hunter's safety course; go figure, huh?) and yes, it would be with a modern rifle.... get over it.... that's what I hunt with during general season and he has the right to do so during his season.
Sorry if this pisses people off.... but come on.... call in the plate and check if your that concerned. Don't assume and speak without thinking.. :twocents:
Post by: rezboy on August 26, 2009, 09:32:14 PM
Post by: bowtech721 on August 26, 2009, 09:36:44 PM
Post by: rezboy on August 26, 2009, 09:42:53 PM
Post by: actionshooter on August 26, 2009, 09:52:17 PM
I appreciate that man... It really tweeks my hide reading all this BS. My son is half caucasian and half Native American and I will be damned if I stop him from his right just because people have a problem that he can do it and they can't. Damn, he is a kid just like all the other kids of the men on this site (but not really because he is an enrolled Native American, right?) I would love to eventually get him on this site because there are so many good people, but I am actually worried about what he'll read or see. Does anybody think about that when they post deragatory comments about "Indians"? All the administrators preach that this is a "family" site, but come on, do you really think I would let my son read this thread for example??? :dunno:
It is unfortunate that almost all indians are lumped into the same category because there are guys who don't follow the rules. A lot of non natives get pissed when you see or hear about the small percentage who kill several elk a year, spotlight, waste meat ect.
Its good to see your point of view
Post by: rezboy on August 26, 2009, 09:56:56 PM
I appreciate that man... It really tweeks my hide reading all this BS. My son is half caucasian and half Native American and I will be damned if I stop him from his right just because people have a problem that he can do it and they can't. Damn, he is a kid just like all the other kids of the men on this site (but not really because he is an enrolled Native American, right?) I would love to eventually get him on this site because there are so many good people, but I am actually worried about what he'll read or see. Does anybody think about that when they post deragatory comments about "Indians"? All the administrators preach that this is a "family" site, but come on, do you really think I would let my son read this thread for example??? :dunno:
It is unfortunate that almost all indians are lumped into the same category because there are guys who don't follow the rules. A lot of non natives get pissed when you see or hear about the small percentage who kill several elk a year, spotlight, waste meat ect.
Its good to see your point of view
Very good point. But I guarantee that I would never let my son think that all Non-Native hunters are "bad" or allow him to speak about them in a deragatory manner because there are Non-Native poachers out there. He understands that poachers (native or non-native) are a different breed of people that don't respect other people or the gifts that we have been givin to us. He also understands that people aren't "lumped" together just because that's the easiest way to assume things...
I do appreciate your response Action.
Post by: EastWaViking on August 26, 2009, 10:12:45 PM
Post by: bear on August 26, 2009, 10:15:21 PM
Post by: rezboy on August 26, 2009, 10:16:24 PM
And once again, I am not the enrolled member. My son is. He's a kid man, and trust me, he does it the right way and the way that I was taught growing up.
Post by: bear on August 26, 2009, 10:22:48 PM
I understand your opinion, but that is the way it is. I can't change it, nor can my son. (I don't think you can either.) That's why my son only shoots what he has a tag for and that's it. Really, how is that any different than what you or I are allowed to do?Why do we need to have different hunting seasons? I know you don't make the rules and I appreciate that you follow them just as if I appreciate those of us who follow them. Aren't we all hunting in the same country?
And once again, I am not the enrolled member. My son is. He's a kid man, and trust me, he does it the right way and the way that I was taught growing up.
Post by: rezboy on August 26, 2009, 10:27:05 PM
Post by: EastWaViking on August 26, 2009, 10:37:20 PM
Aren't we all hunting in the same country?
Not really, reservations are sovereign nations. Which, in theory should mean they would need a passport and an out of state license...actually out of country license, to visit/hunt in America.
Post by: batsquatch on August 26, 2009, 10:38:57 PM
Post by: rezboy on August 26, 2009, 10:42:21 PM
Aren't we all hunting in the same country?
Not really, reservations are sovereign nations. Which, in theory should mean they would need a passport and an out of state license...actually out of country license, to visit/hunt in America.
No, correction, they have the right to hunt off the reservation; without a passport... :( (But that's an argument/debate that I don't have the energy to deal with and that you would get a kick out of way too much so your opinion is your opinion....)
And Batsquatch, your right, some tribes are allowed to do that. I can't speak for them. Like I said before, my son has actual tags and a "limit" on what he can harvest. Hell, he even has regulations. They're almost as strict as the damn WDFW! :chuckle:
Post by: bear on August 26, 2009, 10:54:26 PM
Believe it or not, his tags and seasons aren't much different than state seasons. And does that really matter since he's only allowed to shoot the same amount of animals as a Non-tribal member? He has to place a tag on them just as we do. He even has to report it to the tribe. I don't really see the fault in that. :twocents:I agree, no fault in that.
Post by: SHANE(WA) on August 26, 2009, 11:05:25 PM
Post by: Buckmark on August 26, 2009, 11:09:41 PM
Believe it or not, his tags and seasons aren't much different than state seasons. And does that really matter since he's only allowed to shoot the same amount of animals as a Non-tribal member? He has to place a tag on them just as we do. He even has to report it to the tribe. I don't really see the fault in that. :twocents:But there is a difference in your season's and bag limits, yes? Just what are the seasons, dates and limits that you or your son as tribal members have available to you?? easy question, how about a real and true answer..
Post by: Dmanmastertracker on August 27, 2009, 07:33:21 AM
Post by: shanevg on August 27, 2009, 10:55:40 AM
I recently talked to a Nooksack Tribe member who was telling me that the Nooksack tribe is allowed to harvest 1 goat per family from the Mount Baker herd. Additionally, there are no unit boundaries, so they can harvest them anywhere they want as long as there is a goat there. He was telling me that he hasn't pulled the trigger yet because he was too far away from his car (his words!) I guess we're lucky that so many of the tribal hunters around here don't feel like packing a goat out or there would be none left for us.
Rezboy, I'm not bashing your son who is following the law with his hunts. I would take advantage of the same thing. It's just a bunch of BS when tribal members can hunt on more land than us with way more tags than us and then when they do poach animals (which tends to happen pretty frequently around here) they don't even get brought to court because they have special rights. It's a load of BS!
Post by: Yak-NDN on August 27, 2009, 11:51:03 AM
And why do you all assume that the Indians have special privileges that they were given and now they all abuse. They are not given privileges they are a wright get over it. Do all on here think that all US residents that live in Washington that hunt should give up there hunting or cut it down to half because all the illegals want to hunt NO, You would say send them back to were they came from. I know you would not give up your privileges as I will not either Yakama Nation gave up half of Washington so settlers could move in, the Gov wanted to negotiate because they could not kill all the Indians and take the land so this is what we and the Gov settled for get over it there are slobs that are tribal and not tribal.
Post by: boneaddict on August 27, 2009, 12:03:42 PM
(question regarding tribal medicine.)
Post by: buckhorn2 on August 27, 2009, 12:04:57 PM
Post by: boneaddict on August 27, 2009, 12:06:56 PM
Post by: bow4elk on August 27, 2009, 12:20:24 PM
Yes, I have a problem with that too, especially when the soverign nation thing comes up. You are either American or not, but again, I don't think that has anything to do with this thread.
+1 United (key word) States of America!
Post by: shanevg on August 27, 2009, 12:25:07 PM
Seriously, where is the justice in that?! In the end, that is why I personally get so frustrated with the extra rights that Native Americans have. Even if they break the American laws and the tribal laws, nothing happens!! This isn't the only documented case of this happening and it certainly isn't right!
I will reiterate again that I understand that Natives are given special hunting privileges, if I were given those privileges, I would use them as well. But that doesn't mean the privileges are fair or good for animal populations. If the Nooksack tribe is truly given one goat tag per family per year while actual Washington state, American citizens are given 16 once-in-a-lifetime tags (only 5 of which are for the Mt. Baker area) that is a load of crap. And no I did not hear about the Nooksack's rights second or third or fourth hand. The tribal member told me that those were his rights. Tribal rights should be limited to the same biological studies that determine the tag numbers that WDFW gives out. Tribes should not have their own fish and game departments determining how much hunting can be allowed off the reservation in (technically speaking) an entirely different country. If WDFW were regulating all tribal tags (even if they had special seasons) as well as all the other tags, things may be a little more fair. Additionally, it is complete BS that tribal members cannot be prosecuted (and often aren't) for poaching wild animals like gray whales, deer, mountain goats, elk, or anything else!
Post by: rezboy on August 27, 2009, 12:49:40 PM
Post by: Yak-NDN on August 27, 2009, 01:34:51 PM
Post by: rezboy on August 27, 2009, 01:39:39 PM
I must agree fair response, I am not trying to defend people in the wrong but I do not like to be in the same category as them, My tribe cant kill whales but some can, my Tribe has no bag limit some do there are differences in all tribes some good and some bad, I don't know if the Makah people were let of or not I am taking your word for it, but I do have first hand experience with them stupid news papers and they are good to read but they wright to sell papers some times bend the truth. I would not be telling the truth if I said I have not bent the rules in the past and I don't believe most on this site are half as truthful as they pretend to be. I have no problem with people that have issues with the Indians wrights hell if I was not Indian I would be pissed, lets just keep it civil.
No bag limit? I freakin hate you! >:(
Post by: Dmanmastertracker on August 27, 2009, 01:39:44 PM
Post by: rezboy on August 27, 2009, 01:41:51 PM
I blame the GOV for stupid decisions in the past. If there was not enough resource to go around and split evenly to begin with, then we shouldn't have colonized Washington, what did they expect our ancestor's to live off of? No foresight of the future, I guess they had visions of McDonalds :chuckle:.
:chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle:
Post by: Yak-NDN on August 27, 2009, 01:45:12 PM
Post by: teal101 on August 27, 2009, 04:09:47 PM
You might want to just stop Rez it never makes a difference I can tell you exactly what is going to come from this we will discuss tribal issues because someone saw someone with an animal from somewhere possibly from another state know body knows but we well all assume that a drunk Indian shot it out from under some kid and laughed at him because the kid was stalking the buck and the Indian shot from the road. HA HA. Then one of the good and not one sided administrators will lock out the thread when some one points out what bull *censored* it is and in a few week someone will say something to get the Indian bashing going again and then the open minded non racily adim will shut it down again only after someone calls *censored*.
And why do you all assume that the Indians have special privileges that they were given and now they all abuse. They are not given privileges they are a wright get over it. Do all on here think that all US residents that live in Washington that hunt should give up there hunting or cut it down to half because all the illegals want to hunt NO, You would say send them back to were they came from. I know you would not give up your privileges as I will not either Yakama Nation gave up half of Washington so settlers could move in, the Gov wanted to negotiate because they could not kill all the Indians and take the land so this is what we and the Gov settled for get over it there are slobs that are tribal and not tribal.
The Gov. negotiated because they didn't want to eliminate a race of people, not because they couldn't.
I have no problem with indians not having bag limits or seasons, on THEIR lands. You have your own lands, rape and pillage them. Stay off our lands. Don't say "well it was once our land". Yes it was before we invaded and took it. You don't see other nations that were taken over given rights to the land taken from them. IMO the tribes should be very grateful they even have what they have today and respect the land.
It is sad many people get grouped into the group of bad indian hunters, but when we see the majority of the indians being slobs, drunks, wasting gov money, wasting game, and being plain rude and disrespectful it paints a bad image. What needs to happen is self policing inside the tribes, but as its been made clear here many times you people don't care to do that and would just rather turn a blind eye.
Sick.
Post by: rezboy on August 27, 2009, 04:14:41 PM
Post by: EastWaViking on August 27, 2009, 04:16:57 PM
Post by: Whitenuckles on August 27, 2009, 05:01:09 PM
You might want to just stop Rez it never makes a difference I can tell you exactly what is going to come from this we will discuss tribal issues because someone saw someone with an animal from somewhere possibly from another state know body knows but we well all assume that a drunk Indian shot it out from under some kid and laughed at him because the kid was stalking the buck and the Indian shot from the road. HA HA. Then one of the good and not one sided administrators will lock out the thread when some one points out what bull *censored* it is and in a few week someone will say something to get the Indian bashing going again and then the open minded non racily adim will shut it down again only after someone calls *censored*.
And why do you all assume that the Indians have special privileges that they were given and now they all abuse. They are not given privileges they are a wright get over it. Do all on here think that all US residents that live in Washington that hunt should give up there hunting or cut it down to half because all the illegals want to hunt NO, You would say send them back to were they came from. I know you would not give up your privileges as I will not either Yakama Nation gave up half of Washington so settlers could move in, the Gov wanted to negotiate because they could not kill all the Indians and take the land so this is what we and the Gov settled for get over it there are slobs that are tribal and not tribal.
The Gov. negotiated because they didn't want to eliminate a race of people, not because they couldn't.
I have no problem with indians not having bag limits or seasons, on THEIR lands. You have your own lands, rape and pillage them. Stay off our lands. Don't say "well it was once our land". Yes it was before we invaded and took it. You don't see other nations that were taken over given rights to the land taken from them. IMO the tribes should be very grateful they even have what they have today and respect the land.
It is sad many people get grouped into the group of bad indian hunters, but when we see the majority of the indians being slobs, drunks, wasting gov money, wasting game, and being plain rude and disrespectful it paints a bad image. What needs to happen is self policing inside the tribes, but as its been made clear here many times you people don't care to do that and would just rather turn a blind eye.
Sick.
I couldnt agree more! I saw a guy drive up to a Joe Watt feeding station, pull out his rifle, shot an 8x8, then cut the head off and drove away! This happened right in front of 4 of my freinds and I. Im talking 50 yards away from us! We called the cops and followed the guy so he didnt get away, he pulled into a gas station, and the cops were there soon after. Turns out hes an indian, and that made it ok. >:(
I remeber an old timer talking to me about the U.S. Gov making a treaty with the indians. In that treaty it said the indians could hunt off the rez. But in the same tready, more than 3 indians together off the rez. was considered a war party and could be shot!!!!!
If the indians are so persistant in us honoring our age old treadies, why dont we honor all of it! The reason is, they want what is good for them and only that. They care nothing of making America an equal and united nation. Do you think if we were to go on their land a abuse it like like they abuse ours they wouldnt be bitching like we do!
With that said. I know there are good indians. I love there culture. But things need to change or crap like this will always be around!
Post by: teal101 on August 28, 2009, 08:31:40 AM
I try to stay away. It sickens me driving through what could be beautiful sage land and such and only seeing 100 run down single wides, cars driven till the oil ran out then dumped, etc. The trash is terrible up north in the colville area. Its sick. Thats the main rez I'm around and it sounds like its pretty much the norm.
We inquired about fishing around the Okanogan river up there. Apparently the sloughs aren't indian lands, the indians just claim it as theirs and hold people at gun point and take their equipment for going in em. No thanks. *censored* like that sure doesn't give a good image.
Starting to see where the stereotype of "drunk slobbish poaching indian" comes from? Its pretty sad everyone gets grouped as that, but like I said before, ya aint doing anything about it.
Post by: rezboy on August 28, 2009, 09:16:50 AM
You might want to just stop Rez it never makes a difference I can tell you exactly what is going to come from this we will discuss tribal issues because someone saw someone with an animal from somewhere possibly from another state know body knows but we well all assume that a drunk Indian shot it out from under some kid and laughed at him because the kid was stalking the buck and the Indian shot from the road. HA HA. Then one of the good and not one sided administrators will lock out the thread when some one points out what bull *censored* it is and in a few week someone will say something to get the Indian bashing going again and then the open minded non racily adim will shut it down again only after someone calls *censored*.
And why do you all assume that the Indians have special privileges that they were given and now they all abuse. They are not given privileges they are a wright get over it. Do all on here think that all US residents that live in Washington that hunt should give up there hunting or cut it down to half because all the illegals want to hunt NO, You would say send them back to were they came from. I know you would not give up your privileges as I will not either Yakama Nation gave up half of Washington so settlers could move in, the Gov wanted to negotiate because they could not kill all the Indians and take the land so this is what we and the Gov settled for get over it there are slobs that are tribal and not tribal.
The Gov. negotiated because they didn't want to eliminate a race of people, not because they couldn't.
I have no problem with indians not having bag limits or seasons, on THEIR lands. You have your own lands, rape and pillage them. Stay off our lands. Don't say "well it was once our land". Yes it was before we invaded and took it. You don't see other nations that were taken over given rights to the land taken from them. IMO the tribes should be very grateful they even have what they have today and respect the land.
It is sad many people get grouped into the group of bad indian hunters, but when we see the majority of the indians being slobs, drunks, wasting gov money, wasting game, and being plain rude and disrespectful it paints a bad image. What needs to happen is self policing inside the tribes, but as its been made clear here many times you people don't care to do that and would just rather turn a blind eye.
Sick.
Damn, that was harsh. Spend a lot of time on the Rez do ya Teal?
I try to stay away. It sickens me driving through what could be beautiful sage land and such and only seeing 100 run down single wides, cars driven till the oil ran out then dumped, etc. The trash is terrible up north in the colville area. Its sick. Thats the main rez I'm around and it sounds like its pretty much the norm.
We inquired about fishing around the Okanogan river up there. Apparently the sloughs aren't indian lands, the indians just claim it as theirs and hold people at gun point and take their equipment for going in em. No thanks. *censored* like that sure doesn't give a good image.
Starting to see where the stereotype of "drunk slobbish poaching indian" comes from? Its pretty sad everyone gets grouped as that, but like I said before, ya aint doing anything about it.
Ya. That doesn't sound too good. I wouldn't say it is that bad down where we live. I've never been to the Colville rez so I wouldn't know how bad it is, which means I really don't have a right to say anything about it. And what exactly do you think Yak and I can do? (It's seems like your real tied up on us doing something.) I think your putting us in a tough spot because of your animosity towards what you see closer to your home. :dunno:
And actually, the run-down places that we see belong to all races of people, not just the natives. :twocents:
Post by: stlhdr1 on August 29, 2009, 09:15:07 AM
Here's my take on it Rezboy and you brought it up.....
It cracks me up when someone claims to be "Indian" because they are 1/2, 1/4, 1/8, 1/16th. To me an indian is a full blooded 100% indian and they deserve "their" special rights the Government signed with them.
To take advantage of those rights is one thing, but to use the latest technology (weapons, vehicles, etc) is another thing. I'll guarantee when the treaty was signed they had no clue how advanced this country would be.
Lastly, I have a couple friends who are 1/8th indian, they're brothers. They laugh at the thought of using their priveledges to have special rights. Funny part is even though they're 1/8th indian and you ask them what they are, they'll tell you they're White Americans and looking at them, you wouldn't know the difference.
Keith
Post by: NW-GSP on August 29, 2009, 12:06:40 PM
Oh yeah, I forgot, he has a bull tag too.... (once again legal, with an actual tag) :'(
sorry but I think the whole point is that just cause someone is native does not mean that they should be given special rights. they fought they lost get over it. No more goverment handouts
Post by: Sportfury on August 30, 2009, 04:15:45 AM
In every group there is always bad apples and somehow those bad apples always seem to make the biggest waves. Look back to when Boeing was on strike. Funny how the news crews could always pick the biggest TARD out of the group and put them on TV. I knew some of the guys and wondered how that POS got put on TV. Of course he made everyone look stupid. Then you got the guy in the grocery store, who seen the news, talking about the POS Boeing guys and how they are being so Fing selfish. The guy who shot that bull at the feeding station just for the antlers was one of them. The guys who snagged the ten year olds fish on the SKOK were another. The rednecks and tweekers that go up in the woods and trash it, so it gets shut down are more. The list goes on and on. We need to get rid of these apples because people only see the bad apples. They need policing within our own ranks. Of course change takes time. Hopefully that time is sooner than later.
Post by: kopfjaeger on August 30, 2009, 09:21:01 AM
There is fault to be found in everything if all you are looking for is fault. Take a few minutes and put yourself in their position; how would you like to be stripped of almost everything you are or have and then regulated by your conqueror? And if you want to talk about being "American", on a percentage basis, "Indians" have the highest record of military service than any other ethnic class. http://library.thinkquest.org/TQ0312140/ThinkQuest/Patty%20Jo/Native%20Americans%20in%20the%20Military.htm
I spent 8 years in the USMC and had several Native American comrades that I would be honored to share a foxhole with.
These aren't "special rights" because of "skin color". They have these rights because they were negotiated with our government when they agreed to peace. Whether that was 100 years ago or not makes no difference; these are their rights just as we have rights. What would your reaction be if you faced the loss of your 2nd amendment rights?
Don't get me wrong; I do not condone wastage or poaching, by anyone.I would be the first to defend my harvest from someone trying to take it from me, but unfortunately we see it on both sides. Bad sportsmanship is just that. The point is don't jump to conclusions because of cultural mis-perceptions. 6 deer in a truck and one guy, so what, how do you know he isn't feeding 6 families?
What it comes down to is we all want to fill our tags, and those that jump on the "unfair" band wagon, take the easy path and point at the easy targets. The problem lies with the state and federal regulations. I am a meat hunter, but because of "regulations", I am forced to be a trophy hunter. What tastes better, a bull elk or a cow elk? Ask yourself, do you hunt for the meat to live, or the rack to brag?
If you don't like how things are being run, get involved and make the changes, but don't make blanket statements condemning a portion of our society because they are actively taking advantage of the regulations afforded them. You would too if you could!
Rez and Yak, it is unfortunate that you have to face constant criticism and animosity because of a few bad apples. I appreciate the fact that you do not appear to be overly cynical or resentful towards the majority for their imposed ignorance. Rez, congrats to your boy for drawing tags, I hope he is successful in filling them.
Post by: rezboy on August 30, 2009, 09:45:44 AM
NW-GSP: It's not a special right. He holds a tag just as you or I do when we purchase them. Last I checked it's not a government handout due to the fact that he pays $20 to the tribe to hold the tag. And maybe you should get over it since your the one complaining? :dunno: But once again your opinion is your opinion and its not worth my time to debate it with you.... Take care.
Stlhdr1: How do I respond to you....? My children are half Native American and they will be, along with me and my wife, damn proud of that fact. I understand your comment, but the tribe's are the one's that regulate their blood quantum. Obviously it is important enough for them to carry on thier Native blood. It doesn't matter if it's a 1/4, 1/2 or full-blooded because they all carry the blood of their people.
Post by: Dmanmastertracker on August 30, 2009, 10:33:04 AM
That comment throws a whole lot of people under the bus, let's stick to the topic of responsible harvest. If my grandfather's family is proud of their Irish heritage and none of them are "100%" Irish, so be it, it's a free Country, we need to remember that. None of us here are 100% anything for certain, we just happen to reside in particular borders.
Post by: rezboy on August 30, 2009, 10:56:14 AM
"It cracks me up when someone claims to be "Indian" because they are 1/2, 1/4, 1/8, 1/16th."
That comment throws a whole lot of people under the bus, let's stick to the topic of responsible harvest. If my grandfather's family is proud of their Irish heritage and none of them are "100%" Irish, so be it, it's a free Country, we need to remember that. None of us here are 100% anything for certain, we just happen to reside in particular borders.
:yeah:
Post by: runningboard on August 30, 2009, 11:01:25 AM
oh, yeah, I am a full-blood mutt! several different tribes but all Indian! :chuckle:
we are currently rewriting the hunting regs for our reservation and I look at these topics and try to understand where you are coming from so I can make sound recommendations as to how our regs should be written in regards to others feelings about habitat, conservation, ehtics, etc. but when it's just "f-ing NDN's get everything handed to them and don't give a damn!" how is that helping me care about how you feel? my tribe funds so much in regards to our daily operations here on our rez, we don't rely on big brother for anything, I realize we are an exception but others are following our lead.
we should work together against the anti-hunting fanatics and yes the tribe's need to punish those that waste in the name of sustenance and cry "my god-given right". they are making us ALL look like asses in the eye of the public. good hunting all & post your stories when you get back from your hunting endeavors.
Post by: oneezreiter on August 30, 2009, 11:10:19 AM
Post by: littlebuf on August 30, 2009, 12:28:36 PM
show me one living Indian that was "conquered" or "stripped" of any thing
Post by: KillBilly on August 30, 2009, 01:37:45 PM
This is where racism begins, where you give benefits and perks to other races due to skin color
Exactly the way the indians felt when they were considered less than human by the caucasians and even blacks. Indians were considered heathens by most even after our government gave them reservations and limited rights.
It makes me wonder when any of us caucasians heve actually been repressed by another race.
Post by: kopfjaeger on August 30, 2009, 10:20:12 PM
"There is fault to be found in everything if all you are looking for is fault. Take a few minutes and put yourself in their position; how would you like to be stripped of almost everything you are or have and then regulated by your conqueror?"
show me one living Indian that was "conquered" or "stripped" of any thing
They continue today as a conquered people. They have no standing military, they are beholden to the U.S. government; they have to balance two lives, one on the res and one off. In 1914, the federal government ceded over 500,000 acres from the southern half of the Colville Reservation. Should we find out if there are any alive today that were born before that happened? Or, maybe their children that had mom and dad tell them about it? For crying out load man, Yak and Rez, have some of their honor stripped from them everytime someone on this site makes derogatory blanket statements about native americans.
Post by: littlebuf on August 30, 2009, 10:41:31 PM