Post by: Stlheader on August 29, 2009, 12:15:25 PM
Post by: Ridgerunner on August 29, 2009, 12:26:48 PM
Either way, I suppose it could have been a blacktail, seems more like a muley though. Either way, incredible deer
Post by: PolarBear on August 29, 2009, 12:31:04 PM
Post by: Bighorse on August 29, 2009, 01:07:52 PM
Great rack!
Post by: Stlheader on August 29, 2009, 03:28:06 PM
Post by: TeacherMan on August 29, 2009, 04:01:04 PM
Post by: BLKBEARKLR on August 29, 2009, 04:28:52 PM
Post by: littlebuf on August 29, 2009, 05:10:51 PM
Post by: littlebuf on August 29, 2009, 05:11:46 PM
Post by: bobcat on August 29, 2009, 06:49:44 PM
Post by: littlebuf on August 29, 2009, 07:35:59 PM
Post by: G.R.K on August 29, 2009, 09:16:07 PM
Post by: bullchaser on August 31, 2009, 10:32:27 AM
Post by: KimberRich on August 31, 2009, 12:03:17 PM
Looks more mulie, could be a benchleg...
I agree
Post by: Legacy on August 31, 2009, 12:29:23 PM
The second pic of the Blacktail with the Cowlitz county connection and which says "pending world record" is obviously a typical and the current world record did come out of Lewis County, Washington (182 2/8).
Post by: Pete112288 on December 04, 2016, 01:45:46 PM
Post by: Karl Blanchard on December 04, 2016, 02:44:06 PM
Post by: Bullkllr on December 04, 2016, 03:16:03 PM
i thought lewis county also, i guess i was right about the original record buck. this one popped up on a search and i thought it was the same one
Here's that one
(https://hunting-washington.com/smf/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.boone-crockett.org%2Fbgrecords%2Fimages%2FimagesRecords%2Fwr_mdcb_big.jpg&hash=383374f6cbc799dae89ef5ae63ba18f12f5f8ab8)
Post by: Boss .300 winmag on December 04, 2016, 03:23:01 PM
I rather have this stud than the WR. ;)
Post by: fishnfur on December 05, 2016, 12:06:48 PM
Blacktail and mule deer have the same antler configurations so without a cape how can one tell if it's mule deer or blacktail? Is it just because it is big?
That confuses me. What is the difference in capes between the two? The only difference in animals that I am aware of, other than antler size, is the shape and coloration of the tail.
Post by: fishnfur on December 05, 2016, 01:11:29 PM
Blacktail and mule deer have the same antler configurations so without a cape how can one tell if it's mule deer or blacktail? Is it just because it is big?
That confuses me. What is the difference in capes between the two? The only difference in animals that I am aware of, other than antler/body size is the shape and coloration of the tail.
Edit - .......and of course genetic. http://www.boone-crockett.org/community/pdf/FC_Full2005_MuleDeerSubspecies.pdf - page 3, middle column, half-way down.
Post by: JDHasty on December 05, 2016, 01:22:49 PM
Post by: fishnfur on December 05, 2016, 01:43:59 PM
Scans attached from one of the books. I suggest you get your own copies (if you don't already have them) Cover provided for legal and promotional purposes.
Post by: fishnfur on December 05, 2016, 01:50:57 PM
From a previous post: http://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php/topic,204327.msg2715979.html#msg2715979
Post by: JDHasty on December 05, 2016, 01:56:45 PM
Hmmmm.......
Scans attached from one of the books. I suggest you get your own copies (if you don't already have them) Cover provided for legal and promotional purposes.
I looked all over for a copy of that book a while back and couldn't find one. It was easy to order a couple copies today.
Post by: Karl Blanchard on December 05, 2016, 02:20:12 PM
I must have typed it wrong or you misunderstood me. The point I was trying to make is there a 0 way to tell whether that is a mule deer or Blacktail just by looking at a set of capped antlers. Since both animals have the same antler configurations one would need some form of other identification to judge species.Blacktail and mule deer have the same antler configurations so without a cape how can one tell if it's mule deer or blacktail? Is it just because it is big?
That confuses me. What is the difference in capes between the two? The only difference in animals that I am aware of, other than antler size, is the shape and coloration of the tail.
Post by: NWCoho on December 05, 2016, 02:56:49 PM
Post by: Boss .300 winmag on December 05, 2016, 02:59:47 PM
Another old vintage Blacktail with lots of dust. Killed on the Everett legion golf course in 1942.
That's a dandy, is it yours now?
Amazing how many big racks are hidden away collecting dust.
Post by: Karl Blanchard on December 05, 2016, 03:05:18 PM
I bet there are as many that were left in the field for the mice as there are hidden away in garages. My grandpa never kept a single rack. Even his moose he shot in Canada in the late 70's. It was all about that meat for most of those old timers.Another old vintage Blacktail with lots of dust. Killed on the Everett legion golf course in 1942.
That's a dandy, is it yours now?
Amazing how many big racks are hidden away collecting dust.
Post by: JDHasty on December 05, 2016, 03:07:01 PM
I must have typed it wrong or you misunderstood me. The point I was trying to make is there a 0 way to tell whether that is a mule deer or Blacktail just by looking at a set of capped antlers. Since both animals have the same antler configurations one would need some form of other identification to judge species.Blacktail and mule deer have the same antler configurations so without a cape how can one tell if it's mule deer or blacktail? Is it just because it is big?
That confuses me. What is the difference in capes between the two? The only difference in animals that I am aware of, other than antler size, is the shape and coloration of the tail.
DNA
Post by: Boss .300 winmag on December 05, 2016, 03:07:40 PM
I bet there are as many that were left in the field for the mice as there are hidden away in garages. My grandpa never kept a single rack. Even his moose he shot in Canada in the late 70's. It was all about that meat for most of those old timers.Another old vintage Blacktail with lots of dust. Killed on the Everett legion golf course in 1942.
That's a dandy, is it yours now?
Amazing how many big racks are hidden away collecting dust.
I know a guy that grew up in Idaho, he still leaves racks in the woods when he shoots Bulls , and bucks. :yike:
Post by: NWCoho on December 05, 2016, 03:36:23 PM
Yes My gramp had a bunch of horns but out of the hundreds this one always stuck with me. He told me the story when i was young. It would come up from the golf course and eat in his garden every day until he said enough. He took my dad and a wheel barrel down to the edge of the course and brought it home. Plan to get it mounted some day. Almost used that cap from that big Blacktail i got this year.
Post by: Karl Blanchard on December 05, 2016, 03:40:37 PM
Yes DNA is the obvious way to tell but I don't taking a DNA sample by looking at a picture is possible.I must have typed it wrong or you misunderstood me. The point I was trying to make is there a 0 way to tell whether that is a mule deer or Blacktail just by looking at a set of capped antlers. Since both animals have the same antler configurations one would need some form of other identification to judge species.Blacktail and mule deer have the same antler configurations so without a cape how can one tell if it's mule deer or blacktail? Is it just because it is big?
That confuses me. What is the difference in capes between the two? The only difference in animals that I am aware of, other than antler size, is the shape and coloration of the tail.
DNA
Once again, I was trying to point out that you cannot tell BT or MD by LOOKING at a picture of a capped set of antlers. Every time someone puts up a pic of a big blacktail it is belittled with "gotta be mule deer" or "benchleg", when there is no way to tell that from a pic of a skull cap tacked to a shed. Giant BT bucks do exist and are one of the most impressive trophies, so lets show them some respect, not belittlement :twocents:
Post by: Karl Blanchard on December 05, 2016, 03:41:20 PM
That's a dandy, is it yours now?I agree you gotta get a cape on that bad boy!
Yes My gramp had a bunch of horns but out of the hundreds this one always stuck with me. He told me the story when i was young. It would come up from the golf course and eat in his garden every day until he said enough. He took my dad and a wheel barrel down to the edge of the course and brought it home. Plan to get it mounted some day. Almost used that cap from that big Blacktail i got this year.
Post by: Mr Mykiss on December 05, 2016, 03:46:24 PM
Another old vintage Blacktail with lots of dust. Killed on the Everett legion golf course in 1942.I think many of us may have just missed the take home message here...GIANT bucks ALWAYS live on golf courses!! Been that way since always!! You're welcome.
Post by: fishnfur on December 05, 2016, 03:46:32 PM
I must have typed it wrong or you misunderstood me. The point I was trying to make is there a 0 way to tell whether that is a mule deer or Blacktail just by looking at a set of capped antlers. Since both animals have the same antler configurations one would need some form of other identification to judge species.Blacktail and mule deer have the same antler configurations so without a cape how can one tell if it's mule deer or blacktail? Is it just because it is big?
That confuses me. What is the difference in capes between the two? The only difference in animals that I am aware of, other than antler size, is the shape and coloration of the tail.
DNA
I agree JD, but I don't get the feeling anyone is doing that. The story of the hunter and location of the harvest seem to determine the sub-species at this point. For the case in question - that monster rack posted by the OP, it would be a relatively simple matter to do a DNA extraction from the skull plate, but where would you send it? That rack seems so huge that it seems that word of this monster would have leaked out over the years if it was a BT. It may be my imagination (and God knows I rarely know what I'm talking about), but it looks to my untrained eye like it would score 180+, even without a known size reference next to it. Tons of mass and spread on that thing!
Post by: fishnfur on December 05, 2016, 03:47:11 PM
Another old vintage Blacktail with lots of dust. Killed on the Everett legion golf course in 1942.I think many of us may have just missed the take home message here...GIANT bucks ALWAYS live on golf courses!! Been that way since always!! You're welcome.
:chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle:
I wonder if the hunter got a penalty stroke for taking an extra shot?
Post by: Karl Blanchard on December 05, 2016, 04:00:23 PM
My great uncle Jack's buck sat in my grandpa's basement for literally decades. It wasn't until I got older and more into deer that I dug into the story behind it. Shot in the mid 20's on our family farm in Eatonville, it was just tossed up in the rafters of the barn. When my uncles were in highschool they took up taxidermy and desperate for more projects they snagged that rack and put a cape on it. Thats how it ended up in my grandpas basement. Never saw the light of day until I convinced my grandpa to let me get it scored. At the time it was number 4 or 5 in the world for Typical Columbia BT. The following year B&C established a Non typical classification fot he CBT and this buck was the pending world record Non Typ. That year alone though multiple basement bucks were dug up and scored, which crushed Jack's buck. Not sure where he ranks today but I believe he is still in the top 10. If anyone has the latest addition of the NW big game records book they can look him up. He's also in some book written by the guy who scored it about the greatest BT of all time or something to that effect.I must have typed it wrong or you misunderstood me. The point I was trying to make is there a 0 way to tell whether that is a mule deer or Blacktail just by looking at a set of capped antlers. Since both animals have the same antler configurations one would need some form of other identification to judge species.Blacktail and mule deer have the same antler configurations so without a cape how can one tell if it's mule deer or blacktail? Is it just because it is big?
That confuses me. What is the difference in capes between the two? The only difference in animals that I am aware of, other than antler size, is the shape and coloration of the tail.
DNA
I agree JD, but I don't get the feeling anyone is doing that. The story of the hunter and location of the harvest seem to determine the sub-species at this point. For the case in question - that monster rack posted by the OP, it would be a relatively simple matter to do a DNA extraction from the skull plate, but where would you send it? That rack seems so huge that it seems that word of this monster would have leaked out over the years if it was a BT. It may be my imagination (and God knows I rarely know what I'm talking about), but it looks to my untrained eye like it would score 180+, even without a known size reference next to it. Tons of mass and spread on that thing!
Lots of Monster BT, MD, WT, Elk, etc out there that nobody knows about or cares enough to have scored.
Post by: Boss .300 winmag on December 05, 2016, 04:45:01 PM
My great uncle Jack's buck sat in my grandpa's basement for literally decades. It wasn't until I got older and more into deer that I dug into the story behind it. Shot in the mid 20's on our family farm in Eatonville, it was just tossed up in the rafters of the barn. When my uncles were in highschool they took up taxidermy and desperate for more projects they snagged that rack and put a cape on it. Thats how it ended up in my grandpas basement. Never saw the light of day until I convinced my grandpa to let me get it scored. At the time it was number 4 or 5 in the world for Typical Columbia BT. The following year B&C established a Non typical classification fot he CBT and this buck was the pending world record Non Typ. That year alone though multiple basement bucks were dug up and scored, which crushed Jack's buck. Not sure where he ranks today but I believe he is still in the top 10. If anyone has the latest addition of the NW big game records book they can look him up. He's also in some book written by the guy who scored it about the greatest BT of all time or something to that effect.I must have typed it wrong or you misunderstood me. The point I was trying to make is there a 0 way to tell whether that is a mule deer or Blacktail just by looking at a set of capped antlers. Since both animals have the same antler configurations one would need some form of other identification to judge species.Blacktail and mule deer have the same antler configurations so without a cape how can one tell if it's mule deer or blacktail? Is it just because it is big?
That confuses me. What is the difference in capes between the two? The only difference in animals that I am aware of, other than antler size, is the shape and coloration of the tail.
DNA
I agree JD, but I don't get the feeling anyone is doing that. The story of the hunter and location of the harvest seem to determine the sub-species at this point. For the case in question - that monster rack posted by the OP, it would be a relatively simple matter to do a DNA extraction from the skull plate, but where would you send it? That rack seems so huge that it seems that word of this monster would have leaked out over the years if it was a BT. It may be my imagination (and God knows I rarely know what I'm talking about), but it looks to my untrained eye like it would score 180+, even without a known size reference next to it. Tons of mass and spread on that thing!
Lots of Monster BT, MD, WT, Elk, etc out there that nobody knows about or cares enough to have scored.
Got any pics?
Post by: Karl Blanchard on December 05, 2016, 05:20:42 PM
I'm afraid we won't ever see that head again though I still keep a sharp eye on craigslist and the local pawn shops. I hate theives :bash:
Post by: NWCoho on December 05, 2016, 05:31:02 PM
I bet there are as many that were left in the field for the mice as there are hidden away in garages. My grandpa never kept a single rack. Even his moose he shot in Canada in the late 70's. It was all about that meat for most of those old timers.Another old vintage Blacktail with lots of dust. Killed on the Everett legion golf course in 1942.
That's a dandy, is it yours now?
Amazing how many big racks are hidden away collecting dust.
He always said you can't eat those horns and the big ones are tough. Take those young bucks and let those big bucks take care of the does. I would ask him why he had so many big horns in the shop. Answer was always because. He told me the easiest way to tell a MD from BT on the high hunts was by the size of the ears. :chuckle: He killed 2 big moose that i remember. Those horns stayed on the shop floor. I have the smallest set of those and the same thing it was all about the story he told me.
StlHeader That's a huge Blacktail thanks for posting. No DNA, Cape, Tail or Ears needed for me. It's all about the trophy and stories. I just enjoy having the chance to view it. Its also nice to see big trophies like that get noticed in the books but that's up to the owner. Maybe we need a Vintage Hidden Horn/Fur/Feather thread.
Post by: fishnfur on December 05, 2016, 10:25:15 PM