Post by: norsepeak on September 27, 2009, 10:50:18 PM
So third client hunted with me for the whole second week. We got lots of bulls to play, but couldn't get a shot until day 5. We tried a "secret" and very aggressive tactic in a clearcut, and it worked awsome. Had a MONSTER 7pt 340-350ish bull come walking right out into the clearcut with us. I stopped him at 44 yards completley broadside. Client takes the shot, hits good behind the shoulder, but pretty high, not sure about the shot when we see the bull run into the timber. So we gave him 6 hours before the search. We 10, count 'em 10 people go in for the recovery. We put in 40+ man hours searching, circling, griding and sniffing and no bull. I wanted to throw up. I felt completley exhausted, dissappointed and disgusted that this happend.
So for archery season this year instead of several happy clients with big smiles and hero shots....all we got was three guys crying for the cover of next years brochure....sorry for the bad news, but I thought I'd let you know how our season went. In a word, horrible!
Post by: hornhunter on September 27, 2009, 10:59:38 PM
Post by: bowhunterforever on September 27, 2009, 11:03:13 PM
Post by: hornhunter on September 27, 2009, 11:05:20 PM
Dang that sucks,talk about bad luck.Do you have very many muzzy hunters hunting the peaches with you?
good question.......the elk might still be call worthy......
Post by: norsepeak on September 27, 2009, 11:06:36 PM
we have two possible muzzloaders, but they haven't committed due to job issues. No Oct. 1 rifle clients yet which is strange, usually we have a couple. To bad too, we've got some stud bulls located, just waitin for a shooter.
Post by: hornhunter on September 27, 2009, 11:12:01 PM
Post by: gasman on September 28, 2009, 05:14:59 AM
How was Oregon? What did you get?
Pete
Post by: PA BEN on September 28, 2009, 06:02:38 AM
Post by: C-Money on September 28, 2009, 06:40:36 AM
Post by: 257 Wby Mag on September 28, 2009, 06:46:43 AM
Post by: lewy on September 28, 2009, 06:47:25 AM
Post by: Wyoming08 on September 28, 2009, 08:14:41 AM
Did you take a father son out? Gregs brother told me they ended up sticking 4, between the 2 of em, recovering none.... Not to mention a 360&380 bull stuck and lost in the Dayton, within 24 hours by another pard, that wasn't shooting, but did the calling. The 360 was recovered 2 days later. You had nothing to do with the Dayton bulls oviously, just saying, getting real tired of guys taking hurried shots, not being proficient with their equipment, etc.
:( :( I think my neighbor was the guy who stuck the 380+ in the Dayton. He said it was a monster 7x7 and he looked for it for almost 10 hours with no recovery... He even went back the next weekend and nothing??? :bash:
Post by: LongTatLaw on September 28, 2009, 11:01:42 AM
I have never hunted in peaches before last week but I went in for 3 days with a hunt-wa peaches tag holder and it wasnt what he has seen there before.
we did get on some bulls but they werent talking much and the few that came all the way in were damn sure nervous to say the least!
stay after it brother!
Post by: JoeVon on September 28, 2009, 05:28:55 PM
Did you take a father son out? Gregs brother told me they ended up sticking 4, between the 2 of em, recovering none.... Not to mention a 360&380 bull stuck and lost in the Dayton, within 24 hours by another pard, that wasn't shooting, but did the calling. The 360 was recovered 2 days later. You had nothing to do with the Dayton bulls oviously, just saying, getting real tired of guys taking hurried shots, not being proficient with their equipment, etc.
:( :( I think my neighbor was the guy who stuck the 380+ in the Dayton. He said it was a monster 7x7 and he looked for it for almost 10 hours with no recovery... He even went back the next weekend and nothing??? :bash:
From what i've been hearing, your neighbor was the third... >:( If I'm correct Jud's pard called in the 380 first for the guy he was hunting with, then hooked up with a kid that was over there and called in the 360 bull. At least the kid punched his tag on the 360 bull from what i've heard.
Post by: RyanD on September 28, 2009, 06:11:41 PM
Post by: JoeVon on September 28, 2009, 06:19:22 PM
This has been the worst year I can remember for these kind of stories. Not sure the reason but I have a pretty good theory. Makes me sick :bash:
I was thinking the same thing. :dunno:
Post by: gasman on September 28, 2009, 06:29:46 PM
This has been the worst year I can remember for these kind of stories. Not sure the reason but I have a pretty good theory. Makes me sick :bash:
Don't hold us in suspence, whats your theory :dunno:
Post by: RyanD on September 28, 2009, 07:31:22 PM
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Don't hold us in suspence, whats your theory
Archery hunting participation has increased dramatically over the last few years either from multiseason tags, media, internet or whatever. There is a ton of new archers hunting that will get the latest technology, stand out in there yard in the summer and shoot 50-75 yards all day long. Technology has made archery relatively easy to learn in a short amount of time. Then comes hunting season these folks get an animal out there-they have made that shot 100 times at the backyard taget and the game totally changes. The animal moves, jumps, jacket gets caught in the string, etc.. There is a ton of inexperience out in the field. I am not saying everyone can't enjoy archery but I think a mandatory bowhunter education wouldn't be a bad idea. I know you can't fix stupid but it has to help.
Post by: Thenewguy on September 28, 2009, 07:38:09 PM
Post by: actionshooter on September 28, 2009, 07:52:42 PM
Post by: jackelope on September 28, 2009, 08:10:04 PM
i know of 2, maybe 3 wounded not recovered animals shot by hunters who are long experienced bow hunters.
all these wounded animals we are hearing about is ridiculous. i completely understand *censored* happens at times, and it will happen to the best of us...as much as we don't like to think about it.
what surprises me more is the number of people airing it out for the world to see. God forbid it happens to me, but if it does, i won't be posting stories about it on the net for all the world to see.
mandatory bowhunter ed is a great idea.
Post by: rougheye on September 28, 2009, 08:11:41 PM
My first thought was the multiseason tags. How many jokers pick up a bow just b/c they now get more time to hunt?
:yeah:
Post by: 257 Wby Mag on September 28, 2009, 08:17:44 PM
Did you take a father son out? Gregs brother told me they ended up sticking 4, between the 2 of em, recovering none.... Not to mention a 360&380 bull stuck and lost in the Dayton, within 24 hours by another pard, that wasn't shooting, but did the calling. The 360 was recovered 2 days later. You had nothing to do with the Dayton bulls oviously, just saying, getting real tired of guys taking hurried shots, not being proficient with their equipment, etc.
:( :( I think my neighbor was the guy who stuck the 380+ in the Dayton. He said it was a monster 7x7 and he looked for it for almost 10 hours with no recovery... He even went back the next weekend and nothing??? :bash:
From what i've been hearing, your neighbor was the third... >:( If I'm correct Jud's pard called in the 380 first for the guy he was hunting with, then hooked up with a kid that was over there and called in the 360 bull. At least the kid punched his tag on the 360 bull from what i've heard.
Yup, you guessed it Joe. 380 was conservative, pard said it was more like 400. Felt like puking. Felt bad for all invoved. I've have also heard of several more. I also am for a bowhunter course/test of some kind.
Post by: gottatree on September 28, 2009, 08:20:43 PM
how much of this are we hearing about now that the internet is alive and well in the hunting community? how much did we just not hear about on here before we had 4k members posting all their stories?:yeah: :yeah: :yeah: :yeah:
i know of 2, maybe 3 wounded not recovered animals shot by hunters who are long experienced bow hunters.
all these wounded animals we are hearing about is ridiculous. i completely understand *censored* happens at times, and it will happen to the best of us...as much as we don't like to think about it.
what surprises me more is the number of people airing it out for the world to see. God forbid it happens to me, but if it does, i won't be posting stories about it on the net for all the world to see.
mandatory bowhunter ed is a great idea.
Post by: JoeVon on September 28, 2009, 08:25:24 PM
Did you take a father son out? Gregs brother told me they ended up sticking 4, between the 2 of em, recovering none.... Not to mention a 360&380 bull stuck and lost in the Dayton, within 24 hours by another pard, that wasn't shooting, but did the calling. The 360 was recovered 2 days later. You had nothing to do with the Dayton bulls oviously, just saying, getting real tired of guys taking hurried shots, not being proficient with their equipment, etc.
:( :( I think my neighbor was the guy who stuck the 380+ in the Dayton. He said it was a monster 7x7 and he looked for it for almost 10 hours with no recovery... He even went back the next weekend and nothing??? :bash:
From what i've been hearing, your neighbor was the third... >:( If I'm correct Jud's pard called in the 380 first for the guy he was hunting with, then hooked up with a kid that was over there and called in the 360 bull. At least the kid punched his tag on the 360 bull from what i've heard.
Yup, you guessed it Joe. 380 was conservative, pard said it was more like 400. Felt like puking. Felt bad for all invoved. I've have also heard of several more. I also am for a bowhunter course/test of some kind.
Figured that was what went on Jud.
I too am for mandatory bowhunter education. It'd at least weed out the guys that didn't REALLY want to do it. I don't think its a "cure all", but it definitely wouldn't hurt.
Post by: WDFW Hates ME!!! on September 28, 2009, 08:33:05 PM
Post by: SuperDave on September 28, 2009, 08:37:13 PM
Good points Ryan, I also tend to think it has become increasingly easy to go down and pick up a bugle and go out and call in bulls, hence them being call shy! Sorry to hear that Norse, I am sure you guy's have worked hard and for it to play out like that sucks!QuoteDon't hold us in suspence, whats your theory
Archery hunting participation has increased dramatically over the last few years either from multiseason tags, media, internet or whatever. There is a ton of new archers hunting that will get the latest technology, stand out in there yard in the summer and shoot 50-75 yards all day long. Technology has made archery relatively easy to learn in a short amount of time. Then comes hunting season these folks get an animal out there-they have made that shot 100 times at the backyard taget and the game totally changes. The animal moves, jumps, jacket gets caught in the string, etc.. There is a ton of inexperience out in the field. I am not saying everyone can't enjoy archery but I think a mandatory bowhunter education wouldn't be a bad idea. I know you can't fix stupid but it has to help.
Post by: 257 Wby Mag on September 28, 2009, 08:38:38 PM
Post by: nw_bowhunter on September 28, 2009, 08:39:49 PM
Post by: JoeVon on September 28, 2009, 08:42:10 PM
Really? A bow hunters test...lol. That is ridiculous. Its not like this is really going to improve the issue of animals being wounded. Do you really think that this is going to improve the number of wounded animals? Guys need to be more responsible, ethical and fricken practice shooting their bows for more than 2 or 3 weeks before the season. Try shooting through out the year and oh by the way actually shoot with their broadheads since field tips do not kill animals. Pus if you notice a majority of the wounded animals are from bowhunters trying to kill elk. Remember its not all about speed as much as it about penetration and shot placement. Buy heavier arrows, practice shooting the broadheads and fricken start taken more time.
I believe with Idaho's bowhunter exam that shooting is a part of the test...
Post by: flashover52 on September 28, 2009, 08:50:55 PM
I've watched two individuals miss an elk with modern rifles at 50 yards in the wide open and less than 30 yards in some brushy area a day apart. How many people take their rifles to "sight in day" at the range two weeks before the season opens...... Folks shooting rifles can't really say it's "just" an archery issue.
Post by: nw_bowhunter on September 28, 2009, 08:53:23 PM
Post by: gasman on September 28, 2009, 08:58:17 PM
I've watched two individuals miss an elk with modern rifles at 50 yards in the wide open and less than 30 yards in some brushy area a day apart. How many people take their rifles to "sight in day" at the range two weeks before the season opens...... Folks shooting rifles can't really say it's "just" an archery issue.
This means nothing.
I sat next to my daughter who had buck fever so bad she missed a buck 3 times with in 80 yards. The barrel awas shaking so bad it was unbelieveable. My wife then droped it with a single shot.
Two days later she droped a doe with a single shot at 350 yards.
Each situation varys from time to time, even with the best hunters.
Post by: norsepeak on September 28, 2009, 08:59:53 PM
We have talked about changing our policies for bowhunters next year to help avoid this terrible issue again. Sorry some of you are upset about hearing these stories, but I'm just being honest....it happens.
Post by: finnman on September 28, 2009, 09:02:20 PM
I know it seems we have been hearing about this alot this year, but it happens every year, with all weapons, yes even rifle! Guys go buy a box of Core-lokts and head for deer camp, havn't shot their rifle since last Oct.
Know yourself first!!! Then know your game!!!! Losing an animal sucks and is the worst feeling.........but you only feel that if you respect them. If you don't give a damn about them then fling away!!!!!!
Post by: 257 Wby Mag on September 28, 2009, 09:03:33 PM
Post by: JoeVon on September 28, 2009, 09:04:45 PM
Post by: 257 Wby Mag on September 28, 2009, 09:06:42 PM
I've watched two individuals miss an elk with modern rifles at 50 yards in the wide open and less than 30 yards in some brushy area a day apart. How many people take their rifles to "sight in day" at the range two weeks before the season opens...... Folks shooting rifles can't really say it's "just" an archery issue.
This means nothing.
I sat next to my daughter who had buck fever so bad she missed a buck 3 times with in 80 yards. The barrel awas shaking so bad it was unbelieveable. My wife then droped it with a single shot.
Two days later she droped a doe with a single shot at 350 yards.
Each situation varys from time to time, even with the best hunters.
You're exactly right! I missed a 22''-24'' 2 point blacktail, with 3'' eyeguards, 4 times at 30 yards with a 300 mag that was stupid accurate. And I've killed a few critters.
Post by: actionshooter on September 28, 2009, 09:18:09 PM
There are a few states that require bowhunter education and I don't think its a bad idea.
Post by: woodswalker on September 28, 2009, 09:27:35 PM
My first thought was the multiseason tags. How many jokers pick up a bow just b/c they now get more time to hunt?
Actually I HAVE a Multi Season tag...but WONT hunt Archery JUST BECAUSE I KNOW I AM NOT GOOD ENOUGH TO HIT RELIABLY...
Now with my T/C Hawken or my Winchester 70 in 30-06...If I see it in range..its DEAD. I do NOT have confidence in what small archery skills I have...I'm still having trouble killing apples and pumpkins at anything like distance. Pie plates are dead out to about 35 yards...but aim small miss small...at least that is the theory...aim at the whole critter..liable to miss it.
Post by: Jason on September 28, 2009, 09:30:57 PM
Post by: nw_bowhunter on September 28, 2009, 09:31:21 PM
What type of policy are you talking about putting in place? Just curious.
Post by: kirkl on September 28, 2009, 09:31:40 PM
Post by: 257 Wby Mag on September 28, 2009, 09:35:02 PM
This is a good discussion, just may get a little heated.
What type of policy are you talking about putting in place? Just curious.
Umm, an apprenticeship program with Boneaddict, killing 3 bucks, a bull, and a coyote with 1 arrow. grin...
Post by: norsepeak on September 28, 2009, 09:35:17 PM
Post by: woodswalker on September 28, 2009, 09:38:55 PM
whoowee actionshooter, now guys with multiseason tags are jokers? guess i was one of them cause i drew a permit and hunted archery. gettin deep in here, boy ive never heard of an expeirenced archer wounding anything "sarcasim".:yeah:
Post by: 257 Wby Mag on September 28, 2009, 09:41:51 PM
This is a good discussion, just may get a little heated.
What type of policy are you talking about putting in place? Just curious.
You might be right? Dummy's will still screw broadheads on en-route to kill a bull, guys will still get excited when a bull comes in all horned up to a bugle, not waiting for the optimum shot. But, maybe, just maybe it'll make a few more guys mindfull of thier actions, a test that is. if thats the case, we've succeeded. IMO
Post by: luvtohnt on September 28, 2009, 09:42:20 PM
were talking about making a 3-D range (approx. 5 animals) that they have to shoot BEFORE they can hunt. Just an idea right now, but we need to do something. Not only is it bad for business, but it just plain sucks to lose an animal and we want to try to avoid it happening again as much as we can.
Great idea, but I know I would rather have to take the test before I paid, or be guaranteed a full refund if i did not pass the test. However the thought of losing a significant refund amount because I did not practice would probably get me out to the range allot more than normal.
Brandon
Post by: flashover52 on September 28, 2009, 09:43:37 PM
I've watched two individuals miss an elk with modern rifles at 50 yards in the wide open and less than 30 yards in some brushy area a day apart. How many people take their rifles to "sight in day" at the range two weeks before the season opens...... Folks shooting rifles can't really say it's "just" an archery issue.
This means nothing.
I sat next to my daughter who had buck fever so bad she missed a buck 3 times with in 80 yards. The barrel awas shaking so bad it was unbelieveable. My wife then droped it with a single shot.
Two days later she droped a doe with a single shot at 350 yards.
Each situation varys from time to time, even with the best hunters.
You're exactly right! I missed a 22''-24'' 2 point blacktail, with 3'' eyeguards, 4 times at 30 yards with a 300 mag that was stupid accurate. And I've killed a few critters.
I think we're on the same page. I've watched other threads where folks have suggested that archery hunters may not always finish the job. My only comments were that it can happen to folks shooting firearms too. Buck/Elk Fever, heart rate is high, etc.. If someone were to propose that archery hunters need to pass a statewide hunter safety exam and show proof of skills, it needs to be applied across the board.
But even then, you can't take the feelings of the moment out of the equation. I think the hunter ed class I took 20 years ago, just made sure you could handle the gun safely and basically hit the paper. Not so much of a test of marksmanship.
I appreciate the story Norsepeak.
I thought I read a couple years back about some outfitter in Colorado that had clients site in their rifles when they arrived. It was also sort of a qualifier to check how accurate of a shot they were out to ?? yards. It gave the guides an assessment of skills and how much work was ahead of them. Sounds a bit like what you folks are thinking.....
Post by: bullchaser on September 28, 2009, 09:43:50 PM
Post by: mtncook on September 28, 2009, 10:28:03 PM
mtncook
Post by: eastside boy on September 28, 2009, 10:34:08 PM
This has been the worst year I can remember for these kind of stories. Not sure the reason but I have a pretty good theory. Makes me sick :bash:
Yeah no kidding!!! It comes down to hunters not practicing enough and not being able to grow a pair of nuts and keeping composure when making the shot on the real thing!!!! >:(
Post by: eastside boy on September 28, 2009, 10:36:42 PM
Post by: hard hunter on September 28, 2009, 11:05:19 PM
Last time I went out in Washington (5+ years ago) I watched 3 "archers" shoot a dozen arrows at a deer in an effort to bring it down. They were shooting 80+ yards when I paced it off later.
I know even experienced loose animals and though we don't like it, it does happen. In my opinion it doesn't happen as much for those who really prepare.
I too am for a bowhunter class like Idaho has
Post by: boneaddict on September 29, 2009, 06:19:12 AM
Post by: DOUBLELUNG on September 29, 2009, 06:34:02 AM
Post by: boneaddict on September 29, 2009, 06:41:31 AM
Post by: h2ofowlr on September 29, 2009, 07:17:11 AM
Post by: Elkpiss on September 29, 2009, 07:23:35 AM
Post by: actionshooter on September 29, 2009, 04:16:54 PM
whoowee actionshooter, now guys with multiseason tags are jokers? guess i was one of them cause i drew a permit and hunted archery. gettin deep in here, boy ive never heard of an expeirenced archer wounding anything "sarcasim".You completely misunderstood the context of the statement. It was directed toward the "jokers" who go out and buy a bow and arrows at wal-mart a couple of weeks before season BECAUSE they drew a multi-season tag. Not toward the guys who hunt with archery, muzzleloaders and modern on a regular basis as many on the board do, myself included. I have had the multi-season tag before and hunted all the seasons, but guess what, I owned a bow (and practiced) BEFORE I drew the tag.
If your in need of boots reading this thread the BS isn't coming from here.
Post by: Wea300mag on September 29, 2009, 05:40:07 PM
Post by: WDFW-SUX on September 29, 2009, 06:03:15 PM
Post by: jstone on September 29, 2009, 06:10:01 PM
Post by: cabin308 on September 29, 2009, 06:36:54 PM
What I want to hear and see on these forums is success stories and ethical pictures of tagged animals and good hunting experiences. We all know that things don't always go the way we would like on a hunting trip, it's bound to happen sooner or later. But IMO if you make a poor shot, don't recover wounded game, stop searching after a couple hours, whatever......then keep the experience to yourself as something to reflect back upon on your own as something to learn from. Don't share it on an open public forum. I would prefer to hear you say that tag soup tastes bad and keep it at that. The antis are always lurking to find anything to shut down hunting, look at their latest push to shut down bear hunting.
If you have an experience about any hunt, let alone one of the coveted tags for elk, deer, sheep, moose, goat, wolf(Idaho-MT), please be discrete and careful what you post. :twocents:
Flame away...
Post by: nw_bowhunter on September 29, 2009, 07:33:18 PM
Post by: Franz on September 29, 2009, 08:03:53 PM
Post by: brianmtsinc on September 29, 2009, 08:25:36 PM
Thank you for your post. I completely agree.
My :twocents:
Now, don't get me wrong, I have been hunting for many years and things can and do happen. As such, I will VERY RARELY pass any judgement about another hunter.
Unfortunately, every time us hunters (archers, muzzle loaders, modern firearm) post something negative about our passion, those people that sit on the fence of weather they approve of hunting or not, lean a little further towards the anti's. I understand the need to vent and share the things that go wrong. But those things need to be shared only between close hunting partners, with a sorrowful tone and a willingness to completely evaluate what went wrong and why.
I appreciate Noreses willingness to share his story with us all. He is a super nice guy and a great guide! (My group has hunted with him and they offer a great service!!!!), but as the thread continued and stories continue to mount, it saddens me to think of not only the lost animals, but the damage we are doing to ourselves.
Just my :twocents:
Post by: 3dvapor on September 29, 2009, 09:00:56 PM
Post by: Thenewguy on October 08, 2009, 09:26:52 PM
were talking about making a 3-D range (approx. 5 animals) that they have to shoot BEFORE they can hunt. Just an idea right now, but we need to do something. Not only is it bad for business, but it just plain sucks to lose an animal and we want to try to avoid it happening again as much as we can.
Great idea, this is really on the hunter and not you guys. Best of luck next year!
Post by: carpsniperg2 on October 08, 2009, 09:42:47 PM
Post by: Skyvalhunter on October 08, 2009, 09:53:16 PM
Wow, this is really sickening. I'm not often for new rules/regs but if we can't police ourselves better than this, an archery proficiency test should be instituted. I'm reading more about lost elk than harvested elk. >:( >:( >:(Yea it's sickening. I talked to one guy that hunted the Clockum and he mentioned that he ran out of arrows in his quiver and a few of the animals had arrows sticking out of them. This is the type of hunter that gives ethical hunters a bad name. I would much rather not get an animal than even attempt that.
Post by: Hornseeker on October 09, 2009, 07:45:11 AM
I dont have time to read the whole thread, so forgive me if I'm hitting on something that was already covered...
But... I will guarantee, more animals..BY FAR are wounded by muzzy and modern hunters every year and even more of a "percentage"... not just more because there are more rifle hunters...
I have seen and heard soooooo many tales of guys taking shots at 400-1000 yards...not seeing a reaction in the animals and NOT EVEN going to look and see if there was blood? Lets not concentrate on the bowhunters, sure we want to improve bowhunting ethics, proficiency and such...but dont make it sound worse than it is...
I am also with Ryan and others though, I've heard about more wounds this year than any previous year....
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Post by: fishm@n on October 09, 2009, 07:51:04 AM
I'm an archer and it is this kind of thing that gives archery a bad name. Is it too many guys getting into archery but not taking it seriously, not putting in the time with their equipment? We all need to know when to NOT take the shot. Respect the animal!
Post by: ribka on October 09, 2009, 08:24:22 AM
Had to put 5 out of 5 shots in the vitals of a 3d deer target at 20 yds in order to receive a permit to hunt.
Now shots in the midwest and east coast are typically at much shorter ranges because most hunting is done from tree stands.
Agree with using heavier arrows. I shoot at least 700 grains and most of my shots are pass thrus. Maybe have minimum arrow weight standards? Would this cut down on guys flinging 350 grain arrows with 80 grain broadheads at animals over 50 yds?
Been said before but think a lot of the blame is do to the hunting shows on tv and guys bragging on those shows about taking animals at super long distances. Seems like people have put too much emphasis on shots and not working on their hunting skills ( moving quietly, scent control, map reading, camo, tracking, reading sign etc.). Meet a lot of guys who think that hunting is just going out in the woods and pulling the trigger on your gun, ml or trigger release. And of course when you do work on your shooting make practice realistic and similar to hunting situations. I practice sitting, kneeling, off hand, snap shooting. Most of the animals I have taken over the years have been at relatively close ranges.
Nothing beats time in the woods. I think spending the off season, hiking, shed hunting, taking photos of animals -at close range-in the woods has really helped my hunting skills.
Post by: coachcw on October 09, 2009, 12:12:52 PM
Post by: cle elum bowhunter on October 09, 2009, 06:24:33 PM
Post by: Ghost Hunter on October 10, 2009, 05:44:32 PM
My first thought was the multiseason tags. How many jokers pick up a bow just b/c they now get more time to hunt?
:yeah:
Exactly the reason I don't try archery with my multi-season tag. Guess I look at it differently. But then I'm betting there is more that don't than do.
Post by: norsepeak on October 10, 2009, 06:08:05 PM
Again sorry for those who don't want to hear about it, but it's a free country and you don't have to read this post.
Post by: Red Dawg on October 10, 2009, 06:22:57 PM
Post by: WAPITIHUNTER on October 10, 2009, 07:25:16 PM
Sorry for you guys who don't want to hear about others "dirty laundry" It's part of hunting and it happens, nobody likes it and nobody wants it to happen but it does. Not talking about things like this that happen doesn't do anybody any good. We can't view the world through rose colored glasses, we need to talk about things and learn from others experiences. For those of you who have never had this happen, congratulations, that is an excellent record to try to keep going, but for those of us who have had it happen it's a horrible part of hunting that we have to live with and try to learn why/how it happend and try to never let it happen again. Is it an equipment issue, inexperience, nerves, excitement or just plain bad luck? The only way to find out is to talk about it so that others can learn and not make the same mistake.
Again sorry for those who don't want to hear about it, but it's a free country and you don't have to read this post.
Extremely well said Norse. We all have to get our hands bloody. No matter how we look at it we are all killers. Killing has never been pretty no matter how we choose to kill. It is still killing. Seems to me that alot of hunters on here have succombed to the Bambi propaganda. Deer and wild animals are feeble defenseless animals that are extremely week and feeble. I disagree. Wild animals are extremely tough and resilient creatures and they can endure alot more than we ever could. That should not be an excuse to be a sloppy hunter but people need to realise that every marginal hit on a animal is not an automatic death sentence. For crying out loud Bambi got shot and lived. :twocents: