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Post by: Gutpile on October 25, 2009, 09:30:24 PM
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Bait is classified as ANY substance placed to attract bears. Trust me lure falls into this catagory.
:yeah:
I got it straight from a gamey. Scent, lures, food, is all baiting. It's illegal. trust me. I've had this arguement 1000 times so I figured I'd ask a gamey face to face. Scent is bait.
Post by: agchawk on October 25, 2009, 11:11:02 PM
Its a lot of waiting unless you just get lucky that day. Or you could be like the family I ran into tonight, pulled into the gas station and there was a nice bear in the back of the truck. I frequent the store so the lady wasn't shy in letting out the trick. I guess its all about feeding them and then stop all of a sudden and a couple days later bring in some smelly goodies early in the morning. God I would love to work undercover for the game dept! Oh and to top it off... they had their young son with them teaching how to ethically hunt !!! A holes
Yea, I sincerely hope you did the RIGHT thing and turned thier happy ass' in immediately. Not saying you did or did not, but I see this way too many times. Folks bitching about unethical hunters, poachers, and law-breakers yet they never do anything about it. Even if you distrust the game department or feel that it's not enough for them to make an arrest...do your part! Make the call and let the authorities do what they need to do. I would much rather see the information passed to them regardless because if they don't know about it then it's a certainty that those freakin' idiots will get away with it...and do it again and again until they finally do get busted.
Post by: Galpster on October 26, 2009, 10:33:01 AM
Thanks again
Post by: Grizzly95 on November 27, 2009, 12:36:01 AM
Post by: Kain on November 27, 2009, 04:43:58 AM
Good thing I stumbled onto this thread, I will admit I was illegal this fall when I was tipped off on a bear location. I put apple scent on a stump to attract the bear, never saw it and thankfully didn't shoot one. It did come in and destroy the stump. I was also trying to get some good pictures of anything on my new homebrew. Never the less, I admit I was in the wrong and will discontinue that. I hope this doesn't piss anyone off. I was following the advice of some old timers in the area, guess I will just follow all you old timers instead. :chuckle:
Many MANY people are confused by this law. It should be clear in the regs and it is not. It would have been so easy for them to put in ONE sentence telling their definition of baiting, but they didnt. Makes me wonder if they do this kind of stuff on purpose.
Post by: Kain on November 27, 2009, 04:45:36 AM
http://apps.leg.wa.gov/RCW/default.aspx?cite=77.15.245
(d) As used in this subsection, "bait" means a substance placed, exposed, deposited, distributed, scattered, or otherwise used for the purpose of attracting black bears to an area where one or more persons hunt or intend to hunt them.
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Dear Mr. Kain,
Thank you for contacting the Wildlife Program with your question on bait. As defined in RCW 77.15.245 bait is defined as “a substance placed, exposed, deposited, distributed, scattered, or otherwise used for the purpose of attracting black bears to an area where one or more persons hunt or intend to hunt them.”
This includes scents, and other popular attractants sold by sporting goods stores.
If you have any further questions, comments, or concerns please feel free to contact the Wildlife Program at (360) 902-2515.
Sincerely,
Mike Day
Customer Service Specialist
Wildlife Program
Post by: Joe_Hunter on November 29, 2009, 11:49:33 PM
Thanks for providing expert opinion on this matter. There are allot f opinions out there but I think we can all agree that the one opinion that matters most is the one that enforces the law.
Great Job :tup:
Post by: Kain on November 30, 2009, 10:59:41 AM
Kain:
Thanks for providing expert opinion on this matter. There are allot f opinions out there but I think we can all agree that the one opinion that matters most is the one that enforces the law.
Great Job :tup:
No problem but I got this info from other guys on here. This topic comes up every couple months and some guys get tired of talking about it. (Not that that stops them) :chuckle: So I decided to keep the info and post it when ever it comes up. We should all write letters to WDFW and make them include the definition in next years regs to eliminate the confusion. What I dont like about this is that if you are out elk hunting and are covered in elk piss and you happen to come across a really nice bear...can you shoot it? Nope.
Post by: ipkus on December 09, 2009, 10:53:17 AM
What I dont like about this is that if you are out elk hunting and are covered in elk piss and you happen to come across a really nice bear...can you shoot it? Nope.
Why? You didn't cover yourself in elk piss 'for the purpose of attracting black bears', so it doesn't apply.
Read the rule.
Post by: STIKNSTRINGBOW on December 09, 2009, 05:36:00 PM
If I use elk cover scent and go bear hunting, and call one in to me, I am not using scent as bait...
If I use scent on a stump and have my tree-stand, blind, whatever... and try to convince a gamey I wasn't using bait, I am breaking the law.
As they will tell you, as they write the citation, "tell it to the judge"
Post by: yakimarcher on December 11, 2009, 11:48:56 AM
Post by: longrange7mm on December 11, 2009, 12:23:41 PM
Post by: Ridgeratt on December 11, 2009, 06:58:25 PM
What I dont like about this is that if you are out elk hunting and are covered in elk piss and you happen to come across a really nice bear...can you shoot it? Nope.
Why? You didn't cover yourself in elk piss 'for the purpose of attracting black bears', so it doesn't apply.
Read the rule.
Ok so my question is that a couple of years ago while early season grouse hunting we stopped and cooked up some breakfast. Bacon (Peppered),Ham,Eggs and spuds. While we were sitting there eating we had a bear show up. Was I baiting or eating and could I have shot him?
Post by: KillBilly on December 11, 2009, 07:01:48 PM
Post by: ipkus on December 12, 2009, 11:00:58 PM
...READ THE RULE!!!
'for the purpose of attracting black bears'
Did you eat breakfast 'for the purpose of attracting black bears'? If the answer is "No, we ate breakfast to...eat breakfast" then pull the trigger, you are legal. If you grilled bacon and ham with the intent of attracting a bear, then that's illegal, don't shoot.
It's not even a gray area deal.
Post by: bobcat on December 12, 2009, 11:22:37 PM
Post by: rupejosh on December 24, 2009, 02:59:54 AM
Post by: STIKNSTRINGBOW on December 24, 2009, 09:09:10 AM
but fixing lunch in camp would be O.K.
AGAIN the law is to cover guys that are obviously baiting, not hunters using cover scent, or someone lucky enough to have a bear wander in to there camp, parking spot, or whatever....
This is not "rocket science"
No matter what you are cooking, if you are doing it in a questionable manner, like burning it in or near your blind. Or in excessive amounts, or with strange combinations etc.
But I suspect most of these questions are just being facetious...