Post by: edmondshunter on December 31, 2007, 02:08:44 PM
Post by: PolarBear on December 31, 2007, 02:40:05 PM
Post by: jackelope on December 31, 2007, 02:46:32 PM
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I hope
I hope too.
Post by: edmondshunter on December 31, 2007, 02:53:42 PM
I'm against baiting, It kills me to think people put out a pile of rotten apples, or corn, then shoot the deer that come in to eat it. Not so keen on feeders either
Post by: spin05 on December 31, 2007, 03:48:31 PM
Post by: Slider on December 31, 2007, 04:15:31 PM
Post by: PolarBear on December 31, 2007, 04:18:21 PM
Post by: Ironhead on December 31, 2007, 04:44:36 PM
Post by: singleshot12 on December 31, 2007, 05:55:09 PM
I can understand helping out some of the deer during the post-rut in areas where their food source is depleted. But to shoot a deer over a bait station and call it hunting is just SO wrong.
Post by: edmondshunter on January 01, 2008, 11:02:35 AM
If you hunt in an area where apples, acorn, berries, locust etc. , grow wild, and you use those resources to your benefit to take an animal. Is that also baiting? I think not
Post by: robodad on January 01, 2008, 06:42:52 PM
If you live in an area that has a high mortality rate due to winter conditions then you should be able to put supplemental feed out for the animals but only after the hunting season is over and must quit before spring is over. other then that the animals will get enough food naturally. .02
Post by: ICEMAN on January 02, 2008, 07:06:40 AM
Post by: addicted on January 02, 2008, 12:33:15 PM
I think that animals that are killed on public hunting grounds in fair chase conditions should be the only entries in the record books, Just like baseball the chances of these critters becoming chemically enhanced on private property is far greater then public land and you know how we feel about chemically enhanced baseball players.
If you live in an area that has a high mortality rate due to winter conditions then you should be able to put supplemental feed out for the animals but only after the hunting season is over and must quit before spring is over. other then that the animals will get enough food naturally. .02
i like that 2cents
Post by: PolarBear on January 03, 2008, 05:41:26 AM
I get tired of guys who brag about monster bucks that they shot on private land, off of a food plot or feeder etc. To me the deer become livestock at that point. I say keep those critters out of the P&Y and B&C books and send them over to S.C.I. where they encourage canned or private land hunts. :rolleyes: I agree with supplementing feed for wildlife but only during harsh periods of winter weather or drought, not as an attractant for hunting.
Post by: singleshot12 on January 03, 2008, 07:22:31 AM
I don't understand how anyone could be very proud about shooting an animal over a foodplot,bait station,high fence etc.
To even associate it with hunting only hurts the future of traditional hunters...from the outside looking in that is.
Post by: ICEMAN on January 03, 2008, 07:26:07 AM
Never been there, but it looks like alot of Texas (or similar) is so brushy, that foodplots/feeders are about the only way to get a few species into the open for a shot....? And in many farming areas, the deer naturally go for the food...are you not going to hunt them near a field?
Post by: singleshot12 on January 03, 2008, 07:37:27 AM
I've hunted mulies in eastern Oregon catching them as they left the alfalfa fields, I wouldn't call it easy, but I'm not sure if I would call it far chase either.
Post by: robodad on January 03, 2008, 09:13:20 AM
Farmers have been planting crops for eons and it is not going to change however, there are folks that plant fields (food plots) strictly for the deer and hunt over them and set up feeders laced with growth hormones to enhance the body and antler structure of the animals and I think this practice should be banned and forgotten as it is not a true fair chase environment.
Allen...
Post by: Colville on January 04, 2008, 04:36:12 PM
I have a chance to hunt MT on private. It's a 100% slam dunk. The only Q is how big. To be honest, I really don't care if I go. If I do it's just because I love eating deer and having a chance to put one in the freezer is appealing. I wouldn't be posting stories on my hunt and my accomplishment no matter the size of the deer though. If I can drive the truck right exactly to the deer, that I spotted from a truck the day before and shot him exactly where he's been every day for the last month I just don't see what's to talk about. But I do love eating deer so a full freezer is also a very good thing.
No one should be able to salt lick or bait public ground, period, and that can't change soon enough. I had assumed it was in fact illegal already.
Post by: WAcoyotehunter on January 04, 2008, 04:42:59 PM
I think that animals that are killed on public hunting grounds in fair chase conditions should be the only entries in the record books, Just like baseball the chances of these critters becoming chemically enhanced on private property is far greater then public land and you know how we feel about chemically enhanced baseball players.In the midwest and East there's practically no public land for hunting opportunities. They hunt around Ag fields because that's what the country looks like everywhere. Go to Iowa and sit on a corn field in December...after a few days come back and tell me about your "slam dunk".
If you live in an area that has a high mortality rate due to winter conditions then you should be able to put supplemental feed out for the animals but only after the hunting season is over and must quit before spring is over. other then that the animals will get enough food naturally. .02
Whats the difference in hunting an ag field where the deer are eating, and hunting a public land repro unit full of browse...where deer are eating. :dunno:
Post by: jackelope on January 04, 2008, 04:45:00 PM
Post by: jackelope on January 04, 2008, 04:52:56 PM
anybody who has experience hunting back east will tell you the same thing. there are no such thing as pack trips, outfitters, drop camps, etc in the eastern states, at least until you get maybe into the far northeast like maine maybe. hunting back there is apples and oranges compared to here. people do things in a different way back there, and it's all ok with them.
we have 60 acres of private land to hunt on back east. it was the greatest thing in the world to us back there. can you picture being confined to 60 acres out here or any other western state??
I am in no way saying baiting is good or justified...just kind of saying different strokes for different folks i guess.
Post by: rougheye on January 04, 2008, 05:04:49 PM
Post by: jackelope on January 04, 2008, 05:09:31 PM
Post by: bobcat on January 04, 2008, 06:13:22 PM
keeps going out just before I finish typing. :bash:
Hopefully my power will stay on long enough for me to finish this time.
I'll make it shorter this time...all I wanted to say is that if I had a small chunk of ground around here (say anywhere from 5 to 40 acres) I sure as heck WOULD have a food plot on it. With food plots deer and other wildlife could/would have good feed all year around and I'd have a place where I could go for a quick evening hunt after work. I see absolutely nothing wrong with food plots. Now actually placing artificial bait to attract deer/elk, I could see where that practice may be questionable...
Post by: billythekidrock on January 04, 2008, 06:25:15 PM
Well, this is the THIRD time I tried to reply to this, but the power
keeps going out just before I finish typing. :bash:
Hopefully my power will stay on long enough for me to finish this time.
Been flickering here and down the block all the way to Trosper is out of power.
Post by: robb92 on January 04, 2008, 06:26:36 PM
I see nothing wrong with using a corn feeder, I have one set up on the land I hunt on, do I sit over it, no I will sit 50 to 100 yards away from it I never hunt over it. When I have my kids with me I will let them sit in my ground blind and let them see if any deer come in, so far none this year have went to the feeder during the day, only tree rats, birds, and possum.
Also the deer don't always go to the feeder, if there are a lot of acorns on the ground then they won't touch the corn. So having a corn feeder doesn't mean that the deer are traind to go to the food. Weather and natrual food supplies play a role in it.
Since the opening of deer season I have seen no deer on the feeder, and the deer that do go to the feeders only go to them at night, this year I have had to fill my feeder only once and it takes a 40 pounds bag, so having a feeder up doesn't mean that your always going to bag a deer.
All the deer I have harvested this year, all three of them have been no where near the feeder, they were in the bottoms walking back on to the WMA.
On a side note the deer I shot Tuesday night thought it a was a doe but turned out to be a buck that had already dropped its rack. Any one else seeing bucks drop their racks yet?? This time last year they still had the head gear.
Post by: bobcat on January 04, 2008, 08:24:39 PM
Been flickering here and down the block all the way to Trosper is out of power.
My wife went to the Chehalis Wal-Mart and power was out there. It's gonna be an interesting weekend. Glad I'm not working in this weather!
Post by: LongTatLaw on January 05, 2008, 12:37:11 PM
Ill be honest, Ive spoken to many many hunters out here that make me wonder what the hell their strategy is for hunting out here.
I consider myself a mediocre hunter but Ive been very successful this year. Why, because I found a area that had deer, elk, and bears coming into it to eat, I tried to hunt it but the animals were getting there after dark so I started moving up the ridge to cut them off until I found an area I could intercept them during shooting hours.
Now, that pretty much how a treestand hunter hunts. Ive met a ton of people here in WA that call me lazy and themselves master hunters. But Ive hunted with some of them and overall...they are pretty much just walking slowly through the woods hoping to see something and if they do and shoot it...well, then they hunted hard for it.
I call that luck without strategy supported by sweat. To me, that doesnt exactly EXEMPLIFY a premiere hunter to me. Now, still hunting with a strategy is different and working areas for a deliberate purpose is different than HOPE hunting.
Maybe Ill start a new thread o this instead of pirating this simple question on baiting.
Back to baiting...lol
Some have said it but Ill say it again...
WE HUNTERS GOTTA STOP DAMN ATTACKING EACH OTHER!!!!
- I dont hunt over a pile of corn or salt licks here in WA, if you wanna...let me know and Ill help ya carry a few
bags.
- I dont still hunt much if Im by myself... if ya wanna put in 30 miles tomorrow...Ill put my good boots on.
- I love hunting bears and coons with hounds... I think its a terrible idea for deer... Ive done it lots of times in GA.
- If one of you likes rubbing honey all over yourself and trying to kill a bear with a hammer when it comes in to an
eletronic predator call... Ill go with you but you gotta go first.
My point, I support hunting and hunters.
Lets all try to do the same.
Post by: edmondshunter on January 05, 2008, 12:44:24 PM
Post by: bobcat on January 05, 2008, 01:01:57 PM
I dont like the idea of hunting fenced land but who am I to say its wrong. Even on fenced land, hunters employ the same tactics that public hunters use.
By fenced land do you mean "high-fenced?" As in, where the animals inside the fence can't get out? Now that I am adamantly against. That is not hunting and the deer are nothing but livestock, in my opinion.
Post by: LongTatLaw on January 05, 2008, 02:00:53 PM
Ill hunt inside those big 500+ acre fences
Post by: WDFW Hates ME!!! on January 05, 2008, 03:08:32 PM
My ethics and morals are different than yours. And by yours i mean whoever is reading this. I know we think different.
We live on near 30 acres. We have like 10 apple trees, 2.5 acres are cleared, the rest is timberland. We have BT deer, and we have a few big bucks. The only thing i have ever pointed at these deer are my bino's. They are like pets. They will not let you touch them, but i can sneek right up to about 15 yards from them. I will nto shoot them, i could hunt them in there environment if i walk back into the woods, but i let them be. I drive to they area i hunt because i would rather hunt than just shoot.
I shoot a deer every couple of years, but i could every year if i needed it that bad.
Hunting to me is more than shooting a deer or filling a tag.
If you want to bait, do it, if not don't. But please do not try to push your ethics or morals on to me.
Post by: LongTatLaw on January 05, 2008, 03:23:33 PM
I wonder, if you get way the hell back in the woods...too deer that dont know man. Do they haul ass for us getting within 500 meters or do they just give us a little room but overall ignore us? Ive been in some areas where the deer dont seem to know people...and arent really afraid...theres no hunting allowed.
Im just wondering if those deer act "more natural" than those that I see in Cap For where they have learned to avoid us...or are the ones Ive seen accustomed to people and thats why they dont haul butt?
I know it sounds like those on hunts property are kinda trained to be used to people.
but what about ...say remote canada? do they naturally fear us as predators or generally just keep a cautious 40 yards??
Post by: boneaddict on January 06, 2008, 09:09:45 AM
Animal behavior.(in remote Canada)..........YOU CAN NOT classify any animal at any given time whether they will be afraid of you or treat you differently. This is in reference to high mountian animals versus those around a farm. I would go into this and expalin why, but I'd rather not. It depends on things as simple as the weather, does the animal feel threatened, how you walk or present yourself, has there been a cougar within a 5 mile radius in the last week, all sorts of factors.
Post by: Idabooner on January 06, 2008, 11:08:03 AM
Animal behavior.(in remote Canada)..........YOU CAN NOT classify any animal at any given time whether they will be afraid of you or treat you differently. This is in reference to high mountian animals versus those around a farm. I would go into this and expalin why, but I'd rather not. It depends on things as simple as the weather, does the animal feel threatened, how you walk or present yourself, has there been a cougar within a 5 mile radius in the last week, all sorts of factors.
And that's a fact, with wild or tame animals.