Post by: bankwalker on November 03, 2009, 10:16:11 PM
Post by: carpsniperg2 on November 03, 2009, 10:18:47 PM
Post by: rasbo on November 04, 2009, 04:21:42 AM
Post by: Whitelightning on November 04, 2009, 06:17:48 AM
Post by: boneaddict on November 04, 2009, 06:19:33 AM
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Post by: bobcat on November 04, 2009, 06:24:36 AM
Post by: GoldTip on November 04, 2009, 06:51:32 AM
Post by: Wacenturion on November 04, 2009, 08:22:21 AM
I understand the whole traditional argument, exposed breech, etc. But a scope inst going to help your muzzy go off in the rain, so why not allow it- i think it would allow for more accurate shots, cleaner kills, and less loss game. For the people that don't like the idea, they can leave there peeps on..... :twocents:
I can certainly understand your point of view.....and for those who disagree, you don't have to be visibly impaired to not see down a unscoped barrel without problems. Just wait till some of you need glasses with bifocals...you cannot see the front and rear together in clarity.
Post by: whacker1 on November 04, 2009, 08:44:58 AM
I target shot with scope on mine to determine which bullet was the most accurate, and then went back to a peep sight for hunting. you definitely can shoot farther with the scope, but I can see myself taking shots outside the capacity of the muzzleloader. Better to go with out the scope
Post by: Whitelightning on November 04, 2009, 08:14:27 PM
The inline was invented in 1812 by Pauley also. Seems kind of primitive too.
Post by: carpsniperg2 on November 04, 2009, 08:21:45 PM
Post by: ribka on November 04, 2009, 08:31:53 PM
Too many states that I have ml/archery hunted in started years ago with primitive weapons' rules
Over the years any states incrementally allowed changes in regs: scopes, closed breech etc.. Soon no difference than single shot modern rifle.
I am in my mid 40's and eye sight is changing still would stick with same primitive rules.
Same with archery season. Used to be no crossbows. Now with the advancement of archery technology and strong lobby by cross bow makers has resulted in many states no allowing crossbows in regular archery season.
A few people want to argue that less loss of game with allowance of more modern technology in archery and ml. Why not just cancel those seasons and mandate modern firearms with 30 cal. or more rifles?
Over the years, based on my opinion, people's lack of basic hunting skills, ( scouting, hiking away from the access areas ( roads) , no tracking skills, stalking skills,) and plain laziness has resulted in the allowance of more modern technology during supposed primitive seasons.
Keep it primitive in WA. ID has the same rules. If you don't agree switch to modern firearms
:twocents:
Post by: bankwalker on November 05, 2009, 04:37:35 PM
its cheaper for my to buy a muzzlerloader with a scope then it is to buy new glasses :chuckle:
yes my eyes are that bad, the cheapest anywhere will make lenses for me is $250. :bash: right now im walking around with super glue on my lenses cause i cant afford new ones :chuckle:
Post by: jstone on November 06, 2009, 09:16:57 AM
Post by: boneaddict on November 06, 2009, 09:21:39 AM
Post by: Whitelightning on November 07, 2009, 01:01:08 PM
A muzzle Loader Inline or Side Lock has Limitations far beyond what a scope will provide :twocents:
Putting Fiber optics on would then give it Semi Super Power :twocents:
Post by: fishcrazy on November 07, 2009, 07:39:32 PM
No scopes!!! Cleaner kills don't hold water. With that logic we might as well allow modern rifle in ML season so we can make cleaner faster kills. just my thoughts :dunno:
On a related note I think they should allow hand guns during ML season. They are probably just as effective as a ML. Short range anyway.
Kris
Post by: Ray on November 07, 2009, 07:56:56 PM
Post by: jstone on November 08, 2009, 03:09:58 PM
Post by: Whitelightning on November 08, 2009, 03:52:25 PM
Putting on a scope might give someone the idea they could shoot farther just because they could see better at longer ranges with the scope.
If this is true, shooting a Jacketed bullet with or with out a sabot, rather than a Lead Conical or ball would instill the same misconception, wouldn't it :dunno:
Post by: h2ofowlr on November 12, 2009, 09:54:52 PM
Post by: crittergitter on November 18, 2009, 12:48:09 PM
Post by: skynimrod on November 20, 2009, 12:32:48 PM
Post by: Whitelightning on November 20, 2009, 06:12:47 PM
I moved to muzzle from modern for a couple of reasons 1.) get away from the throngs of people that take shots out of their skill level 2.) My longest shot during modern was only 75 yards, Ive done archery with great success, so why not try muzzie. If a person has dedication and hunting skills as noted by Ribka you shouldnt have to take those long shots that require optics....just my 2 cents..
I agree as all but one of my shots have been under fifty yards.
I do not understand the thinking of the inline being labeled as this 21st century NEW theory. The inline has NO advantage over any SIDELOCK using a musket or #11 cap NONE.
If we are to keep this as a TRADITIONAL season than we should all use Smooth Bore Flint locks, as they are truly the Traditional rifle.
Post by: Bofire on November 20, 2009, 06:24:14 PM
They are not primitive, traditional or old. A cross bow is more primitive than a compound bow. I do not do either but I think your argument is illogical.
Carl
Post by: M_59 on November 20, 2009, 07:17:15 PM
Post by: Ghost Hunter on November 21, 2009, 10:30:00 AM