Post by: boneaddict on November 07, 2009, 06:16:10 AM
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I wonder if our 190 buck made it...... all he has to do is survive Poachers, coyotes, cougar, wolves, sickness, the weather, and general season from Sept 1st to the end of October and then all the permit guys. LOL
I probably should have added roadkill.
Post by: jjhunter on November 07, 2009, 07:42:12 AM
The biggest deer that I have seen in ID, MT, and CO (all 185" plus kind of deer) lived in places that would make it literally impossible to go in after and kill. Even during the rut, these deer left the does at first light. I think more big deer regress and die of old age than get shot. The poaching variable is one that would be hard to measure? We will probably never know the impact it has. Even around our ranch, I know animals get poached. I don't know how many times I have come around the corner and seen someone with a rifle on a big buck in December or January. "We were just looking" Yeah, ok.
Post by: huntnphool on November 07, 2009, 09:23:46 AM
Post by: mazama on November 07, 2009, 11:32:52 AM
Post by: sako223 on November 07, 2009, 01:02:13 PM
I support reassessing the seasons. I personally don't like the 3 pt minimum restriction. Seems like we had more bucks before the restriction.
There are big bucks around some accessible by helicopter, some by car, a few right near houses.
The largest muley we have ever seen was crossing the road at night. His nose was about two inches above the road. Second one would have to rappel in with rope or winch into the rocks. These must be part goat. third one we watched it bed down at light after season. Easy access flat ground. 20 minutes later 6 mexican hunters passed this buck within feet. I am sure the bucks blood pressure maxed but he never moved.
Of all the variables, the worst to me is to see developed permit areas lose large animals to unregulated hunting groups.
Post by: huntnphool on November 07, 2009, 01:09:55 PM
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Even though we have less hunters now, there are maybe to long of seasons around the state.
Are you kidding me? 8 days for general mule deer is too long? :bs:
Post by: elkaholic_74 on November 07, 2009, 01:50:39 PM
no kiddingQuoteEven though we have less hunters now, there are maybe to long of seasons around the state.
Are you kidding me? 8 days for general mule deer is too long? :bs:
Post by: sako223 on November 07, 2009, 01:53:42 PM
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Are you kidding me? 8 days for general mule deer is too long?
Where did I say that?
Deer seasons start on or about Sep 1 and go through on or about Jan 30.
Post by: fishunt247 on November 07, 2009, 01:57:24 PM
Post by: mossback91 on November 07, 2009, 02:02:16 PM
I was shooting a pm to a friend and it dawned on me to post the comment. Basically what it takes in this state, or any state for that matter, but particularly this one with the type of hunting pressure we put on them.QuoteI wonder if our 190 buck made it...... all he has to do is survive Poachers, coyotes, cougar, wolves, sickness, the weather, and general season from Sept 1st to the end of October and then all the permit guys. LOL
I probably should have added roadkill.
Pics?? :drool:
Post by: sako223 on November 07, 2009, 02:21:42 PM
With the announcement of shorter rifle seasons we bitch to friends and fellow hunters.
Talk about Wolves and we attend meetings.
Bow hunters have banded together and achieved longer seasons and bigger voices with the WDFW. They have accommodated those organizations pressures.
I was told this by the WDFW.
Post by: Swiftkid on November 07, 2009, 02:42:41 PM
6 mexican hunters passed this buck within feet.
thanks for letting us know they were mexican, wtf is up with that?
Post by: sako223 on November 07, 2009, 03:41:49 PM
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6 mexican hunters passed this buck within feet.
thanks for letting us know they were mexican, wtf is up with that?
Am I supposed to say Mexican American hunters? The term Mexican is widely used.
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30.7 million Americans listed their ancestry as Mexican as of 2006.
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The United States, six of whose states historically were part of Mexico, is home to the second largest Mexican community in the world.[3]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mexican_American
Post by: fishunt247 on November 07, 2009, 03:46:28 PM
Post by: Galpster on November 07, 2009, 04:20:35 PM
Lighten up with your racist accusations!!
Post by: huntnphool on November 07, 2009, 04:31:39 PM
The problem with short rifle season is rifle hunters.
Really, please do expalin because I don't believe any rifle hunter is responsible for the season being shortened to 8 days.
Post by: DOUBLELUNG on November 07, 2009, 04:43:20 PM
I was shooting a pm to a friend and it dawned on me to post the comment. Basically what it takes in this state, or any state for that matter, but particularly this one with the type of hunting pressure we put on them.QuoteI wonder if our 190 buck made it...... all he has to do is survive Poachers, coyotes, cougar, wolves, sickness, the weather, and general season from Sept 1st to the end of October and then all the permit guys. LOL
I probably should have added roadkill.
Not to mention starving on the uphill side of the deerproof fence; shot for having the audacity to eat flowers or landscaping, by the transplanted homeowner living on the winter range; or being stressed to death by cross country skiers, snowmobiles, stray dogs, and photographers with no clue about wildlife and a point and shoot camera with mediocre zoom capabilities. Not to mention that these effects don't occur in isolation, but are cumulative and compounding.
Like it or not, us 2-legged hairless apes are the root of most of the problems.
Post by: Swiftkid on November 07, 2009, 04:48:42 PM
I think he is just saying that if they were white hunters, would you have said "6 white hunters passed within feet of this buck?" Probably not. I walked within 20 yards of a buck that I ended up missing this year, didn't know it until this guy came over and told me I was right above it before. He didn't point out that I was white though.
thats exactly what i meant, just funny how you would say 6 mexican hunters instead of 6 hunters. Just seems like your trying to imply something more since they were mexican and walking by a buck. My point exactly would you say "6 white" "6 black" or even "3 mexican hunters and 3 black" hunters?
Post by: roadhuntking on November 07, 2009, 05:06:34 PM
Post by: Grizzly95 on November 07, 2009, 05:20:14 PM
Game laws, depredation, and a racial point of view.
:dunno:
Post by: huntnphool on November 07, 2009, 05:33:05 PM
Post by: Grizzly95 on November 07, 2009, 05:41:58 PM
Post by: sako223 on November 07, 2009, 06:37:09 PM
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Really, please do expalin because I don't believe any rifle hunter is responsible for the season being shortened to 8 days.
Yeah please stay on topic.
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I was shooting a pm to a friend and it dawned on me to post the comment. Basically what it takes in this state, or any state for that matter, but particularly this one with the type of hunting pressure we put on them.
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I wonder if our 190 buck made it...... all he has to do is survive Poachers, coyotes, cougar, wolves, sickness, the weather, and general season from Sept 1st to the end of October and then all the permit guys. LOL
I probably should have added roadkill.
What it takes, Hunting pressure, Hunting Seasons, Length of Seasons, Hunters are all on subject.
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Are you kidding me? 8 days for general mule deer is too long?
huntinphool implied that I stated this. I stated Seasons.
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I count 3 directions this thread has run now.
Game laws, depredation, and a racial point of view.
Why is it racial? I was describing the scene pictured in my mind. Rather than make it to long I shortened it.
The whole story was that my wife and I wanted to get some pics of some animals after the general season. We dressed for the bitter cold and went out way before light. We hear a lone animal approaching in the rocks. As it lightened we saw this monster buck bed down. Not light enough for the camera. We were freezing and wanted to get back to the truck but heard noise so stayed put. Here come the six Mexican hunters chattering away and laughing, no coats, no orange, with rifles and shotguns. I told my wife, man those guys are tougher than we are. Although wondering about the rifles and shotguns with no orange we left. For those that want it to be racial so be it. It wasn't and isn't to me.
Post by: boneaddict on November 07, 2009, 06:53:58 PM
A recessed buck, A REAL ONE is about as rare in Washington as it gets.
I do frown on hunting from Sept 1 to New Years, but I don't think modern can be shortened any more
Post by: jstamp on November 07, 2009, 07:00:12 PM
Post by: huntnphool on November 07, 2009, 07:03:12 PM
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huntinphool implied that I stated this. I stated Seasons.
Thats right, because 8 days is the season!!!!
Post by: sako223 on November 07, 2009, 07:06:53 PM
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there are maybe to long of seasons around the state
Again I stated SEASONS!!! Deer Seasons go from Sep 1 to Jan 30
Post by: PolarBear on November 07, 2009, 07:08:39 PM
Post by: huntnphool on November 07, 2009, 07:09:39 PM
Again I stated SEASONS!!! Deer Seasons go from Sep 1 to Jan 30
Then perhaps you should be a little more specific when talking about shortening seasons, its comments like that that end up in the F&G questionare when they are looking for input.
Post by: sako223 on November 07, 2009, 07:52:11 PM
I highly doubt WDFW is putting this in a Questionaire, unless you Input it.
Post by: sako223 on November 07, 2009, 08:04:42 PM
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after reading this thread and all the talk about racist comments, i'm going to start putting the race of any hunter i post about, white, black, brown, yellow, or green, just so people don't think i'm racist when i do actually say something about another race of hunters. :
I wonder how you describe Indians hunting or Tribal hunting without mentioning their race. I could be wrong but I don't recall you ringing in calling people racists on threads about Indian hunting. Describing race happens everyday. We had some Norwegians visit here recently. Dare I say that.
If you see a reportable situation are you going to skip the race even if you know it.
There are multiple situations where we describe people by race or color or
disability.
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What if they were gay, disabled, midget mexicans?
So are you discriminating against me? I am disabled and get referred to regularly by hunters, doctors, judges, officers, friends, at church, and strangers. It is a description.
Post by: WARHORSE on November 07, 2009, 08:20:34 PM
What if they were gay, disabled, midget mexicans?then they had gov issued tags!
Post by: huntnphool on November 07, 2009, 08:24:30 PM
So are you discriminating against me? I am disabled and get referred to regularly by hunters, doctors, judges, officers, friends, at church, and strangers. It is a description.
Well you're a retard too but it doesn't mean we have to say that every time we refer to you. ;)
Post by: Grizzly95 on November 07, 2009, 08:26:29 PM
Post by: 7mag. on November 07, 2009, 08:46:04 PM
Now that I have completely jacked this thread, I think that this state has far too many hunters, for the size of the hunting area's and the game population. I also think that if certain groups are continually granted over consumption of our game, then it is just a matter of time before most area's will be permit only, with very little trophy opportunities.
Post by: sako223 on November 07, 2009, 09:33:24 PM
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Well you're a retard too but it doesn't mean we have to say that every time we refer to you. Wink
huntinphool you have been dogging me, changing my post, and putting words in my mouth. If you think my disability is joke so be it. I certainly don't.
You have helped steer this thread into into accusations and problems. If you don't like my opinion just say so. You don't have to agree.
I meant to apologize to boneaddict, I thought I was contributing but ended up handling other things in your thread.
Post by: fishunt247 on November 07, 2009, 10:33:55 PM
Post by: Swiftkid on November 07, 2009, 10:49:41 PM
Now tat I have completely jacked this thread, I think that this state has far too many hunters, for the size of the hunting area's and the game population. I also think that if certain groups are continually granted over consumption of our game, then it is just a matter of time before most area's will be permit only, with very little trophy opportunities.
Maybe you should become the president of the united states since you think you know everything? You must have graduated with a masters degree from harvard, sounds like you've done alot of research.
Post by: DOUBLELUNG on November 07, 2009, 11:33:27 PM