Post by: Hornseeker on November 17, 2009, 08:00:52 AM
Primarily...I'm sure they will be after deer and antelope, but there is certainly possibilities of elk in their future...or even bear...
I've been hunting since ever and have shot everything and know ballistics just fine...but am still curious what all your opinions are. My buddies daughter has killed 4 does this year, she is 13 and is shooting a little 7mm-08... He swears by it. My first thoughts were a 243... and I know it works fine on elk in the hands of a competent hunter...but I really like the idea of a little more bullet weight...
Anymore ideas? I want something with as little kick as possible. I am also wondering what "rifle" to get... who is making little featherweights or youth models??
THanks all!
Ernie
Post by: Gobble on November 17, 2009, 08:04:32 AM
Post by: KillBilly on November 17, 2009, 08:06:00 AM
Post by: jackelope on November 17, 2009, 08:06:17 AM
Post by: HUNT on November 17, 2009, 08:08:43 AM
Post by: burrheadcountry on November 17, 2009, 08:12:25 AM
The 243 should be fine. You can buy "reduced recoil ammo" that will cut the recoil down to nothing. I would highly recommend that.
I would have to agree with Gobble on the 243. They are a very lite and accurate gun.
Post by: JackOfAllTrades on November 17, 2009, 08:16:23 AM
-Steve
Post by: jackelope on November 17, 2009, 08:17:22 AM
couple pics of the handi rifle in that thread.
p.s. that deer was shot and died directly where it stood with the 243.
Post by: PolarBear on November 17, 2009, 08:17:57 AM
The 243 should be fine. You can buy "reduced recoil ammo" that will cut the recoil down to nothing. I would highly recommend that.:yeah:
Or a .375 H&H Youth model.
Post by: M.Tumlinson on November 17, 2009, 08:23:43 AM
Post by: Hornseeker on November 17, 2009, 08:27:45 AM
A lightweight gun that they can carry for a while will certainly be important.....
I know for a fact the 308 would be intimidating....
What about the other "short mags'?? Like that 25 winchester?? or what about a 25-06? How do they kick??
Thanks all...keep the info coming!!!
Post by: Holg3107 on November 17, 2009, 08:34:32 AM
Post by: Gamblin Guy on November 17, 2009, 08:48:31 AM
Neighbor started his kid with a Weatherby Vanguard in 7mm-08, his son is on the smallish side and that thing kicks like a mule. Kid doesn't like to shoot it at all. Joe's was selling them for a pretty reasonable price with two stocks (youth and fullsize) and a scope.
Post by: C-Money on November 17, 2009, 08:52:47 AM
Post by: Holg3107 on November 17, 2009, 08:53:20 AM
Post by: Grizzly95 on November 17, 2009, 10:06:41 AM
Post by: Buckmark on November 17, 2009, 10:20:35 AM
Here's mine: Browning A-bolt micro, in .243 or 7mm-08 would be my only choice..
Post by: Grizzly95 on November 17, 2009, 10:28:55 AM
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Opinions are like belly buttons, everyone has one
Not the way I heard it, are you keepin it PG rated? :chuckle:
Post by: Buckmark on November 17, 2009, 10:33:58 AM
Well yeah, this is a familly show and the post was for a 12yo.. :rolleyes:QuoteOpinions are like belly buttons, everyone has one
Not the way I heard it, are you keepin it PG rated? :chuckle:
Post by: Grizzly95 on November 17, 2009, 10:50:59 AM
Post by: gottatree on November 17, 2009, 10:57:04 AM
Post by: DOUBLELUNG on November 17, 2009, 11:21:19 AM
Remington model 7, or Rugers youth rifle. Cal? .234, 257 roberts, .260, 7mm-08 would be where I would be looking for kids. Any of these cal's would be great for adults!
All great choices, I'll add 6.5x55 Swedish and 7x57 Mauser as two more sweet shooting, light recoiling, effective big game rounds. My vote would go to the Ruger, I used an M77 in 7x57 on an antelope hunt once, and was just floored by the negligible recoil and very acceptable terminal performance; I shot 3 antelope between 200-300 yards, and they were all DRT.
Post by: GoldTip on November 17, 2009, 11:29:10 AM
Post by: runamuk on November 17, 2009, 11:31:42 AM
Post by: rasbo on November 17, 2009, 11:39:57 AM
Post by: Black Plague on November 17, 2009, 11:55:03 AM
Post by: Buckmark on November 17, 2009, 12:02:43 PM
If i had to do the youth rifle thing again from scratch i would buy a 7mm-08 regular length stock rifle that replacment stocks can be easily be obtained.
Cut the stock down to the youth length of pull i want and install a nice pad from like limb saver etc.
Then i would have a youth gun that would grow into a full size gun when needed..
Post by: groundhog on November 17, 2009, 12:05:42 PM
Post by: addicted on November 17, 2009, 12:11:56 PM
Post by: Hornseeker on November 17, 2009, 07:20:35 PM
I love that Browning Micro..but for $800 I dont think that is going to happen..
Reduced recoil ammo....hmmm.... I've not read anything about it...tell me more? Can I load it myself? Is it simply a load with less powder or is something else going on there??? I have a super straight shooting 06' that I could cut the stock down on... load up some 150 grainers for it... hmmmm....
I still really like the 243 avenue..and like mentioned above...I'd also have me a new gun and something real light and handy to run around with!!
Thanks all!
ERnie
Post by: carpsniperg2 on November 17, 2009, 07:30:13 PM
Post by: jdb on November 17, 2009, 07:38:02 PM
Post by: Curly on November 17, 2009, 08:03:39 PM
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Having been through this before one opinion i have is i dont care for the 20 inch barrels on youth guns, i prefer 22 inch, alittle less muzzle blast and muzzle jump, also a bit more burn time for the powder .
If i had to do the youth rifle thing again from scratch i would buy a 7mm-08 regular length stock rifle that replacment stocks can be easily be obtained.
Cut the stock down to the youth length of pull i want and install a nice pad from like limb saver etc.
Then i would have a youth gun that would grow into a full size gun when needed..
If you reload your options really open up IMO. If you don't reload, I think .308 Win and buy the factory reduced recoil ammo or 243. If you reload, get a .260 or 7mm-08. Then you can download them for when they are small.....and crank up the velocity as they get older.
Here is one link to reduced loads: http://www.hodgdon.com/PDF/Youth%20Loads.pdf
Another tip: try using barnes Triple shock or similar bullet. That way you can drop down in bullet weight and still have enough bullet to get the job done.
Post by: WildfireArcher on November 17, 2009, 10:27:06 PM
-Wildfire
Post by: wrangler on November 17, 2009, 10:30:51 PM
Post by: LongTatLaw on November 17, 2009, 10:38:18 PM
its probably the same model as the link Jackelope posted...
we havent shot it yet but its now my wife's deer gun! Im thinking I could get my 2 year old shooting it in a year or so...he already shoot a 22 with dads help!
I got a brand new savage 111 in 270 from the classifieds like 2 months ago...Im not sure what model it is but its very short for a non-youth and the factory recoil pad is BETTER than any after market Ive ever seen
my wife is recoil shy and it doesnt bother her at all... she would not shoot a normal 308!
Post by: ICEMAN on November 18, 2009, 04:19:00 AM
Last year I bought two youth model .243 rifles for my kids ages 11 and 13 years. The guns are tack drivers and my son dropped his first deer with his this fall. Savage model 10 and model 11.
I would suggest a youth model in .243. The guns I bought have a removable piece of the stock so they may be lengthend as the child grows. You may also convert the entire stock later to a full size if they wish to keep the rifle.
I also appreciate the tang safety, as the kids (and myself) can easily observe that position of the safety from most any angle, and the tang safety matches the location on their shotguns...
Post by: PA BEN on November 18, 2009, 06:45:47 AM
Here's a post with some pictures I posted.
http://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php/topic,37548.15.html
Post by: PA BEN on November 18, 2009, 07:15:00 AM
(https://hunting-washington.com/smf/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi154.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fs276%2FPABEN07%2FMAP0001.jpg&hash=a2c125e1b8ed2dca5c04842756da14f253f900f6)
The next year age 10, 243, 150 yd shot
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7mm-08, this daughter was 13, 50 yd shot from a ground blind
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Oldest daughter at age 17, 243 head shot 50 yd from a ground blind
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This daughter at age 15 took this buck at a fast walk after a doe. 225 yds, 243
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Post by: MtnMuley on November 18, 2009, 07:54:25 AM
Post by: Hornseeker on November 18, 2009, 09:49:49 AM
I am a reloader and very particular about bullets. I shoot Barnes TSX's and I think the 243 with the barnes bullets will be a killer for sure and have little to no recoil....
I am going to cabelas to pick up a meat grinder (check out MT Meat Procurement in the elk section) and I'll look at a bunch of guns!!!
Thanks again,
Ernie
Post by: Hornseeker on November 18, 2009, 12:01:53 PM
The cabelas guys just told me the REm Mod 7 is custom shop now???
Post by: Buckmark on November 18, 2009, 12:17:39 PM
Just looked at a few of them! That Browning is by far the nicest youth model...but the Weatherby Vanguard Youth is also a dandy...and is about $200 cheaper....Yeah that Browing sure looks good doesn't it. ;), But being a dad who bought his kids Brownings you will tear up when you hear (whack) and the stock gets a ding.. My oldest took great care with his, my middle boy could ruin a titanium stock and my youngest liked archery better.
The cabelas guys just told me the REm Mod 7 is custom shop now???
Whatever decision you make work, you already have made the best decision by including them in the passion for the great outdoors.
Post by: NWHydroprint on November 18, 2009, 02:11:18 PM
Post by: HUNT on November 18, 2009, 04:08:57 PM
Just looked at a few of them! That Browning is by far the nicest youth model...but the Weatherby Vanguard Youth is also a dandy...and is about $200 cheaper....
The cabelas guys just told me the REm Mod 7 is custom shop now???
Check out gunbroker.com
They always have some of the Remington Model 7's in 243
If your not in a hurry, you'll get what you want.
Post by: PA BEN on November 18, 2009, 05:42:32 PM
Post by: Hornseeker on November 19, 2009, 08:06:39 AM
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Post by: sirsnap on November 19, 2009, 08:10:59 AM
http://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php/topic,36951.0.html
:twocents:
Post by: Curly on November 19, 2009, 08:15:12 AM
Dont you have to have an FFL or something to buy from Gunbroker.com???
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No. But if you have the rifle shipped to you from out of state you'll need to have it sent to somone with an FFL and they will have to fill out some paperwork and will charge you somewhere around $25.
Post by: HUNT on November 19, 2009, 08:18:13 AM
Its really pretty painless.
Post by: Hornseeker on November 19, 2009, 10:32:13 AM
Post by: Buckmark on November 19, 2009, 10:35:51 AM
Sweet... I didn't realize that.... Now I have a new hobby....looking for guns on Gunbroker.com!!! :chuckle:It's not a hobby, it's an addiction
Post by: jackelope on November 19, 2009, 10:37:15 AM
Post by: Caseyd on November 19, 2009, 10:40:45 AM
Post by: Buckmark on November 19, 2009, 10:43:14 AM
Someone should start a post with a list of whats out there for sites that you can buy/sell firearms and like items..
Post by: Curly on November 19, 2009, 10:54:21 AM
http://www.auctionarms.com/search/displayitem.cfm?itemnum=9445350&oh=216543
Post by: runningboard on November 19, 2009, 11:20:15 AM
Post by: addicted on November 20, 2009, 11:21:24 AM
338 Remington Ultra Mag or 30-378 Weatherby!
those are totally wrong for a 12 year old girl...... now a 500 nitro express...... thats a gun for a 12 year old girl. i would say 577TRex but i'm sure you already have one, everyone does these days. lol
Post by: croix on November 20, 2009, 11:35:21 AM
My vote is for 7mm-08 I bought the weatherby vanguard compact for my 10 year old daughter this year. It is one sweet shooting little gun. She handles it well and can shoot elk next year. The deer she shot this year didn't take a step.
http://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php/topic,36951.0.html
:twocents:
This is still one of my favorite stories/posts sirsnap.
BTW - 7mm-08 is a good choice IMO. My buddies mom has carried one for years and taken some good animals. Either that or the 338 RUM that was suggested :chuckle:
Post by: HardCorpsHuntr on November 20, 2009, 11:40:00 AM
Post by: coachcw on November 26, 2009, 07:37:14 PM
Post by: Gutpile on November 26, 2009, 07:48:52 PM
They were both accuately shooting this rifle at age 10. One drawback with shorty rifles is that they are loud. Sometimes the kids don't like that more than the recoil itself.
Alyssa age 12 2006 25 yards
(https://hunting-washington.com/smf/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.hunt101.com%2Fdata%2F504%2Fmedium%2F31025PA170298.jpg&hash=085683b32c8395fa43dcdc5573d2c1e5473d4207)
Emilie age 11 2008 168yards
(https://hunting-washington.com/cpg/albums/userpics/11250/Em___Deer.JPG)
Emilie age 12 2009 135 yards
(https://hunting-washington.com/cpg/albums/userpics/11250/emdeer09.jpg)
Post by: runningboard on November 26, 2009, 08:52:22 PM
Post by: huntnphool on November 26, 2009, 09:18:06 PM
Post by: 87Ford on November 26, 2009, 09:31:27 PM
Ruger UL in .257 Bob. Sweet little rifle.
Post by: Jamieb on November 27, 2009, 03:36:11 AM
Post by: Gutpile on November 27, 2009, 06:05:37 AM
hey gutpile, if they/you like that 77 mk-II Ruger, they make the Hawkeye in 257 bob. would make a great cartridge/gun combo for your girls
I've thought a lot about it, but my oldest doesn't hunt anymore and unless the youngest stays with it I wouldn't buy her a rifle. I've got plenty of other toys she can use in the mean time. .257 Bob for me is more like it. LOL
Post by: Jethro on November 28, 2009, 08:00:47 PM
Post by: Jamieb on November 29, 2009, 09:27:02 AM
http://www.24hourcampfire.com/ubbthreads/ubbthreads.php/ubb/showflat/Number/3521418/gonew/1/FS_Remington_700_7mm_08_Mounta#UNREAD
Post by: Hornseeker on November 29, 2009, 01:55:08 PM
If I was to go with something like a 308, I'd just use the 30 oughts I already have. I am trying to determine how reduced loads will work in my 06's ...
Post by: jdb on November 29, 2009, 03:16:23 PM
dont bother with a 243 they suck,the pile of dead deer we have at our house might argue with you.
Post by: PA BEN on November 29, 2009, 05:00:19 PM
dont bother with a 243 they suck, go with a rem model seven youth in 260 or 308 you wont regret it .So why do they suck?
Post by: Red Dawg on November 29, 2009, 05:21:46 PM
Post by: ICEMAN on November 29, 2009, 05:38:13 PM
They suck? I don't think so....
Post by: WildfireArcher on November 29, 2009, 06:38:58 PM
-Wildfire
Post by: Hornseeker on November 30, 2009, 05:29:33 AM
Guy I know over here killed a 340 bull with a 243 a couple years ago!
Post by: bearpaw on November 30, 2009, 06:01:20 AM
The same gun has killed a few bear but I have to admit, it is less than ideal for bear. I have seen too many wounded bear get away from 6mm's and 243's, just not enough energy to be as effective as bigger calibers. If you might have your kids hunting elk and bear with the same weapon someday, it might be wise to get the same model of weapon in 7mm/08 or 308. The recoil on those calibers is not bad either. :twocents:
There might be some other models on the market that are as small as the model 7, but I am not aware of them. Good Luck....
Post by: Hornseeker on November 30, 2009, 09:53:18 AM
Denny, I've seen a few bears shot with the 243 and wasn't real impressed either, but I shot a boat load with the 30-30 and always knocked them down... however, with the pups around I always took head shots too... ;)
Post by: halflife65 on November 30, 2009, 06:27:42 PM
When you pick something out, buy something with a stock you don't care about and cut it off or buy a cheap aftermarket stock and make it shorter (you can put the original back on when they get a little bigger). That's pretty helpful, too.
When I turned 10 my dad handed me a .270 Winchester Model 70 Featherweight and it kicked the living sh*t out of me...
Post by: dbllunger on November 30, 2009, 06:31:28 PM
Post by: Hornseeker on December 01, 2009, 07:38:05 AM
Thanks all...I've got a lot of good info to build off of...
Post by: woodswalker on December 01, 2009, 07:43:02 AM
Tt worked for me when I didnt have much money. AND I have a neat cast bullet gun for me with the long stock.
Post by: Hornseeker on December 02, 2009, 10:36:04 AM
1st was the Rem M7... WOW...what a great little gun, light...finished beautifully... felt great... but its a $700 gun... Dang.
Then...the new Marlin... this gun had a good trigger and was $299!! It was lightweight and I wouldn't feel a bit bad about cutting the stock off an inch or 2...
They also had a little Tikka and a Sako...both were Very nice. The Tikka was only $480 or so, but the dang Sako was like $900.... but a great feeling gun...
Takin my time....
Post by: bearpaw on December 02, 2009, 12:00:54 PM
Put a classified ad on here for a youth gun. :twocents: