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Equipment & Gear => Archery Gear => Topic started by: COUG on November 19, 2009, 12:28:57 PM

Title: Lumenok
Post by: COUG on November 19, 2009, 12:28:57 PM: So is the lumenok illegal in Wa when hunting? In looking at it, it seems like it is power by inertia not an "electronic" energy source.

Anyone have an answer on this one?
Title: Re: Lumenok
Post by: PolarBear on November 19, 2009, 12:32:40 PM: My understanding is that they are illegal. They contain a tiny battery that is switched on by inertia.
Title: Re: Lumenok
Post by: Gobble on November 19, 2009, 12:40:19 PM: They are illegal in this state from what I know. Why I have no idea why? They don't give you a special ability to shoot better just a better idea where you might have hit (or not) hit an animal. This has been beat to death somewhere on here before.
Title: Re: Lumenok
Post by: COUG on November 19, 2009, 12:46:42 PM: Thanks guys, I searched "lumenok" and didnt get anything.
Title: Re: Lumenok
Post by: CoryTDF on November 19, 2009, 12:47:23 PM: It's complete BS that they are illegal. It's a technicality in the wording of the regs. It talks about electronics on your bow or arrow that aid in the harvesting of game. Lumenok only helps with the recovery of game. If anything it may help less animals being killed because hunters will be more aware of where their shot hit and give a poor shot animal more time to die. This would help cut down on lost animals. They in no way aid in the actual hunting and harvesting of game. It should have been changed long ago.
Title: Re: Lumenok
Post by: WhiskyRiver on November 19, 2009, 03:21:41 PM: Quote from: CoryTDF on November 19, 2009, 12:47:23 PM
It's complete BS that they are illegal. It's a technicality in the wording of the regs. It talks about electronics on your bow or arrow that aid in the harvesting of game. Lumenok only helps with the recovery of game. If anything it may help less animals being killed because hunters will be more aware of where their shot hit and give a poor shot animal more time to die. This would help cut down on lost animals. They in no way aid in the actual hunting and harvesting of game. It should have been changed long ago.
:bs: That's ridiculous!! I had no idea they fell under the "illegal" category...hopefully someone who writes the regs pulls their head out of their you-know-what and changes the regs. I see nothing but benefit in using a Lumenok for not only recovery of the animal but recovery of the arrow itself! Who wants to loose an arrow in the woods?!? and worse yet, who wants to be the unlucky fellow or critter who mistakenly steps/sits/kneels on one?
Title: Re: Lumenok
Post by: lokidog on November 20, 2009, 12:36:59 PM: It's the same thing with a video camera mounted on your bow. Both of these items simply help in the recovery of a hit animal not in getting the shot in the first place. There should be a line item exception in the regs for these two items, we're not talking about lighted pins, lasers or rangefinders mounted to the bow.

I would get luminoks in the blink of an eye if they were legal here.

Maybe we should start a petition to turn in to WDFW, like that would make a difference..... Oh wait, suggest a $10 luminok liscense fee, they might go for that! :bash:
Title: Re: Lumenok
Post by: Grizzly95 on November 20, 2009, 12:44:27 PM: What would be the exact email to send it to in the wdfw?
Title: Re: Lumenok
Post by: CoryTDF on November 20, 2009, 12:55:36 PM: I use them in 3-d tournaments. They are really cool. Wish i could hunt with them.
Title: Re: Lumenok
Post by: 300MAGNUM on November 20, 2009, 12:59:58 PM: I heard that they were illegal also. I have tried Lumenoks in Michigan, but switched to Eastons because of consistency problems.

Easton illuminated nocks work off of a magnet and stay lit up to 90 hours. You can activate them for hunting and deactivate them when you're done for the season. As soon as they pass by the magnet they turn on until you pass them by the magnet again, or the batter runs out. They stay lit for 10 seconds then start flashing.

I am all for changing the laws to help recover more deer!

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Title: Re: Lumenok
Post by: LongTatLaw on November 20, 2009, 01:03:44 PM: I know right...my wife did some homework on her own while i was in Iraq and bought me several toys...

things Ive never mentioned before...

things i would love to have...

she bought me luminocs and a bow cam (almost 400$)

so...I have great videos of my pig hunts this summer...and nada for a easy to film elk hunt... the cougar would have just been a brown blurr and then a puddle by my leg :chuckle:

its just lazziness... instead of putting some thought into what they outlaw and potentially having to adjust it in a few years with the advent of some new technology...they decided to just say...nothing electronic...and that rules out several items that have nothing to do with the intent of the law! :bash: nor were they considered when passing the law...

a concerted effort for a referendum style written petition might give some weight to the issue for future regulation changes but it would take hundreds not dozens...IMO

I dont think e-signing would work...no one knows or cares what longtat says...well..they dont care what david raines says either...but maybe someone on here... :P
Title: Re: Lumenok
Post by: Tom Tamer on November 20, 2009, 07:56:26 PM: Quote from: lokidog on November 20, 2009, 12:36:59 PM
It's the same thing with a video camera mounted on your bow. Both of these items simply help in the recovery of a hit animal not in getting the shot in the first place. There should be a line item exception in the regs for these two items, we're not talking about lighted pins, lasers or rangefinders mounted to the bow.

I would get luminoks in the blink of an eye if they were legal here.

Maybe we should start a petition to turn in to WDFW, like that would make a difference..... Oh wait, suggest a $10 luminok liscense fee, they might go for that! :bash:

No a petition would not help too much, but if we bring it up at the game regulation meetings we can get it changed, that's how we got the muzzleloader bullet type changed and it's how we got the multi season tags....my two cents
Title: Re: Lumenok
Post by: MIKEXRAY on November 26, 2009, 09:13:41 AM: I know they are illegal & I don't use them. My question is do you think any gamie would write you a ticket for having them ? I don't think so because I think they have bigger fish to fry. Also how would anyone know ? I don't think you can tell when they are in the quiver. Don't picture the gamies whacking bows on the side to see if any lights come on . I would love to use them as You can see your shot placement much better & decide on the wait time to trail & you can find your arrow a lot better if a pass through. I also see the states side that if they allow one little rule breaker that they will be flooded with requests for lighted sights etc. Mike
Title: Re: Lumenok
Post by: scoyoc5 on November 26, 2009, 09:31:53 AM: it would also make it easier to find a 15-20 $ arrow....I'm sure it's just plain easier to have a zero tolerance policy than to try to help out the hunters :dunno:. I don't see this state changing the rules. I also wonder why expandable broadheads are illegal
Title: Re: Lumenok
Post by: h2ofowlr on December 03, 2009, 07:41:43 AM: Asked last night at the bow shop. They are illegal in this state, unfortunately. So, is the camera technically if it mounted on your bow. That's never any good. These knocks would be especially good with these high speed bows now. If it is overcast and unless you have super bright knocks and fletching it is very difficult to see your shot.
Title: Re: Lumenok
Post by: Machias on December 03, 2009, 09:47:34 AM: Well folks I can tell you it has almost NOTHING to do with the Game Department. NONE of the WA State Bowhunters organizations want them legalized. If you speak to the archery organizations in this state they are almost all against them. Don't believe me, go to the archery only sites and you will find most are against them. The state is NOT going to change the regs when the "Voice" of bowhunting in this state is against them, even if they receive a few e-mails from folks like yourselves.
Title: Re: Lumenok
Post by: lokidog on December 03, 2009, 10:30:30 AM: Why would that be? Too much techno? Better take their speed cams away.... It seems silly to not allow something that would increase the recovery of animals. Once again, an example of a public agency only listening to the loudest voices and not using any common sense. IMHO
Title: Re: Lumenok
Post by: Machias on December 03, 2009, 10:52:18 AM: I believe it is several reasons, to much techno is one of them. Unfounded fears about guys shooting later and later, not really understanding the purpose. Not wanting to start down that supposedly slippery slope. I am only speaking from my general perception of the reasons I have heard in the past on other sites.
Title: Re: Lumenok
Post by: Special T on December 03, 2009, 11:09:51 AM: I think it comes from the law of unintended consequences. People who either write the laws or regs no nothing about what they are talking about... If i remember correctly in E Oregon there are areas that are traditional archery only for mule deer.... There are LOTS of people who work at the WDFW that want their 20yr gov service and don't want to rock the boat.... We get ahead by taking care of our customers.... They get ahead by pleasing their bosses and not making waves. :bash:
Title: Re: Lumenok
Post by: MAVsled on December 07, 2009, 07:30:42 PM: if shooting instinctive, I can see the Lumenok being of assistance in spotting for the hit area in low light.

but with my fiber optic pins, Lumenok wouldn't help me shooting in low light. Heck, at 4:15pm while on treestand in the darkening timber I couldn't sight with the pins on Sunday. Not being an instinctive shooting archer, that buck walked off at 40 yards.

A Lumenok sure might have helped me find an arrow loosed earlier this season though. The arrow hit a small branch (which I didn't see earlier) at 30 yards causing the arrow to glance off. I didn't follow the arrow's remaining flight as my vision concentrated on that Oregon 4x3 blacktail buck and I was trying to nock another. Buck stepped off outta my bow range and never offered another shot, just a good look as he meandered into the clearcut. Upon recovering from that sad feeling, I climbed down and searched for an hour and couldn't find the arrow; a complete arrow set up sure costs more than a single rifle cartridge. I sure hope no one gets hurt if they happen to step on the broadhead part.