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Title: Is he Boone or not....
Post by: boneaddict on January 09, 2008, 12:31:29 PM: I seriously wonder what this bull would score, if he would make Boone or not??? I strugle the most with scoring elk, and this is a nice one. Many of you may have seen him on MM or on here in another thread, I'm reposting him because I wanted elknuts REAL opinion. I looked hard for the sheds, but never picked them up. DANG IT
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Title: Re: Is he Boone or not....
Post by: TheKid#10 on January 09, 2008, 12:56:17 PM: Bone,

I am by far no expert, and with out being able to see the spread of the bull via a head on pic it's kinda tough. But good lord those g-3's, 4's, 5's & 6's are monstrous!! I would say that bull is over 375 gross unless the spread is narrow. I would give my left one to harvest that bull!! Suppose your not telling where and when you took that pic.

KID
Title: Re: Is he Boone or not....
Post by: jackelope on January 09, 2008, 12:56:51 PM: I say yes...but you know i'm a newbie.
looks like a bull i would say is 360 for sure.
:dunno:
he does look bigger in the bottom pics than the top one.
Title: Re: Is he Boone or not....
Post by: bankwalker on January 09, 2008, 01:07:34 PM: wow that is a nice bull...nice mass and talk about some ivory tips

looks like an old bull
Title: Re: Is he Boone or not....
Post by: Elknut1 on January 09, 2008, 01:14:10 PM: Great looking bull for sure but slightly shy of a Booner Bull. I'd put him in the 370 class, gross not net. Did you snap the photos through binos or spotting scope? I'd about guarantee he doesn't go the 380 min.

What was the average score you received at MM? Thanks!

ElkNut1
Title: Re: Is he Boone or not....
Post by: jackelope on January 09, 2008, 01:18:15 PM: i thought it was 360 minimum for awards and 375 all time??
Title: Re: Is he Boone or not....
Post by: Elknut1 on January 09, 2008, 01:46:38 PM: For some reason I had 380 on the brain for the min score, but jackelope is correct in his assumption! It's 360, that means yes, I feel that bull posted will make or exceed that score best as I can tell from the photo. My guess is he's in a draw unit, is this correct?

ElkNut1
Title: Re: Is he Boone or not....
Post by: Muleyslyr on January 09, 2008, 02:12:07 PM: I would say Yes he would. He has some awesome tine length. Without seeing the width and not really knowing what kinda mass he's got, he still looks like he'd go 375 1/8! ;)
Title: Re: Is he Boone or not....
Post by: dbllunger on January 09, 2008, 02:29:45 PM: No doubt unless their was something crazy wrong on width.
Title: Re: Is he Boone or not....
Post by: Slider on January 09, 2008, 03:35:33 PM: Bone he looks about 360 gross to me?
Title: Re: Is he Boone or not....
Post by: WDFW-SUX on January 09, 2008, 04:03:04 PM: You should have just killed him so you could have measured his horns :dunno:
Title: Re: Is he Boone or not....
Post by: Elknut1 on January 09, 2008, 04:19:21 PM: Here's a comparison of a great looking bull we took. It was taken by my good friend Chris a few years back. I scored this bull as well just after he was taken. He scored 355" He looks bigger to some but the tape don't lie! (grin) I believe boneaddicts bull is a bit better than this one!

ElkNut1
Title: Re: Is he Boone or not....
Post by: bucklucky on January 09, 2008, 05:33:36 PM: The bull has some nice backs but the fronts are pretty short. I would give him about a 364 gross. I called in a few thet would go about 375 to 380 gross and got one of them on video. That is a dandy bull for sure Bone. I posted a picture of a 388 bull that I mounted in the taxidermy section that has the same look of that bull but has exceptional fronts to give him that 388 score. It was shot with a bow by the way.
Title: Re: Is he Boone or not....
Post by: MuleySniper on January 09, 2008, 06:04:37 PM: I wouldnt care if he was a booner or not! If I had a tag and had him in my sights during rifle season, he'd be on the ground. I wouldnt care how much ground shrinkage there was. I think he's a great bull, but I'm a novice at scoring. Actually Id rather stick him with my bow anyday.
MS
Title: Re: Is he Boone or not....
Post by: boneaddict on January 09, 2008, 06:53:16 PM: I thought he was between 370-375. MM was so all over, I had guys saying he was a 320 bull. Yea right. I had a guy go up to 385. If he had fronts to match the backs he sure would have been. I don't think his fronts were as small as they appear, just because the rest of him was so big, but they were his weak spots. He was in the NE corner, Selkirk, so NOT a draw bull, anyone could hunt him. It was taken with max on my digital zoom, which is 36 power or something like that on the Lumix 10. There were a bunch of decent Satellite bulls and at least 50 cows. He was still bugling and it was mid november. Thanks for your honest opinion elknut, and everyone. Some squirrel had himself one heck of a chew toy. I saw antoher bull like him this fall, not as massive but more inches.
Title: Re: Is he Boone or not....
Post by: high country on January 09, 2008, 07:52:23 PM: bone he is surely shooter class, but if you were hoping for a spot in the book, well if he puts a little more into the brows and holds the upper mass I think you will be close. I am gonna guess 360-365...gross.
Title: Re: Is he Boone or not....
Post by: Bigshooter on January 09, 2008, 08:48:29 PM: Great bull hope you find the sheds. By looking a the pics i would say 360 to 365.
Title: Re: Is he Boone or not....
Post by: bucklucky on January 09, 2008, 10:05:30 PM: Here is the 388 bull I was talking about.I can tell you the eye guards are all between 18 to 20 inches the thirds are 17 and 18 the fourths are 21 and the fifths are 16. May help for referance ? Oh and the main beams are 51 and 52.
Title: Re: Is he Boone or not....
Post by: groundhog on January 10, 2008, 07:10:01 AM: Man what a beautiful bull! I love the dark color and the ivory tips. He has great thirds, fifths, good mass, and good main beam length. I like the way his thirds start just below his fourths. Did he break off his fourth on the left or is it just shorter? His firsts and seconds look to be about 14 or 15 inches to me but I could be wrong. I would say he is right around 360 to 365 gross but I am usually a little low. I also noticed several bulls chasing cows and bugling in Nov.
Title: Re: Is he Boone or not....
Post by: groundhog on January 10, 2008, 07:19:16 AM: Bone,
Taking a second look, his G-1 on his left looks longer. It could be 17 or 18 inches. And he doesn't look a whole lot smaller than the 388 bull. I think his main beams are at least 50 to 52. One heck of a bull!
Title: Re: Is he Boone or not....
Post by: BLUEBULLS on January 10, 2008, 07:30:23 AM: awesome bull but I think he's only about 352 at best.
i tried to go high but i gave him...
G1 - 14 each
G2- 14 each
G3 - 17 each
G4 - 17 each
G5 - 15 each
with 50" mains and 28" of mass per side
Title: Re: Is he Boone or not....
Post by: Slider on January 10, 2008, 10:40:21 AM: This Bull is 370?
Title: Re: Is he Boone or not....
Post by: boneaddict on January 10, 2008, 01:12:01 PM: You forgot his 6ths and I would probably give him better than a 42 inch spread or at least as conservative as 45. Maybe a little bit more on the swords, but close on the rest. I appreciate everyones opinion, and supporting evidence.
Title: Re: Is he Boone or not....
Post by: BLUEBULLS on January 10, 2008, 01:26:55 PM: it looks like he only has 1 - G6???
i just gave him 40" on spread, pretty hard to tell that.
he definitely has the look I want.
Title: Re: Is he Boone or not....
Post by: boneaddict on January 10, 2008, 01:32:36 PM: One about 5 and one about 2.....sorry for the poor photo quality, I know that doesn't make it any easier.
Title: Re: Is he Boone or not....
Post by: BLUEBULLS on January 10, 2008, 01:38:45 PM: the quality is better than most of mine, i'm too cheap to buy a camera.
I have to steal the wifes cheap little panasonic and she gets pretty mad.
Title: Re: Is he Boone or not....
Post by: M_ray on January 11, 2008, 10:19:52 AM: Bone, A pretty bull for sure and you allready know that his fronts are the weak spot with that said I think he's close but looks like 355-360 to me if I could have gotten 17 on the G-1 & 2's then I'd say no problem but I think that they are realistically 13-14.
Title: Re: Is he Boone or not....
Post by: Craig on January 11, 2008, 10:42:58 AM: I would guess between 360 and 370. The heavy mass might make him a little harder to guess the score. Great looking bull. How far away were you?
Title: Re: Is he Boone or not....
Post by: boneaddict on January 14, 2008, 11:53:08 PM: About 450-500 yards. He'd died if I had the 06 and the proper tag without a problem and I WOULD HAVE taken the shot.
Title: Re: Is he Boone or not....
Post by: DOUBLELUNG on January 15, 2008, 12:05:14 AM: I think he's easily 350 net, and 360 wouldn't surprise me - much more would, though. I love the mass, but inches get the score. GREAT thirds and 5ths, just good 4ths, and average 1s and 2s (I know they hook more than average, but they're not exceptionally long). So, he needs the beam length to get there, and he doesn't have exceptionally long beams.

That said, this is pretty much my ultimate bull, a fully mature, unbroken MASSIVE bull. I'd take him over a spindlier bull with higher scoring tine and beam lengths any day.
Title: Re: Is he Boone or not....
Post by: huntnphool on January 15, 2008, 01:59:21 AM: I'm with DOUBLELUNG, 350 class looks about right ot me.
Title: Re: Is he Boone or not....
Post by: Elknut1 on January 15, 2008, 07:07:28 AM: Boneaddict, I've heard you mention the nice bull you got this year, do you mind posting a photo of it, I'd love to see him? Didn't realize you shot a longbow too boot, great job there!!

ElkNut1
Title: Re: Is he Boone or not....
Post by: boneaddict on January 15, 2008, 07:21:54 AM: Take a gander at the thread BIGBULLDOWN. It should be on the first page of the elk section. the story and support pics are there. It was an awesome hunt. let me know what you think of him. I was hoping to get him scored this week, but my work schedule isn't cooperating.
Title: Re: Is he Boone or not....
Post by: Elknut1 on January 15, 2008, 07:44:06 AM: Ahh-Hahh, now I can see it, I had to switch PCs, I have so many blockers on mine that some photos will not appear! Lucky we have 3 going at all times!

Good looking bull for sure, congrats on a real trophy there!! What longbow were you shooting there? Arrow/Broadhead choice? Thanks!

I also wanted to add that those Father Son times are truly special, I hold those memories close to my heart!

ElkNut1
Title: Re: Is he Boone or not....
Post by: boneaddict on January 15, 2008, 09:30:41 AM: I am shooting a custom hybrid longbow from Hornseeker on here (Sapphire hawk), from Sapphire Archery. I think I put a link to his website if you are interested in that sort of thing in the Archery shop thread...... I'll look for the link. Its 80-85 pounds at 31". I'm sort of a big fellar so I am launching missels. I am shooting full length Gold tips at 5575 carbon, with traditional wood grain. I tried the stiffer spine, but didn't shoot well with the fingertip release etc. They are tipped with 125 magnus Stingers, two blade. Wicked buggers. i think I am underweight for my arrows or total weight. I'll be working on that this summer. I am thinking about gong to some grizzly tips or whatever they are called. I am very happy with my selection as I think it saved my bacon. I got into a shoulder blade this fall, and if not for the two blade.......I did have my compound back in camp as a back up. We were a long ways rom home. i told Idabooner that the first three days would be traditional, and the last three would be with the compound.
I'm always very willing to plug Ernies bows. they are awesome. Fastest shooting critters I have ever laid my hands on and they are gorgeous. They are also very affordable as he is fairly new to the business so is still building a name for himself. So far with this bow for the last two seasons, I have killed my Alaskan moose, two nice muleys during the modern season, and this elk.
Title: Re: Is he Boone or not....
Post by: boneaddict on January 15, 2008, 09:33:36 AM: Here is that link....take a gander.
http://www.sapphirearchery.com/ (http://www.sapphirearchery.com/)
Title: Re: Is he Boone or not....
Post by: Hornseeker on January 15, 2008, 09:44:30 AM: If you want to kill a big bull Paul...you really should be shooting a Sapphire...hehehe

Good to see you over here at WA Hunt.. Doug is my marketing marvel..he's killed a couple nice bucks and that nice bull and a great Alaskan bull with the bow I built him!

Hey, you gonna try to make the Montana Bowhunters Convention in Missoula this year??

Thanks for the Plug Doug.

Ernie
Title: Re: Is he Boone or not....
Post by: Elknut1 on January 15, 2008, 09:51:59 AM: Thank You for the info there Bone! (I hope it's OK to call you that?) Yes, those Grizzly Sticks are one tough bugger for sure! They've got good wt. behind them as well, you'll like them. I agree that Stinger is a very good head, I blew through the shoulder bone of this bull at 10yds with the 125grn Stinger with bleeders, buried it to the fletching.

I know Ernie, yes he's a great guy, didn't know he was on this Site, great to hear!! He's threatened to make me a bow a time or two, we'll see! (grin)

ElkNut1
Title: Re: Is he Boone or not....
Post by: boneaddict on January 15, 2008, 09:57:24 AM: I'm always excited to tell someone about your bows. I think they are INCREDIBLE! Aren't you supposed to be building me another for half off or something for killing that big elk. AND.......a new hat too. :)
Title: Re: Is he Boone or not....
Post by: boneaddict on January 15, 2008, 10:01:46 AM: Bone is fine. Doyou shoot grizzly sticks? You need to talk him into putting that rifle of his away in the closet, and starting shooting bows with one of these sharp sticks. I asked his wife about that and she spewed all sorts of stuff out about him. :chuckle: I can't rib him too much though, I might be over there this year wth him posing behind ne of those Montana bulls with an 06 in my hands. :)
Title: Re: Is he Boone or not....
Post by: Elknut1 on January 15, 2008, 10:19:24 AM: I have not personally hunted with Grizzly Sticks, but a friend has used them on his hunts, they're a good breed! I've shot aluminums the 2 years I've shot this bow, my son however shoots cedars out of his recurve & has taken 3 bulls with them & various heads.

Ernie, I know you took a nice bull this year with the rifle, but it is time to pull out the longbows for sure, you're a natural for it! I may even invite you up this way & see how you do with a bull in front of you! (grin)

Ernie, honestly speaking, I'm in the market for a new bow this year, it must be a T/D Model though! The one I have now is a one piece, great bow but I need something different! I think we should talk!

ElkNut1
Title: Re: Is he Boone or not....
Post by: boneaddict on January 15, 2008, 10:31:53 AM: I have really enjoyed mine for packing in or going in on my big hunts, especially the Alaskan hunt. i was pretty nervous about how it might effect the shooting etc., but it worked awesome.

HEY don't be distracting him with other hunts. He is responsible for taking care of me this year when I get drawn. I say this year as I am going into Montana with 4 points. THAT SHOULD BE a sure thing.
Title: Re: Is he Boone or not....
Post by: Hornseeker on January 15, 2008, 12:40:31 PM: Criminy sakes...I guess we'll hijack this thread... Doug started it anyways..
Guys...I hunt my BUTT off with that dang longbow...just haven't had a great shot opp yet! This year I had a nice 5 point walking past me at 17 yards and then FROZE behind the tree I was going to draw on him as he went behind... He went from broadside behind the tree to tail to me and running straight away.... end of encounter!

Had another good one this year Paul, I'll start a thread about it and see what you'd recommend.

Heck, the rifle bull would have been a great bow opportunity. Though I killed him at about 75 yards, he was clueless I was there, wind was perfect, the snow was DEAD quiet and he was feeding on moss on a downed tree. It was awesome. Probably could have pulled into about 30 yards and skewered him...easier said than done!!

I'll shoot ya an email about a bow Paul..

Ernie
Title: Re: Is he Boone or not....
Post by: Elknut1 on January 15, 2008, 01:41:47 PM: No worries for this year Bone, I've got a full plate already! (grin)

ElkNut1