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Title: Water Buffalo ( More Pics, repairs are finished )( Mount completed)
Post by: BLKBEARKLR on December 18, 2009, 09:49:43 AM
So had a customer bring me a water buffalo to mount. Have been putting in a lot of work on the horns. Just got the form ordered. The cape was cut kind of small so may have to do some modifications to it. Here are some pictures of the horns, will get some up soon of the repair job. I think I have around 6-7 hours into them now. I have to get this charging them extra for repair work figured out. Did not charge any extra I thought for some dumb reason it would be an easy fix. This was all at another local taxidermist that had the stuff for almost two years.


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Post by: Woodchuck on December 18, 2009, 09:59:08 AM
looks like you have some serious work ahead of you
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Post by: rasbo on December 18, 2009, 10:08:50 AM
how did they end up that way natural or :dunno:
Title: Re: Water Buffalo
Post by: BLKBEARKLR on December 18, 2009, 01:32:17 PM
how did they end up that way natural or :dunno:

Rasbo

The best I can tell after having looked at it for hours trying to figure out what to do, I am about 99.999999% it was shot. I could see what looked like a bullet path through it. I can't say 100% what happened though, but I can say without a doubt that is not Natural.....

Joe
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Post by: WDFW-SUX on December 18, 2009, 01:34:11 PM
Where was the buff shot? (country)
Title: Re: Water Buffalo
Post by: BLKBEARKLR on December 18, 2009, 02:00:35 PM
Where was the buff shot? (country)

In United states on a game ranch
Title: Re: Water Buffalo
Post by: BLKBEARKLR on December 18, 2009, 04:06:33 PM
Some more pics added
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Post by: Buckhole on December 19, 2009, 10:24:08 AM
Wow! How do you fix something like that? Resin filler or Bondo? Looks like it's kinda rotting in there.
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Post by: bucklucky on December 19, 2009, 10:34:53 AM
OPh good time in the taxidermy world  :chuckle: I bet you have a day into fixing that bad boy. Lets see 8 hours X $50.00 per hour and supplies....Probably a $500.00 fix, well maybee not that much. $350.00?
Title: Re: Water Buffalo
Post by: BLKBEARKLR on December 19, 2009, 11:53:17 AM
Wow! How do you fix something like that? Resin filler or Bondo? Looks like it's kinda rotting in there.

I filled it in with a foam and established a base to work off of, and now I am using a 2 part epoxy and slowly building it up and letting it settle and dry and then repeating the process. And then before the last batch hardens will put the dents and lines back in it.

Not rotten at all that horn is as hard as concrete, I had to soak it in boiling water and then ratchet strap it back together and set with screws to keep it in place.

Joe
Title: Re: Water Buffalo
Post by: BLKBEARKLR on December 19, 2009, 11:54:25 AM
OPh good time in the taxidermy world  :chuckle: I bet you have a day into fixing that bad boy. Lets see 8 hours X $50.00 per hour and supplies....Probably a $500.00 fix, well maybee not that much. $350.00?

And that is why I have to learn to start adding extra hours into this stuff. I did not charge a dime for the repair work, so once again lesson learned on it.
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Post by: bucklucky on December 19, 2009, 12:02:47 PM
Hey man, I did stuff like that for nothing just to get experiance. No harm with that. Ounce you do a few you get a better idea of how and what to charge.
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Post by: Buckhole on December 20, 2009, 11:23:24 AM
Be sure to show some after pictures. I'm interested in how this comes out.
Title: Re: Water Buffalo (More pics added)
Post by: BLKBEARKLR on December 24, 2009, 03:06:34 PM
Ok I am updating as we go along in stages, got the horns all together, they look really good I will paint them soon and update those pictures also.

So today we did a pre-fit to see how it was going to go on the form, GUESS WHAT, it was cut to short, so we had to do some form modifications. It involved a saws all, a shovel and a heck of a lot of sanding. But the baby was sleeping and it was momma and me having fun. Notice in the pictures her attire, cut off sweats, black socks and tennis shoes.

So today was just having fun with doing some modifications hopefully Monday it will go on the form...

Joe
Title: Re: Water Buffalo (More pics added)
Post by: bucklucky on December 24, 2009, 03:19:57 PM
Hey Joe, on a large mount like that use a hand saw and your cut will be nice and straight so you can foam on a new back board  ;) Looks like fun man!! Wish I was there helping you out on that one...............uh no not really  :chuckle:
Title: Re: Water Buffalo (More pics added)
Post by: BLKBEARKLR on December 24, 2009, 03:22:44 PM
LMAO, if I had a hand saw, the only one I had was about 12 inches long. Figured well hell if I got to sand might as well use a power tool first. Well actually I pretended to be working on the new back board and had Shawn sanding away. Then when she got it all sanded she said what now? I said ummm we got to cut the new back for it. I got me a nice pissed off look.
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Post by: rasbo on December 24, 2009, 03:35:35 PM
hang in there its gonna be awesome
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Post by: bucklucky on December 24, 2009, 03:55:02 PM
 :chuckle:
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Post by: Michelle_Nelson on December 24, 2009, 06:40:05 PM
:chuckle:  There is always a first for something.
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Post by: BLKBEARKLR on December 24, 2009, 07:22:41 PM
Are you saying that my shovel trick makes me a pioneer in doing new things with the forms!!!!!    :IBCOOL: :IBCOOL:
Title: Re: Water Buffalo (More pics added)
Post by: WCTaxidermy on December 24, 2009, 11:17:02 PM
Hey Joe, your face was turning red bud. :chuckle:  You two look like your having fun doing that one.  I think I will stick with birds thank you. ;)  You two have a great X-mas.  Talk with you soon.

John
Title: Re: Water Buffalo (More pics added)
Post by: BLKBEARKLR on December 26, 2009, 07:50:03 PM
Hey Joe, your face was turning red bud. :chuckle:  You two look like your having fun doing that one.  I think I will stick with birds thank you. ;)  You two have a great X-mas.  Talk with you soon.

John

Turning red? Brother I was straining so hard to pop that thing loose I think I turned my drawers brown!!!!    Hope you and the Mrs had a good Christmas will give you a call sometime this week...

Joe
Title: Re: Water Buffalo (More pics added)( More Pics, repairs are finished )
Post by: BLKBEARKLR on December 30, 2009, 05:53:53 PM
So this is what teh horns now look like, hopefully Monday will be able to mount it up
Title: Re: Water Buffalo (More pics added)( More Pics, repairs are finished )
Post by: coop2424 on December 30, 2009, 06:20:50 PM
That is some awesome work.  Good job can not even tell what has been repaired...
Title: Re: Water Buffalo (More pics added)( More Pics, repairs are finished )
Post by: carpsniperg2 on December 30, 2009, 06:47:36 PM
very good fix job, and i bet it was shot i have seen a elk horn that looked kinda like that. and no it was not mine lol
Title: Re: Water Buffalo (More pics added)( More Pics, repairs are finished )
Post by: Michelle_Nelson on December 30, 2009, 07:04:16 PM
Good job Joe!
Title: Re: Water Buffalo (More pics added)( More Pics, repairs are finished )
Post by: BLKBEARKLR on December 30, 2009, 10:00:41 PM
Thanks everyone for the kind words, now one final phase and that is mounting it.
Title: Re: Water Buffalo (More pics added)( More Pics, repairs are finished )
Post by: Rudy on December 31, 2009, 10:25:29 AM
wow.......AWESOME work.  Looks very nice.  Cant wait to see the pics when everything is said and done! 
Title: Re: Water Buffalo (More pics added)( More Pics, repairs are finished )
Post by: bucklucky on January 01, 2010, 09:45:43 AM
Nice Job Joe ! Looks good man!
Title: Re: Water Buffalo (More pics added)( More Pics, repairs are finished )
Post by: Buckhole on January 01, 2010, 03:48:02 PM
That horn looks brand new!!!  :P

Great restoration!
Title: Re: Water Buffalo (More pics added)( More Pics, repairs are finished )
Post by: TheHunt on January 01, 2010, 04:52:31 PM
That is great work... 
Title: Re: Water Buffalo (More pics added)( More Pics, repairs are finished )
Post by: BLKBEARKLR on January 02, 2010, 09:22:57 AM
Thanks everyone once again for the kind words, looks like it will be Monday that it gets put together, had a couple things come up with the wife getting ready to deploy next Saturday so put it off until Monday when baby girl is in daycare....


Joe
Title: Re: Water Buffalo ( More Pics, repairs are finished )( Mount completed)
Post by: BLKBEARKLR on January 22, 2010, 05:03:46 PM
Well here it is all completed, learned a lot from this project, hope you have enjoyed seeing the pics 
Title: Re: Water Buffalo ( More Pics, repairs are finished )( Mount completed)
Post by: turkey slayer on January 22, 2010, 07:09:01 PM
Looks good man, came a long ways good job
Title: Re: Water Buffalo ( More Pics, repairs are finished )( Mount completed)
Post by: huntnphool on January 22, 2010, 07:23:57 PM
Well done
Title: Re: Water Buffalo ( More Pics, repairs are finished )( Mount completed)
Post by: littlebuf on January 22, 2010, 09:36:29 PM
even looks pissed off. nice work
Title: Re: Water Buffalo ( More Pics, repairs are finished )( Mount completed)
Post by: robb92 on January 23, 2010, 06:04:52 AM
very nice work!!!! Thanks for posting the pics!!!
Title: Re: Water Buffalo ( More Pics, repairs are finished )( Mount completed)
Post by: PacificNWhunter on January 24, 2010, 08:37:05 AM
Very nice! Turned out great.
Title: Re: Water Buffalo ( More Pics, repairs are finished )( Mount completed)
Post by: patton1 on January 24, 2010, 04:28:11 PM
Awesome work.  I really enjoy the step by step process you allow us all to be a part of. Thanks.
Title: Re: Water Buffalo ( More Pics, repairs are finished )( Mount completed)
Post by: BLKBEARKLR on January 25, 2010, 06:29:14 AM
Thank you everyone, I have learned a lot off of this project. The customer is supposed to be coming and pick it up today. I hope he will be happy with it, from where it was to what it is now....
Title: Re: Water Buffalo ( More Pics, repairs are finished )( Mount completed)
Post by: rasbo on January 25, 2010, 06:36:00 AM
Thank you everyone, I have learned a lot off of this project. The customer is supposed to be coming and pick it up today. I hope he will be happy with it, from where it was to what it is now....
looks great,ahh is that skunk I smell?
Title: Re: Water Buffalo ( More Pics, repairs are finished )( Mount completed)
Post by: bucklucky on January 25, 2010, 10:02:10 AM
Nice Job Joe.
Title: Re: Water Buffalo ( More Pics, repairs are finished )( Mount completed)
Post by: BLKBEARKLR on January 27, 2010, 04:31:32 PM
Thanks Charlie,

Jim it does still smell like skunk a little out there...


So 3 phone calls now and still no pick up...
Title: Re: Water Buffalo ( More Pics, repairs are finished )( Mount completed)
Post by: bucklucky on January 27, 2010, 05:00:53 PM
No pick up yet.....Ut Oh.
Title: Re: Water Buffalo ( More Pics, repairs are finished )( Mount completed)
Post by: Ray on January 27, 2010, 05:07:21 PM
It looks great. That's one beast I would really like a chance at some day.
Title: Re: Water Buffalo ( More Pics, repairs are finished )( Mount completed)
Post by: rasbo on January 27, 2010, 05:08:48 PM
Thanks Charlie,

Jim it does still smell like skunk a little out there...


So 3 phone calls now and still no pick up...
finally got rid of the glands..
Title: Re: Water Buffalo ( More Pics, repairs are finished )( Mount completed)
Post by: Michelle_Nelson on January 27, 2010, 06:21:55 PM
LOL, you are still smelling skunk? 

My husband threatened to make me sleep in my shop that first night after skinning that thing out.  LOL
Title: Re: Water Buffalo ( More Pics, repairs are finished )( Mount completed)
Post by: BLKBEARKLR on February 06, 2010, 09:37:18 AM
Michelle,

Every time it rains the scent comes back up. Think I am going to bleach my yard pretty soon.
Title: Re: Water Buffalo ( More Pics, repairs are finished )( Mount completed)
Post by: Michelle_Nelson on February 06, 2010, 03:53:12 PM
 :rolleyes:
Title: Re: Water Buffalo ( More Pics, repairs are finished )( Mount completed)
Post by: BLKBEARKLR on February 24, 2010, 06:51:00 PM
Wow just need to vent a little

Been 32 days since I contacted this customer to come and pick the mount up, got to talk to him twice said he would be here the next time and still nothing. I don't take any money up front, so this has really dipped into the business account and still nothing.

Think it is time to send certified letter, in my contract it says after 30 days to start charging a storage fee, think I am going to have to impose that and starting March 22 60 days after he was notified and did not come pick it up then sell it and recover my losses.

Some may think that this is a little harsh, but right now I am out almost 1000.00 for this mount, and he has not even attempted to start a payment plan or anything, I would understand if he just manned up said he did not have the entire amount but at least start making some payments.

So what are your thoughts???

Joe
Title: Re: Water Buffalo ( More Pics, repairs are finished )( Mount completed)
Post by: carpsniperg2 on February 24, 2010, 07:01:24 PM
that would be just fine to me if it was my business. if no effort has been made after 60 days of notification and you have tried multiple times to contact and the person is not making payment cut the loses and sell it. :twocents: do you have any finished picks for us? i remember when you first posted this would love to see how you fixed it if you can post the picks if you havent already.
Title: Re: Water Buffalo ( More Pics, repairs are finished )( Mount completed)
Post by: BLKBEARKLR on February 24, 2010, 07:28:26 PM
that would be just fine to me if it was my business. if no effort has been made after 60 days of notification and you have tried multiple times to contact and the person is not making payment cut the loses and sell it. :twocents: do you have any finished picks for us? i remember when you first posted this would love to see how you fixed it if you can post the picks if you havent already.

Carp, go to page 3, I posted a bunch of them up when I first got it finished...

Joe
Title: Re: Water Buffalo ( More Pics, repairs are finished )( Mount completed)
Post by: Michelle_Nelson on February 24, 2010, 07:43:33 PM
Joe, how many times have I told you to collect a deposit? At least 100 times.  Time for a little tough love.  I TOLD YOU SO!  Still sucks when this kinda stuff happens.

Do you think the stuff I tell you I pull out of my ass?  It is from experience!  By not collecting a deposit you are setting yourself up for this kinda stuff.  You think he would be this flaky if he would have had $500 down on that buffalo?

Title: Re: Water Buffalo ( More Pics, repairs are finished )( Mount completed)
Post by: Kuduman on February 24, 2010, 09:20:29 PM


:yeah:  Good Point Michelle

Joe:
I feel for ya but this guy has nothing to lose. NEVER put yourself in a position to be taken advantage of. I currently have a two bears that are going to start getting storage fees applied and I'm not a bit stressed cuz there already 50-75% paid for.

Good Luck

Jeff
A.K.A Kuduman
Title: Re: Water Buffalo ( More Pics, repairs are finished )( Mount completed)
Post by: carpsniperg2 on February 24, 2010, 09:24:42 PM
yeah that does look great nice job fixin it up. i don't know were i was when they got posted up nice job.
Title: Re: Water Buffalo ( More Pics, repairs are finished )( Mount completed)
Post by: WCTaxidermy on February 24, 2010, 10:00:10 PM
Joe, I missed the last 3 pages of this thread.  Awesome job on the mount.  It looks great!  I sure hope your customer man's up and picks it up without having to go through the certified mail process.  Good luck bud, I'm pulling for ya.  John
Title: Re: Water Buffalo ( More Pics, repairs are finished )( Mount completed)
Post by: Elkstuffer on February 24, 2010, 10:17:36 PM
That is just plain *censored*ty. This guy was getting one helluva deal from the start with all of the repairs that you had to make. Unfortunatly we all learn the hard way. The last time I didn't get at least 25% down I got stuck with a large mouth bass skin mount.

I contact the customer when the mount is finished. If nothing after 7 days I send them an invoice that states if payment arrangements have not been made to MY satisfaction within 30 days from the original phone call the mount will be sold. I don't screw around with storage fee's. To easy to get out of those in court.

Good luck with this guy. Put this one in the lesson learned column. :(

The mount turned out great by the way!
Title: Re: Water Buffalo ( More Pics, repairs are finished )( Mount completed)
Post by: BLKBEARKLR on February 25, 2010, 06:43:54 AM
Thank you everyone for the compliments, I have been going through this over and over in my mind, I think the only thing that kind of set me off the deep end is he actually called me set up the time, and i arranged my schedule around him and waited and nothing.

I have had not a lot but quite a few customers that I have not had an issue with, I like it that way, I will continue to honor with them my agreement of no money down, but thinking new customers without a referral I am going to require money down. It is a shame that one person can screw a lot of others.


Joe
Title: Re: Water Buffalo ( More Pics, repairs are finished )( Mount completed)
Post by: Kuduman on February 25, 2010, 08:43:47 AM
Joe:
 Looks like your precessing this as well as to be expected.

I'll add this then leave you alone.

In the past few years I've operated my business with the following three principals governing my actions

1. I'm am first a businessman and a good friend second. That way I'll be less likely to be taken advantage of.

2. I don't use my money to mount other peoples animals.

3. I'll work with my customers as long as they work with me... No deposit = No work I can't justify working on someones mount when they haven't paid something. especially when paying customers animals are still frozen or salted on a rack waiting to be worked on.

Additionally:
If I'm not getting a gross margin ROI of at least 10-1 then I'm not going to be in business for long.

The reality is. that about 5% of your customers will be 95% of your problem but we have to treat everyone equally. This might ruffle your friends feathers but are they really your friends.  Good customers and good friends NEVER put you in an awkward position or take advantage of your generosity. Since I've adopted theses three simple principals My business has grown, my supposed friendships have dwindled and my stress level has all but disappeared.

I say my friendships have dwindled I mean that the folks that said they were my friends were gone once the deals stopped. I still have good friends after all I'm not a total A$$.

My deposits that I get cover my costs and ensure that the customer has enough invested to make walking away less attractive than picking up the mount. In ten years of operation I have had 2 mounts go unclaimed after 60 days. One was due to the death of the customer and the other was a
divorce. Not bad for an average of 125-155 mounts a year. 


Good Luck

Jeff
A.K.A Kuduman
Title: Re: Water Buffalo ( More Pics, repairs are finished )( Mount completed)
Post by: BLKBEARKLR on February 25, 2010, 09:04:41 AM
Joe:
 Looks like your precessing this as well as to be expected.

I'll add this then leave you alone.

In the past few years I've operated my business with the following three principals governing my actions

1. I'm am first a businessman and a good friend second. That way I'll be less likely to be taken advantage of.

2. I don't use my money to mount other peoples animals.

3. I'll work with my customers as long as they work with me... No deposit = No work I can't justify working on someones mount when they haven't paid something. especially when paying customers animals are still frozen or salted on a rack waiting to be worked on.

Additionally:
If I'm not getting a gross margin ROI of at least 10-1 then I'm not going to be in business for long.

The reality is. that about 5% of your customers will be 95% of your problem but we have to treat everyone equally. This might ruffle your friends feathers but are they really your friends.  Good customers and good friends NEVER put you in an awkward position or take advantage of your generosity. Since I've adopted theses three simple principals My business has grown, my supposed friendships have dwindled and my stress level has all but disappeared.

I say my friendships have dwindled I mean that the folks that said they were my friends were gone once the deals stopped. I still have good friends after all I'm not a total A$$.

My deposits that I get cover my costs and ensure that the customer has enough invested to make walking away less attractive than picking up the mount. In ten years of operation I have had 2 mounts go unclaimed after 60 days. One was due to the death of the customer and the other was a
divorce. Not bad for an average of 125-155 mounts a year. 


Good Luck

Jeff
A.K.A Kuduman

Jeff very sound advice, thanks for sharing that with me. I will put these in the back of my mind for future endevors...

Joe
Title: Re: Water Buffalo ( More Pics, repairs are finished )( Mount completed)
Post by: bucklucky on February 25, 2010, 09:07:45 AM
You will get it figured out eventually man. That is if you decide  to stay in buisness long. I know of guys that have just trown in the towl because of what it takes to run it.  50% down is what I ask for, if people dont have it I will work with them . Most have been pretty good about making payments, some havent. I'm actually to leanient on down payments, but I do get most of them. Pretty much all the taxi's on here gave great advice. You will change your toon when you start getting customers, and I dont mean just 20. When you start getting to that 75-100 mark and you are still trying to pay all the tanning , forms and what not out of pocket. That is when you will realize that down payments are a must . I can tell you that buisness expenses are EXPENSIVE! I could show you sometime the program I run all my buisness expenses through. It breaks down everything so I can see where I need to make improvements . You start adding all of it up and it makes a guy wonder why Im even trying to be in buisness  :chuckle: I may take 60,000+ dollers woth of work in but thats not what Im getting out of it  :yike: Mark this down as a lesson learned and take what was said on here for the "experiance people" and run with it. Trust me when I say this, listen to the Taxi's that have a legitament buisness running and learn from what they are saying. It will make your buisness work alot smoother faster then trying "you way" of doing it. Dont nesecarily model it after another buisness, but take what everyone does and put it all together . Trust me, I wish I would have listened to the few world class taxis I have met and talked to over the years about running a legit buisness that actually makes a good amount of money. You are learning as you go, just like we all did . It will all come together one day IF you have the patients  :chuckle:
Title: Re: Water Buffalo ( More Pics, repairs are finished )( Mount completed)
Post by: Rudy on February 25, 2010, 06:05:09 PM
Man that sucks....sorry to hear about that.  On the bright side, you did one hell of a job repairing that animal, and make yourself one beautiful mount.  I'm sure you will be able to sell it and at least get some of your money back.

Keep up the good work, and dont let it get you down too much (easier said than done, i know).  Just remember, not everyone is out there is a d-bag.
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