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Community => Taxidermy & Scoring => Topic started by: BLKBEARKLR on December 18, 2009, 09:49:43 AM
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So had a customer bring me a water buffalo to mount. Have been putting in a lot of work on the horns. Just got the form ordered. The cape was cut kind of small so may have to do some modifications to it. Here are some pictures of the horns, will get some up soon of the repair job. I think I have around 6-7 hours into them now. I have to get this charging them extra for repair work figured out. Did not charge any extra I thought for some dumb reason it would be an easy fix. This was all at another local taxidermist that had the stuff for almost two years.
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looks like you have some serious work ahead of you
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how did they end up that way natural or :dunno:
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how did they end up that way natural or :dunno:
Rasbo
The best I can tell after having looked at it for hours trying to figure out what to do, I am about 99.999999% it was shot. I could see what looked like a bullet path through it. I can't say 100% what happened though, but I can say without a doubt that is not Natural.....
Joe
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Where was the buff shot? (country)
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Where was the buff shot? (country)
In United states on a game ranch
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Some more pics added
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Wow! How do you fix something like that? Resin filler or Bondo? Looks like it's kinda rotting in there.
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OPh good time in the taxidermy world :chuckle: I bet you have a day into fixing that bad boy. Lets see 8 hours X $50.00 per hour and supplies....Probably a $500.00 fix, well maybee not that much. $350.00?
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Wow! How do you fix something like that? Resin filler or Bondo? Looks like it's kinda rotting in there.
I filled it in with a foam and established a base to work off of, and now I am using a 2 part epoxy and slowly building it up and letting it settle and dry and then repeating the process. And then before the last batch hardens will put the dents and lines back in it.
Not rotten at all that horn is as hard as concrete, I had to soak it in boiling water and then ratchet strap it back together and set with screws to keep it in place.
Joe
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OPh good time in the taxidermy world :chuckle: I bet you have a day into fixing that bad boy. Lets see 8 hours X $50.00 per hour and supplies....Probably a $500.00 fix, well maybee not that much. $350.00?
And that is why I have to learn to start adding extra hours into this stuff. I did not charge a dime for the repair work, so once again lesson learned on it.
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Hey man, I did stuff like that for nothing just to get experiance. No harm with that. Ounce you do a few you get a better idea of how and what to charge.
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Be sure to show some after pictures. I'm interested in how this comes out.
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Ok I am updating as we go along in stages, got the horns all together, they look really good I will paint them soon and update those pictures also.
So today we did a pre-fit to see how it was going to go on the form, GUESS WHAT, it was cut to short, so we had to do some form modifications. It involved a saws all, a shovel and a heck of a lot of sanding. But the baby was sleeping and it was momma and me having fun. Notice in the pictures her attire, cut off sweats, black socks and tennis shoes.
So today was just having fun with doing some modifications hopefully Monday it will go on the form...
Joe
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Hey Joe, on a large mount like that use a hand saw and your cut will be nice and straight so you can foam on a new back board ;) Looks like fun man!! Wish I was there helping you out on that one...............uh no not really :chuckle:
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LMAO, if I had a hand saw, the only one I had was about 12 inches long. Figured well hell if I got to sand might as well use a power tool first. Well actually I pretended to be working on the new back board and had Shawn sanding away. Then when she got it all sanded she said what now? I said ummm we got to cut the new back for it. I got me a nice pissed off look.
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hang in there its gonna be awesome
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:chuckle:
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:chuckle: There is always a first for something.
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Are you saying that my shovel trick makes me a pioneer in doing new things with the forms!!!!! :IBCOOL: :IBCOOL:
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Hey Joe, your face was turning red bud. :chuckle: You two look like your having fun doing that one. I think I will stick with birds thank you. ;) You two have a great X-mas. Talk with you soon.
John
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Hey Joe, your face was turning red bud. :chuckle: You two look like your having fun doing that one. I think I will stick with birds thank you. ;) You two have a great X-mas. Talk with you soon.
John
Turning red? Brother I was straining so hard to pop that thing loose I think I turned my drawers brown!!!! Hope you and the Mrs had a good Christmas will give you a call sometime this week...
Joe
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So this is what teh horns now look like, hopefully Monday will be able to mount it up
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That is some awesome work. Good job can not even tell what has been repaired...
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very good fix job, and i bet it was shot i have seen a elk horn that looked kinda like that. and no it was not mine lol
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Good job Joe!
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Thanks everyone for the kind words, now one final phase and that is mounting it.
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wow.......AWESOME work. Looks very nice. Cant wait to see the pics when everything is said and done!
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Nice Job Joe ! Looks good man!
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That horn looks brand new!!! :P
Great restoration!
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That is great work...
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Thanks everyone once again for the kind words, looks like it will be Monday that it gets put together, had a couple things come up with the wife getting ready to deploy next Saturday so put it off until Monday when baby girl is in daycare....
Joe
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Well here it is all completed, learned a lot from this project, hope you have enjoyed seeing the pics
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Looks good man, came a long ways good job
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Well done
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even looks pissed off. nice work
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very nice work!!!! Thanks for posting the pics!!!
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Very nice! Turned out great.
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Awesome work. I really enjoy the step by step process you allow us all to be a part of. Thanks.
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Thank you everyone, I have learned a lot off of this project. The customer is supposed to be coming and pick it up today. I hope he will be happy with it, from where it was to what it is now....
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Thank you everyone, I have learned a lot off of this project. The customer is supposed to be coming and pick it up today. I hope he will be happy with it, from where it was to what it is now....
looks great,ahh is that skunk I smell?
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Nice Job Joe.
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Thanks Charlie,
Jim it does still smell like skunk a little out there...
So 3 phone calls now and still no pick up...
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No pick up yet.....Ut Oh.
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It looks great. That's one beast I would really like a chance at some day.
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Thanks Charlie,
Jim it does still smell like skunk a little out there...
So 3 phone calls now and still no pick up...
finally got rid of the glands..
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LOL, you are still smelling skunk?
My husband threatened to make me sleep in my shop that first night after skinning that thing out. LOL
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Michelle,
Every time it rains the scent comes back up. Think I am going to bleach my yard pretty soon.
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:rolleyes:
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Wow just need to vent a little
Been 32 days since I contacted this customer to come and pick the mount up, got to talk to him twice said he would be here the next time and still nothing. I don't take any money up front, so this has really dipped into the business account and still nothing.
Think it is time to send certified letter, in my contract it says after 30 days to start charging a storage fee, think I am going to have to impose that and starting March 22 60 days after he was notified and did not come pick it up then sell it and recover my losses.
Some may think that this is a little harsh, but right now I am out almost 1000.00 for this mount, and he has not even attempted to start a payment plan or anything, I would understand if he just manned up said he did not have the entire amount but at least start making some payments.
So what are your thoughts???
Joe
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that would be just fine to me if it was my business. if no effort has been made after 60 days of notification and you have tried multiple times to contact and the person is not making payment cut the loses and sell it. :twocents: do you have any finished picks for us? i remember when you first posted this would love to see how you fixed it if you can post the picks if you havent already.
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that would be just fine to me if it was my business. if no effort has been made after 60 days of notification and you have tried multiple times to contact and the person is not making payment cut the loses and sell it. :twocents: do you have any finished picks for us? i remember when you first posted this would love to see how you fixed it if you can post the picks if you havent already.
Carp, go to page 3, I posted a bunch of them up when I first got it finished...
Joe
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Joe, how many times have I told you to collect a deposit? At least 100 times. Time for a little tough love. I TOLD YOU SO! Still sucks when this kinda stuff happens.
Do you think the stuff I tell you I pull out of my ass? It is from experience! By not collecting a deposit you are setting yourself up for this kinda stuff. You think he would be this flaky if he would have had $500 down on that buffalo?
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:yeah: Good Point Michelle
Joe:
I feel for ya but this guy has nothing to lose. NEVER put yourself in a position to be taken advantage of. I currently have a two bears that are going to start getting storage fees applied and I'm not a bit stressed cuz there already 50-75% paid for.
Good Luck
Jeff
A.K.A Kuduman
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yeah that does look great nice job fixin it up. i don't know were i was when they got posted up nice job.
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Joe, I missed the last 3 pages of this thread. Awesome job on the mount. It looks great! I sure hope your customer man's up and picks it up without having to go through the certified mail process. Good luck bud, I'm pulling for ya. John
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That is just plain *censored*ty. This guy was getting one helluva deal from the start with all of the repairs that you had to make. Unfortunatly we all learn the hard way. The last time I didn't get at least 25% down I got stuck with a large mouth bass skin mount.
I contact the customer when the mount is finished. If nothing after 7 days I send them an invoice that states if payment arrangements have not been made to MY satisfaction within 30 days from the original phone call the mount will be sold. I don't screw around with storage fee's. To easy to get out of those in court.
Good luck with this guy. Put this one in the lesson learned column. :(
The mount turned out great by the way!
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Thank you everyone for the compliments, I have been going through this over and over in my mind, I think the only thing that kind of set me off the deep end is he actually called me set up the time, and i arranged my schedule around him and waited and nothing.
I have had not a lot but quite a few customers that I have not had an issue with, I like it that way, I will continue to honor with them my agreement of no money down, but thinking new customers without a referral I am going to require money down. It is a shame that one person can screw a lot of others.
Joe
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Joe:
Looks like your precessing this as well as to be expected.
I'll add this then leave you alone.
In the past few years I've operated my business with the following three principals governing my actions
1. I'm am first a businessman and a good friend second. That way I'll be less likely to be taken advantage of.
2. I don't use my money to mount other peoples animals.
3. I'll work with my customers as long as they work with me... No deposit = No work I can't justify working on someones mount when they haven't paid something. especially when paying customers animals are still frozen or salted on a rack waiting to be worked on.
Additionally:
If I'm not getting a gross margin ROI of at least 10-1 then I'm not going to be in business for long.
The reality is. that about 5% of your customers will be 95% of your problem but we have to treat everyone equally. This might ruffle your friends feathers but are they really your friends. Good customers and good friends NEVER put you in an awkward position or take advantage of your generosity. Since I've adopted theses three simple principals My business has grown, my supposed friendships have dwindled and my stress level has all but disappeared.
I say my friendships have dwindled I mean that the folks that said they were my friends were gone once the deals stopped. I still have good friends after all I'm not a total A$$.
My deposits that I get cover my costs and ensure that the customer has enough invested to make walking away less attractive than picking up the mount. In ten years of operation I have had 2 mounts go unclaimed after 60 days. One was due to the death of the customer and the other was a
divorce. Not bad for an average of 125-155 mounts a year.
Good Luck
Jeff
A.K.A Kuduman
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Joe:
Looks like your precessing this as well as to be expected.
I'll add this then leave you alone.
In the past few years I've operated my business with the following three principals governing my actions
1. I'm am first a businessman and a good friend second. That way I'll be less likely to be taken advantage of.
2. I don't use my money to mount other peoples animals.
3. I'll work with my customers as long as they work with me... No deposit = No work I can't justify working on someones mount when they haven't paid something. especially when paying customers animals are still frozen or salted on a rack waiting to be worked on.
Additionally:
If I'm not getting a gross margin ROI of at least 10-1 then I'm not going to be in business for long.
The reality is. that about 5% of your customers will be 95% of your problem but we have to treat everyone equally. This might ruffle your friends feathers but are they really your friends. Good customers and good friends NEVER put you in an awkward position or take advantage of your generosity. Since I've adopted theses three simple principals My business has grown, my supposed friendships have dwindled and my stress level has all but disappeared.
I say my friendships have dwindled I mean that the folks that said they were my friends were gone once the deals stopped. I still have good friends after all I'm not a total A$$.
My deposits that I get cover my costs and ensure that the customer has enough invested to make walking away less attractive than picking up the mount. In ten years of operation I have had 2 mounts go unclaimed after 60 days. One was due to the death of the customer and the other was a
divorce. Not bad for an average of 125-155 mounts a year.
Good Luck
Jeff
A.K.A Kuduman
Jeff very sound advice, thanks for sharing that with me. I will put these in the back of my mind for future endevors...
Joe
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You will get it figured out eventually man. That is if you decide to stay in buisness long. I know of guys that have just trown in the towl because of what it takes to run it. 50% down is what I ask for, if people dont have it I will work with them . Most have been pretty good about making payments, some havent. I'm actually to leanient on down payments, but I do get most of them. Pretty much all the taxi's on here gave great advice. You will change your toon when you start getting customers, and I dont mean just 20. When you start getting to that 75-100 mark and you are still trying to pay all the tanning , forms and what not out of pocket. That is when you will realize that down payments are a must . I can tell you that buisness expenses are EXPENSIVE! I could show you sometime the program I run all my buisness expenses through. It breaks down everything so I can see where I need to make improvements . You start adding all of it up and it makes a guy wonder why Im even trying to be in buisness :chuckle: I may take 60,000+ dollers woth of work in but thats not what Im getting out of it :yike: Mark this down as a lesson learned and take what was said on here for the "experiance people" and run with it. Trust me when I say this, listen to the Taxi's that have a legitament buisness running and learn from what they are saying. It will make your buisness work alot smoother faster then trying "you way" of doing it. Dont nesecarily model it after another buisness, but take what everyone does and put it all together . Trust me, I wish I would have listened to the few world class taxis I have met and talked to over the years about running a legit buisness that actually makes a good amount of money. You are learning as you go, just like we all did . It will all come together one day IF you have the patients :chuckle:
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Man that sucks....sorry to hear about that. On the bright side, you did one hell of a job repairing that animal, and make yourself one beautiful mount. I'm sure you will be able to sell it and at least get some of your money back.
Keep up the good work, and dont let it get you down too much (easier said than done, i know). Just remember, not everyone is out there is a d-bag.