Post by: chrisb on December 21, 2009, 09:15:02 AM
Post by: Straight Shooter on December 21, 2009, 10:02:16 AM
7.62x51mm..... whats the difference? or is the 7.62x51mm just the NATO designation like 5.56 is for the .223 round? I've seen some good deals recently on 7.62x51mm and i've got a .308 rifle but i don't want to make the mistake of damaging myself or my gun.
The 7.62x51mm is loaded at higher pressures than the .308 Win round... just like the 5.56 NATO vs .223 Rem round. Not recommend that you interchange unless you start off with a firearm designed to handle the higher pressures of the 7.62 or 5.56 NATO rounds.
Post by: addicted on December 21, 2009, 10:04:12 AM
Post by: Mike450r on December 21, 2009, 10:13:45 AM
The issue with higher pressure as far as I know comes from reloading military brass, it is thicker which decreases case capacity causing compressed loads in military brass that would not be if loaded with commercial brass i.e rem, fed, win etc...
Post by: Straight Shooter on December 21, 2009, 11:00:52 AM
Post by: chrisb on December 21, 2009, 11:41:28 AM
Post by: Straight Shooter on December 21, 2009, 02:29:08 PM
So then am i OK to shoot 7.62 in my 308?
I would still be careful. I've shot surplus NATO ammo in my commercial firearms and had what I considered "pressure" issues... i.e. heavier than normal recoil, stuck bolts, etc. I'd personally do my own research and make my own educated decision. :twocents:
Post by: Aperson on December 21, 2009, 02:40:33 PM
If i can get to be a snioper for the army, i'm gonna try and get my own gun, with an .06.
Post by: grousetracker on December 21, 2009, 04:06:08 PM
Post by: chrisb on December 21, 2009, 04:53:08 PM
Post by: Bigbuckhunter_1996 on December 21, 2009, 05:55:01 PM
Post by: ADAMS on December 21, 2009, 07:14:28 PM
Post by: BigGoonTuna on December 21, 2009, 08:40:12 PM
i have heard that the difference between .223 and 5.56x45 are the other way around -- the milspec ammo is loaded to higher pressures than .223. a lot of guys shoot it through their .223 rifles so it's probably OK.
Post by: FALFire on December 21, 2009, 08:50:47 PM
http://www.thegunzone.com/30cal.html
Post by: addicted on December 21, 2009, 09:26:43 PM
Military wants the stopping power...Thats what it's all about, stopping power.
If i can get to be a snioper for the army, i'm gonna try and get my own gun, with an .06.
if they want stopping power then why did they change from the .06 for their primary rifle? its all about saving money.
....or away from the 45 for that matter. 45 is made for killing people.
Post by: BigGoonTuna on December 21, 2009, 10:39:07 PM
keep in mind that the '06 was designed back in the day when you had horses on the battlefield. it was a big game cartridge from the beginning!
Post by: addicted on December 22, 2009, 01:46:02 AM
keep in mind that the '06 was designed back in the day when you had horses on the battlefield. it was a big game cartridge from the beginning!
good point.
Post by: superdown on December 22, 2009, 09:24:15 AM
Post by: chrisb on December 22, 2009, 12:27:42 PM
I put one round of 7.62 thru my new ss m77 mkII 308 and had to cycle the bolt 3-4 times pretty harshly to get the spent case out so that was enough for to never do that again .
That's good enough for me to not try it at all then.
Post by: addicted on December 22, 2009, 12:47:09 PM
I put one round of 7.62 thru my new ss m77 mkII 308 and had to cycle the bolt 3-4 times pretty harshly to get the spent case out so that was enough for to never do that again .
That's good enough for me to not try it at all then.
ditto
Post by: Aperson on December 22, 2009, 10:39:23 PM
They also wanted to brake down on the noise that the .06 makes(fired it many times, and is really loud). But it still has more stopping power then most sniper rounds these days(and it can match a .50 in range, seen it done).
And, just so you know, i'm telling you what i know, my opinoin, and from what my dad has told me(who is hoping to retire as a Lt. Col. in the next year). So, i do apologize if anyone knows differently, just telling you, what i know.
Post by: Alchase on December 23, 2009, 01:13:54 PM
You can find stories about how Soldiers of (pick any battle..the latest being Foluga) picking up the enemies weapon during a firefight "because of a lack in stopping power of the 5.56" Sorry but these stories are like fish stories and anyone who has had to rely on the weapon for survival to throw down there own weapon for some unknown shooter regardless of caliber is just plain ridicules.
Carry an M14 around for awhile with two hundred rounds of ammo
Here is a quote from wiki, Stoner believed and proved this to be true.
"Fighting between the ground and similarity groups reached a peak in the early 1960s, when test after test showed the .223 Remington round fired from the AR-15 allowed an 8-soldier unit to outgun an 11-soldier unit armed with M14s. U.S. troops were able to carry more 5.56x45mm NATO ammunition which would allow them a better advantage against a typical NVA unit armed with AK-47s. In 1964, the U.S. Army started replacing their M14s with the M16"
Post by: chrisb on December 23, 2009, 02:13:14 PM
7.62 to 5.56 was mainly considered because of weight savings. The more weight a soldier can eliminate from the weapon the more rounds that soldier can carry and the fact more soldiers can put more rounds on target with a lighter faster round with less recoil.
You can find stories about how Soldiers of (pick any battle..the latest being Foluga) picking up the enemies weapon during a firefight "because of a lack in stopping power of the 5.56" Sorry but these stories are like fish stories and anyone who has had to rely on the weapon for survival to throw down there own weapon for some unknown shooter regardless of caliber is just plain ridicules.
Carry an M14 around for awhile with two hundred rounds of ammo
Here is a quote from wiki, Stoner believed and proved this to be true.
"Fighting between the ground and similarity groups reached a peak in the early 1960s, when test after test showed the .223 Remington round fired from the AR-15 allowed an 8-soldier unit to outgun an 11-soldier unit armed with M14s. U.S. troops were able to carry more 5.56x45mm NATO ammunition which would allow them a better advantage against a typical NVA unit armed with AK-47s. In 1964, the U.S. Army started replacing their M14s with the M16"
What does this have to do with the original question? I'm sorry not trying to be rude i just don't see the connection.