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Title: wool
Post by: jackelope on December 21, 2009, 01:36:51 PM
how waterproof is a pair of wool pants gonna be...??


Title: Re: wool
Post by: coop2424 on December 21, 2009, 01:43:15 PM
It really depends on how thick they are or how tight the weeve is.  The benefit with them is that they dry out really quick and are still warm even if they are wet.  I personally wear wool in every type of condition and do not think I will ever change.  I hunted in very wet snow this year with wool and it never got wet all the way through but did have snow sticking to the wool..
Title: Re: wool
Post by: tomy salami on December 21, 2009, 01:44:07 PM
Not like a rubber set of Grundens, but when coupled with polypro skivies.....comfy.

Depends what you are doin. I love wool. The only time I do not wear em now, without an outer layer of raingear, is when I plan on sitting in the driftboat all day. Sitting in a puddle do get old.

If you are on the move, wool is the best.

Even cheap ones don't do to bad, Codet lasted long time, Filson aint too bad either.
Title: Re: wool
Post by: Mike450r on December 21, 2009, 01:45:02 PM
not waterproof at all really, somewhat resistant I suppose,  will shed a damn sight more water than cotton though.  Wool is good for maintaining your body temp while wet where cotton will lower your body temp when wet.
Title: Re: wool
Post by: croix on December 21, 2009, 01:46:17 PM
There is nothing waterproof about plain ol' wool. The good news is that it's warm even when it's wet. The bad news is that it weighs roughly 47 times as much wet as it does dry.

There are some wool products which include dry-plus or similar linings that keep the moisture from reaching your skin. I haven't tried any of them though. For me (just another opinion) if it's warm enough to rain then it's too warm for wool. I've worn my wool in some pretty heavy snowfall and eventually it will soak through. It takes forever to dry too. It is still my clothing of choice for cold weather hunting though.
Title: Re: wool
Post by: Ray on December 21, 2009, 01:48:26 PM
Wool is not waterproof.
Title: Re: wool
Post by: tomy salami on December 21, 2009, 01:57:27 PM
Not technically waterproof.

Will keep you alive, and comfortable in the cold and the wet.............gramps was rarely wrong.

Sheds reasonable amount of water, breathes, takes a beatin, stays warm, smells kinda funny after awhile.....what is not to like?

Chicks dig it too........nother subject.
Title: Re: wool
Post by: Caseyd on December 21, 2009, 01:57:40 PM
Forgot my gortex pants once  :bash:

Snowmobiled in a pair of wool bibs. Only downside is i was covered in snowballs. Looked like some 1st grader had glued hundreds of cottonballs to me  :yike:
Title: Re: wool
Post by: tomy salami on December 21, 2009, 02:02:42 PM
Sleds + wind + wool..........never found out what that equaled.

Gramps did not have sleds.
Title: Re: wool
Post by: jackelope on December 21, 2009, 02:10:41 PM
maybe "waterproof" was not the best choice of word to use.

it sounds like i should not expect it to keep me dry.


Title: Re: wool
Post by: WDFW-SUX on December 21, 2009, 02:14:05 PM
Dry No, Warm yes..
Title: Re: wool
Post by: hoytem on December 21, 2009, 02:18:59 PM
i stay fairly dry in the snow with my columbia pants and always warm i love wool
Title: Re: wool
Post by: rasbo on December 21, 2009, 02:25:43 PM
I hate the feel of wool drives me nuts.I heard there is some wool that is not itchy.
Title: Re: wool
Post by: boneaddict on December 21, 2009, 02:26:35 PM
If you are in the hardcore stuff, wool is your friend.  Wouldn't trust my life on anything else.  
Title: Re: wool
Post by: jackelope on December 21, 2009, 02:31:25 PM
I hate the feel of wool drives me nuts.I heard there is some wool that is not itchy.

smartwool.
or merino wool maybe...
Title: Re: wool
Post by: Shootmoore on December 21, 2009, 02:32:51 PM
If you are in the hardcore stuff, wool is your friend. Wouldn't trust my life on anything else.  

Pretty much this, the fancy stuff is designed to keep you dry to keep you warm.  If it fails or you work up a sweat underneath it, does not do a lot of good.

Wool keeps you warm in the wet, plus it is naturally quite, does not need to be quite +.  I have been using the set from Columbia, good wool at a reasonable price.  I also own several pair of German wool military pants, worth there weight in gold if you can find them.  I have started adding underarmor cold gear for when it really gets frigid with good results combined with the wool.

Shootmoore
Title: Re: wool
Post by: rasbo on December 21, 2009, 02:33:55 PM
I hate the feel of wool drives me nuts.I heard there is some wool that is not itchy.

smartwool.
or merino wool maybe...

cabelas is supposed to have it,I was going to buy it for montana,but not working, the arctic pants work good for now.
Title: Re: wool
Post by: boneaddict on December 21, 2009, 02:41:27 PM
Way I figure it, if my grandfather can spend the entire winter in the Pasayten in a pair of wool pants, then I ought to be able to trust it.   Course, I wouldn't want to smell those pants after that winter.  They used to make real men back in those days.  Now I wear thermals underneath mine just to keep the itch down. 
Title: Re: wool
Post by: tomy salami on December 21, 2009, 02:49:16 PM
The itch...........the musty smell..........the way they can stretch out after a couple of years of beatin on em....

Hard to get dead from exposure in WA from woolies.

Merino and its blends are for socks, maybe undergarments,.....sweaters if you like em. Give me coarse, thick virgin strands for the exterior. Pants, jacktet, hat.

Gramps always knew what time it was.
Title: Re: wool
Post by: rasbo on December 21, 2009, 02:51:23 PM
Way I figure it, if my grandfather can spend the entire winter in the Pasayten in a pair of wool pants, then I ought to be able to trust it.   Course, I wouldn't want to smell those pants after that winter.  They used to make real men back in those days.  Now I wear thermals underneath mine just to keep the itch down. 
theres still plenty of real men out there.I used to freeze my ass off calling dogs in SE Idaho and couldn't afford the good stuff.An old sheep herder said I was nuts and gave me a pair of goose down quilted long under wear,wow was that great,we became pretty good friends.It was cool he lived in a wagon kinda like the old wagon trains except on wheels
Title: Re: wool
Post by: Ray on December 21, 2009, 02:51:59 PM
Wool is usually a good choice of product.

I just picked up one of these pullovers recently. Put a thin layer underneath if you don't like scratchiness. Made in USA.

http://www.gfredasbell.com/gfa_wool_clothing.php

Title: Re: wool
Post by: rasbo on December 21, 2009, 02:55:17 PM
Wool is usually a good choice of product.

I just picked up one of these pullovers recently. Put a thin layer underneath if you don't like scratchiness. Made in USA.

http://www.gfredasbell.com/gfa_wool_clothing.php


I really like how quiet wool is ,im thinking polor tech undergarments that I have will work for the itchies
Title: Re: wool
Post by: tomy salami on December 21, 2009, 02:58:53 PM
Helly Hansen poly pros..........when they are on sale at the outlet in Chehalis, is one of the best undergarments to team up with woollies.

Got a set for 20 bucks top and bottom, seven years ago. Still use em regularly.

Glad to see somebody other than Filson makes wool gear here.
Title: Re: wool
Post by: MagKarl on December 21, 2009, 04:03:15 PM
To me there's nothing better than cold wooly days in the woods.  Getting the wool out is one of my favorite things about the late season hunts.  I wear wool shirts and sweaters but save the pants and coat till it's colder, usually not too wet if it's cold enough for the heavy wool.  It sheds water better than cotton, doesn't get clammy, and dries a lot faster.  I sweat like a pig, something magic about wool is it somehow keeps me warm and still breathes well enough to keep me reasonably dry.  I didn't like wool much when I was young, but I sure do now.  Add that to the ever growing list of stuff my dad and grandpa were right about after all. 
Title: Re: wool
Post by: sako223 on December 21, 2009, 04:41:29 PM
I love wool from the Merino socks and long johns out. Also have a layer of silk. With these there is a very broad temperature comfort range. Also no binding or itching. If you work up a sweat  there is no chill period when stopped.
Like has been mentioned some brands have water repelling treatment or fabric barriers. You can almost go broke on the good stuff with carbon and kevlar.
Title: Re: wool
Post by: mossback91 on December 21, 2009, 04:50:33 PM
Grew up wearing wool on the wet and snowy days!!
Friends call me paul bunyon but hey Im the one that  is warm and dry underneath my clothes at the end of the day!! :IBCOOL:

Noticed my outerlayers will get wet but will keep it from getting my long johns wet!! wear wool longjohns also!!
Cool thing is you can usually chake some of the water out of your wool! Sometimes get a little wet in the shoulders on a long rainy day though but never cold

I like the new cabelas wooltimate with windshear gear alot also.
Title: Re: wool
Post by: actionshooter on December 21, 2009, 07:59:48 PM
My socks and thermals are merino wool, comfy, warm and won't stink even after 4 days of hiking my tail off.   :)
Title: Re: wool
Post by: mkcj on December 21, 2009, 08:24:36 PM
One of the biggest things to me is wool does not "wick" moisture if I'm in a foot of snow they will only get damp to that point the water will not travel up to my knee's and beyond. like others I have had my filson and woolrich for close to 20 years now.
Title: Re: wool
Post by: 300rum on December 21, 2009, 09:05:11 PM
There is nothing better on the market than wool period.  I wear a pair of underarmour long johns to keep the itch away.  Normally I wouldn't pay so much for long John's but someone gave them to me as a gift and I must admit they are pretty good. 
Water will bead up on top of wool for awhile and then in very wet conditions it eventually will soak in but as everyone said wool will stay warm as long as you are wearing it.  There is nothing quieter than wool.  In snow it will stick to you.  When wet, wool becomes very heavy.  Another thing I don't like is that whenever you touch your britches your hands are wet as the rain/snow beads up on the outside.
I would personally stay away from anything that has a liner, either gortex lined wool or a jacket that has a cotton or poly type liner.  The liner takes away from what wool will do for you naturally as far as getting wet goes and the liners are loud.
A couple of suggestions with wool.  Most wool is dry clean only but I wash it anyway and just let it air dry.  It can take a day or so to dry, just keep that in mind.  I haven't had trouble with it shrinking too much if I let it air dry and wash in cold water.  I wear my wool pants a tad short in the legs, you don't want them bunched up or dragging or latching on to more water and mud as the mud kind of cakes on.
Title: Re: wool
Post by: mazama on December 25, 2009, 06:46:39 PM
Have many articles of wool,in weather 25-65degrees i like wipcord wool,which i lightweight tightweave,they look like dress slacks i put different weights of long underwear on to adjust for temperature.IF it gets real cold heavy weight Filson.While hunting in a light rain i got tired of rain runing off goretex coat i ended up throwing in bushes and just wearing Filson wool coat,stayed warm and dry.
Title: Re: wool
Post by: sisu on December 25, 2009, 07:09:45 PM
I have given up on polypro underware; I go exclusively with merino wool long johns, short sleeve & long sleeve T-shirts, silk liner socks with wool socks over them in cold temps, if not cold then just wool socks.

Rasbo, a wool thong is probably not intended for outdoor use.
Title: Re: wool
Post by: woodswalker on December 25, 2009, 09:22:37 PM
  I didn't like wool much when I was young, but I sure do now.  Add that to the ever growing list of stuff my dad and grandpa were right about after all. 

 :yeah:
Title: Re: wool
Post by: stumprat on December 26, 2009, 12:03:43 AM
how waterproof is a pair of wool pants gonna be...??





Back to the original question :chuckle:
I wear wool alot. Socks, Woolrich shirts, Codet pants, Filson coat.
They are NOT waterproof. But very water resistant. I can hunt in wool all day in a steady drizzle and still be minimally damp. And warm.

If you sit on something wet. Wool will soak through. You can't expect wool to replace raingear. But I don't think that is what your question meant.
Title: Re: wool
Post by: SmithCreek on December 26, 2009, 06:57:26 PM
I think my late uncle Don put it best:  "with wool, even when you're cold and wet, you're always warm & dry..."

I wore wool this elk season (rifle) in pacific county during some pretty heavy rain and did fine but its like another poster said, you have to keep moving...
Title: Re: wool
Post by: Mike_D on January 07, 2010, 04:21:20 PM
seems if you paired up wool with some quiet rain gear... you'd be set for most conditions.... :dunno:
Title: Re: wool
Post by: jackelope on January 07, 2010, 04:45:08 PM
i was gonna update this thread today.
i took some cabelas git card money and bought myself a pair of the wooltimate pants in the outfitter camo color. they are really nice pants. i got them yesterday and haven't really had any opportunity to really try them out aside from a long walk with the dog last night. it was about 36-38 degrees and the pants are really warm. very comfortable and they hem them to whatever length that you want so they are long enough for me which is a bonus...plus they're on sale right now.
Title: Re: wool
Post by: JackOfAllTrades on January 07, 2010, 05:07:56 PM
I've been wearing a few pair of military surplus heavy wool pants from Northern Sales (DuffleBag) for the last 20 years. I've got a pair of thinner wool pants that I'll wear under Game Hide light rain gear that were my dad's so they're probably 30 years old and no stitches are wearing. They don't make things like they used to.  Last year I bought some Italian military surplus wool slacks for my sons. Compared to surplus cami's, they love those pants. Not extremely warm but much more quite. Cotton long johns and wools sox for us.

-Steve
Title: Re: wool
Post by: MAVsled on January 07, 2010, 07:59:42 PM
I have been very happy with my Gamehide brand of camo hunting clothes; quiet-waterproof-well designed= good stuff. But not wool.

this past season I added Cabelas Outfitter Wool camo to my hunting wardrobe. Water proof, quiet, warm and it is the best wool I've ever worn in the woods...mostly because its waterproof with the Cabelas Dry Plus membrane. And man, did it rain this past 2009 deer & elk season!
So pleased with it that a few days ago, I purchased my second set (pants-parka) at 60% off the early fall catalog pricing.

 
Title: Re: wool
Post by: HardCorpsHuntr on January 07, 2010, 09:31:22 PM
"Might as well have the best"

CC Filson

Screaming deal here.  Save $100.  I already have two double mackinaw cruisers and three vests - wife said "No" to me  :dunno: even though it's a different model. :chuckle:

http://www.territoryahead.com/jump.jsp?itemID=8687&itemType=PRODUCT&path=1%2C2%2C6%2C135%2C248&iProductID=8687&sortBy=Sort%20by&page=1&onePage=
Title: Re: wool
Post by: JackOfAllTrades on January 07, 2010, 09:47:57 PM
Actually, I should add that I wear some older shirt/jackets that are also surplus military wool. These are super soft and quiet and surprisingly they shed water well. They only have the two large chest pockes and not the lower waste pockets like the mackinaw jacket.

-Steve
Title: Re: wool
Post by: JackOfAllTrades on January 08, 2010, 07:55:28 AM
An even better buy on Filson Mackinaw if you're one of the smaller sizes:

http://www.midwayusa.com/viewproduct/?productnumber=2407145262

-Steve
Title: Re: wool
Post by: addicted on January 08, 2010, 08:03:38 AM
several of my buddies have ordered thew whipcord stuff from cabelas and they say it holds up pretty well.
Title: Re: wool
Post by: Cylvertip on January 08, 2010, 09:04:30 AM
 :bash: :bash: :bash: Midway's sold out and Territory Ahead only has to 44 - need  46 minimum :bash: :bash:

Been jones'in after the cruiser for a while, now these great sales and nothing I can use.  :bash: :bash: I think the Double Mackinaw would be too warm for me to wear more than once every couple of years.
Title: Re: wool
Post by: JackOfAllTrades on January 08, 2010, 09:14:24 AM
Quote
need  46 minimum


Welcome to my world! When I'm in the market, I often have difficulty finding the correct size in just about anything I want.

-Steve
Title: Re: wool
Post by: huntnphool on January 08, 2010, 10:16:02 AM
I have a couple pair of the insulated wool pants from the army, I can hardly wear them because they are too warm. I have used them in heavy rain and Jack and never gotten wet even when sitting. Hard to believe they work that well and are as cheap as they are.
Title: Re: wool
Post by: tlbradford on January 08, 2010, 10:48:17 AM
There is nothing else I would wear under my hip waders when winter steelheading.  Especially if you get a little daring and get a little water over the top of your boots.  It doesn't ruin your day and make you head for home.  I like the heavy Filson pants.  Get a great belt or use suspenders because they weigh a ton. 
Title: Re: wool
Post by: halflife65 on January 12, 2010, 07:26:57 AM
An even better buy on Filson Mackinaw if you're one of the smaller sizes:

http://www.midwayusa.com/viewproduct/?productnumber=2407145262

-Steve

I have one of those that I used to wear and it's certainly warm.  I only wear it now in the worst of conditions or when I'm going a short distance and just sitting and glassing because I get too hot in it and I now have clothes that are much lighter in weight and pack down better if I put them in my pack.  It's a quality built piece of clothing, though.
Title: Re: wool
Post by: Elklassie on January 13, 2010, 12:42:14 PM
Columbia's Gallatin wool pants have been good to me in temperatures from 60 to -25.  Long underwear is a must, though.
Title: Re: wool
Post by: Cylvertip on January 19, 2010, 11:10:08 PM
Filson  - EBAY - got two Mackinaw Cruisers over the last two weeks.  An old lighter weight one with a one small hole and one loose pocket seam for $66 in green, and a newer one, again with one small hole for $112, again in green.  :IBCOOL: The best deals in pants still looks to be the sites talked about earlier in this thread.
Title: Re: wool
Post by: Intruder on January 22, 2010, 09:33:54 AM
Didn't read all posts so someone may have mentioned this already.  Wool doesn't absorb as much water either.  It's lil' more absorbant than most flees but way less than cotton.
Title: Re: wool
Post by: CastleRocker on January 24, 2010, 07:45:51 PM
I've been preaching the benefits of wool forever.  So glad there are others out there that are believers.

For most of my other wool stuff, I buy it through the Sportsman's Guide, in the military surplus catalog.  The 100% stuff from the Swiss army is pretty good.

Does anyone know where to find the 100% wool black long-johns?  I've worn the last set I had out.  I used to wear them every day under my Grundens raingear.  They have so many patches and darnings in them, that I'd like to find a new pair.  I've found the grey 80/20 ones, but can't seem to find the black "virgin wool" ones.

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