Post by: Mr Mykiss on December 22, 2009, 11:06:57 AM
Post by: Snowman on December 22, 2009, 11:08:45 AM
Post by: jackelope on December 22, 2009, 11:12:48 AM
Post by: turbociv922001 on December 22, 2009, 11:15:07 AM
Post by: Shootmoore on December 22, 2009, 11:15:20 AM
Shootmoore
Post by: turbociv922001 on December 22, 2009, 11:18:50 AM
Post by: Snowman on December 22, 2009, 11:28:33 AM
Post by: Alchase on December 22, 2009, 01:14:00 PM
Speaking of get jiggy, Have a good day. My rods on the proch with a jig tied on an now going to get some bait outta the frige an go for a walk to the fishing hole. Rivers high an should be a little dirty the way I like it! Will post some pics if I hook into anything!! :fishin: :brew: :) Later.
Man that is just plain mean, lol
Post by: Shootmoore on December 22, 2009, 01:18:22 PM
That is one I have not tried yet, what jigs and color do you guys prefer?
Depends on the river, turbidity etc. As a general rule for steelies I usually like to make sure I have Red, Black, Purple and White in my tacklebox.
Post by: boneaddict on December 22, 2009, 01:29:08 PM
Post by: ribka on December 22, 2009, 01:39:39 PM
Post by: Snowman on December 22, 2009, 06:17:26 PM
Also yellow, an a few shades of orange. :) Going to hit it right at daylight. River is going to drop tonite an I want a metal head!!!! :EAT:That is one I have not tried yet, what jigs and color do you guys prefer?
Depends on the river, turbidity etc. As a general rule for steelies I usually like to make sure I have Red, Black, Purple and White in my tacklebox.
Post by: D-Rock425 on December 22, 2009, 06:33:06 PM
Post by: tomy salami on December 22, 2009, 07:07:05 PM
Do not use them in water with visibility of 3 feet or greater, in boulder gardens, or when fish are spooky.
Conditions like that call for: huge winged bobbers, buoying an obese wad of eggs......with a bolt of 1/4" solid core.
Post by: Bofire on December 22, 2009, 07:22:41 PM
Carl
Post by: turbociv922001 on December 22, 2009, 07:32:44 PM
Post by: Stomper on December 22, 2009, 07:38:42 PM
Post by: turbociv922001 on December 22, 2009, 08:18:24 PM
Post by: tomy salami on December 22, 2009, 08:26:56 PM
fished on 100Lb. Braid right Tony?
Carl
You know it. Hi Viz Tuff Line.
Drift fish those riggins witha broom stick and a 6500 series abu. Prepare for war.
Aforementioned set up will break the neck of any brat upon hookset........you just get the honor of crankin in the carcass.
That is finesse fishing, eh?
Bobbers were cheerleaders, and jigs are for lings.
Post by: huntnphool on December 23, 2009, 12:13:59 AM
Post by: turbociv922001 on December 23, 2009, 10:57:19 AM
Post by: turbociv922001 on December 23, 2009, 04:59:43 PM
Post by: tomy salami on December 23, 2009, 05:17:15 PM
They must........ you're the one with the confirmed picture of a monsterbeast.
Post by: huntnphool on December 23, 2009, 05:27:18 PM
Post by: turbociv922001 on December 23, 2009, 08:31:09 PM
and yes, they chow those candy lookin things, salami lol. but the beast was caught on a salad shrimp.
Post by: fishcrazy on December 23, 2009, 10:06:27 PM
I just like to feel the take and running floats for steelhead just don't do it for me. For me it's not just about putting another fish in the box. That's the easy part! After all if presented properly steelhead would eat a rock.
If the water is low and clear I go small. 4 lb line and tiny bait. Now that is fishing with a challenge.
At the Sportsmans show you will see several guys that make some really awsome jigs!!! Give 'em a try.
Kris
Post by: BigGoonTuna on December 23, 2009, 10:13:04 PM
i toss them around sometimes, but it's my third least favorite way to fish for steelhead, next to pulling plugs and plunking.
Post by: WAcoueshunter on December 23, 2009, 10:17:20 PM
Post by: Shootmoore on December 23, 2009, 10:25:22 PM
Shootmoore
Post by: turbociv922001 on December 23, 2009, 11:56:44 PM
Post by: fishcrazy on December 24, 2009, 07:44:11 AM
challenge of drift fishing??? whats the challenge? think its harder to get one floating a jig then drifting a nice bait through a hole :dunno:
The challenge comes when the water is ultra low and clear and 99% of guys can't catch one without training wheels (jigs) The 2# or 4# line allows the presentation of a tiny home brewed bait with out the float. Getting a steelhead is not really a challenge. Like I said they would eat a rock if presented right.
I'll even run the 4# in the winter just for fun. surprising how many more fish I hook and land just because of dropping line sizes.
I'm not mocking jig fishing you just won't find me doing it. I've had 1 or 2 days on the water when a jig fisherman actually out fished me. but I was pretty new.
Funny thing is I love to run a gob of eggs under float for kings. :dunno:
I enjoy looking at jigs that are hand made. Some guys make them soooo fishy looking!
I have tied some of my own but made them with no lead and made them float so I could drift fish them. HANG ON!!!
Kris
Post by: BLUEBULLS on December 24, 2009, 08:48:52 AM
I saw that article too. I actually just took a bunch of money from the guy who wrote it...
Terrible dice player. :chuckle:
by the way, good article and pictures. ;)
Post by: turbociv922001 on December 24, 2009, 04:26:22 PM
Post by: huntnphool on December 24, 2009, 04:35:54 PM
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I'm not mocking jig fishing
No, not at all :chuckle:
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99% of guys can't catch one without training wheels (jigs)
Post by: tmike on December 24, 2009, 04:56:22 PM
Post by: fishcrazy on December 24, 2009, 09:24:09 PM
pretty sure 2# and 4# is nothing new. thanks though. :o
Who said anything about being new? :chuckle: :'(
No it's not new but to me more of a challenge and fun than jigs. What ever floats yer boat and catches fish as long as a guy is having fun. That is what we are all out for isn't it?
They work and work great if it's what a guy wants to use. I enjoy seing people get fish on them
I use to know a guy that made jigs that you would swear were alive. Not sure what ever happend to him. I think he called them Osprey jigs or something like that. I don't fish jigs so I never kept up with him.
why the nit picking on what I have said? somebody got a bone to pick? Go fishing use a jig and let off some hot air.
Oh and salad shrimp are about as new as 4# line and summer runs.
Kris
Post by: Bofire on December 24, 2009, 09:30:52 PM
I also like my ambassaduer level wind and drifting bigger faster water. Sometimes a big spinning set up is the key.
Carl
Post by: turbociv922001 on December 24, 2009, 10:42:24 PM
Post by: tmike on December 24, 2009, 11:14:27 PM
Post by: Turkeyman on December 24, 2009, 11:56:54 PM
Post by: turbociv922001 on December 25, 2009, 12:01:52 AM
first of all i first learned drift fishing. works great
also use bobber and mostly worm
drift fishing WILL NOT OUTFISH BOBBER FISHING ANYDAY. AND THATS THAT. pretty wierd when u drift bait through a hole numerous times and get nothing. then float a pink worm or jig or whatever then land a 20lb steely then a 15. but what do i know. :'(
Post by: Turkeyman on December 25, 2009, 12:46:30 AM
Post by: fishcrazy on December 25, 2009, 08:40:09 AM
Like I said. I don't fish jigs. They are boring!!! I have caught hundreds of fish behind jig fisherman and probably had them catch hundreds behind me. :dunno:
I could care less if some one is better than me. OK big deal!! :cryriver: I know that when I go fishing I have fun and when I catch fish I respect them and don't drag them out of the water flopping around on the sand just to get a glory shot so I can brag and say "look at me" and put them back. I handle them with care. I have done volunteer work on rivers to help wild runs.
Fishing is not a competition for me. And Jigs don't take the skill level that drift fishing does. plain and simple. I have buddy's that fish them right next to me in my boat and catch fish. I enjoy seeing people catch fish if it's bait, corkies, jigs or on a fly.
Every dog has his day and it don't make them better than the one that's not.
Go fishing!!!! or hunting or what ever it is you do.
Anybody got picks of a favorite jig pattern they can post? maybe help out some of the guys intrested in trying them?
Kris
Post by: Shootmoore on December 25, 2009, 09:13:59 AM
They are all different tactics to use fishing and some like one better than others. Some people like having different techniques in the toolbox depending on the situation. I carry at least 2 rods, one with drift gear and one with a jig, sometimes a third rod with a spoon. All good and ethical tactics.
Instead of mine is better than yours, and yours sucks, how about we just spread the wealth of information on tips and tricks to each other then pick and choose which ones we want to try.
As someone else said above I think a bigger concern should be the lower escapement numbers and the reduction in production from the state in steelhead and salmon numbers. There is such a huge swing towards "native" fish only in the wdfw and if it continues with the current budget crunch neither technique may be viable in 10 years.
Merry Christmas and go bend a rod!
Shootmoore
Post by: tomy salami on December 25, 2009, 09:41:43 AM
Every method can be handicapped, mostly by whoever holds the rod.
Drift fishing can be handicapped, with the wrong amount of weight and size of drift bobber.
Jig fishing can be handicapped, if you have no idea hows to keep the riggins plumb.
Plug fishing can be handicapped, if you try using a chartreuse and silver Magnum Hotshot SE, for steely brats on Christmas Eve morning...........
Post by: huntnphool on December 25, 2009, 05:48:37 PM
Post by: M_ray on December 25, 2009, 06:26:56 PM
It is much publicized and has been debated many, many times by the experts and Drift fishing is the most difficult method because most don't feel the pick up, it is for me my favorite method but I like catching fish more than I like any particular method. The second most difficult method might surprise you but spoon fishing when done right is not as easy as it looks and IF done right under the right conditions will slay them. Most think it's not a difficult so they don't present their bait correctly but even done wrong will cover lots of water and produce but you will most likely miss many fish and not even know it. Bobber fishing is not difficult but you can still present your bait wrong either too shallow or too deep and if you don't use proper line control you will spook or miss fish completely. Plug fishing done wrong will also cover lots of water and still produce but if you have a good oarsman with excellent boat control you will do better than most but not hard to tell when you get a bite of coarse.
Bottom line is??? If you are stuck on one method you are missing opportunities period!!! Once you give into this fact and use what the water in front of you dictates then you will be one of the 10% of Steelheaders that catch 90% of the fish! ;)
Post by: MtnMuley on December 25, 2009, 06:38:34 PM
Post by: Turkeyman on December 25, 2009, 06:41:45 PM
Post by: tomy salami on December 25, 2009, 07:27:57 PM
If a chap is proficient with 3 different ways of fishing, and is very good with one, he will take 95% of the fishermen to the woodshed.
Floats, drift gear, hardware, plugs all have a time and a place. Knowin what the hell to do with them is another story.
Pick a poison, and get good at it. Have a home stretch of water, know it, its flows, its colors. Expand territory, and repeat.
It is not the tools, but it most certainly is the mechanic. Log it.
Post by: M_ray on December 25, 2009, 09:21:23 PM
Very well written M ray. :) Even the "oarsman" part!
:chuckle: I liked that part too! And believe me that is a big word for this guy with a little x-mas cheer in him!!! :chuckle:
Post by: WAcoueshunter on December 25, 2009, 09:29:06 PM
drift fishing WILL NOT OUTFISH BOBBER FISHING ANYDAY. AND THATS THAT. pretty wierd when u drift bait through a hole numerous times and get nothing. then float a pink worm or jig or whatever then land a 20lb steely then a 15. but what do i know. :'(
challenge of drift fishing??? whats the challenge? think its harder to get one floating a jig then drifting a nice bait through a hole
Hmmm, those two posts from you seem mutually exclusive, but mebbe I'm missing something? :dunno:
Post by: M_ray on December 25, 2009, 09:34:49 PM
drift fishing WILL NOT OUTFISH BOBBER FISHING ANYDAY. AND THATS THAT. pretty wierd when u drift bait through a hole numerous times and get nothing. then float a pink worm or jig or whatever then land a 20lb steely then a 15. but what do i know. :'(
challenge of drift fishing??? whats the challenge? think its harder to get one floating a jig then drifting a nice bait through a hole
Hmmm, those two posts from you seem mutually exclusive, but mebbe I'm missing something? :dunno:
You are not missing a thing :)
Post by: Snowman on December 25, 2009, 09:42:02 PM
So anyways. When using jigs and floats, the best float IMO is one that can slide up an down and use the thread knott bobber stopper. As u can adjust to any depth. The colors of jigs depend. Darker water use a dark colored jig an as the water clears up you can start using lighter colored jigs. Size of jigs do matter. I like the smaller jigs in low or clear water and the bigger jigs in darker waters. Floats an jigs lets you fish areas that have big boulders with ease.
Post by: h2ofowlr on December 25, 2009, 09:48:48 PM
Post by: huntnphool on December 25, 2009, 10:36:45 PM
Post by: huntnphool on December 26, 2009, 11:48:03 PM
Post by: Navyhunter on December 27, 2009, 07:27:06 AM
Thanks
Post by: LittleJohn on December 27, 2009, 07:50:07 AM
Post by: Navyhunter on December 27, 2009, 07:57:36 AM
Post by: M_ray on December 27, 2009, 09:55:53 AM
Post by: Shootmoore on December 27, 2009, 10:04:12 AM
I hit Blue Creek on the Cowlitz this morning (already). When using a jig and pink work (just had to try it), do you use any weight at all other than the jig itself? I was using a Maribou Jig (purple) and a floating pink worm....lost two jigs and two worms in about 1/2 hour. OR should I have used a bobber/jig setup? If someone could clear this up for me, I'd sure appreciate it.
Thanks
I don't know that stretch but if its really snaggy you might need to use a float. Using a jig on the rocks you need to make sure you run a tight line on the drift, I preffer a 9 foot rod when bank fishing jigs, allows me to keep more line off the water. As you feel the jig touch the bottom I prefer to use a sharp upward jig and then real down to take up the slack, its a rapid jigging motion depending on the amount of current. But the goal is to keep the jig close to the bottom without letting it bottom bounce on its own like you would with a corky drift. You want to keep the slack out of the line as it seems 90% of the strikes will be on the down drift of the jig. I know many times if I am not keeping the line slack out enough I find that I don't feel the next rock bounce because a metalhead has slurped up the jig on the down flutter.
That being said fishing jigs on the rocks is a snaggy proposition which is why I tie my own, much cheaper..
Fishing pink worms I usually tie up a marabou hook with a cheater float (looks like a corky but more buoyant and rig it Carolina style and fish it like I would a corky. Good luck and way to try new things for fishing. Its part of the fun in book, learning new baits and techniques to bend the rod.
Shootmoore
Post by: huntnphool on December 27, 2009, 10:21:26 AM
Oh, right, yep....a cheater float....I have no idea what you're talking about. :)
I will be using these.
Post by: Navyhunter on December 27, 2009, 02:16:17 PM
Post by: BigGoonTuna on December 27, 2009, 05:24:24 PM
Post by: Navyhunter on December 27, 2009, 10:24:12 PM
What about Mission? How's that? Fished for trout there a couple times with my dad but haven't been back in 15 years or so.
Post by: Mr Mykiss on December 29, 2009, 10:13:12 AM
I have a sweet drift fishing set up and I usually just end up carrying it around with me when I'm out on the river. Probably because I'm a better bobber fisherman but I should try drifting more often. When I do drift I drift a rag and do pretty well.
As somebody said people are defending what they're comfortable with. It would be fun the have a competition between drift and bobber fishing. However that's hard to do because a lot will depend on the knowledge of said drift/jig fisherman, who gets first cast etc.
that being said the representative drift fisherman in this discussion said it best when he said: Fishing isn't a competition. 8)
Post by: Navyhunter on December 29, 2009, 12:39:08 PM
I, personally, got skunked this morning. Saw two guys in different boats land steelhead and the guy in the wheelchair at the boat launch caught a hog..... :bash:
Tried the jig a bit, water was a bit shallow for what I was trying to do...Blue creek is probably fished best with corkie/yarn, eggs, etc. :twocents: But what do I know? ;)
Thanks again, everyone, for your assistance. I, at least, know another setup for fishing these closed-mouth fish.
Post by: Shootmoore on December 30, 2009, 10:06:48 AM
Hit Blue creek again and met up with a guy from Lynnwood. He set me up with a couple corkies, showed me how to tie an egg-loop knot and tied a rig on for me start to finish. I'm not a complete idiot when it comes to fishing, but he showed me a couple things I didn't know. I AM, however an complete idiot when it comes to drift fishing. I can't feel anything! It's probably the pole (8'6" ugly stick/medium) and it might be the line (braided, because that's what was on it when I was in Cuba). Guy said to "get rid of that chit, it's no good."
I, personally, got skunked this morning. Saw two guys in different boats land steelhead and the guy in the wheelchair at the boat launch caught a hog..... :bash:
Tried the jig a bit, water was a bit shallow for what I was trying to do...Blue creek is probably fished best with corkie/yarn, eggs, etc. :twocents: But what do I know? ;)
Thanks again, everyone, for your assistance. I, at least, know another setup for fishing these closed-mouth fish.
And that right there should be the point of this post. Use the gear and tactics for the water your fishing.
Shootmoore
Post by: huntnphool on January 05, 2010, 09:28:25 PM
Post by: Alchase on January 06, 2010, 09:12:18 AM
When fishing jigs and using a float and weights, doesn't that make it difficult to cast?
I think I may be missing something in the description and obviously I have yet to try jigging. I will have to give it a try. Besides it gives me an excuse to buy more fishing stuff, lol
What river is that? If you do not mind my asking, I understand if you do.
Post by: Shootmoore on January 06, 2010, 09:16:58 AM
Nice fish!
When fishing jigs and using a float and weights, doesn't that make it difficult to cast?
I think I may be missing something in the description and obviously I have yet to try jigging. I will have to give it a try. Besides it gives me an excuse to buy more fishing stuff, lol
What river is that? If you do not mind my asking, I understand if you do.
sliding float, keeps from to much line being out and still allowing you to get enough depth as needed.
Ok here is a little secret going to put it out there. I see a lot of guys just casting out and just letting the float drift along. Keep your line tight to the float and as much as possible out of the water (longer the rod the easier). Jig the float which in turns gives more action to the jig underwater. It will alot of times cause that strike where a "dead jig" floating by will not.
Nice fish huntphool!
Shootmoore
Post by: Bearhunter on January 06, 2010, 09:32:28 AM
Post by: Alchase on January 06, 2010, 09:37:52 AM
I was talking with an older gentleman the other day on the Puyallup/carbon, youwas saying he added weight between the jig and the float as needed, using approximately 6 ft leader.
Post by: huntnphool on January 06, 2010, 11:13:43 AM