Post by: addicted on December 25, 2009, 12:11:03 PM
i was thinking
kimber 84 montana(5lb 4oz, mauser action, synthetic, stainless....covers some of the criteria)
.338 federal(plenty big enough to wack anything in north america and slow enough not to blow up a smaller animal. lots of bullet choices)
Schmidt and Bender Classic Variable Power 4-16x50 A9 Riflescope(good power variation and great light transmission for low light, very dependable)
DNZ one peice mount/rings
So whats your fantasy mountain rifle? dont hold back lol.
Post by: jdb on December 25, 2009, 01:14:22 PM
Post by: grousetracker on December 25, 2009, 01:34:34 PM
Post by: sako223 on December 25, 2009, 01:44:57 PM
Second choice Sako Finnlight in .300 WM over 6 lbs. Probably a Zeiss 3.5-10 with Z600 or 800 reticle. I had one in .30-06 and sold it.
Post by: GEARHEAD on December 25, 2009, 01:51:00 PM
i bought a stainless remington 700 in 300 wsm., i replaced the stock, sending the rifle to a company in Montana called Lone Wolf rifle stocks. i chose their stock called the summit, super light weight and full size, had them bed it for me too. in the meantime, i got aluminum rings from tactical precision, and for a scope i put a leupold 2.5x8 with bdc reticle. the gun weighs almost two pounds less than stadard weight guns and shoots sub minute, so far a 3.5 group at 475 yards, with can ya believe it factory federals accubonds.
Post by: norsepeak on December 25, 2009, 01:54:12 PM
Post by: JackOfAllTrades on December 25, 2009, 02:33:52 PM
For Billies/Rams I want something light. Total weight at less than 7.5lbs. 270winAI would be plenty fine. Two schools of thought here are all weather SS, or virtually disposable, as a rifle in this environment can take a serious beating. For the latter a Marlin XL7 would be quite adequate. The Savage Weather Warrior 116FCSS in the same cal. Both with Leupold glass. VX3 in 4-12x50. Both have light accurate barrels.
For Elk/Bear, although light is nice, the terrain isn't usually quite as steep or high as goat country. A little more weight is OK. I'm a Ruger fan but I don't really like the SS77II series. I'd prefer the older R77 tang safey series with the factory varmint trigger or a Timney. Shillen or comparable SS fluted barrel. Ruger scope mounts are second to none. Leupold VX3 glass again. 338winmag or something like a 338Lapua or the 358Norma or the 358 Shooting Times Alaskan. Leupold glass. VX3 in 4-12x50. I could go with an older Browning A-bolt or Win70 too. Newer Tikka?
I bet most reading this thread are thinking Bolt gun.. Elk/Bear, I'd love to have a Marlin XLR in 444marlin. Keep the iron sights or put a ghost ring sight on the rear. I love wood furnature, but I'd like a composite grip on the lever gun. I would also like the extended magazine tube for two more rounds.
While the Weatherby's, Kimbers, or other high dollar actions are precious, If I'm building a combination of action and aftermarket barrel/trigger, I see no need to buy a high dollar rifle just to dismantle it. European glass is also great, but I'd be fine with Leupold.
-Steve
Post by: DOUBLELUNG on December 25, 2009, 05:04:09 PM
Post by: carpsniperg2 on December 25, 2009, 05:09:43 PM
I just went with a S.S. Tikka T3 lite. Gonna give it a try unmodified to start and then go from there. Dropped a Leupold VX3 4.5-14x40 CDS on it with Leupold rings. Gun is light and comfortable, stainless, synthetic and it's in 7mag. Gonna give it a trial run in August in Ak for Dall's sheep.
good choice, love the sako tika lines i would of went to the 300 wsm or 300 win mag but 7mm will cover the animals around here
Post by: norsepeak on December 25, 2009, 05:11:20 PM
Post by: mazama on December 25, 2009, 06:20:12 PM
Post by: Bofire on December 25, 2009, 06:26:32 PM
Carl
Post by: woodswalker on December 25, 2009, 07:52:00 PM
Post by: jackelope on December 25, 2009, 08:32:57 PM
as far as rifle goes, that browning a-bolt Ti is a good rig and the weight is right too.
p.s. addicted, i hope the kimber copy you get shoots...some do and some don't...especially the lite ones.
Post by: actionshooter on December 25, 2009, 08:53:21 PM
I've built one thats a bit over, 7.3#.
Its a lightened action Win 70 action, milled every ounce possible out of it. Fluted stainless barrel in .300WM, Mcmillian lightweight stock, Talley one piece ring/ base.
Lupy Varix3 4.5-14x40 standard. I'm thining about re-barreling this one into .264 win mag.
My 2nd rifle is a Browning Titanum in 7wsm, another Lupy VX3 4.5-14x40 in Talleys. This one for sale as I really don't care for it.
My current lightweight project is a Kimber Montana in 7WSM, I'll use the tlleys again and I haven't decided on optics yet, but I'm gonna lean toward a true lightweight scope, maybe a fixed 6x, still thinking about it.
I wanted 7wsm, but they didn't offer that caliber...it's a very lite gun, can't wait to break her inI wanted one in 7wsm and was pretty bummed when I found out they never chambered that round. As far as I'm concerned the 7wsm is an awesome caliber that never really caught on.
Post by: GEARHEAD on December 25, 2009, 09:01:15 PM
Post by: mossback91 on December 25, 2009, 09:02:57 PM
Post by: Bighorse on December 25, 2009, 09:51:23 PM
My next favorite is my Ruger M77 25-06. That thing is a tank!
Big optics, lights stocks, fancy barrels........well lets just say I don't need em to get the job done right. Both of my alpine irons have pulled off some ridiculously awesome shots.
Gentlemen.....if you got the money please enjoy your purchases. For the rest of my hard working or hardly working hunting brethren......please enjoy what you already got.
Whatever you do get yourself to a gym, track, pool or local mountain and get some time on your legs. Practice your shots and spend your money on transportation and tags. Get your self a good backpack and some boots. Get-er-done!
Post by: JackOfAllTrades on December 25, 2009, 10:26:52 PM
Yes, the Leup 3.6-10x50 VX7 is a lot heavier at +9 ounces over the heavier Burris, so you are correct in that scope selection can be a major part of how much a completed mountain rifle ends up weighing. I think there's middle ground for light gathering, magnification, that fits a mountain rifle but there's a lot of room for personal preference. There is room for shaving some weight though.
ActionShooter has a great thing going in that Win70 action as long as the smith knows where to mill off metal that won't weaken the action with a magnum round that develops more than 65,000psi.
I am really surprised that more people don't state or pay attention to fire control in their hunting rifle. Common place in target arms. But if you're going to build your ultimate rifle, then spend the extra required on a trigger job. Most factory triggers suck. One of the reasons I mentioned the Marlin and Savage. Excellent trigger function.
Nothing here about controlled feed or push feed actions. One mention about short action. (usually lighter) Nothing here about blind box magazines, removable clips, or open floor plates. Personally, I'd like that Marlin or Savage to have a removable clip. The Tikka does. The older Ruger77 has a hinged floorplate. Those Remington owners must be OK with blind box magazines. This does usually lead to a stiffer action and less weight since strength doesn't need to be designed in elsewhere. Nothing here about fluted or jeweled bolts or barrels. Jewed and fluted bolts lead to very smooth function even in adverse weather conditions. Fluting the bolt reduces weight. Lightweight barrel contours (mentioned only once that I see) with fluting also decrease weight.
With all this lightweight talk, some with magnum calibers, I forgot to mention a prefered recoil system. A light rifle should still be comfortable to shoot. The Pacmeyer decelorator is sweet although it weighs a bit more than the next brand, and the stock/pad on the Marlin XL series is one I have to mention. There are few other factory or aftermarket recoil systems that compare to the Marlin.
-Steve
Post by: Pathfinder101 on December 25, 2009, 10:29:45 PM
Post by: Jamieb on December 25, 2009, 10:44:37 PM
Post by: Jamieb on December 25, 2009, 10:47:54 PM
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Post by: addicted on December 25, 2009, 11:28:22 PM
My first choice would be a Sauer 202 .300 WM possibly a Highland @ under 6 lbs. and a Swarovski or Zeiss scope. I like the Swaro glass but the Zeiss reticle is better.
Second choice Sako Finnlight in .300 WM over 6 lbs. Probably a Zeiss 3.5-10 with Z600 or 800 reticle. I had one in .30-06 and sold it.
those 202's are really popular over here but since Blaser bought them out the prices have climed about 600-700 euros.
If Heym made the SR31 in a synthetic stainless version would probably go for that, but europeans arent big on that. I think the straight bolt would be a cool addition to a well cycling project. i've heard the straight bolt on the Blaser R93 has broken open and wacked people in the face killing them. probably just a rumor but i like the heym more anyways lol.
Post by: sako223 on December 26, 2009, 12:18:55 AM
I regret not buying others while the price was down. I see them available at a few more retailers now offered at the new higher price.
Post by: yorketransport on December 26, 2009, 08:28:57 AM
Andrew
Post by: Shootmoore on December 26, 2009, 10:49:43 AM
I thought you ment shooting FROM mountain to mountain not climbing up with one.
The gun caddie is would be a nice addition.
Shootmoore
Post by: rasbo on December 26, 2009, 10:59:10 AM
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I thought you ment shooting FROM mountain to mountain not climbing up with one.
The gun caddie is would be a nice addition.
Shootmoore
Post by: jackelope on December 26, 2009, 11:00:20 AM
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Jackalope, if you're talking about the Burris Timberline 3-9x32, it's a whole 10 ounces heavier than the Leupold VX3 3.5-10x40. I'll take a lighter brighter scope for the money any day.
10 ounces(more than half a pound) is a lot when you're talking about something that's gonna top out oat 6-7 pounds +/-.
any thoughts on weight reduction by fluting a barrel? can't be much.
the kimber 84 is a lightweight barrel contoured rifle...i'm thinking about looking into getting the 300 barrel for my encore fluted or just getting a fluted copy of it if the weight savings is enough to justify. it's about 8.5 pounds right now as it sits, which isn't bad but it would be nice if it was lighter.
those that know me and the way i pack often just assume that i have a lead balloon in my pack. they assume that because it would take too long to sort through all the useless crap i have in my pack trying to decide where all the wieight is coming from.
Post by: WDFW-SUX on December 26, 2009, 11:05:22 AM
Post by: Ray on December 26, 2009, 11:24:14 AM
Post by: Galpster on December 26, 2009, 11:37:37 AM
Post by: rasbo on December 26, 2009, 11:42:34 AM
The perfect mountain rifle is the Remington Model 700 30.06. Why mess with perfection. It was designed for this very purpose and can handle all big game we have in the NWI agree best caliber made for versatility
Post by: Jamieb on December 26, 2009, 11:46:08 AM
You must be drunk :)The perfect mountain rifle is the Remington Model 700 30.06. Why mess with perfection. It was designed for this very purpose and can handle all big game we have in the NWI agree best caliber made for versatility
Post by: Elk-aholic on December 26, 2009, 11:50:51 AM
Post by: addicted on December 26, 2009, 11:51:15 AM
Yes the 202 is spendy. I have been shooting several Sauer 90's for years. The extra cost is warranted in function. These rifles have the absolute smoothest bolt ever made, operate one once and you will be drooling. They also have removable magazines and near perfect triggers(some have set). Beauty is part of the deal along with well designed stocks that fit, reducing felt recoil.
I regret not buying others while the price was down. I see them available at a few more retailers now offered at the new higher price.
i must say after hunting with a 202 and a 90, might like the 90 more. too bad they dont make them anymore.
Post by: Ray on December 26, 2009, 11:54:21 AM
Tikka in .25-06 topped with a Vortex DiamondBack 4x12x40
The caliber is sufficient and does not have much recoil. However the glass could be a fair bit clearer....
Post by: jackelope on December 26, 2009, 11:56:02 AM
My opinion would be to buy a Tikka in .308 and just put a scope on it. 4x12x40 Luepold VX II.
I would agree except the tikka part. there's a lot of tikka fans on here so i will tread lightly. i just think they're ugly, but i love my t/c encore so i guess i don't have any room to talk regarding funny looking rifles. there's so many good mountain rifles from the factory you could get a great 1 and not have to do anything to it.
Post by: Ray on December 26, 2009, 11:57:18 AM
Post by: addicted on December 26, 2009, 12:01:24 PM
I definitely don't expect necessarily anyone to agree with me. It works, it's affordable ,practical and light weight. Make no mistake - I stake no claim or use the term "this is the best". Lots of best opinions out there. Some person's approach is garbage to another man and vice versa.
whats a sako 85 cost these days, like 50 bucks more? comes in all the same calibers?
Post by: Ray on December 26, 2009, 12:02:49 PM
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Actually just checked. The sako seems about a thousand dollars more than the tikka on gunbroker.
Post by: addicted on December 26, 2009, 12:03:06 PM
I definitely don't expect necessarily anyone to agree with me. It works, it's affordable ,practical and light weight. Make no mistake - I stake no claim or use the term "this is the best". Lots of best opinions out there. Some person's approach is garbage to another man and vice versa.
whats a sako 85 cost these days, like 50 bucks more? comes in all the same calibers?
hold on a sec. got my foot in my mouth. :chuckle:
Post by: jackelope on December 26, 2009, 12:08:51 PM
yeah it wasn't a challenge or anything, the tikkas are obviously great rifles...i just don't like the look of them in a plastic or synthetic stock. the wood-stocked versions are nice looking.
Post by: Jamieb on December 26, 2009, 12:13:40 PM
I like posting pictures so here's one of my tikka, A friend of mine in Ketchikan is checking it out. :)
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Post by: addicted on December 26, 2009, 12:15:13 PM
minor difference in the grand scheme of things really... :yike:
yeah it wasn't a challenge or anything, the tikkas are obviously great rifles...i just don't like the look of them in a plastic or synthetic stock. the wood-stocked versions are nice looking.
there are a couple of nice looking tikkas for sale over here. i think they are the predecessor to the T3? left handed. .308 and a 30.06. wood grip with set trigger. our rod and gun club doesnt get any new guns in these days so they make a big deal out of what they do have lol.
Post by: addicted on December 26, 2009, 12:16:24 PM
but there's something about this rifle, it just feels (for a lack of better words) cold, it has no personality at all and I just cant warm up to it. I dont know if that makes any sense or not.
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i know exactly what you mean. sometimes a gun just doesnt have soul
Post by: Ray on December 26, 2009, 12:33:22 PM
Everything is relative to what the end user wants out of their rifle. To me - anything over 30-06 is not going to even be considered for example. Those rifles would get the pee check in the photo. :) I might even shy away from wood and send those to the pee station.
To me - Soul is not a matter in a mountain rifle. Practicality rules in my book.. at least on this particular subject. To each his own. If I want pretty rifles with soul I will buy them but they are not necessarily better at killing. They are simply more likeable.
Post by: rasbo on December 26, 2009, 12:35:22 PM
what caliber is?....55 grain to 220..nobody will ever agree on everything but,what cant the 30-06 doYou must be drunk :)The perfect mountain rifle is the Remington Model 700 30.06. Why mess with perfection. It was designed for this very purpose and can handle all big game we have in the NWI agree best caliber made for versatility
Post by: Galpster on December 26, 2009, 01:26:39 PM
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Post by: jackelope on December 26, 2009, 01:49:16 PM
not sure where you think i said that...
Post by: 280ackley on December 26, 2009, 01:50:54 PM
Bullet: 140 or 160gr AccuBond depending on what you are going after
Gun: Remington 700 22" barrel
Scope: Leupold VX3 3.5x10x40mm
Post by: rasbo on December 26, 2009, 01:58:39 PM
it's a mountain rifle discussion, not the ever popular 30.06 usefulness debate.a nobodies off track here lope,700 rem 06 was brought up as a mountain gun...someone doubted the versatility its all the same discussion
Post by: jackelope on December 26, 2009, 02:08:50 PM
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what caliber is?....55 grain to 220..nobody will ever agree on everything but,what cant the 30-06 do
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RASBO IS RIGHT. Anything 500 yds and back can be killed with the 30.06 It is the most used caliber out there and for good reason.
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The 30-06 also has a huge bullet selection.
disclaimer--i've hunted big game with nothing but 30-06's till this year and i didn't kill anything this year with my 300wm. i am a huge fan of the ought-6.
Post by: rasbo on December 26, 2009, 02:28:02 PM
Post by: jackelope on December 26, 2009, 02:42:23 PM
the youth stocks are way too small for me.
Post by: jdb on December 26, 2009, 03:00:17 PM
Post by: rasbo on December 26, 2009, 03:21:54 PM
i had a youth model savage 10gy rifle in .243 that i just sold to another member, but it had a 20" barrel and i put a full sized stock on it and it worked great and was really lightweight.yeah I bought it for my wife and started using it while cougar was open,it is short for me but not to bad.
the youth stocks are way too small for me.
Post by: jackelope on December 26, 2009, 03:32:13 PM
Post by: demontang on December 26, 2009, 03:35:27 PM
Post by: rasbo on December 26, 2009, 03:36:35 PM
i'm 6'4"....they're way bad for me. i knock myself in the lip with the thumb on my trigger hand if i don't pay attention.:chuckle: :chuckle: my ass is close to the ground 5 9
Post by: rasbo on December 26, 2009, 03:37:06 PM
You guys. My mountain rifle is a 9lb10oz weatherby vangaurd in .338 win :chuckle:stud :chuckle:
Post by: jackelope on December 26, 2009, 03:37:53 PM
Post by: jdb on December 26, 2009, 03:54:50 PM
You guys. My mountain rifle is a 9lb10oz weatherby vangaurd in .338 win :chuckle:thats what my .270 weighs and I wanna make it lighter way lighter!
Post by: demontang on December 26, 2009, 04:00:39 PM
Post by: Jamieb on December 26, 2009, 04:31:50 PM
Stud, or stupid :chuckle:You guys. My mountain rifle is a 9lb10oz weatherby vangaurd in .338 win :chuckle:stud :chuckle:
Post by: demontang on December 26, 2009, 04:34:23 PM
Post by: actionshooter on December 26, 2009, 04:50:30 PM
young, dumb, and in shape :P
Theres alot to said for that. :chuckle:
For me the rifle has to be as light as possible, I lost the young and in shape parts a while back. ;)
Post by: Jamieb on December 26, 2009, 04:53:22 PM
Me too :'(young, dumb, and in shape :P
Theres alot to said for that. :chuckle:
For me the rifle has to be as light as possible, I lost the young and in shape parts a while back. ;)
Post by: JACKALL on December 26, 2009, 06:11:15 PM
Post by: jdb on December 26, 2009, 06:32:28 PM
Post by: addicted on December 27, 2009, 12:17:03 AM
also 50mm obj. Really? why?
i feel it should have the most versitility as far as always being able to take the shot. it's not like i'm sitting on some guys field 20 minutes from the house and i can come back tommorow. i want to be able to take the shot at anytime (legally) low light conditions included.
Post by: Red Dawg on December 27, 2009, 09:25:36 AM
Post by: actionshooter on December 27, 2009, 10:41:55 AM
my favorite rifle to carry is my remy 700 cdl 270 wsm. Love it. 140 gr accubond will kill anything. They main thing for me is having a short action period for a mountain gun. The more I have been reading about the 7mm-08 the more i want one. So a rem 700 alaskan ti chambered in 7mm-08 will be my next rifle purchase. With a 3-9 vx 3 leupold is perfect for me.
I agree about the short actions, thats the base of a lightweight rifle. I think that set-up would be pretty good.
Post by: robescc on December 27, 2009, 12:18:40 PM
This summer I am going to build a real mountain rifle. I a have a remington 700 action that I will use. Benchmark Barrel in 7mm short mag, jewel trigger, Seekins precision mount and rings, posibly Badger Ordinance detachable mag, Mcmillan stock. Not sure on glass yet.
Post by: JackOfAllTrades on December 27, 2009, 02:34:54 PM
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any thoughts on weight reduction by fluting a barrel?Jackalope,
You might look into having your factory TC barrel fluted, but I don't think you're going to find many people willing. A fluted barrel is usually a heavy barrel (non-slim contour), that's been fluted to help with cooling and reduce some weight. (only 10%-15% or so) They don't weigh much less if at all than a slim hunting barrel. What they do add is more stability than a slim barrel.
What amazes me is how heavy a TC is when compared to a bolt gun. You might be better off looking for lighter glass, sling, (no comp?), and lighter furnature.
Think of shaving weight off of a rifle that same as building horse power in an engine.
You get 5% increase in power by a good port match and polish. Another 5% by replacing friction rockers and cam with with roller rockers/bearings. 5% by fuel injection instead of carburation. Another 5% by balancing the rotating assembly. 5% by bumping one compression point. 1% by using synthetic lubrcants. 2% by using a lighter flywheel. That 300hp 350chev is now pushin more than 375hp by making changes that by themselves don't do much, but quantitatively they add up to burnouts from your favorite Camaro.
Taking some weight off of a barrel, trimming the action.. a short action, of necessary metal. Fluting the bolt. Using a plastic or aluminum follower instead of a SS one. Chosing an action with a blind box instead of one that takes a clip. Using aluminum scope rings instead off SS rings. Rings that don't require a base/mount. Some beechwood stocks are actually lighter than many composite stocks. Drilling out the butt to reduce weight. Shortening the barrel to 20". There's a bunch of 'little' things to do to a rifle that add up to a lot of weight savings.
I really don't know where you can trim much weight from a TC, Other than maybe a sleeved carbon fiber barrel, drilling out the stock, lighter optics and mounts. There might be places to drill out the action/frame, but that cost could also be detrmental to strength.
-Steve
Post by: jackelope on December 27, 2009, 03:38:52 PM
the 300 barrel on my encore is a 28" bull barrel.
my gun with a 4-12 scope on it, stainless synthetic 28" bull barrel weighs 8.5 lbs give or take a touch given i am weighing it on a bathroom scale.
i just put the 22-250 barrel on it and it is mega light...
24"
Post by: 257 Wby Mag on December 27, 2009, 08:15:37 PM
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Post by: JackOfAllTrades on December 27, 2009, 08:24:02 PM
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the 300 barrel on my encore is a 28" bull barrel.
Well in that case, yeah, you've got a lot of weight to lose on that one. Milling or replacing that barrel would make it sweet to pack in the high country.
-Steve
Post by: JackOfAllTrades on December 27, 2009, 08:25:38 PM
-Steve
Post by: jackelope on December 27, 2009, 08:27:10 PM
Post by: 257 Wby Mag on December 27, 2009, 08:30:27 PM
257Wmag.. You 'Shot' those critters outside Washington,... Dint you?
-Steve
Steve, the critters were "shot" in Montucky while buck huntin this year. Why?
Post by: JackOfAllTrades on December 27, 2009, 08:32:43 PM
Call TC and see if they offer that as a service? Still as a mountain rifle I don't think I'd want all of 28" either.
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Steve, the critters were "shot" in Montucky while buck huntin this year. Why?
Because it's illegal to shoot Badgers here in Wa. Trapped only.
-Steve
Post by: jackelope on December 27, 2009, 09:06:29 PM
:dunno:
Post by: 257 Wby Mag on December 27, 2009, 09:10:51 PM
You're probably better off buying a fluted barrel. Fluting one.. I'd bet that most machinist/gunsmiths will shy away from that. Remember, the bore is not completely in the center. It is bowed or even spiraled through the axis of the tube. One cut too deep, (the same as on the other side), and the barrel is ruined.
Call TC and see if they offer that as a service? Still as a mountain rifle I don't think I'd want all of 28" either.
257:QuoteSteve, the critters were "shot" in Montucky while buck huntin this year. Why?
Because it's illegal to shoot Badgers here in Wa. Trapped only.
-Steve
Cool, I'll make sure I trap em in Wa, and not shoot em if I ever see one...
Post by: JackOfAllTrades on December 27, 2009, 09:21:48 PM
Jackalope:
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with the .22-250 24" tube on it now it is wierd short looking. i dig it though.
And a 24" TC barrel in either 300wm or say 280rem I bet would be a sweet mountain rifle. Wonder what that would weigh?
-Steve
Post by: Skillet on December 28, 2009, 08:02:05 AM
Model 70 Featherweight Classic
30-06
Leupold Vari-X III 3.5x10 40mm objective
Burris Steel Rings/Bases
Custom sling
That's it. Long action, yes. Wood stock, yes (Although I did lighten the stock a bit with some strategic drilling). Just a touch under 8lbs with magazine loaded & one in the chamber. I use the Burris steel bases/rings, not because they're the lightest, but because I believe they can take a drop better than the aluminum ones.
If it hasn't been said before, durability is key in a mountain rifle. I'd put it second to weight, but it may be a toss up. If I find myself anywhere I am concerned about the additional 1lb my loaded rifle weighs over the other advertised weights here, I damn well want a rig that is going to work every time - no matter the abuse it might take when I'm 5 mountain miles from the nearest bore-sighting kit. Very worth the trade-off of an extra pound to me. My next investment is probably going to be a good lightweight synth stock for it - but I love the look of my gun as is...
Post by: whacker1 on December 28, 2009, 10:31:00 AM
My guns are no where close to light. But I would rather drop some weight of the belly than spend $1000 trying to save a 1 lb.
Post by: Pathfinder101 on December 28, 2009, 10:32:44 AM
Post by: whacker1 on December 28, 2009, 10:38:36 AM
Post by: woodswalker on December 28, 2009, 04:00:12 PM
I got thru about 3 pages is all and saw no mention of the 30-06? I know it's not the newest, hottest caliber out there, but damn. I thought I'd throw my rig into the mix - and if it's already been mentioned, then this is just a "+1":
Model 70 Featherweight Classic
30-06
Leupold Vari-X III 3.5x10 40mm objective
Burris Steel Rings/Bases
Custom sling
That's it. Long action, yes. Wood stock, yes (Although I did lighten the stock a bit with some strategic drilling). Just a touch under 8lbs with magazine loaded & one in the chamber. I use the Burris steel bases/rings, not because they're the lightest, but because I believe they can take a drop better than the aluminum ones.
If it hasn't been said before, durability is key in a mountain rifle. I'd put it second to weight, but it may be a toss up. If I find myself anywhere I am concerned about the additional 1lb my loaded rifle weighs over the other advertised weights here, I damn well want a rig that is going to work every time - no matter the abuse it might take when I'm 5 mountain miles from the nearest bore-sighting kit. Very worth the trade-off of an extra pound to me. My next investment is probably going to be a good lightweight synth stock for it - but I love the look of my gun as is...
smiling as my everyday rifle is a SS Winchester Featherweight All-Terrain in 30-06, synth stockl, redfield rings and 3-9x40 Leupold and a Mikes padded sling
Post by: fishseeker on December 28, 2009, 05:16:58 PM
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Post by: 257 Wby Mag on December 28, 2009, 05:32:00 PM
Check out R-Bros down the road from you. Been hearing good things about em. Later
Post by: 257 Wby Mag on December 28, 2009, 05:33:53 PM
At least go 7 Weatherby? grin....
Later Nelsy
Post by: actionshooter on December 28, 2009, 05:37:58 PM
Finally gave up on your old Thompson Greyhawk Nels? Pounded a few bucks with that sucker!
Check out R-Bros down the road from you.
Jud, Where and who are R-bros?
Ive got a mcmillan edge rem classic and a rock creek #3 barrel for a 7 mag build. Cant decide on whether to go for broke with a borden timberline or a stock trued rem 700 action. Any ideas on a good gunsmith here in Washington?
I've been happy with Brett Evans in Bonney Lake, I'm sure there is someone closer. Just don't know who. :dunno:
Post by: 257 Wby Mag on December 28, 2009, 05:43:24 PM
http://www.rbrosrifles.com/
Post by: 257 Wby Mag on December 28, 2009, 05:45:00 PM
Post by: coastalghost on December 28, 2009, 05:48:06 PM
Nice weatheredby's btw. 240 is kickazz.
I put my buddy onto r bros. Left phone messages etc....never a response. Gonna make sure i have the funds first before i commit. They'll def. be my first choice...dont want to send chit out of state. later.
Post by: Huntbear on December 28, 2009, 05:48:37 PM
blueprinted Stainless short action, either remington or sako, and a skeletonized bolt handle, fluted bolt.
good quality #2 contour stainless barrel 22" long (Douglas barrels as an example)
MPI Stock, (hollow fiberglass, with foam filling)
Caliber would be .30 caliber and something that will knock down an elk at 400 yds. Probably a .300 wsm, as I have seen it perform.
limbsave recoil pad
If it kicks to hard (which I doubt) a good muzzle brake.
Scope would be a Leupy VX1 or 2 in 3-9x40
If I have done my calculations right, it should come in at about 7.75 lbs with scope.
Post by: byrdman on December 29, 2009, 01:44:09 PM
Rem. Model 7, .260 rem., 20" bbl.
I would like to send it to Lone Wolf that Gearhead referred to for a stock and bedding.
Parkerized barrel and action.
A fluted bolt would be cool. More cool than necessary, but still cool.
Leupold VX-III 2.5-8x36.
Delivering 120 gr TSX's, or 125 gr partitions depending on what it shoots better.
Post by: mossback91 on December 29, 2009, 01:50:04 PM
Model 700 BDL 30-06
Nikon 3-9x40
9 pounds
But seems light and packable to me
Post by: Ray on December 29, 2009, 02:29:10 PM
Post by: high country on December 30, 2009, 10:15:18 AM
I did the light gun with big scope thing.....was too odd for me. (https://hunting-washington.com/smf/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi193.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fz16%2Fgyonemura%2FP1010006.jpg&hash=2e4a16d5b705e2fb4b4a7baf4ed54f0db6f8e1ed)
Post by: high country on December 30, 2009, 10:17:43 AM
Post by: ing on December 30, 2009, 12:04:48 PM
Post by: 257 Wby Mag on December 30, 2009, 12:20:36 PM
Post by: Curly on December 30, 2009, 12:59:47 PM
I like the idea someone mentioned of the .284 Win.............
Post by: addicted on December 30, 2009, 01:13:09 PM
I'm taking notes. This is a good discussion as I'd like to get a lightweight rifle someday.
thought it would be. been thinking about it for awhile.
Post by: addicted on April 27, 2010, 05:03:13 AM
What Binos. would you go big for efficiency or keep it light.
Spotting scope? pack one along or just get some good sized binos?
I saw those redfeild ones in the catolog today. interesting.
Post by: high country on April 27, 2010, 09:00:33 PM
Post by: Ratdog68 on April 30, 2010, 09:41:41 AM
If it's modern season... I've got three to choose from. For heavy cover, my model 94 Winchester in .30/30. I made a single point tactical style sling for it... the sling mounts to the rifle via a leather/velcro collar I made so I'm not drilling into my 1940ish serial numbered oldie. If I want the glass on it... My Remington 700 .30-06 will drop just about anything I hit with it. I had the trigger done for a nice light/crisp break, I swapped the ADL platform for a BDL synthetic stock and a Kwik Klip drop magazine conversion and have a Leupy VXii in 2-7x40. At present, I'm building an AR15 in 6.8SPC II with a 16" barrel. I'm gonna keep this one with Red Dot sighting for quick target acquisition. Barnes just introduced a 95 gr TTSX bullet for this caliber which will affectively open (4petals) at 1600 fps which will make this round effective to 400 yds. Muzzle velocity approaches 3,000 fps. Heavy brush is the norm in W. WA... so big glass isn't really needed. This round will drop a black bear as well as big hogs... deer and yotes should be a cake walk for this round.
Instead of $3K+ for a single (try to impress everyone else with how much money I spent) rifle to fit all situations... I prefer to have options available to me for varied hunts. However... I prescribe to the line of thinking that when I pick up a bolt action, they're all the same brand. If I pick up a smoke pole, they all function the same, if I pick up an auto-loader... same thing... want the mechanics all the same.
If it's archery... well... last year I made myself a longbow (American Flatbow) of Osage Orange, backed with bamboo, and a little Bocote on the riser. that tillered out to 65# @ 28" of draw and is 72" in length... and, it's a shooter too. The 60+ hrs I put into it and careful measurements all along the build... it's pretty sweet on the eyes too. Very smooth and finished with Tru-Oil.
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Post by: addicted on January 25, 2011, 01:45:27 PM
Post by: JackOfAllTrades on January 25, 2011, 02:50:54 PM
My mountain rifle
Model 700 BDL 30-06
Nikon 3-9x40
9 pounds
But seems light and packable to me
But you're young...
Mountain rifle or Alpine rifle..? I've packed a Ruger 77 for years from sea level to 7,000 feet. A sporterized 03-A3 for many more years. Both are near/more than 9 pounds. Wildcat and a 30-06.
If I'm up high, I'm thinkin something down around or maybe less than 7 pounds with scope is in order. That cuts out most stainless choices. The T3 light and Win70 Featherweight come to mind.
Short action. 270-308 or 308Ackley. Maybe a Savage 110 series single shot bolt head with left port feed and right hand bolt. Accutrigger. A Douglas fluted barrel with an 11 degree inset target crown. A McMillan glass stock that's drilled out in the butt. Stainless pillar and glass bedding. I don't know if there's enough metal there to mill a Savage action for Ruger rings, but I'd look into that. There are 'better' scopes, but I think I'd be quite happy with a Leupold 4-12x50 scope with an elevation target turret.
If it was a magnum rifle I'd like a Decelorator recoil system, but I'm trying to cut weight and have extreme accuracy. I could care less how much it kicks.
I packed my sons Marlin XL7 in 270win for a bit last fall. Damn near fits the bill as a lightweight Alpine rifle with a bunch of features and enough cartridge to get the job done.
-Steve
Post by: Harold on January 26, 2011, 01:36:34 AM
Post by: high country on January 26, 2011, 04:27:15 AM
Post by: JackOfAllTrades on January 26, 2011, 07:52:09 AM
Steve, why got to the expense of the ruger rings when they are sooooooo heavy?
Four less screws to come loose. No mounting base. Because you can pull the scope/rings off without tools. (quarter or knife blade) I could probably settle for a standard weaver groove setup, but I like the ruger tab/friction lock. It's damn strong/solid.
My mountain rifle would also have iron sights. Schtuff happens. If I and the rifle took a tumble and bent the scope, I'd hate to have a ruined hunt because the sighting system is shot. Just a flip down buck horn in the rear and a ramp at the front sighted for 150yds.
-Steve
Post by: WDFW-SUX on January 26, 2011, 08:00:11 AM
Post by: high country on January 26, 2011, 04:26:24 PM