Post by: Galpster on December 27, 2009, 02:35:33 PM
Post by: docsven on December 27, 2009, 02:46:34 PM
Post by: JackOfAllTrades on December 27, 2009, 02:47:43 PM
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Is it worth the $35 and the time to do it?
It all depends on how your rifle shoots now. If it's capable of sub-moa groups now.. You might not see any change. But many rifles that don't shoot moa can experience improved accuracy by bedding the action and freefloating the barrel. Some barrels.. It just doesn't matter.
Search my posts.. I remember responding to someone in the last couple months about this. Linked some good info there. If you can't find it, PM me.
I am not a gunsmith. Have I done this to see the advantages? Yes. Would I do it again? Yes.
-Steve
Post by: Huntbear on December 27, 2009, 04:55:24 PM
Post by: Jamieb on December 27, 2009, 04:59:29 PM
Post by: Michelle_Nelson on December 27, 2009, 05:02:59 PM
Post by: PacificNWhunter on December 27, 2009, 07:48:45 PM
Post by: 257 Wby Mag on December 27, 2009, 08:34:38 PM
Post by: coonhound on December 27, 2009, 10:18:26 PM
It gives you a few things:
1. It allows you to eliminate barrel interference because it creates a repeatable installation of your action.
2. It gives you a square surface for your recoil lug to contact giving you a more repeatable vibration during the shot.
3. It ensures uniform pressure when you tighten your action screws.
4. It helps to eliminate the adverse effects of water if you're using a wood stock.
The most common cause for poor accuracy is barrel contact, make sure you can easily slide a dollar bill between your barrel and stock all the way to the action.
When you get down to the sub MOA groups, it's all about repeatable vibrations and a bedded action helps take out some of the variables that can change them.
I personally don't believe the average rifle will benefit from bedding the barrel. In my opinion bedding the barrel opens up the door for POI changes do to pressure caused by swelling in a wood stock, heat can change the pressure your stock puts on the barrel and even how and where you rest your rifle when shooting. I believe the bench rest guys with heavy stocks and heavy barrels in semi controlled environments do benefit at times from bedding the barrel but us hunters probably not.
Just my $0.02 from my experience,
Coon
Post by: elkspert on December 27, 2009, 10:22:09 PM
Post by: Jamieb on December 27, 2009, 10:33:56 PM
I stopped bedding the entire action, the rear tang, and the bottom metal. If the stock has factory pressure points, I leave them alone until after shooting the rifle, if theres no point of impact change from a cold barrel to a hot barrel, they stay. If I get fliers as the barrel warms up then I float. I've noticed that thin barrels seem to like a little contact/support in the forarm most of the time.
Post by: addicted on December 30, 2009, 05:49:00 AM
Post by: high country on December 30, 2009, 08:15:17 AM
I only full length bed synthetic stocks with very light barrel contours
Post by: boneaddict on December 30, 2009, 08:18:00 AM
Post by: Huntbear on December 30, 2009, 10:08:14 AM
Post by: high country on December 30, 2009, 10:18:45 AM
Post by: Big10gauge on December 30, 2009, 04:56:14 PM
Actually I have never seen it degrade a guns accuracy, but I've turned crappy groups into very good groups by doing so. Don't know if it's so important with composite stocks but I don't own any so no comment on those. Usually the first thing that comes off a new gun of mine is the stock and is replaced by a aftermarket stock. The next is the trigger.
Post by: Galpster on December 30, 2009, 05:11:08 PM
Please help me with why you do all these things. Also people replace the barrel. I do not understand buying a gun then throwing almost all of it away.
Post by: high country on December 30, 2009, 05:13:20 PM
Post by: Huntbear on December 30, 2009, 05:21:13 PM
I have a model 700 Remington 30.06 LH. So you all would bed it and replace the trigger? Why replace the trigger? I see that alot but I do not know why. My trigger works fine.
Please help me with why you do all these things. Also people replace the barrel. I do not understand buying a gun then throwing almost all of it away.
Galspter, Remington triggers are one of the ones, you can adjust, and not replace. They are actually a very good trigger. Very adjustable. However, if you have ever pulled on a factory Ruger trigger, and others, you would understand why they are replaced.
As for the bedding, YES, definitely! Also, the reason guys buy guns and replace parts, is to make them more accurate, easier to shoot, and even lighter. (case in point, the Ruger 10/22 rifle) The action is like the heart of the gun, the rest can be replaced as peripherals, if you have the money.. :chuckle:
Post by: runamuk on December 30, 2009, 05:30:10 PM
I have a model 700 Remington 30.06 LH. So you all would bed it and replace the trigger? Why replace the trigger? I see that alot but I do not know why. My trigger works fine.
Please help me with why you do all these things. Also people replace the barrel. I do not understand buying a gun then throwing almost all of it away.
Galspter, Remington triggers are one of the ones, you can adjust, and not replace. They are actually a very good trigger. Very adjustable. However, if you have ever pulled on a factory Ruger trigger, and others, you would understand why they are replaced.
As for the bedding, YES, definitely! Also, the reason guys buy guns and replace parts, is to make them more accurate, easier to shoot, and even lighter. (case in point, the Ruger 10/22 rifle) The action is like the heart of the gun, the rest can be replaced as peripherals, if you have the money.. :chuckle:
I haven't bedded my rifle...yet...but I did float the barrel and with help from a forum member here my trigger was replaced. I have a ruger it is my first gun I had no idea how awful my trigger was until it was replaced. You don't have to do any of these things but some people seem to feel they must improve everything...lol...I like creating things so for me it will be likely that I never leave well enough alone :chuckle:
Post by: Jamieb on December 30, 2009, 05:53:03 PM
I've been just bedding from the mag well to about 1 1/2" past the recoil lug. I put one piece of electrical tape on the bottom and front of the lug durring bedding when the front of the lug is flat like a remmington. The next rifle I do, I'm going to only fill the lug recess, and see how it does.
Post by: Galpster on December 30, 2009, 06:46:33 PM
Anyways pics would be great.
Post by: high country on December 30, 2009, 08:19:22 PM
What are you guys bedding? The entire action? the tang? how far in front of the recoil lug? Where you putting tape on the lug.
I've been just bedding from the mag well to about 1 1/2" past the recoil lug. I put one piece of electrical tape on the bottom and front of the lug durring bedding when the front of the lug is flat like a remmington. The next rifle I do, I'm going to only fill the lug recess, and see how it does.
on my full lenght it is barrel channel and all of the action.
if you bed a rger be aware that the lug design can get you on a pickel.....remember it has to be able to come apart....so fill all holes and such with clay. as for only bedding the lug, that is better then nothing, but the goal is to have a perfect fit of the asction to the stock. the rear of the action can move around if it is not bedded. I like to install pillars at the time of bedding too. it is good piece of mind to be able to R&R your action w/o worry
Post by: Buckshot Bill on December 30, 2009, 08:50:07 PM
We've done it to all of ours. I think the theory that best works is it helps take the fluctuation of temperatures or as stated swelling. If you are a pie plate sorta fella, it wouldn't matter. If you are a dime like sort of fellar than yes I think its worth it.
In a nutshell :yeah: I've done most of mine and my boys and wouldn't have it any other way.
Post by: addicted on December 31, 2009, 01:53:43 AM
Anyone have pics of start to finish glasbedding? I am getting more and more curious and think I am going to do it. There seems to be alot of discussion about where and how much bedding. I wish I knew more.
Anyways pics would be great.
this last field and stream had picture directions in it.
Post by: Big10gauge on December 31, 2009, 08:07:49 AM
Post by: high country on December 31, 2009, 08:10:00 AM
There seems to be alot of discussion about where and how much bedding. I wish I knew more.
Anyways pics would be great.
it is going to vary by stock. a wood one piece stock is going to need the most bedding as it tends to move more then the others, followed by a laminated stock which is more stable and last a synthetic which is quite stable, but next to never fit tight.
Post by: boneaddict on December 31, 2009, 08:25:27 AM
A great shot squeezes the trigger until it goes off, never "pulls the trigger". If you have a stiff trigger you could squeeze all day. My 06, you even breathe on it and the thing goes off. (exaggerating in terms to you understand) I would guess a stiff trigger will more than likely add to flinching, you almost wantthe thing to go off without you knowing its going to. (again in terms of being controlled)
Post by: high country on December 31, 2009, 08:32:10 AM
if that does not make clear sense to you, take it to a smith or but a aftermarket. it is too easy to get reduced trigger pull but lose the safety at the same time
Post by: Huntbear on December 31, 2009, 08:39:46 AM
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