Hunting Washington Forum
Equipment & Gear => Guns and Ammo => Topic started by: demontang on December 31, 2009, 03:40:07 PM
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Well I'm going to get a new rifle and I keep bounce between the two. I want something that can be used for hunting varmints-atleast elk but a kid/ small woman can shoot. The 243 works for up to deer size game pretty well but I'm not sure I'd trust it to much beyond that. I haven't been around the 25-06 much but I know it can shoot heavier bullets and has very good ballistics. The rifle might go out as a bear gun too but the 338 win is going to back It. So which do you think??
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25-06
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25-06, hands down. It does most everything the 243 does and can shoot use heavier bullets. You can load it down very mild, load it with light bullets for varmints, or use heavier bullets for deer and even elk (not my first choice, but some do.)
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I have put a ton of chit on the ground with a 100gr .25 cal tsx.....from coyotes to elk and everything between. I have not taken elk with my 243, but surely would, but I have big confidence in the 2-bit. if you do not reload, I would go 243......if you hand load.....go big!
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i like the 243, its cheaper and easier to find shells. the performance isnt that much different. both are a little small for elk,but you hit them rite it wont matter.
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25-06 as said above, I love mine.
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Both excellent rifles. I guess you might want to consider what you'll be shooting with it the majority of the time. If you reload there's quite a difference in cost per round if you consider overall expenses to shoot. Tired of shooting coyotes with the 338?? :chuckle:
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hands down the 25-06 i have a 243 and a 25-06 i would pick up my 25-06 99 times out of a hundred to my 243 the 25-06 is almost the same money as a 243 to shoot factory coreloacks are about 2.00 diffrence my hand loads are almost the same. i would not shoot a elk with a 243 myself but would never even dought the 25-06 it would be a done deal. i know people that have hunted with a 243 for elk for 30 years and never had any problem just my thoughts
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I have taken many critters with mine and love it. I use archery on elk but wouldn't even hesitate to use the 25-06 if I had to use a rifle. I've seen what it can do to deer and I know to trust it.
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I'd get a .243 or a 6mm. Just seem sexier to me.
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I stopped reading at "Varmints". Definately 25-06. I was thinking you wanted a coyote gun. :dunno:
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I'm a 243 man. They are sexy......
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I would say 25-06 only because you say it could be going out as a elk gun. You take the the elk hunting out and I am strongly on the 243 bandwagon. If you insist on it being a elk gun and smaller caliber I would
(25-06+.007+powder= .257 wby mag) :chuckle: Sorry to get of topic :chuckle:
and 243's are sexy
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you guys are 2 funny. i have always known bigger is better and sexyer. 8) you guys can have the smaller ones :chuckle:
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you guys are 2 funny. i have always known bigger is better and sexyer. 8) you guys can have the smaller ones :chuckle:
Just a binch of unused energy. We're much more efficient.
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tuff call really. if its for YOU and might get used buy a woman or amall child occasionally but youll be carrying it primaraly then I would go with a 25-06 if its for the small woman or child and you might carry it occasionally for predators then i'd go with a youth model .243.
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After owning one I would never buy a .243 again.
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After killing a few deer with the 243(starting in 1969) and the 250 Savage, go with the 25-06 and don't look back.
AWS
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What....you haven't bought the 25 yet? Whats taking you so long
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Well I was thing me a predator gun an my girl and boy can shoot it too when they go:) I really want a 25wssm upper but I can live with a hole new bolt gun. I can pick up a 25-06 or 243 with a mid heavy barrel for 540. I do reload so the price to shot will be lower then factory ammo. I've really thought about the 257 wby too but don't see a need to pay that much more for brass to gain that much fps. Heck if the tax man is good maybe both
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257 WBY is an awesome gun, and the 25:06 is nearly as good, both are much better than any 24's. Not that I don't like 24's, but they do not compare to the 25's. :twocents:
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:)Not to hijak, but I am thinking 7mm-08, if you really want ot include elk. very low recoil, good balistics, hits harder due to 100-175 grain bullets.
Carl
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Yeah but it's not as flat shooting. The 75gr pill at 3700 is a very flat shooting round for yotes that are smart an hang up at 500yds:) if I did a 7mm it would be a 284win
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OKay, I'll jump in here too. I say 25-06 Tikka T3. LIght enough for a female or young teen to handle, recoil is slightly more than the 243 but they will never feel it when they shoot it at an animal.
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why does it have to be one or the other? :dunno: Just get both! :chuckle: That's what I did, like them both, killed deer and elk with both and many yotes.
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why does it have to be one or the other? :dunno: Just get both! :chuckle: That's what I did, like them both, killed deer and elk with both and many yotes.
That sounds like sage advice.... :chuckle:
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btw, you are going to want a good dose of imr 4831 under a 87gr bullet to get into the 36-3800 fps and slay some long distance dogs. same powder and a 100gr tsx and you can kill everything in washington out to as far as the eye can see........go quarter bore. and if the brass cost wiggs you out on the roy, just load 7mm brass. works like butter
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I agree, I really love my 25-06. It is pretty tough on pelts, but if that's not a concern I can tell you if you hit em they will GO DOWN!
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25-06 hands down if including elk. I'm not too impressed with the .243 on deer.
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I have both, and haven't shot the 243 since I got the 25-06. But the 25-06 really does some damage when it hits with any of the varmint class bullets.
Andrew
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25-06 all the way
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25-06. I just picked up a Tikka T3 stainless, Ive loaded up some nosler 110 accubonds with 49gr of RL 19. Should be a shooter. :brew:
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25 06 period , I killed a elk with a 243 mot impressed.
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243, same as 308 only faster.
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check out the 25wssm i have both my 10 year old shoots them both hit a running cow at 80 yards with the 25 her chin hit the ground fist love it for deer elk coyote you name it
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Ive looked at the wssm for a good year now and if I get one it will be in an ar15 platform. Its about the same for an oly upper in 25wssm as it is for a nice bolt gun in 25-06 or 243. Im really thinking 25-06 now and an upper later :drool:
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I saw a ruger ultralite .257 bob the other day and it was local. you interested?
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my buddy has a 243 super short magnum....he loves that thing, takes deer and coyotes and all sorts of stuff with it. dont think hes ever tried an elk though
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How much jdb? I know binary has weatherby syns for 367 - 30 right now
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Given the choice stated, I'd go with the 25-06 hands down. But if you get a line on a reasonable 257 Roberts I'd be all over that like....well, you know...
For what it's worth, I am upgrading Pathfinder Jr from his single shot .243 to a bolt action .308 for his birthday this year (no one tell him... :chuckle: ). He's 10 (turning 11), and not big for his age, so I have to get a youth model because of the stock length and the weight, but I wanted him to have a .30 cal for elk and bear hunting. Just my :twocents:
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We'll see I won't buy anything for at least a month
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243, same as 308 only faster.
if you think the 243 is in the same class as a 308 you're on drugs.
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Man I really don't like the 308. Sure it's a good round but to me they kick just as hard as my 338 win. I hurt after putting a box though the savage I sighted for a friend, an the sps I shot wasn't any better. I've shot 50 rounds out of my 338 an not hurt like that. I'm going to take a friends 25-06 out an see how it kicks.
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Man I really don't like the 308. Sure it's a good round but to me they kick just as hard as my 338 win. I hurt after putting a box though the savage I sighted for a friend, an the sps I shot wasn't any better. I've shot 50 rounds out of my 338 an not hurt like that. I'm going to take a friends 25-06 out an see how it kicks.
You should like the 25-06. They dont have much recoil.
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thats why you can handload them load them down i have never had a 308 but i have a a 7mm-08 which is just a necked down 308 to 284 cal "7mm" they don't carry to much recoil and preform well. but i cant see a 308 kicking that hard to compare it with a 338 win unless it has a steel but plate lol
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this is a hard question for me to answer. To very different calibers that are be considered. To me it is very hard to compare short actions and long actions with different powder capabilities. Both parent cases are great and filled with history and both are great when loaded with good bullets. 25-06 you can obviously shoot larger bullets and the smaller ones like 100 grs it shoots about 200-300 fps faster. Tough one for me to compare them though. For large game I would definitely buy the 06 but for varmints I would buy the 243. The best thing to do is just get both and then you have two great calibers.
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I'm think I will get a 243 later but the 25 just seems like a better all around cal
funny thing about what I said about the 308 is the guys with me thought the same. I think my stock makes a diff in the felt recoil.
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I'm think I will get a 243 later but the 25 just seems like a better all around cal
funny thing about what I said about the 308 is the guys with me thought the same. I think my stock makes a diff in the felt recoil.
Now you guys are making me start to second-guess my choice (and I was just about to order the gun this week). Do you guys think a youth-model .308 is too much gun for a 10 year old? He shoots my Rem 700 .270 Win just fine. The recoil doesn't bother him a bit, but my full sized rifle is too heavy for him to pack and too long for him to shoulder.
I wanted him to have something that can stop an elk or a bear.
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noway is it to much gun for him if he shoots a 270 win just fine. and if it is a bit hard kicking get the lighter loads or have some hand loaded for him and he will do just fine
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I wish they made youth models in .270, I'd get him one of those, but they only seem to be offered in the short actions; .243, 7mm 08, and .308 He already has a .243, but I've never really been a fan of that round, besides, he's going to hunt elk next year, and I am not too excited about him shooting a 600 lb animal with a .243 I know people do it, but I just can't get used to the idea... especially with our long shots here in the Blues... :dunno:
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i have 2 7mm-08 one in a weatherby cfp and just ordered a r-25 in 7mm-08 if it was me i would get the 7mm-08 before the 308 bullets from 100 grains to 175 well placed bullet will take any elk. i also know people that have shot many elk with 243's but its not for me.
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Really? What kind of bullet drop are you getting out of a 175 grain bullet at 300 yards with a 7mm 08? Correct me if I am wrong, but isn't that basically a short-action .270?
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7mm-08 is a necked down .308
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like wazukie is right 100% match to the 308 but the neck is necked down to 284 die which is 7mm cal i have not shot the 175grains or plan to i use the 140 grain c/t for small game yotes and etc and with the nosler partition for a hunting bullet they will be almost the same as the 308 bal's wise just a little faster in most loads than the 308. i would not think twice about shooting a elk or bear with that cal and combo of a load.
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THanks, good to know.
SOrry to jack the thread, but this gives me some food for thought.
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i just got on the other computer that has my shooting software on it a 7mm-08 0ed at 200 yards with a 140 grain bullet is 43" low at 300 yards and the 308 win oed at 200 yards with 150g bullet at 300 yards is 45" low hope this helps.
sorry also. :jacked:
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One thing you could do is find someone that has a 308 an have him shot it. An a thought on the 270 find a short barreled one an get a stock that will fit him. Have you thought at all about the 338 fed? Good round an An light load pushing 225gr accubond @2200 is 36" low at 400yds or a 180gr accubond at 2500 is 32" low at 400yds both with a 200 zero. I think it kick less the the 308 with the lighter bullets an with the lighter loads should be even nicer on the shoulder.02
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25-06. My dad has greased a pile of whitetails with his 25-06 from 20 yds to 390yds.My opinion is it's the best non-mag. caliber made.
