Post by: jstone on January 09, 2010, 02:23:17 PM
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Post by: Blsum on January 09, 2010, 04:30:02 PM
Post by: KTMSMOKER on January 09, 2010, 11:54:24 PM
I use to use the Dead center 300 grn bullets with a 100 grns of pyrodex pellets. Since they changed the regs I've switched to 100 grns 777 loose, with a 300 grn hornady sst bullet. I also put a peep site and a Sim's recoil pad. I'm telling you get the recoil pad and peep. Make's the gun so much more enjoyable to shoot.Sorry for the thread jack, but what changed in the regs?
Post by: bobcat on January 10, 2010, 12:09:32 AM
Post by: Sportfury on January 10, 2010, 01:20:35 AM
Post by: carpsniperg2 on January 10, 2010, 01:54:09 AM
The only thing that changed is you can now use copper jacketed bullets. Before they had to be all lead.
:yeah: and you can carry a modern handgun for personal pertection during muzzle and archery season if you have a concealed permit.
Post by: rasbo on January 10, 2010, 04:02:24 AM
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Post by: Dirty Mike on January 14, 2010, 05:31:18 AM
Post by: Gutpile on January 14, 2010, 07:30:17 AM
how much did you pay for it?
White Elephant (valley store) has two. One in Stainless/black for $350.00 and the other Blu/black for $330.00. Just saw another at Black Sheep in Coeur d' Alene for $330.00 (blue/black). They also had the T/C Nw hunter or whatever it's called for about $100.00 less than the Black Diamond.
Post by: jstone on January 14, 2010, 12:52:52 PM
Post by: Dirty Mike on January 14, 2010, 03:35:36 PM
Post by: wildwood on January 14, 2010, 04:01:52 PM
Post by: hendog on March 23, 2010, 11:52:38 AM
I use to use the Dead center 300 grn bullets with a 100 grns of pyrodex pellets. Since they changed the regs I've switched to 100 grns 777 loose, with a 300 grn hornady sst bullet. I also put a peep site and a Sim's recoil pad. I'm telling you get the recoil pad and peep. Make's the gun so much more enjoyable to shoot.
I cant find a peep for a black diamond. What make & model did you get?
Post by: rainshadow1 on March 23, 2010, 11:57:25 AM
Shooting plastic saboted .38 bullets with loose pyrodex. Scary awesome accurate with clean rifling, but 5 + rounds dirty it's totally spitballing. I mean, BAD!
Post by: JackOfAllTrades on March 23, 2010, 12:05:51 PM
-Steve
Post by: bonkellekter on March 23, 2010, 12:13:13 PM
Post by: bonkellekter on March 23, 2010, 12:14:07 PM
With a sealed breach, this rifle is legal for hunting big game in Washington?
-Steve
The black diamond - unless it has changed is an open breach
Post by: wastickslinger on March 23, 2010, 01:41:27 PM
Post by: Blsum on March 23, 2010, 05:43:52 PM
I use to use the Dead center 300 grn bullets with a 100 grns of pyrodex pellets. Since they changed the regs I've switched to 100 grns 777 loose, with a 300 grn hornady sst bullet. I also put a peep site and a Sim's recoil pad. I'm telling you get the recoil pad and peep. Make's the gun so much more enjoyable to shoot.
I cant find a peep for a black diamond. What make & model did you get?
When I got mine I ordered it from Cabela's and had it shipped to the store in Lacey. I just looked over there web site and the peep sites they had on there didn't say anything about using them on a Black Diamond. I did a quick search and found that Midway has them. Cabela's had them for a little cheaper if I remember right. This is the one I have and I really like it. Look around and see if you can find one some where else for cheaper.
http://www.midwayusa.com/viewProduct/?productNumber=182157 (http://www.midwayusa.com/viewProduct/?productNumber=182157)
Post by: Archery King on March 27, 2010, 06:04:57 PM
Post by: Badge251 on March 28, 2010, 08:17:12 AM
As for peep sights, I have an XS Sight Systems ghost ring aperture on mine, quality unit and they still make a model for the Black Diamond, here’s their link:
http://www.xssights.com/index.html (http://www.xssights.com/index.html)
Post by: Gamblin Guy on March 28, 2010, 08:58:09 AM
I’ve owned a Black Diamond XR .50 cal for awhile but actually hunted with it very little, good rifle but I am now selling it (ad in classifieds) as I haven’t shot it in years and it just takes up space. Anyway, I recall the load I used was a Buffalo Bullets sabot-ed 375 grain, all lead spire point hollow point boat tail (not sure if it’s made anymore), over 105 grains 777 loose, torched off by a musket cap, accurate and plenty of energy.
As for peep sights, I have an XS Sight Systems ghost ring aperture on mine, quality unit and they still make a model for the Black Diamond, here’s their link:
http://www.xssights.com/index.html (http://www.xssights.com/index.html)
Sent you a pm.
Post by: jrebel on March 28, 2010, 05:52:03 PM
Post by: chukar2.5 on March 28, 2010, 07:07:56 PM
Post by: hirshey on March 28, 2010, 09:22:36 PM
We've been pretty happy with the setup thus far.
Post by: Blsum on March 29, 2010, 11:05:11 AM
Shooting at the range this offseason he's kept the same setup and has been consistantly shooting just around 6 inch groups at 100 yards. I have a TC Black Diamond stainless and he has a Knight MK-85. Both .50 cal
:yike: six inch groups. When we went shooting yesterday we where shooting groups that where closer to about 1.5-2 inches at 100 yards. I think I might be doing some powder adjustments to see if I could tighten that up a bit. :twocents:
Post by: hirshey on March 29, 2010, 11:56:25 AM
Shooting at the range this offseason he's kept the same setup and has been consistantly shooting just around 6 inch groups at 100 yards. I have a TC Black Diamond stainless and he has a Knight MK-85. Both .50 cal
:yike: six inch groups. When we went shooting yesterday we where shooting groups that where closer to about 1.5-2 inches at 100 yards. I think I might be doing some powder adjustments to see if I could tighten that up a bit. :twocents:
Let me rephrase.. 6 inch groups have been at worst.. and in whatever weather may come on the olympic penninsula. He shoots 5 to call it a "group"... If you call 3 a group he's been consistantly shooting 2-3 inch groups. Also... are you using a scope to adjust powder and bullets? Because his is also keeping it to open sites. If you're getting 1.5-2 inch groups of 5 at 100 yards ... :kneel: you should be professionally competing.
Post by: Dirty Mike on March 29, 2010, 12:31:22 PM
Post by: Blsum on March 29, 2010, 03:13:02 PM
Out of curiosity, are you cleaning the gun after every shot. every other shot or every group. When we are at the range we clean after every shot or every other shot. I know when you get to much fouling in the barrel your gun will loose accuracy. Also it might not be the powder. It could very well be the gun. I know my Black Diamond hates power belt bullet's. They where all over the place. Couldn't get any kind of grouping. But I hear of people who love them and there gun's love them as well. I'm just wondering if you couldn't get better accuracy with your shooting by switching something up. Besides the sst bullets, I've used the Dead Center bullets with very good accuracy. Just a thought. Take it with a grain of salt.
Post by: hirshey on March 29, 2010, 05:03:36 PM
With open sites as I said.. if you are getting 2 inch groups you are amazing. Especially since TC has no accuracy guarantee at 100 yards, and Knight promises only 2.5 inch groups... and Savage promises 1.5, both with the following assumptions in place:
To continue the accuracy quest, a few things are presumed. It is presumed that you have quality steel bases and rings, a quality scope, current formulation MMP sabots of the same lot number from MMP, you are using powder with the same lot number, and you are sorting your bullets by weight. There are no 'bench rest' 209 shotshell primers, but it is presumed you are using the same brand and the same lot number of 209 primers as well. Many purported 'accuracy issues' have been traced to loose scope bases, or reticle float inside a scope tube. If the reticle in your scope does not return to the exact same spot after recoil, there is very little hope of accurately gauging your progress. A solid rest is also assumed, as well as good range conditions. Gusty winds and large caliber bullets do not mix particularly well. Consistent loading of your sabots is also presumed. Seating pressure affects the burn profile of most any small arms propellant. Using 10 pounds of ramrod pressure then 50 pounds of ramrod pressure for the next shot cannot help promote accuracy.
Post by: bonkellekter on March 29, 2010, 05:15:43 PM
Sorry I wasn't trying to sound like an ass earlier. We are shooting 3 shot groups with 100 grns 777 loose. 300 grn Hornady SST bullets Williams peep sights. With both my Black Diamond and my Knight Big Horn. Also if you didn't notice I live is Shelton. So I would count weather out of the equation.
Out of curiosity, are you cleaning the gun after every shot. every other shot or every group. When we are at the range we clean after every shot or every other shot. I know when you get to much fouling in the barrel your gun will loose accuracy. Also it might not be the powder. It could very well be the gun. I know my Black Diamond hates power belt bullet's. They where all over the place. Couldn't get any kind of grouping. But I hear of people who love them and there gun's love them as well. I'm just wondering if you couldn't get better accuracy with your shooting by switching something up. Besides the sst bullets, I've used the Dead Center bullets with very good accuracy. Just a thought. Take it with a grain of salt.
My black Diamond hated the power belts as well -
I am with Hirshey on the group thing though. I am not sure how you can get a sub 3" group when your sight is taking up atleast 3" of the target at 100 yards
Post by: bobcat on March 29, 2010, 07:02:47 PM
Post by: Blsum on March 29, 2010, 08:34:43 PM
Like I said before. I'm sorry if I sounded like an ass. That's not what I was trying to get across. All I was implying was that I thought a 6" group was a little big, and was trying to suggest that there where way's to tighten the group up. If your satisfied with your groups then don't change anything.
I understand wanting to know where the second shot will go, without cleaning the gun. But I don't think you will need five shot's to kill an animal. So why not clean after two shots or even three. If you need more shot's than that to cleanly kill an animal with your muzzy, then maybe you should think about putting your muzzy down. just my :twocents: take it for what it's worth.
Post by: Dirty Mike on March 29, 2010, 10:07:28 PM
Post by: Blsum on March 29, 2010, 11:53:30 PM
Where at on the Oly Pen. is your b.f. If you would like, I would be willing to go out shooting with you and him (or just him if he want's). To see if we can get a little better accuracy out of your guns.
Post by: hirshey on March 30, 2010, 12:41:52 AM
I recognise now that I throw the term group around loosely as the furthest shot away from the bullseye. For example in that photo if those are 1 inch squares I would have said I was shooting a 3 inch group. :dunno: I don't know how I came about that.. I suppose its because your intended goal is always the bullseye so I don't care how close they are together if they aren't on target.
So he told me his "groups" are much tighter than 6 inches. He lives part time in Port Townsend and part time in Chelan.. I'll run it by him.
I suppose I'd have to see it to believe below 2 inch groups at 100 yards after all the literature I've read today post-feud. Maybe we will have to do that just to teach me a lesson if nothing else. :)
Post by: hirshey on March 30, 2010, 12:44:57 AM
Sorry I wasn't trying to sound like an ass earlier. We are shooting 3 shot groups with 100 grns 777 loose. 300 grn Hornady SST bullets Williams peep sights. With both my Black Diamond and my Knight Big Horn. Also if you didn't notice I live is Shelton. So I would count weather out of the equation.
Out of curiosity, are you cleaning the gun after every shot. every other shot or every group. When we are at the range we clean after every shot or every other shot. I know when you get to much fouling in the barrel your gun will loose accuracy. Also it might not be the powder. It could very well be the gun. I know my Black Diamond hates power belt bullet's. They where all over the place. Couldn't get any kind of grouping. But I hear of people who love them and there gun's love them as well. I'm just wondering if you couldn't get better accuracy with your shooting by switching something up. Besides the sst bullets, I've used the Dead Center bullets with very good accuracy. Just a thought. Take it with a grain of salt.
My black Diamond hated the power belts as well -
I am with Hirshey on the group thing though. I am not sure how you can get a sub 3" group when your sight is taking up atleast 3" of the target at 100 yards
Yeah, my TC has shot well thus far (it is a hand-me down from my mother) with pyrodex select... both my TC and my parents and boyfriend's Knights don't like pellets. Loose powder. Powerbelt bullets have given us decent accuracy but apparantly some of our family and friends have had trouble with expansion, and have lost a few animals. Some of our family friends still swear by them though. It was my mother's last season with Knight's bullets when she couldn't get one down her barrel (second shot, cleaned well the night beforehand) this past deer season and lost a buck to it. That's one reason I like the TMZs so much.. they glide down the barrel for me.
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