Post by: chukarchaser on January 12, 2010, 08:15:42 PM
http://www.heraldnet.com/article/20100112/OPINION02/701129973#Police.chiefs.call.for.a.state.ban.
Post by: Jerbear on January 12, 2010, 11:08:08 PM
Post by: bonkellekter on January 13, 2010, 06:59:33 AM
Post by: ICEMAN on January 13, 2010, 07:07:17 AM
ASSAULT WEAPONS
Police chiefs call for a state ban
Larry Simoneaux’s Dec. 28 column on assault weapons overlooks a key point. (“Enforce gun laws on books already before passing more.”)
Many semi-automatic assault rifles on the market today can be easily converted to fully automatic operation with minor after-market modifications, and are often purchased with that purpose in mind.
A less obvious point is that, when it comes to taking life, semi-automatic weapons are as lethal as fully automatic weapons, which were banned in the 1930s because police were being gunned down by gangsters. True, a fully automatic weapon can fire far more rounds per second, but the bullet from a semi-automatic weapon is no less deadly.
All told, some 40 police officers across the country were killed by semi-automatic weapons over the last four years. FBI research shows these weapons account for nearly a quarter of police killed in the line of duty. It’s not surprising then that the International Association of Chiefs of Police have called for a ban. Yet, Washington has failed to ban assault weapons.
We have introduced a bill that will ban all future sales of semi-automatic assault weapons. A recent U.S. Supreme Court decision upholding individuals’ rights under the Second Amendment also expressly upheld the rights of states to make reasonable restrictions on dangerous firearms such as assault weapons. This legislation was not introduced to limit the rights of responsible gun owners and is an important step toward ensuring the safety of our police and preventing future large-scale tragedies.
Sen. Jeanne Kohl-Welles
D-Seattle
Sen. Adam Kline
D-Seattle
Post by: jackelope on January 13, 2010, 07:58:55 AM
source:
http://www.officer.com
Post by: woodswalker on January 13, 2010, 08:21:31 AM
Post by: Elkaholic daWg on January 13, 2010, 09:22:51 AM
as of june 2009 26 cops were killed in the country this year as a result of car accidents. should we take the police cars away too?
source:
http://www.officer.com
No they would take OUR cars away instead
Post by: bowhuntin on January 13, 2010, 09:34:13 AM
Post by: Dave Workman on January 13, 2010, 10:08:28 AM
Largely based on cosmetics, this legislation goes after pistols, rifles and shotguns, and a county sheriff says this kind of law won't prevent violent felons from getting guns.
Contains important contact information for Washington State Senate Judiciary Committee.
http://www.examiner.com/x-4525-Seattle-Gun-Rights-Examiner~y2010m1d13-Bill-introduced-to-ban-socalled-assault-weapons
Or try this:
http://tinyurl.com/yazh9p6
Post by: Jekemi on January 13, 2010, 12:02:07 PM
Let's keep up the fight, we will win out in the end. "out of my cold dead hands."
Post by: Shootmoore on January 13, 2010, 12:03:12 PM
(c) Any semi-automatic pistol, any semi automatic center-fire rifle, or any shotgun with a fixed magazine that has the capacity to accept more than 10 rounds of ammunition.
The key words to look at in this definition is "have the capacity to accept". This would cover any and all semi-automatic handguns. (remember its not magazines containing more than 10 rounds, but the firearms capacity to accept. This definition would also cover any and all semi-automatic rifles that "accept" a magazine. And any and all shotguns that "accept" a magazine extension.
This one line in this bill would affectivly outlaw the purchase and sale of ALL semi-automatic handguns in the state of Washington. ALL semi-automatic center-fire rifles AND the sale of all semi and pump action shotguns that have a removable cap from the magazine tube. With the wording in this bill, my grandfathers old savage pump .300 could be argued as falling under there definition of an "assault weapon" All it would take is for the ability to build a magazine that accepted 11 rounds that fit into the firearm. Which pretty much covers any and all rifles and semi-auto pistols.
Reading through this bill, it is more draconian and far reaching than the "assault weapons ban" of 94 ever thought of being.
Other provisions in this bill and the bill in total not only attacks the 2nd amendment rights but also chips away at the 4th as well.
I am sending a second round of letters to my state rep's now that I have read the bill being introduced, which is farther reaching than I even imagined.
Shootmoore
Post by: saylean on January 13, 2010, 12:13:43 PM
Post by: Ray on January 13, 2010, 12:15:51 PM
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(a) Safely and securely store the assault weapon. The sheriff of the county may, no more than once per year, conduct an inspection to ensure compliance with this subsection
Post by: Special T on January 13, 2010, 12:19:59 PM
Post by: halflife65 on January 13, 2010, 01:06:38 PM
Post by: saylean on January 13, 2010, 01:20:23 PM
Post by: Mookie on January 13, 2010, 01:33:10 PM
If this passed, I would move to Idaho or Montana....maybe Alaska. Hell with that noise.Been wanting an excuse to move for awhile.
Post by: huntnphool on January 13, 2010, 04:15:46 PM
Someone needs to hit them upside the head with a rock to wake them up, since rocks could never be used in an assault either. :bash: :stup:
Post by: Shootmoore on January 13, 2010, 05:09:20 PM
Well this makes perfect sense since everyone knows that single shot rifles, knives, baseball bats, axes, swords, crow bars, and of course revolvers with less than 10 round capacities, could absolutely, never, ever be used to assault anyone. :mor:
Someone needs to hit them upside the head with a rock to wake them up, since rocks could never be used in an assault either. :bash: :stup:
Remember this is just step 1 in a plan to ban single shot rifles, revolvers, single and double shotguns. Go for the "evil assault weapons first" then go after everything else and toss out the 2nd amendment.
Shootmoore
Post by: ADAMS on January 13, 2010, 06:11:15 PM
Post by: Bofire on January 13, 2010, 06:14:48 PM
Carl
Post by: Savage3006 on January 13, 2010, 06:18:57 PM
Post by: h2ofowlr on January 13, 2010, 06:58:06 PM
Post by: phishisgroovin on January 13, 2010, 07:21:05 PM
It very well could happen given the amount of blind, uninformed, sheeplike voting IDIOTS in this side of the state.Um, i fixed your post for you. :rolleyes:
Post by: Galpster on January 13, 2010, 10:10:42 PM
"Assault Weapons" Ban Proposed in Olympia!
Please Stand-Up and Make Your Voices Heard!
A group of four State Senators has introduced Senate Bill 6396, legislation that would bring California-style gun-control to the Northwest and ultimately ban many semi-automatic firearms commonly owned by Washingtonians.
This legislation would establish far-reaching restrictions on semi-automatic firearms (dubbing them "assault weapons") and ammunition magazines. SB6396 affects every firearm modified to conform with the now-extinct Clinton Gun-Ban plus many other semi-automatic firearms that have no lineage to those rifles or any military-style orientation whatsoever.
Like the failed Clinton Gun-Ban that sunset in 2004, this bill is about demonizing certain firearms based on how they look, not about crime fighting. This gun ban scheme will only punish law-abiding citizens and will do nothing to curb crime or keep criminals from obtaining firearms illegally. This is simply another attack on our Second Amendment rights in Washington State.
Please contact both of your State Representatives and your State Senator TODAY at 800-562-6000 and politely urge them to oppose SB6396. More contact information for your legislators can be found here.
Post by: justgetoutthere on January 13, 2010, 10:48:10 PM
Items addressed in this ban are:
* Detachable magazines which can accept over 10 rounds
* A pistol grip on a rifle or shotgun
* A thumbhole stock
* A folding or telescoping stock on a rifle or shotgun
* A barrel shroud
* A muzzle brake
* A grip other than can be held by a hand other than the trigger hand
* Any semiautomatic pistol, shotgun or rifle that has the capacity to accept more than 10 rounds
* Any shotgun capable of accepting a detachable magazine
* Any shogun with a revolving cylinder
* Any conversion kit that can make changes to a firearm to make the above changes possible
Note that almost any semi-automatic pistol is capable of accepting a magazine that can carry more than 10 rounds. Under this law, virtually all semi-automatic pistols would be rendered illegal.
For current owners of guns which are covered by this bill, the follow applies:
* The gun must be "safely and securely" stored. This isn't defined.
* The sheriff may do an annual inspection of the owner's home to ensure compliance.
* The owner may only have the gun in their house or may only transport it to or from a "licensed firing range".
* The gun must be transported locked, unloaded and out of reach of the driver when in the car going to and from the licensed firing range.
Now assuming that the safely and securely stored provision is reasonable (note that some states require that safely and securely means unable to be used or fired), the bill still requires that the owners allow the sheriff into their home annually to inspect it. This is clearly a violation of the Fourth Amendment.
http://www.examiner.com/x-28446-Tacoma-Independent-Examiner~y2010m1d13-Assault-Weapon-ban-bill-introduced-into-Washington-legislature
Post by: carpsniperg2 on January 13, 2010, 11:01:11 PM
Post by: justgetoutthere on January 13, 2010, 11:03:20 PM
Well this makes perfect sense since everyone knows that single shot rifles, knives, baseball bats, axes, swords, crow bars, and of course revolvers with less than 10 round capacities, could absolutely, never, ever be used to assault anyone. :mor:
Someone needs to hit them upside the head with a rock to wake them up, since rocks could never be used in an assault either. :bash: :stup:
Proof positive: http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10616618&ref=emailfriend
Post by: carpsniperg2 on January 13, 2010, 11:10:52 PM
Post by: longstevo on January 13, 2010, 11:35:11 PM
I cannot speak for my seatmates on this issue. I am opposed to the bill, however, and anticipate that it will not make it out of the Senate.
Craig
This is what my representative responded back to me when I wrote him when news of this bill first went around when it was called "Aaron Sullivan Safety Act."
Post by: longstevo on January 14, 2010, 12:03:25 AM
Post by: KNOPHISH on January 14, 2010, 09:39:19 AM
Post by: Jekemi on January 14, 2010, 10:14:28 AM
Post by: Shootmoore on January 14, 2010, 10:17:41 AM
the NRA is heavily involved now.
Speaking of which, I was just on there to renew my membership. I had been doing it by mail and did not realize that they have a payment plan for life membership now. I just never had the cash all at once to get a life membership before. I now have the payment plan set up. $25 a quarter is well worth the money in my opinion.
Shootmoore
Post by: Deep Forks on January 14, 2010, 10:20:25 AM
the NRA is heavily involved now.
Speaking of which, I was just on there to renew my membership. I had been doing it by mail and did not realize that they have a payment plan for life membership now. I just never had the cash all at once to get a life membership before. I now have the payment plan set up. $25 a quarter is well worth the money in my opinion.
:yeah: Thanks for the info
Shootmoore
Post by: Ray on January 14, 2010, 05:37:05 PM
Post by: ICEMAN on January 14, 2010, 08:24:06 PM
One stop shopping: http://apps.leg.wa.gov/DistrictFinder/Default.aspx
Do it now!
Post by: sisu on January 16, 2010, 04:00:45 PM
ALERT
Assault Weapons Ban for the State of Washington was proposed my four State Senators that would bring California style gun control to the NW and ultimately ban many semi-automatic firearms commonly owned by Washingtonians. Like the failed Clinton Gun-Ban that sunset in 2004, this bill is about certain firearms based solely on how they look, not about fighting crime. This gun ban scheme will only punish the law-abiding citizens and will do nothing to curb crimes or keep criminals from obtaining firearms illegally. The link has been show above so no need for me to include.This legislation would establish far-reaching restrictions on semi-automatic firearms (by calling the assault weapons) and ammunition magazines. SB 6396 affects every firearm modified to conform with the now extinct Clinton Gun-Ban plus many other semi-automatic firearms that have to lineage to those rifles or any military style orientation.
Here are a few highlights of this bill, mine you there is MORE!!!!!!!!
1. Labels some pistol, rifles and Shotguns Assault Weapons on looks alone, and bans them. Places criminal FELONY penalties for violations.
2. Prohibits the manufacture, purchase or transfer of Assault Weapons, box magazines(over 10 rounds) and conversion or parts kits to build certain firearms.
3. Allows for the inspection of your home by Law Enforcement to ensure compliance.
4. Prohibits the use of Assault Weapons on public lands(except for authorized ranges.
Please join me and others in making our voices heard, by calling the Republican members of the State Senate Judiciary committee and expressing our displeasure concerning Senate Bill 6396.
Senator Bob McCaslin Ranking Minority Member (R) 4th Legislative District
Olympia Office: 112 Irv Newhouse Building/ PO Box 40404/Olympia, WA 98504-0404
Phone (360) 786-7606 Fax: (360)786-1999
Senator Mike Carrell Republican Deputy Floor Leader (R) 28th Legislative District
Olympia Office: 102 Irv Newhouse Building/ PO Box 40428/Olympia, WA 98504-0428
Phone (360) 786-7654 Fax: (360)786-7819
Senator Pam Roach (R) 31st Legislative District
Olympia Office: 202 Irv Newhouse Building/ PO Box 40431/Olympia, WA 98504-0431
Phone (360) 786-7660 Fax: (360)786-7173
Post by: woodswalker on January 16, 2010, 04:15:27 PM
The bill says.Quote(a) Safely and securely store the assault weapon. The sheriff of the county may, no more than once per year, conduct an inspection to ensure compliance with this subsection
Seems like that could be DANGEROUS duty...with a wicked off citizenry might be scary to do that.
Da Kamerad....
Post by: longstevo on January 17, 2010, 05:21:45 AM
Is there any email for these Senators? I'm away from phone lines right now...
Please join me and others in making our voices heard, by calling the Republican members of the State Senate Judiciary committee and expressing our displeasure concerning Senate Bill 6396.
Senator Bob McCaslin Ranking Minority Member (R) 4th Legislative District
Olympia Office: 112 Irv Newhouse Building/ PO Box 40404/Olympia, WA 98504-0404
Phone (360) 786-7606 Fax: (360)786-1999
Senator Mike Carrell Republican Deputy Floor Leader (R) 28th Legislative District
Olympia Office: 102 Irv Newhouse Building/ PO Box 40428/Olympia, WA 98504-0428
Phone (360) 786-7654 Fax: (360)786-7819
Senator Pam Roach (R) 31st Legislative District
Olympia Office: 202 Irv Newhouse Building/ PO Box 40431/Olympia, WA 98504-0431
Phone (360) 786-7660 Fax: (360)786-7173
Post by: sisu on January 17, 2010, 11:14:32 AM
Is there any email for these Senators? I'm away from phone lines right now...
Please join me and others in making our voices heard, by calling the Republican members of the State Senate Judiciary committee and expressing our displeasure concerning Senate Bill 6396.
Senator Bob McCaslin Ranking Minority Member (R) 4th Legislative District
Olympia Office: 112 Irv Newhouse Building/ PO Box 40404/Olympia, WA 98504-0404
Phone (360) 786-7606 Fax: (360)786-1999
Senator Mike Carrell Republican Deputy Floor Leader (R) 28th Legislative District
Olympia Office: 102 Irv Newhouse Building/ PO Box 40428/Olympia, WA 98504-0428
Phone (360) 786-7654 Fax: (360)786-7819
Senator Pam Roach (R) 31st Legislative District
Olympia Office: 202 Irv Newhouse Building/ PO Box 40431/Olympia, WA 98504-0431
Phone (360) 786-7660 Fax: (360)786-7173
Legislative finder (http://apps.leg.wa.gov/DistrictFinder/Default.aspx)
Post by: TheHunt on January 17, 2010, 12:39:43 PM
Legislative finder (http://apps.leg.wa.gov/DistrictFinder/Default.aspx)
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This is the easiest method to communicate. You send your senator your message and you cc your representatives at the same time.
Now that is good tax dollars at work. Please make sure you in your email or phone call that you represent your house hold. This means there are more then one vote at that house.
Post by: rainshadow1 on January 18, 2010, 10:57:16 AM
If you haven't written in or called, Go For It, the louder we are this time, the more they'll hesitate next time...
Washington “Assault Weapon” Ban Impacts All Firearm Owners!
Stand-Up and Make Your Voices Heard Now!
Last week, NRA-ILA informed you about Senate Bill 6396, legislation that would bring California-style gun-control to the Northwest and ultimately ban many semi-automatic firearms commonly owned by Washingtonians.
In fact, SB 6396 is more far-reaching than it appears on the surface and will absolutely impact a gigantic swath of Washington firearm owners, including concealed pistol license holders, hunters and competitive pistol shooters. As examples, consider the following restrictions that flow from the provisions of this horrendous piece of gun control legislation:
Ø Every semiautomatic AND PUMP-ACTION rifle and shotgun that has a detachable magazine and has a pistol grip located rear of the trigger (yes, that is just about all of them) is defined as an “assault weapon” and is banned under SB 6396!
Ø If you and your child/children are out in the woods plinking with his or her Ruger 10-22 and there are more than 10 rounds in the magazine, you are a FELON!
Ø If you are a Concealed Pistol License holder and your semi-auto self-defense pistol contains more than 10 rounds, you are a FELON!
Ø The use of firearms defined as “assault weapons” (see first bullet point) are banned for use in hunting!
Ø Competitive shooters will be impacted as any semi-auto pistol that has a detachable magazine and is equipped with a muzzle brake or compensator is defined as an “assault weapon!”
Ø If you own a firearm(s) defined as an “assault weapon” on the date this bill becomes law, you can keep it if you are willing to allow your Sheriff to come into your home once every year to ensure you store your firearm(s) appropriately!
Senate Bill 6396 is proof that the gun-ban groups and politicians are not interested in only banning semi-automatic firearms that happen to look like military firearms. This bill shows where they really want to go with their agenda! This gun ban scheme will only punish law-abiding citizens and will do nothing to curb crime or keep criminals from obtaining firearms illegally. This is not only another attack on our Second Amendment rights in Washington State, but an attack on your Fourth Amendment right against unreasonable searches of your home!
Please contact both of your State Representatives and your State Senator TODAY and urge them to oppose SB 6396!
Brief messages can be left for your legislators by calling the toll-free legislative hotline at 800-562-6000. Legislators’ direct phone numbers and email access can be found by clicking on their names either here for Senators: http://www.leg.wa.gov/Senate/Senators/Pages/default.aspx
or here for Representatives:
http://www.leg.wa.gov/house/representatives/Pages/default.aspx
Post by: SilkWWU on January 18, 2010, 12:54:23 PM
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Post by: ICEMAN on January 19, 2010, 05:28:43 AM
I can't imagine this bill passing...
I used to think similarly, until of late with all of the feel good legislation pursued in this state and nationally. I just do not trust legislators....
Post by: rainshadow1 on January 19, 2010, 09:38:27 AM
I can't imagine this bill passing...
Don't overlook the fact that lots of the Puget Sound Basin politicians really, REALLY WAAAANNNNNTTTTTT this kind of law on the books. Seems so socialist and elitist as to not be believed in a free society.... but it's a fact! Believe it or not!
The realistic and freedom loving American legislators need us behind them to get the message across to those pinkos. WRITE IN!
Post by: actionshooter on January 19, 2010, 09:45:09 AM
I can't imagine this bill passing...
Even though the two don't have anything to do with each other, the people pushing for this are using the slain offiecrs as a tools to push this bill.
With the current liberal gov., this bill has a good chance of passing, unless everyone gets off their asses.
Post by: andytoshif on January 19, 2010, 10:21:20 PM
I'm glad I went to visit Sportsman's Warehouse this afternoon and was informed of this bill. Thanks to the above posters who provided the links to track down my legislators.
Please be sure to email all your friends and ask them to comment to our elected officials as well.
-Andy
Post by: longstevo on January 19, 2010, 10:25:11 PM
They're all democrats...
Post by: ICEMAN on January 20, 2010, 04:30:56 AM
Time to get a bit more serious, I don't like being ignored. >:(
Post by: saylean on January 20, 2010, 12:12:48 PM
Mr. Boze:
Representative Eddy asked that I get back to you on her behalf. She wanted to thank you for letting her know your thoughts on SB 6396. According to what she is hearing, the legislature is unlikely to pass an assault weapon ban this year. As of this morning, this bill has not even been scheduled for a public hearing -- the first step towards a full vote before the House or Senate.
Thank you for taking the time to let her know your position on this issue. The input is helpful and always welcome.
Paula Rehwaldt
Legislative Assistant to Representative Deborah Eddy / 48th Legislative District / 360.786.7848
Notice how she didnt say she wasnt for it, only that it was unlikely to pass this year.
Amazing.
Post by: longstevo on January 20, 2010, 10:28:56 PM
We'll see.
:dunno:
Post by: Jekemi on January 22, 2010, 03:11:01 PM
The members of the Senate Judiciary Committee must hear from you before they consider SB 6396 at the 10 a.m. hearing on Tuesday, January 26! If at all possible, please attend the Judiciary Committee meeting on Tuesday to personally voice opposition to this misdirected legislation. The hearing will be held in Hearing Room #1 in the Cherberg Building. Arrive at least an hour early to park and sign in. Here is a map of the Capitol campus: http://www.ga.wa.gov/images/campus-map.pdf. The list of committee members and their contact information can be found by visiting http://www.leg.wa.gov/Senate/Committees/JUD/Pages/MembersStaff.aspx
Post by: ICEMAN on January 22, 2010, 06:43:12 PM
Good info Jekemi.
Post by: Shootmoore on January 22, 2010, 07:44:58 PM
Shootmoore
Post by: jeff s on January 24, 2010, 09:29:47 PM
Post by: bow4elk on January 25, 2010, 11:09:32 AM
Post by: longstevo on January 26, 2010, 01:51:23 AM
This rep said he was a fellow gun owner and didn't support this bill as it is worded.
Key words there being as it is worded.
We'll see.
Post by: Shootmoore on January 26, 2010, 10:35:51 AM
Shootmoore
http://www.tvw.org/media/LiveTemplates/LiveWME.cfm?evid=2010010151&bhcp=1 (http://www.tvw.org/media/LiveTemplates/LiveWME.cfm?evid=2010010151&bhcp=1)
Post by: Pathfinder101 on January 26, 2010, 03:00:18 PM
Post by: andytoshif on January 26, 2010, 07:43:41 PM
Friends,
Today’s hearing on Senate Bill 6396, the assault weapons ban, was packed to the rafters and the hallways were overflowing. Thanks to your calls, e-mails and letters, the search provisions of the bill were removed from the bill almost before the hearing began!
With your help and support, I expect this bill to be stopped in its tracks. I’ll keep you posted should there be need for an “Alert.” We all know that in Olympia, nothing is for sure until the gavel pounds on the final minute of Sine Die – scheduled for March 11. Meanwhile, here’s a quick look at the hearing in progress.
For the full hearing, a link to TVW.Org, the legislature’s television station. Senate Judiciary, 10:00 am. http://tvw.org/index.cfm?bhcp=1;
Enjoy!
JEROME
Post by: madmack76 on January 26, 2010, 08:03:59 PM
Post by: Pathfinder101 on January 27, 2010, 08:55:32 AM