Post by: Galpster on January 21, 2010, 11:19:59 AM
So what do other 0dd 6 shooters use and why?
Post by: chrisb on January 21, 2010, 11:21:19 AM
Post by: Bofire on January 21, 2010, 11:25:24 AM
Carl
Post by: Huntbear on January 21, 2010, 11:26:22 AM
Post by: C-Money on January 21, 2010, 11:27:04 AM
Post by: Galpster on January 21, 2010, 11:27:37 AM
Post by: jackelope on January 21, 2010, 11:32:08 AM
I also don't think bullet quality is hype but thats just me. the triple shocks don't grenade when they hit and don't do near as much meat damage.
corelokts shoot well for enough people that they can't be bad...i just never tried them. i'd be more concerned about what they do when they hit something rather than how well they shoot in hunting situations. most bullets will shoot well enough for most hunters in hunting situations. contrary to my sig line, you don't need a 1/2" rifle to kill a deer or elk.
Post by: Buckmark on January 21, 2010, 11:35:25 AM
I have not tried the factory loads with the Barnes bullets yet but i should.
Get a few different boxes of different brands and weights and see what your gun likes and then buy a gross of it..
Post by: Galpster on January 21, 2010, 11:36:55 AM
Post by: jackelope on January 21, 2010, 11:39:26 AM
Drew shoots core lokts in his RUM with great results too. I am now shooting hand loaded 180 accubonds in my 300 win mag.
i'll see if i have any -06 ammo left...if i do it's all yours.
Post by: GoldTip on January 21, 2010, 11:41:52 AM
I will disagree that premium bullets are a waste on NA animals. For the broadside shot at 300 yards or less on a deer/elk/bear/antelope, then yes I will concede they are probably not needed. It's when the shot is not so perfectly angled, or is a bit further out there, or maybe even very very close. Thats where the premium bullets pay off. :twocents:
Post by: Galpster on January 21, 2010, 11:45:24 AM
Post by: WDFW-SUX on January 21, 2010, 11:53:29 AM
If the twist rate is too quick or too slow accuracy will suffer thats why some rifles shoot heavier bullets and other shoot lighter bullets best.
The ballistic coefficient is how efficiently the bullets travels down range IE a round nose bullet is not going to fly as well as a polymer tip bullet...
This is the reason custom rifles exist..people want to have specialized performance so they have a rifle built for exactly what they are up too.
There are truly a million and one factors in accuracy and its really best to just see what your particular rifle like to eat.
Post by: Buckmark on January 21, 2010, 12:02:00 PM
I have used the 125, 150 and 165 grain and found my gun hated the 125, was good to go with the 150's and equal to the 150 with 165's so i personaly opted for the 165's. The 125's i hoped to use for yotes but that did not work out.
Every shooter can be alittle different also.
I gave a box of my handloads to a person i know with a remmy.
We both went shooting together using my loads, my groups with the model 70 were smaller than his with the remmy, bullet or gun or shooter? We never swapped guns to see if the groups changed.
Post by: WDFW-SUX on January 21, 2010, 12:08:47 PM
Land groove geometry and rate of twist...straightness of the action,stock contact with barrel, smoothness of the bore, barrel manufacture process, Ogive shape can all change things alot also...
Then there is the skill of the shooter.
It never ends...
Post by: Buckmark on January 21, 2010, 12:10:39 PM
Even two rifles of the same manufacture can be totally different..If the bolt face or the lugs are not square or just different than the other rifle you can have completely different results between the two guns.Dont forget the Moon phase.. :chuckle:
Land groove geometry and rate of twist...straightness of the action,stock contact with barrel, Ogive shape can all change things alot also...
Then there is the skill of the shooter.
It never ends...
Post by: WDFW-SUX on January 21, 2010, 12:12:16 PM
I may be maniacal about my rifles... :rolleyes:
Post by: Curly on January 21, 2010, 12:13:19 PM
My father has shot them as long as I can remember and that is why I have always shot them. He also used the smaller grain, 150, for elk, deer, and everything else. I have seen him drop elk at 400 yds with 150 grain corelokt. Why do people use real heavy grain bullets?
What is an "odd 6".?? ??? Never heard it called that before.
I think Corelokt bullets suck. I know I'll offend a lot of people with that statement, but it is just my opinion. Lots of people love them. I killed my first buck with a 150 gr corelokt out of an ought 6 at about 150 yds. The bullet hit one rib going in and then exploded. Sure the deer was DRT but there were lead fragment all over the chest cavity and it turned the heart and lungs into goo.
Maybe it is wrong of me to judge the Corelokt by one bad experience, but I have no need to give them anohter try.
People use heavy bullets to aid in penetration. Especially with bullets like the Corelokt, you need the extra weight so that when it loses some weight after impact, it will still have enough weight left to penetrate.
If you go to an all copper bullet like the Barnes, you will get close to 100% weight retention; so then you can get away with dropping down in weight of bullet. A 150 gr Barnes in the ought 6 would be pretty good for elk.
Post by: Buckmark on January 21, 2010, 12:14:24 PM
Defects in the crown..barometric pressure, temperature....I can go all day :chuckle:O.R.D.
I may be maniacal about my rifles... :rolleyes:
Post by: WDFW-SUX on January 21, 2010, 12:14:41 PM
We haven't even touched on cartridges and Optics...
Even regular vs decaf is an issue for me on days I shoot...
Post by: Bofire on January 21, 2010, 01:04:52 PM
The bullet would not make me hesitate for 1 second to drive a 30/06 180 grain corelokt thru a big bull elk from butt to brisket and it will do it just fine. An argument might be made for Brown bear, but not for anything else on North America.
Carl
Post by: jackelope on January 21, 2010, 01:26:48 PM
Defects in the crown..barometric pressure, temperature....I can go all day :chuckle:O.R.D.
I may be maniacal about my rifles... :rolleyes:
O.C.D.
Post by: WDFW-SUX on January 21, 2010, 01:32:39 PM
Post by: WDFW-SUX on January 21, 2010, 01:34:50 PM
Post by: Buckmark on January 21, 2010, 01:35:51 PM
Nope, O.R.D. - Obsessive Rifle Disorder... :chuckle:Defects in the crown..barometric pressure, temperature....I can go all day :chuckle:O.R.D.
I may be maniacal about my rifles... :rolleyes:
O.C.D.
Post by: bobcat on January 21, 2010, 01:37:36 PM
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Post by: rasbo on January 21, 2010, 01:43:28 PM
A core-lokt might be ok at slower speeds, which is why the 180 may perform acceptably from a 30-06, especially at longer distances. When the non-premium bullets have trouble is when they are pushed faster than what they were designed for. Spending a little more on a good bullet is money well spent and is good insurance. You never know what type of shot you'll be presented with and it's nice to not have to worry about whether the bullet is up to the task. With a Barnes you can take a Texas heart shot on a bull elk if that's all you're gonna get and not have to worry about not getting enough penetration. You also don't have to worry about fragments of lead scattered throughout your meat. Bullets, even the premiums, are a relatively cheap part of hunting and I can't think of anything that's more important than having a bullet that WORKS when you need it to. There's nothing wrong with a core-lokt bullet for deer but I sure wouldn't use them on elk when there are much better options available.the 165 grain dumps a lot of elk in the 06.. my dad dropped a moose in its tracks with a 150 in a .308 put them where they belong,meat on the table
Post by: WDFW-SUX on January 21, 2010, 01:45:37 PM
Post by: bobcat on January 21, 2010, 01:50:45 PM
the 165 grain dumps a lot of elk in the 06.. my dad dropped a moose in its tracks with a 150 in a .308 put them where they belong,meat on the table
I realize the core-lokts will work great most of the time but I just like a little extra insurance and don't mind spending a few more bucks on a bullet that I know is 100% reliable.
Post by: Red Dawg on January 21, 2010, 03:18:48 PM
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Post by: huntnphool on January 21, 2010, 03:38:32 PM
Post by: chrisb on January 21, 2010, 04:35:12 PM
Has anyone tried shooting 150,165,200 grain to see if there is a difference in accuracy? Or is it all about impact?
In my particular rifle there was a noticeable difference in 180gr vs. 150gr..... that is to say that when i had my scope zeroed with the 180's and tried a 150 point of impact was off. However it did remain consistently off and grouped well.
Post by: timberghost72 on January 21, 2010, 05:35:54 PM
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Post by: Phantom Gobbler on January 22, 2010, 11:41:30 PM
My question is what factory load should I switch to that will give me more stability in my 06? I would like an accurate load with a bullet type and weight that will work for Deer, Bear and Elk. Is this asking too much? My max shooting range is approx. 300 yards.
Post by: bobcat on January 23, 2010, 12:28:52 AM
Barnes is another good one to try. Since it is 100% copper and won't lose much, if any weight, you can use a lighter bullet than you would normally. I'd try either 150 or 168 in the Barnes.
Post by: Curly on January 23, 2010, 08:44:58 AM
And for the Core-lokt fans, Remington does have a bonded Core-lokt bullet they call the : "Premier Core-lokt" (http://www.remington.com/product-families/ammunition/centerfire-families/premier-core-lokt.aspx)
Post by: Galpster on January 23, 2010, 12:53:52 PM
Post by: Dansk on January 23, 2010, 01:26:01 PM
165gr Barnes TSX
The cool thing is this load for an '06 will work for anything up to bull elk- meaning I dont swap between 150 for deer and 180 for elk - no need to buy different ammo, I don't worry about memorizing two sets of balistic tables, and don't need to re-sight.
I like to keep things as simple as possible. :twocents:
I've heard the 168 is an excellent TSX bullet for deer/elk, but haven't seen it in a factory load.
Post by: MooseStock on January 23, 2010, 01:59:43 PM