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Big Game Hunting => Muzzleloader Hunting => Topic started by: superdown on January 21, 2010, 06:46:33 PM

Title: T/C Northwest Explorer
Post by: superdown on January 21, 2010, 06:46:33 PM: I just went and picked up my new t/c muzzy in camo. here are a few cell pics.

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Title: Re: T/C Omega Northwest
Post by: bobcat on January 21, 2010, 07:31:21 PM: Looks nice, what was the price and where did you get it?
Title: Re: T/C Omega Northwest
Post by: turkey slayer on January 21, 2010, 08:27:19 PM: nice gun
Title: Re: T/C Omega Northwest
Post by: superdown on January 21, 2010, 08:28:38 PM: $379.99 + tax = $435.33 at sportco they price matched wholesale sports because they were $40.00 more than wholesale sports . they have a lay a way at sportco that's why i got it from them . when i was in there earlyer today they still had the SS/black model.
Title: Re: T/C Omega Northwest
Post by: carpsniperg2 on January 21, 2010, 08:42:31 PM: make sure you keep us updated on what it shoots best, have you thought about what you are going to try for a bullet yet. most of the reviews i have read say they like the t/c maxi hunters very well. if they would shoot sabots better and had a faster twist to do so and could use musket caps i would own one as well keep us updated.
Title: Re: T/C Omega Northwest
Post by: carpsniperg2 on January 21, 2010, 08:58:58 PM: this is the manual that i found from t/c is this a diffrent gun than yours? i thought it was this one.
PRIMING THE
T/C NORTHWEST EXPLORER
WARNING: DO NOT PRIME THE FIREARM UNTIL YOU
ARE ACTUALLY READY TO FIRE AND YOU HAVE
DOUBLE CHECKED TO ENSURE THAT THE RAMROD
HAS BEEN REMOVED FROM THE BORE. THOMPSON/
CENTER DOES NOT RECOMMEND PRIMING THE
FIREARM UNTIL THE INSTANT BEFORE FIRING. CARRYING
A CHARGED, PRIMED T/C NORTHWEST EXPLORER CAN
BE DANGEROUS. ACCIDENTAL DISCHARGE IS A CONSTANT
HAZARD WHICH, IF IT OCCURS, CAN CAUSE INJURY
AND/OR DEATH TO THE SHOOTER OR BYSTANDERS
AND DAMAGE TO PROPERTY. THE ONLY SAFE WAY TO
GUARD AGAINST AN ACCIDENTAL DISCHARGE IS TO
CARRY YOUR T/C NORTHWEST EXPLORER UNPRIMED,
WITH THE HAMMER IN THE "AT REST" POSITION AND THE
MUZZLE POINTED DOWNRANGE AWAY FROM YOURSELF,
BYSTANDERS OR PROPERTY.
If you have followed the preceding instructions in this manual,
your firearm will now be charged with Black Powder or an
approved Black Powder substitute such as Pyrodex® and a projectile
will be firmly seated against the powder charge. The ramrod
will be returned to the thimbles under the barrel and your
ramrod will be marked to the exact seating depth of the
powder/projectile combination that you are using - allowing you
to ensure that each future projectile is also seated to the same
depth in the bore.
+++The T/C Northwest Explorer muzzleloading rifle uses a No.11
percussion cap for ignition.++++
With the muzzle pointed in a safe direction, open the action by
pivoting the trigger guard down and forward.
Title: Re: T/C Omega Northwest
Post by: carpsniperg2 on January 21, 2010, 09:01:07 PM: when i talked to the factory they said you could not use musket caps in the gun above or it would ruin it and void the warranty
Title: Re: T/C Omega Northwest
Post by: bobcat on January 21, 2010, 09:12:16 PM: Well this is a different gun than the one we were talking about before, I think. I don't remember a "Omega" Northwest. If it truly is an Omega, then it would make sense that it would have the same barrel as the original Omega, which has a 1 in 28 twist. But I don't know about musket caps, the Omega is make for 209's. It's too bad T/C doesn't have some info on their website about these "northwest" editions. I think maybe tomorrow I will have to go to Wholesale Sports and take a look at it.
Title: Re: T/C Omega Northwest
Post by: superdown on January 21, 2010, 09:13:53 PM: isn't a #11 percussion or musket cap the same thing or am i missing something :dunno: they had some of the same guns at wholesale sports on sale beacause they had the 1in48 twist and couldnt sell them they were like a hundred bucks less than the others .
Title: Re: T/C Omega Northwest
Post by: carpsniperg2 on January 21, 2010, 09:20:30 PM: they are 2 diffrent things the number 11 is about 1/3 the size of the musket caps and about 1/3 as hot as well they use 2 diffrent nipples as well and with more power "pop"it can damage the gun from whati was told by one of there gun makers it might be 1:28 now i am not sure from what i am reading
Title: Re: T/C Omega Northwest
Post by: lonedave on January 21, 2010, 09:23:36 PM: You might want to look at one of each and ask yourself. (definitely not the same)
Title: Re: T/C Omega Northwest
Post by: bobcat on January 21, 2010, 09:28:15 PM: I might have to go buy the one they have at a reduced price... the 1 in 48 twist doesn't bother me.
Title: Re: T/C Omega Northwest
Post by: bobcat on January 21, 2010, 09:30:03 PM: Here is a picture of a musket cap. The #11 is a lot smaller.
Title: Re: T/C Omega Northwest
Post by: carpsniperg2 on January 21, 2010, 09:30:19 PM: Quote from: superdown on January 21, 2010, 09:13:53 PM
they had some of the same guns at wholesale sports on sale beacause they had the 1in48 twist and couldnt sell them they were like a hundred bucks less than the others . but this one i made sure it had the faster twist before i bought it.

well than they must have put one out with a 1:28 twist,you said the others that were on sale were the same just with a slower rate of twist his is weird for sure wish dam t/c would put this crap on there web site :bash: they think we are podunks or somthingand don't feel they need to do a write up for us northwest guys i guess i was pissed when they stoped making a gun that was legal here so i bought a cva still use my black diamond xr but the cva shoots better for me.
Title: Re: T/C Omega Northwest
Post by: carpsniperg2 on January 21, 2010, 10:22:18 PM: i would call t/c to make sure that you can use a musket cap and put a musket cap nipple on that gun i would not want to see you get hurt from somthing goin wrong.
Title: Re: T/C Omega Northwest
Post by: superdown on January 23, 2010, 05:20:26 PM: correction : it does in fact use a #11 and does have the 1 in 48 twist :DOH: I talked to t/c on Friday and went to wholesale sports today and talked to their muzzleloader guy and it should be just fine to use a musket nipple on it . i had to go to sportco to get the right one for it . for the t/c brand nipple it was only $5.00.
Title: Re: T/C Omega Northwest
Post by: bobcat on January 23, 2010, 05:58:48 PM: Quote from: superdown on January 21, 2010, 09:13:53 PM
they had some of the same guns at wholesale sports on sale because they had the 1in48 twist and couldnt sell them they were like a hundred bucks less than the others . but this one i made sure it had the faster twist before i bought it.

Can you take that one back now that you know it has the 1 in 48 twist and go to Wholesale Sports and get the same gun for $100 less?
Title: Re: T/C Omega Northwest
Post by: Crunchy on January 23, 2010, 08:01:47 PM: If you havent shot it you probably could.
Title: Re: T/C Omega Northwest
Post by: superdown on January 23, 2010, 11:38:17 PM: the ones that are hundred dollars less are in fact the "omega" not the "northwest explorer's" . :rolleyes: sorry for the confusion.
Title: Re: T/C Omega Northwest
Post by: carpsniperg2 on January 25, 2010, 05:29:42 PM: o.k been away for awhile just got back a few hours ago, i stoped by the wholesale sports on the way back from our trip it seems you got it figured out now they only have the 1:48 which is what i thought it is up to you but the 1:48 will not shoot very well from my experience cons might shoot but all that i read was patch round balls was the best out of that gun. if it is not shot they might take it back if you tell them its not what you thought it was and won't work for you. but thats up to you i also put a call into t/c and they said that they do not advise you to use musket caps in that gun and it would void the warrenty with it as well if a guy used them :bash: that is why i am done with t/c they don't lisen to what the people want won't see any of my money for a long long time :chuckle: glad we got you set right :chuckle: if you have any questions shoot me a email i have been hunting with a muzzle loader since i was 15 and shooting one since i was 12.
Title: Re: T/C Omega Northwest
Post by: superdown on February 24, 2010, 10:56:25 AM: I am just going to stick with #11 . so i went to sportco and picked up some jim shockey's gold ffg and some hornady great plains 385 grain 50cal bullets . anyone use this powder or bullet?
Title: Re: T/C Northwest Explorer
Post by: bobcat on February 24, 2010, 11:09:17 AM: I've used those bullets but don't care for them just because I don't like having to deal with the lube. But other than that they should be fine for hunting, as long as they shoot in your rifle.
Title: Re: T/C Northwest Explorer
Post by: colockumelk on February 24, 2010, 11:43:04 AM: WTF did they make it in 1:48 twist for?? This would be a really nice gun if it was in 1:28 twist like every other modern muzzle loader.
Title: Re: T/C Northwest Explorer
Post by: superdown on February 24, 2010, 11:43:37 AM: what is it about the lube that you don't like ? what bullet do you use ?
Title: Re: T/C Northwest Explorer
Post by: dawhunt on February 24, 2010, 12:31:03 PM: I shot power belt bullets 348 gr in my muzzleloader 1:48 and they shot fine in fact very good.
At least try them no lube needed !!!,I'm sure someone has a few you could try.
I'll look and see if i still have some.
Bob
Title: Re: T/C Northwest Explorer
Post by: bobcat on February 24, 2010, 02:05:01 PM: Quote from: colockumelk on February 24, 2010, 11:43:04 AM
WTF did they make it in 1:48 twist for??

Probably for use in other states like Oregon, in which saboted bullets are not allowed. They apparently made it to be legal in Washington, Oregon, and Idaho, according to the information on their website. Personally I don't think the 1 in 48 twist is the end of the world. It shouldn't be difficult to find a bullet that will shoot in that twist.
Title: Re: T/C Northwest Explorer
Post by: bobcat on February 24, 2010, 02:06:15 PM: Quote from: superdown on February 24, 2010, 11:43:37 AM
what is it about the lube that you don't like ? what bullet do you use ?

Lube is just messy and I don't see a reason to use bullets that require it when there are other options that don't require it. Such as the powerbelt as dawhunt suggested.
Title: Re: T/C Northwest Explorer
Post by: superdown on February 24, 2010, 04:55:34 PM: I still have some 444grn powerbelts left over from a muzzloader my dad bought a few years back that i will shoot up. I was looking in the little pamphlet that comes with the Hornady great plains bullets and it says "great plains and other conical bullets shoot best in firearms with 1-48" or faster barrel twists. Barrels with a slower "round ball" twist (1-66") may not stabilize the bullet."
Title: Re: T/C Northwest Explorer
Post by: bobcat on February 24, 2010, 07:41:24 PM: The Great Plains bullets will be good for breaking in your barrel and sighting it in. For hunting I'd try to find a different bullet. Those 444 grain Powerbelts should be a good bullet. I always wanted to try those. I think those are the flat points, while all the other Powerbelts are hollow points. That 444 would be the one I'd want for elk.
Title: Re: T/C Northwest Explorer
Post by: colockumelk on February 25, 2010, 10:00:29 AM: Quote from: bobcat on February 24, 2010, 02:05:01 PM
Quote from: colockumelk on February 24, 2010, 11:43:04 AM
WTF did they make it in 1:48 twist for??

Probably for use in other states like Oregon, in which saboted bullets are not allowed. They apparently made it to be legal in Washington, Oregon, and Idaho, according to the information on their website. Personally I don't think the 1 in 48 twist is the end of the world. It shouldn't be difficult to find a bullet that will shoot in that twist.

I think I'll stick to my T/C Black Diamond. I bet it shoots my SST sabots more accurately than this Northwest gun and I already have a really good set up. I was just interested in it because of ease of cleaning. Oh well.
Title: Re: T/C Northwest Explorer
Post by: bobcat on February 25, 2010, 10:04:42 AM: Why is it easier to clean than a Black Diamond ???
Title: Re: T/C Northwest Explorer
Post by: carpsniperg2 on February 25, 2010, 10:23:12 AM: i don't think it is going to clean much easier than the black diamond i got the delux wrench for mine and it works pretty dang good. the 1:48 has always buged me but thats another topic :chuckle: already been there and talked about that.
Title: Re: T/C Northwest Explorer
Post by: superdown on February 25, 2010, 06:01:16 PM: went out and shot the T/C today the power belts do shoot better than the great plains bullets . was shooting at 60yds with 90grns of jim shockey's gold and was keeping 2.5-3in groups. man those 444grn powerbelts sure kick alot harder compared to the 385grn hornady .
Title: Re: T/C Northwest Explorer
Post by: dawhunt on February 26, 2010, 11:17:36 AM: I know about that kick :yike: !!!!!!!!!!! try the 348 gr. you'll be much happier REALLY !!!!!!!!!!!!!
Bob
Title: Re: T/C Northwest Explorer
Post by: dawhunt on February 27, 2010, 06:58:45 AM: I'd bet the 295 gr. would shoot great in that twist also !!!
Bob
Title: Re: T/C Northwest Explorer
Post by: colockumelk on March 02, 2010, 09:23:03 AM: Quote from: bobcat on February 25, 2010, 10:04:42 AM
Why is it easier to clean than a Black Diamond ???

Good point. Lets pretend I never said that :chuckle: