Post by: calawahsteelie on January 21, 2010, 08:38:55 PM
Post by: fishcrazy on January 21, 2010, 08:48:44 PM
You have described ecactly what I was looking for when I was boat shoping. I ended up buying a 21' Willie Raptor. It's hull is for all around use. It does allot of things well. I run it out of westport when it's not bad and can run some scary small rivers.
Give Mike Jackson @ Willie boats a call. They have some really great prices going now. Their boats are custom biult to each customers needs.
If you would like I could take you for a spin and show you my boat.
Kris
Post by: TEX-X on January 21, 2010, 10:25:31 PM
Post by: fishcrazy on January 22, 2010, 08:56:16 AM
If you have an out board you can tilt it up and pull the weeds out. On the inboard pumps they have a special "stomp grate? that when you step on it clears the grate for you. I don't have the stomp grate.
With this type of boat you will have a kicker motor so in the case you can't clear it you can limp back to the trailer and clear it.
Something els to think about more guys are getting the best of both worlds. they get the pump for the rivers and when they are going to spend allot of time in deeper water they run the prop. The prop will all so give you better fuel economy and more top end speed when yer out on the big water. It could cost you more money up front and a little time to swap the lower units out but might be a good way to go if you go with the out board.
Kris
Post by: TEX-X on January 22, 2010, 09:16:09 AM
Post by: fishcrazy on January 22, 2010, 10:27:14 AM
Intresting how the same technology is used 2 different ways. Some jet boat hulls are built like yer jet ski. They put a small tunnel on them to allow the pump to sit above the bottom of the hull. this really helps when running shallow water or in shallow water hole take offs. This tunnel can be a killer when running ruff water as it allows more air and debris to enter the suck zone of the pump. Over rev from sucking air when going over waves can reduce the life of an engine.
Kris
Post by: huntnphool on January 22, 2010, 12:12:21 PM
I keep a wetsuit in the bow just in case but have not had to use it to this point. It takes quite a bit before it requires actually getting in the water.
If you are really concerned you could always get a stomp grate, this would make it much easier, but I really dont think its a problem as long as you pay attention to where you are going, just avoid the floating crap.
Post by: Rick on January 22, 2010, 12:18:04 PM
So I'm about to upgrade from the 12ft smokercraft to a boat that will be more family friendly. I've been looking at a 18 to 20 ft aluminum with a extended transom. My young boys are at the age that water sports are coming into play. I plan to tow it with my truck and camper. I want to use the boat in the bay for salmon, play and fish in the Columbia in the summer and possibly run it on the lower Skagit. My question is can I run a jet pump in the bay without costing me a fortune?
Do you really think you need a jet for the places you've mentioned? I wouldn't consider any of the places you mentioned as needing a jet.
Being less efficient than a prop,a jet is going to cost you more. You'll need more engine,and it'll burn more fuel.
Post by: fishcrazy on January 22, 2010, 04:59:00 PM
So I'm about to upgrade from the 12ft smokercraft to a boat that will be more family friendly. I've been looking at a 18 to 20 ft aluminum with a extended transom. My young boys are at the age that water sports are coming into play. I plan to tow it with my truck and camper. I want to use the boat in the bay for salmon, play and fish in the Columbia in the summer and possibly run it on the lower Skagit. My question is can I run a jet pump in the bay without costing me a fortune?
Do you really think you need a jet for the places you've mentioned? I wouldn't consider any of the places you mentioned as needing a jet.
Being less efficient than a prop,a jet is going to cost you more. You'll need more engine,and it'll burn more fuel.
Kinda what I was thinking. A guy can always have both if you have an out board motor
Kris
Post by: huntnphool on January 22, 2010, 05:04:58 PM
Post by: h2ofowlr on January 22, 2010, 05:08:20 PM
Post by: huntnphool on January 22, 2010, 05:11:45 PM
Post by: cohoho on January 22, 2010, 05:31:24 PM
Post by: cohoho on January 22, 2010, 05:34:01 PM
I just took my 60/40 jet off my jon boat and replaced it with a prop. I was hunting in the shallow water, not open water and it sucked. I was constantly sucking up eel grass. If you can get out a little further it probably would be good. Everytime the wind picked up, I had bad cavitation going on and I had to crawl back to shore.
The boat sounded like it wasn't properly set up with regards to the foot angle at the bottom of the pump (to high on the transom), or the hull wasn't designed for a jet and pushed water away from the jet foot intake versus towards the pump or totally loaded wrong, i.e. weight too forawrd versus middle load..
Post by: cohoho on January 22, 2010, 05:37:46 PM
Inboard baby ;)
Agreed without doubt...... With HP too!
Post by: fishcrazy on January 22, 2010, 08:05:53 PM
I remember looking at boats. So much to choose from. It didn't take me long to narrow it down to 2 and finally just 1.
Kris
Post by: cohoho on January 22, 2010, 10:00:15 PM
There are boats strictly designed for extreme shallows, some better suited for big open water, then the class 4 water boats. Wish I could have one of each.. If that was true, without a doubt I buy back my old Alaskan Wooldridge for the shallows, exploring, hunting and fun running, buy a big old Hewes Craft like BC Chaser's for the Tuna and big water and keep my TJ for the Columbia---- hey a fellow can dream right....
Post by: fishcrazy on January 23, 2010, 09:26:13 AM
I find my self wishing I had one of them little flat bottom Willie Legends or even the Classic in about 20' with a 150 E-tec just for running the shallow small stuff. Or a 24' Grady White with twin 250 yamis for running off the Coast.
So many toys, So little money and time.
Some day when I win the lottery I'll have a bout 10 boats and a truck for each.
Kris
Post by: cohoho on January 23, 2010, 11:52:34 AM
Post by: huntnphool on January 23, 2010, 12:07:03 PM
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Or a 24' Grady White with twin 250 yamis for running off the Coast.
A buddy of mine has that exact boat, very nice fishing boat.
Post by: calawahsteelie on January 23, 2010, 04:19:17 PM
Post by: fishcrazy on January 23, 2010, 07:17:19 PM
Twin 250's :yike:----------------- I want to go.... N ow were talking HP...
If iI wasn't so tired of Mercury customer service I might go with twin 300 hp Verado's.
As for hp Go big or go home!!
Kris
Post by: Viszla on January 25, 2010, 11:32:07 AM
Post by: wildmanoutdoors on January 25, 2010, 12:18:37 PM
If your talkin a sportjet with a "outback" style mounting like a Motion Marine then its a good setup too. Although they are very loud. However, there are very fast.
If your talking an outboard jet on a "offshore" style bracket it wont work. The outboards need to be directly on the transom pretty much. You can have a hydro lift but it still puts the pump too far back for efficient water entry into the pump. It also submerdges it too deep getting on plane.
It can cause cavitation as well bad splashing coming into the boat over the transom. But a offshore bracket wont work in this case. The boat will still use the back of the transom for its fulcrum area and will submerge the intake too deep.
If you wanna fish the Big c an inboard Jet or prop are fine. Keep in mind though, if you wanna fish the Nootch or Satsop, Inboards are not the norm eticut wise. So your pretty much stuck to the Cow, Skagit and Big C.
Its hard to get the perect all around. Id go with a 20 foot open or like a Mariner NR and set it up for a outboard jet, Yamaha sells a 5" adapter kit so you can put the prop bottom on too as the outboard jets sits 5 inches higher than a prop lower.
If you buy another water pump kit its as easy as about 45 minutes to change over.
Good luck.
Post by: Dmanmastertracker on January 26, 2010, 09:23:30 AM
Post by: Dmanmastertracker on January 26, 2010, 09:33:23 AM
Post by: hawk eyes on February 15, 2010, 10:11:01 PM
Post by: cohoho on February 15, 2010, 10:18:25 PM
Post by: fishcrazy on February 16, 2010, 09:59:00 AM
Properly designed Jet hulls don't need trim tabs.... :chuckle:
You can say that again!!!!
Kris
Post by: Dmanmastertracker on February 16, 2010, 02:32:02 PM
Properly designed Jet hulls don't need trim tabs.... :chuckle:
Well, you can keep thinking that about Thundercrap inboard's :chuckle:. I like my tabs in the salt just fine, my TJ skipped like a rock, same degree hull as yours :rolleyes:.
Post by: lokidog on February 17, 2010, 04:26:54 PM
Post by: huntnphool on February 17, 2010, 04:51:59 PM
Post by: lokidog on February 17, 2010, 04:55:20 PM
Post by: cohoho on February 17, 2010, 05:49:15 PM
Properly designed Jet hulls don't need trim tabs.... :chuckle:
Well, you can keep thinking that about Thundercrap inboard's :chuckle:. I like my tabs in the salt just fine, my TJ skipped like a rock, same degree hull as yours :rolleyes:.
If you stay on top you don't got to worry about the chop... :chuckle: But TJ's do have a trim tabs (it is along the bottom of every jet boat they build) it sticks about 1 1/2 inches out and you have to bend it up or down with heavy duty pliers. For speed and crappy ride pull it up and for no chop and loss of speed bend it down. Of course you need to be on a nice flat lake that you can jump in and out of to tune it then forget about it, not recommend doing that in the Columbia, alittle too chilly for me... Besides that there is this fact- because I own a TJ doesn't mean I think they are the best... :yike: Again you'll never find the perfect boat, if you want to go everywhere you'll atleast three boats or have friends with different type boats... So as of right I need a friend with a big ocean boat...lol Honestly if you want a jet boat with outboard, you'll have a tough time ever beating a Wooldridge, ever! I ran all types of boats in AK on skinny water and rough water the Wooldridges were simply the best for that type water. If you want an ocean boat buy an Ocean boat cause you'll never get the best of both worlds with one boat....
Post by: Antlershed on February 17, 2010, 08:12:46 PM
the problem with a jet in salt is you have to go to fresh water to flush itI would hope you would flush any motor with fresh water after going in the salt. Oh, and the sportjet has a port to hook a garden hose to for flushing. :hello:
Post by: Dmanmastertracker on February 18, 2010, 08:53:38 AM
:yeah:Properly designed Jet hulls don't need trim tabs.... :chuckle:
Well, you can keep thinking that about Thundercrap inboard's :chuckle:. I like my tabs in the salt just fine, my TJ skipped like a rock, same degree hull as yours :rolleyes:.
If you stay on top you don't got to worry about the chop... :chuckle: But TJ's do have a trim tabs (it is along the bottom of every jet boat they build) it sticks about 1 1/2 inches out and you have to bend it up or down with heavy duty pliers. For speed and crappy ride pull it up and for no chop and loss of speed bend it down. Of course you need to be on a nice flat lake that you can jump in and out of to tune it then forget about it, not recommend doing that in the Columbia, alittle too chilly for me... Besides that there is this fact- because I own a TJ doesn't mean I think they are the best... :yike: Again you'll never find the perfect boat, if you want to go everywhere you'll atleast three boats or have friends with different type boats... So as of right I need a friend with a big ocean boat...lol Honestly if you want a jet boat with outboard, you'll have a tough time ever beating a Wooldridge, ever! I ran all types of boats in AK on skinny water and rough water the Wooldridges were simply the best for that type water. If you want an ocean boat buy an Ocean boat cause you'll never get the best of both worlds with one boat....
Post by: Dmanmastertracker on February 18, 2010, 08:55:11 AM