Post by: tucannon_coug on January 28, 2010, 05:14:13 PM
Post by: NWWABOWHNTR on January 28, 2010, 05:27:51 PM
Post by: tucannon_coug on January 29, 2010, 07:27:03 AM
http://wdfw.wa.gov/hunting/harvest/index.html
Post by: ThePascoKid on January 29, 2010, 10:40:10 AM
Post by: Pathfinder101 on January 29, 2010, 10:48:56 AM
I commented on this to WDFW last year when they posted these numbers, they claim the bear population in the blues is on a decline, I think they're full of it.
If the bear pop is on the decline, it's only because the bear and cougars have hammered the deer and elk herds... :bash: :bash: :bash:
The friggin' Blues are lousy with bears. I had one trail cam out this late summer and got 5 DIFFERENT bears on it. Look at a herd of cow elk in May, almost every cow has a calf. Look at the same group in September and count the claves...>:( >:( >:( It's enough to make you want to eat your own face...
Post by: BLUEBULLS on January 29, 2010, 11:01:14 AM
I commented on this to WDFW last year when they posted these numbers, they claim the bear population in the blues is on a decline, I think they're full of it.
If the bear pop is on the decline, it's only because the bear and cougars have hammered the deer and elk herds... :bash: :bash: :bash:
The friggin' Blues are lousy with bears. I had one trail cam out this late summer and got 5 DIFFERENT bears on it. Look at a herd of cow elk in May, almost every cow has a calf. Look at the same group in September and count the claves...>:( >:( >:( It's enough to make you want to eat your own face...
well said!
Post by: ThePascoKid on January 29, 2010, 12:13:15 PM
Post by: tucannon_coug on January 29, 2010, 12:36:19 PM
“The black bear population in the Blue Mountains appears to be stable.”
They also state that because of the School Fire and Columbia Complex fires a few years ago that excellent habitat for bears has been created in the Blues. There is no indication that there is any decline or health issues that would relate to the number of tags being issued.
Just as a side note, the 2009 winter elk survey reported the highest number of bulls in the Blues since they started counting in 1992 (697 total bulls, with 531 those being Adult bulls). Also the Bull-per-100-cows ratio is the highest it has been since 1992 (23 bulls per 100 cows) and the calf-cow ratio is also near a high at 29 calves per 100 cows. Hopefully we will start seeing the number of tags go up based on the last couple of years.
Post by: jackelope on January 29, 2010, 12:39:28 PM
2 of them saw bears, 1 didn't even see a bear and all of them covered a pretty good amount of country.
Post by: ThePascoKid on January 29, 2010, 03:06:26 PM
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“The black bear population in the Blue Mountains appears to be stable
That's not the response I got to my survey comments. If that's true why did they cut the permit numbers.
Post by: tntklundt on January 29, 2010, 04:15:56 PM
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Post by: KillerMiller on February 04, 2010, 06:14:57 PM
Post by: runamuk on March 06, 2010, 11:28:18 AM
I have been looking through the 2009 Game Status and Trend Report and in the WDFW's own words:
“The black bear population in the Blue Mountains appears to be stable.”
They also state that because of the School Fire and Columbia Complex fires a few years ago that excellent habitat for bears has been created in the Blues. There is no indication that there is any decline or health issues that would relate to the number of tags being issued.
Just as a side note, the 2009 winter elk survey reported the highest number of bulls in the Blues since they started counting in 1992 (697 total bulls, with 531 those being Adult bulls). Also the Bull-per-100-cows ratio is the highest it has been since 1992 (23 bulls per 100 cows) and the calf-cow ratio is also near a high at 29 calves per 100 cows. Hopefully we will start seeing the number of tags go up based on the last couple of years.
29 calves per 100 cows :yike: damn thats a low rate
Post by: jackelope on March 06, 2010, 09:10:16 PM
:dunno:
Post by: runamuk on March 07, 2010, 07:15:55 AM
it's almost an all-time high.That tells me they already are suffering if thats a high......thats a 25% ish rate thats lame any animal manager would know that is a horrible breeding return rate, so is it predation, bad genes, poor bull fertility :dunno: anyone in charge even give a crap ??
:dunno:
Post by: ThePascoKid on March 07, 2010, 08:09:40 AM
Post by: jackelope on March 07, 2010, 08:21:51 AM
it's almost an all-time high.That tells me they already are suffering if thats a high......thats a 25% ish rate thats lame any animal manager would know that is a horrible breeding return rate, so is it predation, bad genes, poor bull fertility :dunno: anyone in charge even give a crap ??
:dunno:
the ratio is on an upswing...thus showing somebody has been giving a crap I think. The blues elk herd is coming on strong by those numbers he posted.
Post by: BLUEBULLS on March 08, 2010, 07:01:27 AM
Post by: Pathfinder101 on March 08, 2010, 02:16:00 PM
a very high percentage of the cows get pregnant and have calves. go up the first of June and dang near every cow will have one. go up a month or two later and you'll be disgusted. The WDFW is doing great as far as trophy bulls are concerned but due to damage complaints and predator control, the cows/calves are taking a beating. and yes, that's a great way to kill a bear, they'll stay right with them elk herds. usually they'll be bigger boars too.
shhhhhhhh!! Couldn't this post have waited until AFTER everyone put in for thier spring bear tags..? :chuckle: