Post by: BIGINNER on February 02, 2010, 02:31:22 PM
WHAT CALIBER?
Post by: jackelope on February 02, 2010, 02:34:36 PM
:)
Post by: GoldTip on February 02, 2010, 02:35:39 PM
Post by: Intruder on February 02, 2010, 02:36:13 PM
Post by: croix on February 02, 2010, 02:38:22 PM
A one gun battery for the state of Washington. Look no further than the 30-06, maybe in a Tikka T3 lite would be a good inexpensive gun that won't break the bank but would be very durable. That or the same caliber in a Ruger all weather.:yeah:
Post by: Curly on February 02, 2010, 02:41:47 PM
Savage rifles won't break the bank either: http://www.savagearms.com/firearms/model/116FHSS (http://www.savagearms.com/firearms/model/116FHSS)
http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=155691102 (http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=155691102)
Post by: Intruder on February 02, 2010, 02:42:02 PM
Post by: BIGINNER on February 02, 2010, 02:44:53 PM
Post by: KillBilly on February 02, 2010, 02:51:29 PM
Post by: Curly on February 02, 2010, 02:54:47 PM
Federal does offer ammo loaded w/ 130 gr Barnes TSX. There's nothing you can't kill cleanly in the lower 48 with that load. Federal also offers 140gr Nosler Accubond.
http://www.federalpremium.com/products/rifle.aspx (http://www.federalpremium.com/products/rifle.aspx)
That said, I'd probably rather have a 30-06 for elk than the .270 Win, but it would be close.
Since you mentioned coyotes also, I figure the .270 might be a slighlty better alternative to the 30-06.
Also, I'm a fan of finding a load that a rifle loves and stick with that load for everything.
Post by: satchel3006 on February 02, 2010, 02:56:09 PM
Post by: KillBilly on February 02, 2010, 03:00:40 PM
Post by: Jamieb on February 02, 2010, 03:17:20 PM
Go to one of the big gun stores and handel a few. Find a rifle that fits and feels right, buy that one in dirty-06, 7mag, or what ever chambering.
Post by: carpsniperg2 on February 02, 2010, 03:34:29 PM
Post by: bobcat on February 02, 2010, 03:42:56 PM
Oh, and by the way, there is spell check available here. ;)
Post by: Mudeater on February 02, 2010, 04:13:12 PM
A one gun battery for the state of Washington. Look no further than the 30-06, maybe in a Tikka T3 lite would be a good inexpensive gun that won't break the bank but would be very durable. That or the same caliber in a Ruger all weather.IMO, thats about the best advice going. That Tika T3 is on the next gun list for me.
Post by: MikeWalking on February 02, 2010, 10:40:50 PM
I vote 30-06. If for no other reason than every rifle shooter oughta be able to say they owned one at some point in their life ;)
1. 30-30
2. 30-06
3. 375 H&H :twocents:
Post by: Skinnyman on February 06, 2010, 08:57:55 AM
For caliber, it depends how much recoil you can shoot well. I like bigger calibers, but for a good all around gun, something in the 30 cal range would be great!! 30-06 is great because you can find ammo and everything else for them anywhere. Everyone has a 30-06. But also take a look at the 300 Win Mag, hot gun, but significantly more recoil than a 30-06 (but you can always install a break later). Factory ammo in a 30-06 is $10-$20 a box cheaper than my Win Mag ammo. So keep that in mind. Buy a gun you can afford to shoot!!!!
My :twocents:
Post by: Skinnyman on February 06, 2010, 09:17:04 AM
Post by: Buckmark on February 06, 2010, 09:19:02 AM
I hate to say this but this is the best time of year to check pawn shops, tax time always produces a few more guns given up, and the way the economy has been has helped also. There can be some screaming deals found if you look, some may have new or barely shot guns and if you look hard, wheel and deal some have very good scopes also. Just last week i found a Model 70, 30-06 NIB for a great deal, may have to get it. Dont be afraid to ask if they having anything in the back that is coming out in 30 days or less, most will let you put a hold on it and it's your after it cmes out (i have bought alot this way, nobody but the store personel saw it).
Also ask if how long it's been on the rack, some may tell you and deal that way.
I bought a .257 weatheryby the other day that the shop had had for awhile, price was ok but the scope on it was junk, i got the guy to swap out the scope with a lupey 3x9 vari II off another gun that had been there along time with no difference in price (first guy said no we wont do that, but the owner overheard and came over and said no problem we can make it work)..
Post by: Hunterman on February 06, 2010, 09:21:40 AM
You can't go wrong with the .30-06. Plu if you shot store bought ammo its every were..
Hunterman(Tony)
Post by: ribka on February 06, 2010, 09:43:54 AM
I bought one 5 years ago and great shooting gun. Lite and accurate and good all around firearm
Post by: huntmando on February 06, 2010, 01:42:03 PM
Post by: 44 Flattop on February 06, 2010, 04:55:34 PM
Get a bolt action 30-06 and a 3-9x40 scope.+1
44
Post by: hillbilli on February 07, 2010, 12:19:42 PM
I really think as long as you have a rifle in the 30-06 class of power, and you can hit with it, it doesnt matter much which cartridge it is. I use .308, but .270, .280, 7mm mag, even 8mm mauser, they all are in that class of power. i went with .308 because my auto was .308, and surplus ammo was available. The surplus .308 ammo is about gone now, and 30-06 is available anywhere that carries ammo.
Post by: bobcat on February 07, 2010, 12:28:18 PM
Something I just thought of, I am not sure if you hunt a lot of public lands, but if you do you will want a gun/caliber with a lot of "drop" factor. As washington regs state the last person to put a bullet through an animal gets to keep the animal (it does not state that the animal needs to be alive or dead while this happens).
I've never seen any regulation in the pamphlet that addresses that issue. As far as I knew, it was whoever got to the animal first and notched their tag. Didn't matter if that person even fired a shot at all.
Post by: Jamieb on February 07, 2010, 07:46:44 PM
Post by: Buckmark on February 07, 2010, 07:51:07 PM
Post by: 270Shooter on February 07, 2010, 08:05:27 PM
I am kind of surprised nobody jumped on the whole "Drop factor" and marginaly place shots comment..I dont wear boots when I hunt, I wear my running shoes :chuckle:
Post by: Bofire on February 07, 2010, 08:16:58 PM
30/06 is a great cartridge, an excellant killer. Look in the books not at the 'bull shooter area" the old 06 is a better "magnum" than some of the "magnums". with 150's it is a flat shooter with the 180's it will kill anything in North America easily, and is still fairly flat.
Carl
the shot that 'counts' in this state is the one that kills it, wounds don't get points.
Post by: Buckmark on February 07, 2010, 08:33:33 PM
Post by: Buckmark on February 07, 2010, 08:35:20 PM
A 270 is a fantastic Deer rifle, but a little light on Elk.
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I think Jack O'conner rolled over in his grave at that statement..
Post by: Phantom Gobbler on February 07, 2010, 08:38:40 PM
Post by: danceswitharrows on February 08, 2010, 06:41:58 PM
But if you want to break the mold 257 wby mag 8)
Post by: high country on February 08, 2010, 07:27:55 PM
the good news on the 270 and 30-06 is they can both shoot run of the mill bullets and provide great results. think about the fact that every single bullet produced pre-wsm was designed for the 270 win velocity (wby guys relax) 30-06 pretty much gets away with the same benefit.
the best rifle you can get is the one that you an shoot acurately every single time. .03" is not enough to make a pinch of crap difference.........IME
Post by: BIGINNER on February 12, 2010, 08:51:39 AM
Post by: BIGINNER on February 12, 2010, 08:53:28 AM
Post by: high country on February 12, 2010, 08:57:10 AM
Post by: Pathfinder101 on February 12, 2010, 09:47:54 AM
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A 270 is a fantastic Deer rifle, but a little light on Elk.
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I think Jack O'conner rolled over in his grave at that statement..
He did. I heard him. And there is no bigger fan of the .270 than I am. But, as stated earlier, if you are going to buy ammo off the shelf, the 30-06 has a much wider range of bullet weights to choose from.
By the way, I have been seeing a lot of good deals on Remington 700 ADLs (like the other Rem 700s, but no drop plate, which most people don't use anyway). 2 guys that work for me have bought one in the last 2 months. If you can find a WalMart (yeah, I know...shudder..) that still sells rifles you could pick one up for a really good price. Just replace the scope on it.
Post by: high country on February 12, 2010, 10:02:28 AM
Post by: Curly on February 12, 2010, 10:07:38 AM
ok well i made my choice. lol i got a savage mod. 110 in .270 win. i will not use this gun for elk, i have a mosin nagant that i use for elk, its very acurate, and i would never take a shot at anything past 100 yards with it. i shoot 1" groups at 100 yards with open sites with the mosin nagant, (beleive it or not, its a very accurate rifle)
Well, if you decide to go elk hunting and want to shoot longer than 100 yards, you may want to take the .270. Like I said before, Federal has cartridges loaded with 130 gr Barnes TSX and 140 gr Nosler Accubond; both of which will kill elk just fine......
Congrats on the new rifle and shotgun.
Post by: Pathfinder101 on February 12, 2010, 10:21:52 AM
ok well i made my choice. lol i got a savage mod. 110 in .270 win. i will not use this gun for elk, i have a mosin nagant that i use for elk, its very acurate, and i would never take a shot at anything past 100 yards with it. i shoot 1" groups at 100 yards with open sites with the mosin nagant, (beleive it or not, its a very accurate rifle)
Well, if you decide to go elk hunting and want to shoot longer than 100 yards, you may want to take the .270. Like I said before, Federal has cartridges loaded with 130 gr Barnes TSX and 140 gr Nosler Accubond; both of which will kill elk just fine......
Congrats on the new rifle and shotgun.
:yeah:
Post by: bobcat on February 12, 2010, 10:39:08 AM
Post by: BIGINNER on February 12, 2010, 10:40:23 AM
Post by: bobcat on February 12, 2010, 10:42:11 AM
Post by: Curly on February 12, 2010, 10:45:12 AM
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from DakotaMan wrote 26 weeks 6 days ago
The 7.62x54R is a famous old cartrige. Adopted as the service round for the Russian Army in 1891, it has lasted over 100 years. Many Mosin-Nagant rifles chambered in it have been made available as miliaty surplus. Some shoot better than others. Some shoot well enough to be a hunting rifle. The cartrige is more comparable to the .308 Winchester than the .300 WSM but it is a formidable deer cartrige when loaded with hunting bullets rather than with full metal jackets. Depending on how yours shoots, you might consider hunting with it. If you are happy doing nothing more than putting an inexpensive fixed 2 1/2 power scope on it, I would give it a try. It will probably shoot fine for timber hunting out to 150 yards... maybe more if you have a good shooter. I don't think the recoil is any worse on a Mosin-Nagant than with any other comparable rifle weight in .308. What is different is the muzzle blast... with most military loads they are just scary loud because that is a lot of bullet to fire in such a short barrel... consequently, it is very LOUD and has a big muzzle blast and flames from lots of unburned powder. They aren't too pretty as a hunting rifle but the deer won't know the difference from the most expensive .308 on the planet when hit in the boilerhouse with a good 150 grain hunting bullet going 2900 fps.
Mosin Nagant (http://www.fieldandstream.com/answers/guns/rifles/ammunition/i-have-mosin-nagant-9130-made-1943-it-fires-762x54r-data-i-have-seen-)
Post by: Pathfinder101 on February 12, 2010, 01:06:53 PM
Post by: LRshooter on February 13, 2010, 08:09:32 PM
Post by: Huntbear on February 13, 2010, 08:24:49 PM
.308 will keep up with an 06 with 150 & 165 gr. bullets. If I need bigger, I pick up my .338. If I need something to shoot fast and flat, I shoot my .257 AI. Short calibers, pushing bullets just as fast, just as accurate, and just as deadly on deer and elk.
Best all purpose caliber? .300 WSM Short Action, Better ballistics than an 06.
just my :twocents: flame on.
Post by: bobcat on February 13, 2010, 08:30:39 PM
Post by: high country on February 13, 2010, 08:36:18 PM
Well, am going to say something that will get all you 06 and 270 people going. I can not stand them. If I am shooting a long action it is gonna be a magnum. Why shoot a long action non magnum when there are short action calibers just as good, but more powder effecient?
.308 will keep up with an 06 with 150 & 165 gr. bullets. If I need bigger, I pick up my .338. If I need something to shoot fast and flat, I shoot my .257 AI. Short calibers, pushing bullets just as fast, just as accurate, and just as deadly on deer and elk.
Best all purpose caliber? .300 WSM Short Action, Better ballistics than an 06.
just my :twocents: flame on.
no flame, I just think it is ironic that you would dislike the 308 and like the bob.....afterall the bob has nothing on the 2bit-06......let alone the 257roy.
6.5-284........the original short fat with big potential
Post by: elkaholic123 on February 13, 2010, 08:42:49 PM
Post by: Huntbear on February 13, 2010, 08:52:00 PM
Post by: Mudeater on February 13, 2010, 10:14:33 PM
A 308 will not keep up with an '06. It's impossible. The 30-06 holds more powder. the 308 isn't far behind, that's for sure, but then the 30-06 is also just a c-hair away from the 300 WSM velocities. If the 308 is just as good as the 30-06 then the 30-06 is just as good as the 300 WSM.+1, well said, cant add a thing.
Post by: Curly on February 14, 2010, 09:23:41 AM
Well, am going to say something that will get all you 06 and 270 people going. I can not stand them. If I am shooting a long action it is gonna be a magnum. Why shoot a long action non magnum when there are short action calibers just as good, but more powder effecient?
.308 will keep up with an 06 with 150 & 165 gr. bullets. If I need bigger, I pick up my .338. If I need something to shoot fast and flat, I shoot my .257 AI. Short calibers, pushing bullets just as fast, just as accurate, and just as deadly on deer and elk.
Best all purpose caliber? .300 WSM Short Action, Better ballistics than an 06.
just my :twocents: flame on.
Best all purpose..... .300WSM? That may be true if you're strictly looking at ballistics. But if you take a look at other variables such as cost of factory ammo and availablility of ammo, it's hard to argue against the 30-06 or even the .270. For a guy that doesn't reload, I think the .270 or 30-06 would be better than the .300WSM if he wants to get a lot of shooting practice in and not break the bank doing it.
Post by: Bob33 on February 14, 2010, 09:30:41 AM
That criterion favors more common calibers such as 308 and 30-06. You can buy Core-Lokt ammunition on sale for them for under $20. The WSMs are great but will cost more to shoot, for the most part.
If ammo cost and recoil are not a consideration, then I would lean towards a 300 magnum (either WSM or Win Mag).
Post by: C-Money on February 14, 2010, 09:54:49 AM
Post by: Thenewguy on February 14, 2010, 11:11:15 AM
Post by: bobcat on February 14, 2010, 11:14:19 AM
Post by: Thenewguy on February 14, 2010, 01:14:09 PM
The 7/08 doesn't have any more "punch" than the 270, and is NOT flatter shooting than the 308 or 30-06. Well, with the right bullet it could be slightly flatter shooting than the 308, but not any significant amount. And definitely not flatter shooting than the 30-06. That's impossible, the 30-06 is a longer case with more powder capacity, which translates into more velocity.
The 7mm-8 is a higher caliber (granted not a ton) so it does had a slight amount more "stopping power" then a .270. If the guy is a new shooter, flinching and the like will cause him to be significantly less accurate with the higher kicking .308 which has little gains over a 7m-08. This is even more apparent in a 30.06 although the fps gain is more extreme.
I was shooting my 30.06 with 180 gr (yes i understand it is a bigger bullet, but isn;t that the real advantage of an .06?) at a velocity of 2700 at 100 yards which is reduced to 1726 at 400 yds. With my -08 I shoot 2850 at 100 and 2170 at 400 yards.
I know that personally, I am less likely to flinch and have been incredibly more accurate, out to longer distances, with a 7mm-08 then a 30.06. Each person will have their own preference and results. But this is my experience
Post by: high country on February 14, 2010, 03:15:41 PM
btw, there is .007" gain from a 270 to a 7mm.....that is less then the thickness of a business card...it is not enough difference to matter.
if anything has "stopping power" it would be the 6.5's or 338's.........look at their sd's
Post by: bobcat on February 14, 2010, 04:16:14 PM
The 7/08 doesn't have any more "punch" than the 270, and is NOT flatter shooting than the 308 or 30-06. Well, with the right bullet it could be slightly flatter shooting than the 308, but not any significant amount. And definitely not flatter shooting than the 30-06. That's impossible, the 30-06 is a longer case with more powder capacity, which translates into more velocity.
The 7mm-8 is a higher caliber (granted not a ton) so it does had a slight amount more "stopping power" then a .270. If the guy is a new shooter, flinching and the like will cause him to be significantly less accurate with the higher kicking .308 which has little gains over a 7m-08. This is even more apparent in a 30.06 although the fps gain is more extreme.
I was shooting my 30.06 with 180 gr (yes i understand it is a bigger bullet, but isn;t that the real advantage of an .06?) at a velocity of 2700 at 100 yards which is reduced to 1726 at 400 yds. With my -08 I shoot 2850 at 100 and 2170 at 400 yards.
I know that personally, I am less likely to flinch and have been incredibly more accurate, out to longer distances, with a 7mm-08 then a 30.06. Each person will have their own preference and results. But this is my experience
I don't totally disagree with everything you are saying, but it's just totally wrong to say a 7/08 beats a 30/06 or a 270. And it's so close to a 308 that there is virtually no difference. If you want less recoil and a little flatter shooting in a 30-06, use a 150 or 165 grain bullet. You don't need a 180 grain bullet. As highcountry said, the slight difference in diameter between a 270 and a 7mm isn't enough to matter (.277 versus .284) and you'll have a tough time beating the velocity of a 270 with a 7/08, although it won't be too far off.
The point is there just isn't as much difference between cartridges as you seem to think. The bullet you use in each particular cartridge is what makes the difference.
Post by: jamesjett on February 15, 2010, 11:54:17 PM