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Other Activities => Fishing => Topic started by: Sporting_Man on February 10, 2010, 05:07:48 PM
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I am seriously considering a "do-it-yourself" trip to Alaska this summer. :P ;) I am planning to spend some 5-6 days in Morgan Landing area - to target some big KINGS and try fill my cooler with REDS as well.
Now, when is the best time to go? Late Jun, maybe early July? Should I go later and target Silvers?
I would greatly appreciate any serious inputs/advice. :)
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Would be fun to get a few boats and some guys going up together.
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Your going to drive your boat to the Kenai? Thats a long float...
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My father-in-law is guide(since 1978) on the Kenai. The best time for kings and reds is usually July. Silvers are August. Last time I was there I brought back 140lbs of Reds :IBCOOL:
http://home.gci.net/~fishak/ (http://home.gci.net/~fishak/) this is his web site.
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pay attention to the motor restrictions
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Ahh, let me get straight here - no boat. I want to explore this on foot... I know it is not as productive, but some guys still catch kings in 50 lbs. range from Morgans Landing area...
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Tough without the boats for kings on the Kenai. Should still do really good with the reds.
July is the time to go. You can catch the reds and the kings will come in. Guy I was with got one in the mid 60's and I got several (catch and release except for one that accidentally got killed) in the 40's.
They increased the red limit to 6 when I was there and I caught a whole bunch (releasing the vast majority). I also took about a half day and jumped on a halibut charter and came home with about 100 pounds of halibut. I ended up boxing up a bunch of reds and halibut and sending it through Alaska air and having to go pick it up at the airport. I'll try to scan some pics when I get home - just got a new printer and not sure how it's going to work.
There's only a couple of hours of dark at night. I literally slept maybe 2 hours a night on a lawn chair if I slept at all, got up, grabbed coffee with instant breakfast and went fishing every day. I only had 5 days to fish, so I didn't want to waste it sleeping and I sure as hell wasn't going to waste any time drinking beer or anything stupid like that. I dozed in the boat when we were fishing for kings during the middle of the day. Painful but really fun.
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Be sure to go Halibut fishing while you are up there , this is the last year before the IFQ quota for charter boats . Prices will sky-rocket and there will be A limited amount of captains that will be able to participate . Good luck !
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Apparently, some people just wade in and cast heavy drift gear for Kings. I was told by someone who did it. He came back with 65 pounder.
My plan is as follows: Fly to Anchorage, rent a car, drive around and try to fish every stream there is in vicinity... then, late that day, hit Kenai and do some serious fishing. Go to Russian river, or some other spot for reds, if kings are not cooperative, or if I catch my world record right away... I would stay there for 4 days like this. Maybe camp, maybe rent a cabin...
I need to know what kind of gear I need there, for example I have a Heavy Action Casting St. Croix - 12-25lbs line test, 1/2 - 2 Oz lure weight that is 9' long. I would put ABU Record 61 on it... Another one would be some medium-heavy 9.5 footer from my arsenal, with Sustain 4000 for reds and possibly kings, if something happens to the other one.
Is it cold there in July. Breathable waders or neoprens? I know it rains there a lot during summertime...
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Sure, I will be open for taking a charter for 'buts, if available at the time.
Oh, another thing - firearms? Can I bring my Ruger GP100 along, to avoid ending as brown bear's lunch? I know that rifle would not be a problem, but handgun - how does that work? I mean, with Alaska laws, does it have to be concealed, or open carry?
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I was there last year and went in the beginning of Sept. Crowds were gone by then. I did a DYI trip and rented a car in Anchorage and drove down to the Kenai. I was using a fly rod was targeting steelhead ( incredible, ) dollies, rainbows, silvers. Did really well and met a lot of very nice people. Went out for halibut one day out of Homer and brought some meat home. Rented a canoe and floated the Kenai for 2 days and caught some huge rb's
Bring breathable waders, a good rain jacket, head net for bugs, buy bear spray in Anchorage and Walmart and bells to put on your pack for bears. Would not bother with a handgun stick with spray. If you were in the back country then yes to bringing a firearm.
It is a fun trip and very doable DYI trip. PM for more specifics if interested.
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I have driven up to the Kenai 2x. Both trips were well worth it. If I was gonna do it again I would personally go later in the season. I don't really have the urge to bank a large King, I prefer the Silvers and Reds on a fly. The crowds die way down after King season as well, I had a whole 300yd stretch of the Kenai to myself. There are plenty of places that you can catch big Kings without a boat. My largest up there was only 56, but one of they guys banked a 70ish fish he could barely lift it for a pic.
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if you are gonna drive out of anch and don't like the crowds there is always good fishing up in the valley
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Without doubt 3rd Week of July is the best for the second run of Kings and the Reds will be plentiful beyond anything. Super Tuesday is the best day IMO... Tuesday of the 3rd Week, guide haven't been out during the weekend or Monday, I went seven years in row on that day and always scored a 60 lb ball park king. HP restriction is 50HP at the power head not out drive if jet.. Used to 35... :yike: You can rent a boat, but go the guided route if you want to see the holes the first day.. Are you retired mil? Guard or Reserve, reason asking is you can rent a boat pretty cheap from Out door rec on Ft Rich... or Elmendorf... Kenai is crowed, so go up with that mind set.... If you want a adventure, but need a big jet boat with HP to run it and go guided the first trip... The Klutina river near Glenallen, 4th of July then you can go to Valdez and literally catch 100's of pinks for fun... Reds would be pretty decent also...
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Coupla pictures of what it looks like...
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Guys, thank you for all the info.
I wouldn't mind renting boats or even going for paid guided boat trips daily. I only want to avoid guided packet-arrangements -being on a boat only and not sightseeing and having some freedom. I can easily stay for 6-7 days (plenty of vacation time and money). I just like to do it "my way"... besides, I like fishing from banks if possible.
However, I am receiving mixed messages - some people almost religiously recommend late June/early July, and some would think that nothing is lost even in late July. I definitely want to try my luck on Kenai kings, for sure. Keep coming with your comments, this is interesting.
Thanks again.
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halflife65, those are dandy kings! :drool:
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The early king run(late june) has a catch and release bracket. Which pretty much means you can only keep small ones or a really big one. Also, it is usually no bait. Go late July as the late run of kings and reds are bigger and there are no size limits on the kings. Go to AK fish and game website and look up the past few years of fish counts for the Kenai. You can get a good idea of what kind of fish numbers to expect. We do the trip every year in mid-late July, it's a blast.
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Viszla, do you think that boat is a must there, at that time?
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Yes and no. It definatley gives you an advantage, especially for kings. We have never fished for kings from shore but a lot of people do so I can't really discredit it. Expect shore fishing to be combat style, especially at the Russian river. We drive a motorhome with our boat in tow. You can access a lot more shore fishing places with a boat, although it's getting tough to find a legal shore to fish from. A couple years ago ADFG closed a lot of the shore down to bank fishing because they claimed the bank fisherman were causing too much erosion. In reality, it's the boat wake from the thousand boats going up and down the river everyday.
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Seems like late July, then... What kind of rods do you guys use for sockeye there? Those rivers are wide and banks seem to be clean, so 9', or 9.5' rods would be ok? Medium heavy actions, or just your standard steelhead, medium action rod?
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Medium heavy is what we use with 20-30lb line. You gotta horse 'em in so you're not tangling everyone up downstream.
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Medium heavy is what we use with 20-30lb line. You gotta horse 'em in so you're not tangling everyone up downstream.
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Combat fishing for reds on the Kenai. It actually wasn't as bad on the Russian. However, there are so many fish that if you get tangled you'll get a pass and not in a fistfight like on the Cowlitz.
I thought it was hard to fish for kings without a boat, though.
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How big their sockeye are? 10lbs on average - or smaller? I have never had one caught.
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When I used to work for Alaska Airlines I would go up every summer with a group of guys that I worked with. We always went the third week of July. By then the quota on the nets had been filled and the reds were free to run up the river (and the bugs were not bad). Not sure if that is the same now or not, but maybe somebody would know on here. We used to go to Soldotna and fish the Kenai there. If you take the Sterling Hwy and cross the river there is a campground on the right. I think it is first come first serve, but if you get there midweek you should be able to get a spot. They have a nice boardwalk down to the river where you can wade in and you could easily spread out from the other fisherman. Also come dinner time or later in the night there was hardly anyone there. There are a lot of nice lodges up and down the river where you could stay also. All with access to the river. The ADFG also has other boardwalks that you can use. You may want to contact them. The one I can think of is off Lingenberry Lane or Griffen Ave. There is also a boat launch there where you could wade down in the river and fish.
As for firearms I never found a need to have one. There are bears around, but with all the people we never saw one. In Soldotna there was a no shooting law within the town limits, so if you did hear a shot you always assumed it was over a bears head. When we started camping further out of town on my buddies uncle's property he started bringing his .338 Win Mag. Of course we had our fish cleaning station in the back of the camp, but made sure it was cleaned up daily with no morsels for anyone to find.
One other thing you should do when you are their is go watch the Alaskans dip net for Salmon at the mouth of Kenai. When the tide comes in is the best time to go watch because that is when the fish will start up the river. You will see some crazy contraptions and see a lot of people get wet. Some scary moments out there.
Never did fish the Russian River. My buddy who was from there said it was not worth fishing due to all the people plus he said the reds were a lot fresher down river. If my memory is correct from high tide it only took the fish 8 to 12 hours to get up Soldotna area's where we fished.
As for rods I have a Lamiglass 9.5' in medium/heavy with a Shimano Symetre reel spooling 25# line. Worked great for reds, but the one time I think I hooked into a King the fish screamed my line off the reel and right to the middle of the river. I lifted my rod tip in excitement and popped the line right there with the fish still heading toward midriver. My buddy always took his big fly rods with monofilament on. Talk about an exciting fight when he hooked a fish.
Best of luck to you and have fun.
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Nice overview, Sportfury - many thanks.
I will plan for the third week of July, seems like. I have a freedom to go mid-week. Tickets seem to be steady @ $450. Ouch... But, I will be fine.
As far as my rods and reels go - I will have a heavy actioned St. Croix Avid 9-footer casting rod (10-25 lb line, 1/2 - 2 Oz lure weight) with ABU Ambassadeur 61, spooled with 20-25 lb mono for kings, and medium-heavy spinning St. Croix Avid 9.5-footer (8-17 lb line, 3/8 - 1 Oz lure weight) with Shimano Sustain 5000. I can go with 15-20 line on this one. I hope that this will cover my needs there. These are very sensitive rods, especially the MH 9.5 footer. I hope it is not going to be overkill for Sockeye.
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I have lots of insider info for the area up there. My best friend has family that lives on the Moose River. However, you have to take me with you to get the info!!!! :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle:
:dunno: :dunno:
Give me a day or so, will get you some info.
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I just moved down here from Alaska if i was you late June early July is the best time for kings in the valley pm me for some spots.Also caught allot of kings off the homer spit on a fly rod .