Post by: bbarnes on February 15, 2010, 04:57:29 AM
Post by: Skyvalhunter on February 15, 2010, 05:51:14 AM
Post by: runamuk on February 15, 2010, 06:53:15 AM
Well as you know one of the major problems is that the funds collected from licenses, tags, special permits, etc goes into the general fund of the state. Then the WDFW pulls money back out of that when needed. So instead of having a surplus we are helping to fund other programs that don't generate revenue. So no matter how much more the state changes the permits system, increase License cost, etc it will have little benefit to the WDFW funding.
this is exactly how I feel
no program can truly succeed if they have to keep asking for an allowance and are not in control of their own funding...
Post by: Maligator on February 16, 2010, 06:01:49 AM
Well as you know one of the major problems is that the funds collected from licenses, tags, special permits, etc goes into the general fund of the state. Then the WDFW pulls money back out of that when needed.
That is not be true. According to Federal Law passed in 1937 as the Wildlife Restoration Act but more commonly known as the Pitman-Robertson act requires that ALL state hunting license revenues be kept within the Wild Life program.
Post by: Old Dog on February 16, 2010, 08:40:12 AM
Well as you know one of the major problems is that the funds collected from licenses, tags, special permits, etc goes into the general fund of the state. Then the WDFW pulls money back out of that when needed.
That is not be true. According to Federal Law passed in 1937 as the Wildlife Restoration Act but more commonly known as the Pitman-Robertson act requires that ALL state hunting license revenues be kept within the Wild Life program.
Well, that's not intirely correct. 50% of hunting and fishing license revenues stay with Fish and Wildlife. The other 50% goes to the general fund. Still a chitty deal :bash:
Post by: runamuk on February 16, 2010, 08:57:45 AM
Well as you know one of the major problems is that the funds collected from licenses, tags, special permits, etc goes into the general fund of the state. Then the WDFW pulls money back out of that when needed.
That is not be true. According to Federal Law passed in 1937 as the Wildlife Restoration Act but more commonly known as the Pitman-Robertson act requires that ALL state hunting license revenues be kept within the Wild Life program.
Well, that's not intirely correct. 50% of hunting and fishing license revenues stay with Fish and Wildlife. The other 50% goes to the general fund. Still a chitty deal :bash:
exactly 1937 was a long time ago and many crooks and much legislation later this state does whatever it wants at the Capitol and be damned what they are supposed to do. If they do away with the commission there is the last block to the state general fund recieving all monies and then giving out an allowance of its choosing.
I also believed that the 1937 law prevailed until I did a bunch of digging and reading through budgets and lots and lots of crap to discover that nope....it doesn't work that way....
Post by: Skyvalhunter on February 16, 2010, 09:18:35 AM
So in the fiscal year of 2001-2002 $31,302,327 was collected. I bet its alot more now.
Post by: sako223 on February 16, 2010, 10:18:13 AM
Taking the wrong message with poor facts will only diminish any credibility.
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Well, that's not intirely correct. 50% of hunting and fishing license revenues stay with Fish and Wildlife. The other 50% goes to the general fund.Where do these figure come from?
2007-09 revenue source for combined operating and capital budget.
General Funds-State $110.4 million
Portion of state General Fund appropriated to WDFW.
Funds are derived from state tax dollars.
User fees $65.8 million
(State Wildlife Account) Commercial and recreational fishing and hunting license fees,
fines and forfeitures, and miscellaneous revenue.
Federal $128.7 million
Local $57.2 million
2007-09 budget $348.5 million
2009-11 level $352 million
2009-11 proposed budget cuts results $326.8 million biennium budget
Bonds $47.4 million
Funds are derived from the sale of general-obligation bonds.
Other funds $23.6 million
Funds in this category are dedicated to specific activities.
There are less hunters now than in the past and certainly a minority in the population. In short we are not self supporting and if we intend to be or want to act like it the battle will be tough.
License sales have varied from about $30 million to less than half that in 2006 at about $13 million according to the WDFW.
If we want to support the WDFW solely by license sale I am quite sure they would agree. It would cost several hundred dollars each annually and as more people drop out with the rate hike then we would have self imposed hike annually or semi annually.
Post by: bbarnes on February 16, 2010, 06:48:12 PM
Post by: spikehunter on February 16, 2010, 07:23:34 PM
Post by: Diehard0123 on February 17, 2010, 11:30:35 AM