Post by: DoubleJ on March 03, 2010, 12:52:54 PM
Post by: jackelope on March 03, 2010, 12:54:10 PM
Post by: DoubleJ on March 03, 2010, 12:58:32 PM
http://www.cabelas.com/p-0063900215597a.shtml (http://www.cabelas.com/p-0063900215597a.shtml)
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Post by: JackOfAllTrades on March 03, 2010, 01:16:13 PM
Hand load using a lighter bullet (125gn instead of a 180gn) with a lighter powder charge. That's pretty much all this stuff is. OK, Remington uses a copper bullet that's lighter than most of us would shoot at big game that is designed to expand better at lower velocities, but it does shoot 2" lower at 100yds since it's traveling slower.
I'm sure there are reasons to shoot that stuff. I just can't think of any. Sorry.
Man-up or install a Pachmayr Decelorator recoil pad. http://www.pachmayr.com/prefit-pads.php (http://www.pachmayr.com/prefit-pads.php)
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-Steve
Post by: Bob33 on March 03, 2010, 01:37:38 PM
I'm sure there are reasons to shoot that stuff. I just can't think of any. Sorry.You want lighter recoil, and you don't reload. Seems pretty straightforward to me. I shoot 300 Magnums but also kill deer with the 30-06 Managed Recoil ammunition.
Post by: jackelope on March 03, 2010, 01:42:35 PM
I'm sure there are reasons to shoot that stuff. I just can't think of any. Sorry.You want lighter recoil, and you don't reload. Seems pretty straightforward to me. I shoot 300 Magnums but also kill deer with the 30-06 Managed Recoil ammunition.
seems like a good enough reason to me.
Not all 11 year olds are ready to "man up" just yet. a pad only does so much.
We're not all reloaders, Steve..."man-down" a little. ;)
Post by: Straight Shooter on March 03, 2010, 02:18:39 PM
http://www.eabco.com/cgi-bin/shopper.exe?preadd=action&key=023-L308W1 (http://www.eabco.com/cgi-bin/shopper.exe?preadd=action&key=023-L308W1)
Post by: bobcat on March 03, 2010, 02:32:38 PM
I would say find someone who reloads, and talk him into loading up some low recoil 308's. A 125 grain Nosler Ballistic Tip at about 2400 feet per second would be a very good deer load and surely wouldn't have much kick to it.
Post by: DoubleJ on March 03, 2010, 02:55:01 PM
Post by: DoubleJ on March 03, 2010, 02:56:26 PM
Not sure if it's in stock, but try...
http://www.eabco.com/cgi-bin/shopper.exe?preadd=action&key=023-L308W1 (http://www.eabco.com/cgi-bin/shopper.exe?preadd=action&key=023-L308W1)
Nope. Out of stock there too. Is Remington even making this stuff anymore or is it just so popular they can't keep up with demand?
Post by: DoubleJ on March 03, 2010, 03:01:01 PM
I would say find someone who reloads, and talk him into loading up some low recoil 308's. A 125 grain Nosler Ballistic Tip at about 2400 feet per second would be a very good deer load and surely wouldn't have much kick to it.
Anyone reload living near Shelton that could contract this for me? I can get the parts, just need a reloader to tell me what to get and to put them together for me. I would much rather have Nosler BT's than the Remington bullets.
Post by: DoubleJ on March 03, 2010, 03:15:15 PM
Post by: Curly on March 03, 2010, 03:45:59 PM
http://www.hodgdon.com/PDF/Youth%20Loads.pdf (http://www.hodgdon.com/PDF/Youth%20Loads.pdf)
Post by: Bob33 on March 03, 2010, 03:54:50 PM
Read some more here.
http://www.chuckhawks.com/reduced_recoil_reloads.htm (http://www.chuckhawks.com/reduced_recoil_reloads.htm)
Post by: woodswalker on March 03, 2010, 04:58:21 PM
Post by: elk311 on March 04, 2010, 07:59:27 AM
I would NEVER let my 8 year old son shoot someone elses's reloads. I'm a reloader and know how meticulous that I am however, I also know how EASY it is to get it wrong. Save the risk and wait for commercial grade MFR ammo. It's tested, tested and re-tested lot-by-lot.
http://www.midwayusa.com/viewProduct/?productNumber=233209 (http://www.midwayusa.com/viewProduct/?productNumber=233209)
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Post by: lokidog on March 04, 2010, 08:54:00 AM
You might look at buying some inexpensive reloading equipment and do it with you son. This will give him some additional "ownership" on his hunting successes, will cost less in the long run than factory ammo (if you shoot as much as you should), you can find a load that your gun likes (factory ammo has a limited number of configurations), and you can step up the load as he is increasingly able to handle it.
You should check out Lee Loaders for a cheap way to go. I would get a digital powder scale to supplement it though. My dad used a Lee for many years and had good success with it. Ebay has a lot of reloading presses listed at good prices.
Good luck.
Post by: DoubleJ on March 04, 2010, 09:01:20 AM
This site is all about "opinions" so here goes...
I would NEVER let my 8 year old son shoot someone elses's reloads. I'm a reloader and know how meticulous that I am however, I also know how EASY it is to get it wrong. Save the risk and wait for commercial grade MFR ammo. It's tested, tested and re-tested lot-by-lot.
http://www.midwayusa.com/viewProduct/?productNumber=233209 (http://www.midwayusa.com/viewProduct/?productNumber=233209)
:twocents:
That thought crossed my mind last night too.
Post by: JackOfAllTrades on March 04, 2010, 09:31:05 AM
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I would NEVER let my 8 year old son shoot someone elses's reloads.
That thought ran through my mind too. Any reloader that puts him/herself in that position does open up some liability concerns. Personally, I don't think an 8 year old has any business shooting a 308. I don't understand the motivation for anyone to encurage a kid that young to shoot a high powered big game rifle. We hear of it all the time though.. Some kid sitting in a shooting shack overlooking a soy field shooting his first deer at the ripe age of 9 years old. A lot of kids don't understand 'death' at those young ages. You're the dad, that's your business.
This site is full of opinions; sure, I've got one or two. Here's some advise I have to give. Even some recoil energy less than 10 pounds.. Even down to 8 pounds is tough on a youngsters collar bone/shoulder. Kids should learn to shoot on low recoiling firearms. .22'sl, .223's and such. When you first started driving at the age of 15 and a half, did you just jump on the freeway? NO. You learned in the parking lot, moved out into town, got some experience then finally hit the interstate. Are you intending on letting this 8 year old hunt this year? Or are you trying to teach a lesson to a kid that's been bugging you about shooting your big rifle? I dunno... But one thing I explained in an offline message is that the Managed Recoil ammunition is using less charge of a faster powder, but the bullet is solid copper and designed to perform at slower velocities. Thus the bullet is not exiting the muzzle at normal or even light load velocities. This explains why it shoots up to 2" low at 100yds. This could equate to 10-12" low at 200yds. That's outside the pretty standard 8" kill zone for most big game. I just don't like this concept for hunting. It's OK for training. In fact, I used light bullets and relatively light charges for .243win when my boys were graduating from .22's and working their way up to being able to shoot hunting loads without wincing every time they pulled the trigger. If that's your objective, I guess I support that idea.
If you lived closer, I'd invite you over for a reloading session. Teach you how to reload, then allow you to use my equipment to get what you're looking for so you knew in your own mind that the reloads would be safe for you and your kid.
-Steve
Post by: carpsniperg2 on March 04, 2010, 09:40:34 AM
Post by: DoubleJ on March 04, 2010, 10:55:42 AM
As far as him being ready, he is more ready than a lot of people that go hunting. He has been around my father and brothers dead deer for years now. He's been to deer camp and made some hikes into the woods with my dad and has experienced everything except pulling the trigger on one himself. This year is his hunt. If I pull one after he gets his, then that's great. He will, with my instruction, make the decision on what deer to shoot and when. He has been studying for a couple of years now and could tell you as much about deer hunting as anyone that has never shot a deer before can.
Obviously "Knowing" about deer hunting and actually doing it are miles apart but, I think he's ready to bridge that gap now.
Post by: bobcat on March 04, 2010, 11:16:51 AM
I could possibly be talked into loading some up for you, but I am just really short on time with two little kids of my own, and my wife and I both working.
It would be especially easy if you bought new brass, say 100, and a pound of powder, probably H4895 as Curly suggested, 100 primers and 100 Nosler 125 grain BT's. You'd also have to buy the 308 dies, which you can get for about $30.
Post by: elk311 on March 04, 2010, 11:21:16 AM
If I remember right sites like Midway you can have them email you when thier stock is in. My quick search for that particular ammo showed everyone out-of-stock so everybody's in the same boat. If he only wants to shoot 2 rounds thats awesome it's 2 more rounds than most Wii/XBox kids are shooting these days. :yike:
Good job Dad ! ;)
p.s. just checked Midway again an right next to the "add to cart" button is "Remind Me" which will trigger an email the day they get new stock. Good luck !
p.s.s. Is Moe's BBQ still open? They have the BEST BBQ around...
Post by: JackOfAllTrades on March 04, 2010, 11:34:32 AM
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Right on! Dad's and Mom's know better than anyone else...
Don't get me wrong. I'm never one to discurage any kid from shooting/hunting. I do spend a lot of time at the range, and no.. Dad's and Mom's aren't always right. Not at all. (yes, I'm a dad)
It looks like this dad has done his home work and is comfortable with the kid's current shooting experience. He's a big kid. (not that bone structure is completely developed yet...)
Good luck. Hope you find some of those reduced loads for him to shoot.
-Steve
Post by: DoubleJ on March 04, 2010, 11:49:23 AM