Post by: Hurricane on March 03, 2010, 08:47:16 PM
Post by: BLKBEARKLR on March 03, 2010, 08:48:52 PM
Joe
Post by: Todd_ID on March 03, 2010, 08:49:53 PM
Post by: BLKBEARKLR on March 03, 2010, 08:50:52 PM
Q. What is the multiple-season hunting permit?
A. The multiple-season hunting permit allows a hunter (key Word) to hunt with all three weapon types, archery, muzzleloader, and modern-firearm during the general hunting seasons for deer and/or elk.
Q: What are the rules for multiple-season permit holders?
A: Multiple season permit holders must abide by all general season rules for the hunt in progress. The permit holder must also follow all the general season rules for archery during the general archery seasons, muzzleloader during the general muzzleloader seasons, and modern firearm during the modern firearm general seasons.
(For example, if hunting during the archery deer season in GMU 242 Alta, a hunter must use archery equipment; they can harvest a three point minimum mule deer buck from Sept. 1-15 or 3-point minimum buck or antlerless mule deer from Sept. 16-30; and they must follow all archery, general season deer, and all other hunting regulations).
Q. What is the bag limit?
A. The bag limit is one deer or one elk.
Q. Do I need to purchase a hunting license and tags before I can enter the drawing?
A. You do not need to purchase a deer or elk hunting license and tag to enter the multiple-season permit drawing.
Q. Where can I purchase the multiple-season hunting permit applications and when is the deadline?
A. You can purchase special permit applications over the counter at any hunting and fishing license dealer, or by calling toll-free 1-866-246-9453 1-866-246-9453 , or by using the internet at https://fishhunt.dfw.wa.gov/ . The deadline to purchase the applications is March 31, 2010.
Q. How much does the application cost?
The cost of the multiple-season hunting permit application is $6.50 for residents, $4.10 for youth, and $60.50 for non-residents.
Q. How much does the permit cost?
A. The permit is $180.00 for residents and $1,800.00 for non-residents, plus the cost of the original deer or elk license.
Q. How many multiple-season permits are going to be drawn?
A. 2,000 deer permits and 600 elk permits will be drawn. Permits will be randomly drawn by computer selection.
Q. When and how will I be notified of the drawing results?
A. We anticipate notifications will be mailed out by the end of April.
Q. How many applications may I purchase?
A. You may purchase one application for deer and one application for elk.
Q. How do I enter the drawing after I purchase the application?
A. Your application is automatically entered into the drawing unless you apply with a partner (there are no hunt choice numbers to submit).
Q. How does the multiple-season permit affect the deer and elk special permits?
A. If you draw a multiple season permit for deer or elk, then you may apply for all weapon types on your deer or elk special permit application (up to four hunt choices). You would also be able to apply for both eastern and western Washington for elk.
Q. Do I earn points for the multiple-season permit application if I do not draw a permit?
A. An applicant will retain a point each time he/she does not draw a permit.
Q. What if I am drawn, but decide not to purchase the permit?
A. Successful applicants will be allowed to purchase the permit on a first-come, first-served basis. The multiple-season permit is non-refundable and non-transferable
Post by: bobcat on March 03, 2010, 08:52:20 PM
Post by: Hurricane on March 03, 2010, 08:54:23 PM
Post by: BLKBEARKLR on March 03, 2010, 08:55:54 PM
I don't believe the question was answered in the Q & A's.
If you look at the first sentence it says HUNTER, that means individual, no matter how you interpret it, it still means SINGLE.
Post by: carpsniperg2 on March 03, 2010, 10:01:42 PM
Post by: sako223 on March 03, 2010, 10:06:58 PM
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If you look at the first sentence it says HUNTER, that means individual, no matter how you interpret it, it still means SINGLE.That's the way I interpret that sentence too.
However further down this sentence confuses it.
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A. Your application is automatically entered into the drawing unless you apply with a partner (there are no hunt choice numbers to submit).
Post by: bobcat on March 03, 2010, 11:06:33 PM
Post by: Blsum on March 03, 2010, 11:41:50 PM
I alway's thought you had to buy everything all at one time. :dunno:
Post by: Skyvalhunter on March 04, 2010, 05:34:06 AM
Post by: STIKNSTRINGBOW on March 04, 2010, 05:50:21 AM
Post by: trophyhunt on March 04, 2010, 06:31:23 AM
I have a question on this and I hope you guys can help me. I could not find the info on the DFW Website. My question is The Multi season tag is it an individual thing or can you put in as a group? I would like to put in for this. Any info you can help out with I would appreciate it. Thanks RobbyThis year they have changed it so you can apply with one other person.
Post by: bobcat on March 04, 2010, 07:08:30 AM
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4. Special hunting season permit applications:
A. Maximum group sizes are determined for each category. If
a group application is drawn, all hunters in the group will receive
a special hunting season permit and each hunter in the group can
take an animal. If the number of permits available in a hunt
category is less than the maximum group size, then the maximum
[ 2 ] OTS-2959.1
group size is equal to the number of permits.
i. Maximum group size for deer is 8.
ii. Maximum group size for elk is 8.
iii. Maximum group size for bear is 2.
iv. Maximum group size for cougar is 2.
v. Maximum group size for mountain goat is 2.
vi. Maximum group size for bighorn sheep is 2.
vii. Maximum group size for fall turkey is 4.
viii. Maximum group size for moose is 2.
ix. Maximum group size for multiple season deer is 2.
x. Maximum group size for multiple season elk is 2.
Post by: BLKBEARKLR on March 04, 2010, 07:42:46 AM
I tried last year with my wife and I to apply and they had said no it was an individual permit, so glad to see they changed it.
Thanks
Joe
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Post by: funkster on March 05, 2010, 08:14:20 AM
When is the drawing for the multi season tag ?If you get a multi season elk tag, could you hunt east side archery and west side modern firearm ?
The deadline is March 31st.
You can hunt east/west archery,muzzle and modern. Also you can put in for east/westside special permits.
Post by: STIKNSTRINGBOW on March 17, 2010, 09:58:56 AM
When I was on-line it did not give me that option, only the 2888-MULTI SEASON ELK, so I called the WDFW lisencing division, and the lady on the phone had to go ask someone.
When she came back she told me to submit the choice provided in the box
and she insisted that I was automatically entered into drawing and if I submitted on-line the ONLY HUNT CHOICE available, that it was the points option!
I asked her to repeat it several times and told her that made no sense, but she insisted, so I followed her advice....
I am sure she is wrong and now (because I cannot afford it) I will probably get drawn :bash:
NEVER FOLLOW ADVICE FROM THE IDIOTS THAT WORK AT THE WDFW !!!!!
I should have just not applied, but I want the point.
Post by: buckhorn2 on March 17, 2010, 10:14:01 AM
Post by: jackelope on March 17, 2010, 10:14:21 AM
Maybe it's not an option this year, since that is just something new in the proposal, which hasn't even been approved yet.
after you buy the application you have to go in and submit your application this year. At this point you'll have to choose individual, group leader or group member. I just helped a co-worker through this last night on both the deer and elk m/s applications he bought.
I started a different thread with a warning about this here:
http://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php/topic,46571.msg563943.html#msg563943 (http://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php/topic,46571.msg563943.html#msg563943)
There has never been a point only option for a multiseason permit...
last year you did not have to submit the application, it happened automatically, and there was only an individual permit option....
just a heads up to all!!! fair warning!!
Post by: funkster on March 17, 2010, 10:25:14 AM
Post by: winston2789 on March 17, 2010, 10:37:10 AM
Post by: jackelope on March 17, 2010, 10:41:50 AM
Just spoke with Cody at the WDFW and he said that if you bought your multi season tag you are already submitted. He also said if you then submitted online, it will not affect anything. He said they are going to cross reference the apps with the online submitting. From the sound of his voice, he has got a few calls asking the same question!
well that kinda makes sense sort of...however, how does he explain the individual/group leader/group member choices that I saw in there yesterday??
I'm not sure I would trust that response I guess.
Post by: bobcat on March 17, 2010, 10:43:24 AM
Maybe it's not an option this year, since that is just something new in the proposal, which hasn't even been approved yet.
after you buy the application you have to go in and submit your application this year. At this point you'll have to choose individual, group leader or group member. I just helped a co-worker through this last night on both the deer and elk m/s applications he bought.
I started a different thread with a warning about this here:
http://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php/topic,46571.msg563943.html#msg563943 (http://hunting-washington.com/smf/index.php/topic,46571.msg563943.html#msg563943)
There has never been a point only option for a multiseason permit...
last year you did not have to submit the application, it happened automatically, and there was only an individual permit option....
just a heads up to all!!! fair warning!!
You do not have to submit your application unless you are applying with a partner. It is done automatically. All you need to do is purchase the application. Again, only submit your application separately if you want to apply with a partner.
This is in the Frequently Asked Questions on their website.
Post by: STIKNSTRINGBOW on March 17, 2010, 10:58:25 AM
I am sure that there is no points only option... :bash:
Oh, well, I guess you take your chances anytime you deal with those guys in Olympia.... :mor:
Post by: Elkstuffer on March 17, 2010, 11:09:49 AM
I believe 4 points is the maximum right now.
I drew elk last year with 4 points so this years max would be 5.
Post by: funkster on March 17, 2010, 11:12:25 AM
Post by: winston2789 on March 17, 2010, 11:27:11 AM
Post by: Ridgerunner on March 17, 2010, 11:28:04 AM
Post by: billythekidrock on March 17, 2010, 11:33:33 AM
I agree Funkster, the tag fee should have to be fronted and reimbursed in a couple weeks. Having THREE drawing cause people are finding out you have to pay an additional 160 or whatever for the tag is a bit ridiculous. That just shows how many people backed out....
Upfront money that is reimbursed is very costly to the agency.
Why not let them "hold" the money? As long as they didn't raise the fees every year I would front a few hundred for moose and F&W could draw the interest.
Post by: STIKNSTRINGBOW on March 17, 2010, 11:33:43 AM
People not buying tags is NOT the reason for the re-draws,
Besides, I only wanted the point anyhow, and it was by following the direction of the person working for WDFW in licensing anyways that resulted in my error.
And if I do get drawn you can bet your ass that I will find the money somewhere......
Hunting in Washington should not be only for those that have a lot of money.
Post by: winston2789 on March 17, 2010, 11:40:45 AM
Except they draw more applicants than available tags anyhow, so how is it screwing it up?
People not buying tags is NOT the reason for the re-draws,
Whats the reason for the redraw then? :dunno: If all the tags were bought then I don't see there being a redraw? In the multi-season case I believe it is the reason, but for other redraws we have had, it was because there were problems in the draw
Post by: Bob33 on March 17, 2010, 11:48:50 AM
This year they will draw something like 1000 names out of the hat. The first 500 to purchase the permit get one. End of story.
Post by: KimberRich on March 17, 2010, 11:50:46 AM
No redraws this year they are going to draw more names then # of permits and the first 2000(deer) or 600(elk) to purchase the tag get them, so if you get drawn and really want it have that credit card number handy.
So if I get drawn do I wait for the notification in the mail or are the results going to be online as well?? I would hate to draw and waste the permit by waiting for mail notification and have all the permits sold by the time I got the letter.. I'm guessing the results will be online but you never know with this state!!
Post by: STIKNSTRINGBOW on March 17, 2010, 11:52:10 AM
It is actually not a "redraw" as it is a second draw for reaining tags.
If you are drawn and purchase your tag, it has no effect on you, but if you are not drawn the first time there is hope.....
I apologize, but I dont know everything, I just pretend to.... :chuckle:
But AGAIN it was not my intention to apply, I just wanted the point...
Post by: winston2789 on March 17, 2010, 12:24:11 PM
Post by: jackelope on March 17, 2010, 12:27:37 PM
No redraws this year they are going to draw more names then # of permits and the first 2000(deer) or 600(elk) to purchase the tag get them, so if you get drawn and really want it have that credit card number handy.
So if I get drawn do I wait for the notification in the mail or are the results going to be online as well?? I would hate to draw and waste the permit by waiting for mail notification and have all the permits sold by the time I got the letter.. I'm guessing the results will be online but you never know with this state!!
you should watch this site...we will know on here that the draw is done before the WDFW knows.
;)
re-draw is probably not the best choice of wording...
last year there were 3 drawings for the deer tags. I drew on the first one with 2 points.
Except they draw more applicants than available tags anyhow, so how is it screwing it up?it's $160.00 for 3 months of virtually solid hunting. not a lot of money IMO...you'll spend a lot more than that on gas most likely.
People not buying tags is NOT the reason for the re-draws,
Besides, I only wanted the point anyhow, and it was by following the direction of the person working for WDFW in licensing anyways that resulted in my error.
And if I do get drawn you can bet your ass that I will find the money somewhere......
Hunting in Washington should not be only for those that have a lot of money.
Post by: STIKNSTRINGBOW on March 17, 2010, 12:31:32 PM
Post by: KimberRich on March 17, 2010, 12:43:30 PM
I agree that $160 isn't bad for being able to hunt for 3 months..
Post by: Ridgerunner on March 17, 2010, 12:46:47 PM
Post by: KimberRich on March 17, 2010, 12:50:25 PM
Its $180 now.....
Yeah forgot they upped it.. Thanks. Either way I'm in.
Post by: Bob33 on March 17, 2010, 12:53:23 PM
It does suck that there is no ghost point option for those that know they cannot afford it or can not hunt that year.At least you do not lose points if you do not apply. The policy in Washington is (or at least has been) that points are permanent. Some states require you to apply every year or every few years in order to retain points.
Post by: STIKNSTRINGBOW on March 17, 2010, 12:57:18 PM
I could always paint a cardboard sign....What exit do you all live on? :lol4:
P.S. You know I am just joking, right?
Post by: Bob33 on March 17, 2010, 01:04:10 PM
I could always paint a cardboard sign....What exit do you all live on? :lol4:"Lost my job. Homeless. Need to buy my multi-season tag. Anything will help."
Post by: STIKNSTRINGBOW on March 17, 2010, 01:07:42 PM
Post by: funkster on March 17, 2010, 07:28:07 PM
Post by: carpsniperg2 on March 17, 2010, 07:36:03 PM
Post by: KimberRich on March 17, 2010, 08:53:54 PM
I was informed about how they where going to run the drawing this year. I feel it is a step in the right direction by drawing alternates but not the answer totally. So how many days does a hunter that gets drawn get to buy his/her tag? A week? If this happens 2-3 times this just delays the hunter that actually wants the tag and is planning his/her hunting year. Don't they run drawings in other state like this,money up front then reimburse? It just makes scents to me.
Not sure about all the the other states but Montana definitely does the money up front thing.. Montana Fish and Game Dept. collects something like 12 Million Dollars worth of applications up front, puts that money in an account which I'm thinking they collect interest on, and hold it there for a couple months until the drawing is complete. I'm sure it's an inconvenience to them to have to issue checks back to all the people not drawn but I would think they are money ahead in the long run?? :dunno: But... Even with that program they have to run an "alternate's" list for the people that do not want the tag or are unable to hunt. Thus having to do a 2nd draw anyways.. So maybe this method our state has will be effective??
Post by: funkster on March 17, 2010, 10:01:03 PM
I helped out a buddy last season with the multi season elk tag and it was a blast, called in a legal bull to 40 yards and he couldn't get it done(long story). This will be my 4th year putting in and not drawing,my buddy pulled the tag his first try. This will be my first year putting in for the deer multi season tag.
Post by: Buckshot Bill on March 25, 2010, 07:58:50 AM
Because I couldn't apply for points only option, I guess I will have to scrounge up the money, I wouldn't want to lose the points I already have, and let someone else have the permit, I mean that wouldn't be fair to those of you who don't get drawn, I mean who would want to get a second chance anyways....... :chuckle:
So am I to understand that there is no way to just apply for the points if you know you can't afford or have the time to properly utilize the tag? Just double checking so I don't waste it.
Post by: MtnMuley on March 25, 2010, 08:00:38 AM
Post by: Bob33 on March 25, 2010, 08:00:54 AM
Now, there is an interesting scenario that may play out this year. The state is planning to draw more names than permits. Those drawn will have a "first-come, first-served" opportunity to purchase the permits.
If you are drawn and do not or cannot purchase a permit, I assume that your points would be restored. I do not know that for a fact, but that might be a way to "buy a point".
Post by: STIKNSTRINGBOW on March 25, 2010, 08:02:46 AM
Post by: jackelope on March 25, 2010, 08:08:56 AM
Post by: Bob33 on March 25, 2010, 08:12:01 AM
Post by: STIKNSTRINGBOW on March 25, 2010, 09:26:40 AM
(a couple because I couldn't decide which ones I wanted to sell, so as soon as something goes, I am pulling the others...)
Post by: MtnMuley on March 25, 2010, 03:27:14 PM
Post by: bobcat on March 25, 2010, 03:30:01 PM
Post by: funkster on March 25, 2010, 08:01:21 PM
I wish there was no option to apply for just a point with the deer and elk permits for the same reason you stated.
Another reason to make it "pay up front" it would settle all.
Post by: bobcat on March 25, 2010, 08:18:32 PM
Post by: STIKNSTRINGBOW on March 25, 2010, 08:24:40 PM
If I am not drawn I will have the point I wanted anyways.
I am just as serious a hunter (if not more so) than any of you guys, I just lost my job due to no fault of my own and will not sit out the season just because it might cause me to go without a few things. I do not feel sorry for a bunch of cry-babies aren't lucky enough to be drawn.
Complaining about how unfair the system is because you don't feel treated fairly because you have a larger budget than I do, and feel that I should sit out "to give somebody else a better chance this year who is ready to put the tag to good use." is reprehensible, what gives you the idea that I couldn't use the opportunity ?
You obviously are the type of people who are going to be upset no matter what the WDFW does, why dont you just move to these other states that seem to handle their wildlife management better ?
That would give the rest of us who really enjoy hunting in Washington a better chance to draw these tags.
Post by: bobcat on March 25, 2010, 08:50:03 PM
Post by: STIKNSTRINGBOW on March 25, 2010, 09:04:07 PM
And then hear about how I should be able to afford to pay all the fees for all my licences and tags and applications before I was a "serious" hunter :bash:
I am a family man, with a mortgage and 3 kids, I am in the process of suing my previous employer for back wages still owed, have not received a W-2 to file my taxes despite several phone calls to the IRS, and application deadline + hunting season coming up, and somebody that isn't having the same problems is trying to say that I don't have the right to apply because money is a little tight for me... :bash:
Too bad they don't have tags for a-holes, because I am getting pretty frustrated....
Post by: funkster on March 25, 2010, 09:07:57 PM
What do you mean? You do have to pay up front for deer and elk. My reason for saying that is it would improve odds if the only way to gain points was to actually apply for a hunt.
No, you don't have to pay up front. You have to pay $6.50 which isn't a big waste to anybody. However, if the wdfw would make you pay the full $180 the actual price of the tag, your chances of drawing would be better and it would stop all the redraws and confusion.
Post by: bobcat on March 25, 2010, 09:12:30 PM
I know it is just the few guys saying it, but I get tired of getting flack due to applying for multi season Elk,
Get this, the first year they had the multi-season permit I applied for both deer and elk, not knowing if I even wanted either. But I only had a couple weeks to decide, and it was a new thing, so I wasn't sure, and figured what the heck, I won't draw it anyway and I may as well start building up points. Of course I end up drawing the elk permit, when the time came, decided I didn't want to spend the money, so I didn't purchase it. Then, much later, I ended up getting a letter in the mail saying I had also drawn the deer. This was already after the deadline for special permit applications had come and gone, and I definitely didn't want the multi deer permit either, so I declined on that one as well. Ended up with no points, and I haven't applied for it since. And yes, I remember arguing with several people on the internet at that time because they were mad that I would apply and then not buy it when I was drawn. :rolleyes:
Post by: bobcat on March 25, 2010, 09:15:02 PM
No, you don't have to pay up front. You have to pay $6.50 which isn't a big waste to anybody. However, if the wdfw would make you pay the full $180 the actual price of the tag, your chances of drawing would be better and it would stop all the redraws and confusion.
Sorry, I misunderstood. I was talking about regular deer and elk special hunt permits, not the multi-season, and thought you were talking about the same thing. I just think if there was not a "ghost hunt" option it would be more fair.
Post by: WDFW Hates ME!!! on March 26, 2010, 05:38:21 AM
If the state had a ghost option for the multi season not as many people would apply because they could get a point, so when they had the money they could apply when they thought they had a real chance of drawing it. Instead of mudding down the odds and then not having the money when drawn.
What i am tired of is people taking everyones opinions personally, i state my opinions and if you don't like them remember i was not attacking you personally just stating my opinion.
My dad told me long ago that If you can't control it "don't worry about it". About the only good advice he ever gave me.
Post by: MtnMuley on March 26, 2010, 07:57:45 AM
I am just as serious a hunter (if not more so) than any of you guys, I just lost my job due to no fault of my own and will not sit out the season just because it might cause me to go without a few things. I do not feel sorry for a bunch of cry-babies aren't lucky enough to be drawn.
Complaining about how unfair the system is because you don't feel treated fairly because you have a larger budget than I do, and feel that I should sit out "to give somebody else a better chance this year who is ready to put the tag to good use." is reprehensible, what gives you the idea that I couldn't use the opportunity ?
Looks to me as if you quoted a few of my statements. I was refering to "serious" as a person who is serious of putting up the $180 if drawn, not one who is concerned if they will have the money or time. As for the "to give somebody else a better chance this year who is ready to put the tag to good use" statement, if this isn't your year to do it, don't do it. I've had many of years like that and I sure didn't cry around about it.
Post by: STIKNSTRINGBOW on March 26, 2010, 08:05:54 AM
It is just that I would have rather recieved my point, donated my money to the pool, not affected anyone elses chance of getting drawn, etc.
And I seem to be getting flack....
Post by: KimberRich on March 26, 2010, 01:00:35 PM
Sorry if I offended you, but that is the whole point, I AM SERIOUS about putting up the money, if drawn. I did not want to. As far as time, the tag gives you the time, that is the whole purpose of the permit.
It is just that I would have rather recieved my point, donated my money to the pool, not affected anyone elses chance of getting drawn, etc.
And I seem to be getting flack....
You've got a good point and there should be an option for a ghost point. Your intentions are good! :)If people would read through the entire thread before posting something rude they might realize what the heck is going on.
Post by: MtnMuley on March 26, 2010, 02:05:23 PM
Post by: STIKNSTRINGBOW on March 26, 2010, 02:44:14 PM
I have been purchasing tags and applications since 1978 and they used to ask for all the money upfront, no points either.
I did it, but didn't like it and was glad when they changed it.
Every 3 years they make changes and lots of people complain (even me), but I actually have seen more branched bulls and 3 point and better deer in the area I hunted for 20 years than ever,And have been lucky enough to have been drawn 4 times for Elk and 3 times for deer, and now my first time for spring bear, and hopefully for my Multi Elk (I sold one of my guns)
The system is run the way it is because the other way didn't work.
Post by: MtnMuley on March 26, 2010, 02:50:26 PM
The system is run the way it is because the other way didn't work.
They look for new ways to make more money is the bottom line. :twocents:
Post by: KimberRich on March 26, 2010, 02:52:58 PM
Jeez Kimber, I've read the whole post twice and never said anything rude until I was quoted twice as if I was directing negativity toward somebody. My original statement was my thoughts on: if you should apply for a multi season tag. IMO they should have 1) Ghost points and 2) Money ($180) up front if you're applying for the tag, not just a ghost point. Again, my original statement is based on how the system is run at the moment. :)
Wasn't aiming that at anyone. Sorry if it seemed that way.. :hello: Just seemed stiknstringbow was getting frustrated and I've been there many times with people chiming in on page 6 of a thread busting my balls when they have no idea what's going on. :bash: I agree with you on the fact that they should have a ghost points option but not sure if money up front would cure the issue. Not sure if I already said this earlier in this thread or not but.. Montana asks for $$ up front and still has to do supplemental drawings for returned tags.
Post by: MtnMuley on March 26, 2010, 02:57:34 PM
Post by: bobcat on March 26, 2010, 02:57:47 PM
Post by: MtnMuley on March 26, 2010, 03:03:09 PM
Post by: STIKNSTRINGBOW on March 26, 2010, 03:11:16 PM
Other states have less residents, more public land, more animals, etc..
Although the WDFW is not perfect, they are dealing with a lot more issues than "other" states that handle things different.
Post by: STIKNSTRINGBOW on March 26, 2010, 03:14:56 PM
Post by: MtnMuley on March 26, 2010, 03:20:45 PM
Not only that, but if drawn for a multi-tag, how can you have problems finding a time/season to use it? it is good from Sept 8th until Dec 15th (?) both sides of the state.
I specifically target big mule deer. With the seasons where I hunt (many gmu's) for the general and muzzy being only a half month total (right after one another), I find it hard to not justify going archery if I plan on hunting out of state, as I would be gone most of the general/muzzy seasons-- hence a ghost point benefiting me for that year.
Post by: bobcat on March 26, 2010, 03:21:15 PM
As far as the WDFW not being perfect, I cannot think of a truer statement! Up until recently I was always one of their biggest supporters. But now, seeing how they lied about the new proposed permit system "having broad public suport" when they never even gave us a chance to provide feedback, I have to say I really don't trust them anymore. And I tend to go along with others who have been saying all along that all the WDFW cares about is the money.
Post by: MtnMuley on March 26, 2010, 03:25:20 PM
As far as the WDFW not being perfect, I cannot think of a truer statement! Up until recently I was always one of their biggest supporters. But now, seeing how they lied about the new proposed permit system "having broad public suport" when they never even gave us a chance to provide feedback, I have to say I really don't trust them anymore. And I tend to go along with others who have been saying all along that all the WDFW cares about is the money.
;)
Post by: funkster on March 26, 2010, 03:58:41 PM
Post by: bobcat on March 26, 2010, 04:02:13 PM
Post by: MtnMuley on March 26, 2010, 04:06:24 PM
We all complain about how the wdfw wants are money,how are they supposed to manage fish and wildlife and everything that goes along with that without money? I don't agree with everything the wdfw does but I feel the reason they do it is directly linked to them being under funded. If people loved hunting as much as they say they do,paying for SPECIAL PERMITS should not be an issue. We all complain about paying taxes but we sure love driving on the roads taxes create.
Mismanaged, not underfunded. Don't get me (an eastside tax payer) and tax generated roads going. >:(
Post by: funkster on March 26, 2010, 04:20:22 PM
Post by: bobcat on March 26, 2010, 04:26:40 PM
The changes according to them were meant to do a couple of things.... increase odds of drawing a permit, and increase revenue to the WDFW. Well the second goal they're going to see come true, the first, we'll see the opposite. Worse odds of drawing a permit.
Why didn't they simply increase the cost of an application, from say $5 to $15? It would have brought in extra revenue, and the system could have stayed the same. (it worked just fine the way it was)
Post by: funkster on March 26, 2010, 04:39:09 PM
Why didn't they simply increase the cost of an application, from say $5 to $15? It would have brought in extra revenue, and the system could have stayed the same. (it worked just fine the way it was)
How much backlash would the department have gotten if they raised the application fee $10??? I suggested that one time and they told me "hunting has to be fair for all not just those with money". I agree with most of the stuff your saying so don't get me wrong.
Post by: KimberRich on March 29, 2010, 10:32:18 AM
Post by: duckmen1 on March 29, 2010, 01:17:18 PM
Post by: bobcat on March 29, 2010, 01:17:57 PM
Post by: funkster on March 29, 2010, 06:19:36 PM
I thought it was $180 this year. :dunno:
That is what I read too!
Post by: KimberRich on March 30, 2010, 09:03:06 AM
Post by: Bob33 on March 30, 2010, 09:22:32 AM
How much backlash would the department have gotten if they raised the application fee $10???I think far less than they will with these changes. After all, many if not most applicants will be paying more than $10 starting this year. If you want to apply for a bull and a cow permit, two application fees. Quality bull, regular bull, and cow: three application fees.
If the department had (a) explained the need to increase revenues, (b) asked hunters for input, (c) explained the rationale for making the decisions they did, I believe that most hunters would accept the changes. Every hunter I know, and that's probably 20 or more, would prefer to see an application fee increase rather than the eight pool approach.
Post by: grundy53 on March 30, 2010, 03:51:53 PM
Post by: jackelope on March 30, 2010, 03:56:29 PM
Post by: brianmtsinc on March 30, 2010, 03:57:21 PM
Why didn't they simply increase the cost of an application, from say $5 to $15? It would have brought in extra revenue, and the system could have stayed the same. (it worked just fine the way it was)
EXACTLY MY OPINION AS WELL! Well said Bobcat!
Post by: grundy53 on March 30, 2010, 04:04:47 PM