Post by: jackelope on March 09, 2010, 04:29:38 PM
thanks and good luck to all in the draws this year.
Post by: Alan K on March 09, 2010, 04:33:42 PM
Post by: bobcat on March 09, 2010, 04:36:48 PM
i just looked it up...10 youth permits, 1083 applications, odds of 1 in 108. So it takes over 100 years of applying to draw a youth moose tag.
Post by: shanevg on March 09, 2010, 06:03:10 PM
Post by: MuleDeerCrazy on March 09, 2010, 08:09:51 PM
Post by: mkcj on March 10, 2010, 12:13:47 AM
Post by: Ridgerunner on March 10, 2010, 06:34:58 AM
Post by: Woodchuck on March 10, 2010, 06:43:34 AM
Post by: bobcat on March 10, 2010, 07:00:19 AM
Post by: Bob33 on March 10, 2010, 07:29:03 AM
If there are 1000 applicants and 10 permits, only 10 of the 1000 applicants will draw. If each of the applicants has the same number of points, the odds are 10/1000 or 1 in 100. If one of the applicant has 1001 names in the hat, and the other 999 have 1 name in the hat each, there are 2000 names in the hat. The person with 1001 names has a 50/50 chance of drawing. The others have a 1 in 2000 odds. The person with 50/50 odds has a much greater chance, but it is not guaranteed. The person with 1 in 2000 odds can also draw. In fact, at least nine of them would.
It is the same as buying ten raffle tickets. The person with ten has a better chance than the person with one, but neither is guaranteed to win, and the person with one might win while the person with ten does not.
Points increase someone's odds. That's it.
Post by: provider on March 10, 2010, 09:26:38 AM
Quote
Well, nothing is changing with the moose permits.
I think there are new moose categories being proposed also.
Post by: bobcat on March 10, 2010, 09:45:33 AM
Post by: Craig on March 10, 2010, 09:53:32 AM
Post by: bobcat on March 10, 2010, 09:55:12 AM
Post by: Bob33 on March 10, 2010, 10:04:12 AM
Do your youth points roll over to normal points once your not a youth anymore?That is an interesting question. For moose, there is only one pool of permits. Youth can apply for some of the hunts, seniors for others, Master Hunters for some, but there is only one pool. Thus there is only one category of moose points.
What about deer and elk? What happens when a youth reaches age 16? Do his youth points carry over into all the deer and elk categories?
What about someone who becomes a senior? What if he has 10 points in the quality bull pool but only 5 in the antlerless? Does he start at 0 in the senior pool, or carry some over? Which ones?
Post by: bobcat on March 10, 2010, 10:19:42 AM
Post by: Pathfinder101 on March 10, 2010, 10:34:32 AM
Pathfinder JR has one point this year. We'll see what happens.
Post by: Curly on March 10, 2010, 10:53:23 AM
Flame away....
Post by: benhuntin on March 10, 2010, 07:18:36 PM
Post by: bobcat on March 10, 2010, 07:39:42 PM
Post by: benhuntin on March 10, 2010, 07:46:45 PM
Post by: Bofire on March 10, 2010, 07:58:59 PM
I crack me up :P
Carl
Post by: Bob33 on March 10, 2010, 08:02:12 PM
So someone with 12 points now will have 12 points in all categories, including youth and senior.I like that idea; it's the fountain of youth. I can be a 12 year old Master Hunter, and also get a discount at Denny's for being a Senior! I just knew there had to be something about this plan I'd like... :IBCOOL:
Post by: bobcat on March 10, 2010, 08:04:39 PM
I have no problem with them only being able to draw the same as anyone else, but Curly said he does not believe they should be able to draw any tags at all. My son is 11 years old and only puts in for the bull tags any way.
I think he means he doesn't think there should be any specifically allocated as youth permits. There's no way the WDFW would not allow people under a certain age to apply for the regular moose permits. Anybody who's got a WILD ID number can apply. I would rather see them designated for seniors. They're the ones with less time left in their lives to draw a moose permit. But, there's only a few so it's not a real big deal. I'm sure the WDFW does it that way to sell more applications.
Post by: benhuntin on March 10, 2010, 08:09:56 PM
Post by: mkcj on March 10, 2010, 08:35:49 PM
Do your youth points roll over to normal points once your not a youth anymore?yes they do! Also the youth tags are cow only If you want to put in for all antlerless permit hunts I bet you would get drawn 2 or 3 times but most guys want a bull tag or nothing.
Post by: Curly on March 11, 2010, 06:50:07 AM
I have no problem with them only being able to draw the same as anyone else, but Curly said he does not believe they should be able to draw any tags at all. My son is 11 years old and only puts in for the bull tags any way.
Sorry you took it that way, that is not what I meant. Bobcat is right about what I was saying.......they should just be put in the same pool as everyone else.
I feel bad just for even thinking that youth should not have a separate category for moose, since they are the future of hunting........but I just think that there are so few moose permits available that it doesn't make a lot of sense to have a separate category for moose.
Post by: bobcat on March 11, 2010, 07:31:16 AM
If you want to put in for all antlerless permit hunts I bet you would get drawn 2 or 3 times but most guys want a bull tag or nothing.
There aren't that many antlerless moose permits and they aren't that easy to draw. I've put in for them and I have 14 points and haven't drawn one yet. (you do lose your points if you draw an antlerless moose permit, so the chance of drawing more than once isn't good)
Post by: jackelope on March 11, 2010, 08:53:52 AM
I feel a moose tag coming your way in your near future.
:tup:
Post by: bobcat on March 11, 2010, 09:27:22 AM
Bob-
I feel a moose tag coming your way in your near future.
:tup:
Me too! I think this will be the year. :IBCOOL:
Post by: Pathfinder101 on March 11, 2010, 10:21:49 AM
Post by: Curly on March 11, 2010, 11:30:30 AM
I disagree with the statements about eliminating Youth Moose Tags. The tags offered to youth applicants are "meat tags". A meat tag that would be a big deal for a kid, not nearly as big a deal for an adult. If you get drawn for a meat tag, it doesn't count against you as an OIL anyway, and truthfully, most of us are putting in for bull tags anyway, so I don't think this takes any opportunity away from most of the rest of us. I think it's a nice thing to offer the kids, and really only takes a few tags out of the meat pool.
A lot a guys apply for cow moose. I'm one of them. I almost always put cow moose down as my 4th choice, except the last couple years I put it down as 2nd, 3rd, and 4th. The only way it really counts against you to get drawn is that you lose your bonus points. Anyway, I don't feel real strong against having a special youth category..............
Post by: Atroxus on March 12, 2010, 09:28:14 AM
Post by: Mike450r on March 12, 2010, 09:35:02 AM
I am curious, if I put my son in for youth moose permit and he bags one, does that count as his once in a lifetime moose, or would he then be able to apply for/obtain an adult moose permit as well?
Not if the permit drawn is for an antlerless only hunt. The same applies to all moose permits youth or adult.
Post by: Pathfinder101 on March 12, 2010, 11:53:16 AM
I am curious, if I put my son in for youth moose permit and he bags one, does that count as his once in a lifetime moose, or would he then be able to apply for/obtain an adult moose permit as well?
No, he won't use up his OIL tag. There are only 2 "youth" category moose hunts. They are both antlerless tags, and antlerless tags don't count as OIL. If he draws a bull tag, then he uses up his OIL status.
Post by: Atroxus on March 12, 2010, 01:15:50 PM
Post by: WDFW Hates ME!!! on March 13, 2010, 05:44:00 PM
Post by: bobcat on March 13, 2010, 05:46:30 PM
Post by: benhuntin on March 13, 2010, 06:06:11 PM
Post by: WDFW Hates ME!!! on March 13, 2010, 10:23:04 PM
Post by: Jerome on April 22, 2011, 03:26:14 PM
Post by: Bob33 on April 22, 2011, 04:08:12 PM
Right. There is only one category of moose permits.Are you sure that's true?
"You may purchase and submit up to five moose permit applications; one permit application per hunt category, for which you qualify, as listed in the following tables."
I just checked and i can buy multiple moose applications.
Post by: jackelope on April 22, 2011, 04:16:04 PM
Right. There is only one category of moose permits.Are you sure that's true?
"You may purchase and submit up to five moose permit applications; one permit application per hunt category, for which you qualify, as listed in the following tables."
I just checked and i can buy multiple moose applications.
Look at the date of his post.
Post by: Bob33 on April 22, 2011, 04:42:54 PM
Look at the date of his post.
OOPS. :bash:
I just couldn't believe that WDFW wouldn't have multiple moose categories. More categories = more revenue!
Post by: YoterHunter on April 23, 2011, 12:40:05 PM
Post by: carpsniperg2 on April 23, 2011, 01:47:09 PM
ive put my boy in for it ever sense he started hunting .he will be 19 in a couple mounths and still waitng to get drawn. so good luck.
If you are still putting him in under the youth he will never draw :chuckle: He aint a youth anymore at 19 and once they are past 15 "i think is the number" those points can never get used. So you would be just wasting your money.
Post by: golfguy0912 on April 24, 2011, 09:58:32 AM
Post by: dscubame on April 24, 2011, 11:27:20 AM
Post by: benhuntin on April 24, 2011, 11:53:57 AM
Post by: dscubame on April 24, 2011, 11:56:56 AM
Post by: benhuntin on April 24, 2011, 12:00:30 PM
Post by: carpsniperg2 on April 24, 2011, 12:20:52 PM
Thanks. I am going to put her in for the non youth draw also then if that is allowed.
Yes it is, you could put her in for 3 total. the any bull,youth antlerless, antlerless.
Post by: carpsniperg2 on April 24, 2011, 12:25:07 PM
Say you turn 16 with 7 moose points after putting in for youth moose since 9 years old. Will those points apply for the non-youth moose permit draw? So at say 20 years old you would have 12 points?
No they don't roll over. With the new system you only get points when you buy a app in each area. But when they made the switch they applied what ever points you had at the time to each area that you where eligible for. So say you had 5 points before the switch, they would have gave you 5 points in all the areas any bull/cow etc. But after doing that you have to buy a app for each area to continue to grow points. Once a youth hunter turns 16 they are no longer a youth and can't apply for youth only hunts.For elk/moose/deer etc.
Post by: dscubame on April 24, 2011, 12:32:33 PM
Post by: WDFW Hates ME!!! on April 24, 2011, 12:38:18 PM
Best friends nephew drew youth moose last year with 5. So there is always hope.
Post by: dscubame on April 24, 2011, 12:40:37 PM
Post by: YoterHunter on April 24, 2011, 09:04:05 PM
Post by: carpsniperg2 on April 24, 2011, 09:12:54 PM
to thows of you that didnt under stand my commet .one he never got drawn as a youth .and yes i know after 16 hes not a youth anymore.my point is hes still waiting to draw.
After 15 hes not a youth anymore :tup: There is tons of people that have 10+ points. The more sought after tags have 10-15,000 apps. It's not a easy draw and not a suprise he hasn't drawn, just the way the system is with the tons of apps and few tags.
Post by: DeerThug on April 24, 2011, 09:33:18 PM
Gotta love the wdfw....
Mt Spokane here I come.
Post by: engelwood on April 24, 2011, 10:12:41 PM
Post by: turkey slayer on April 24, 2011, 10:28:28 PM
Post by: PolarBear on April 24, 2011, 10:34:42 PM
Post by: huntnnw on April 25, 2011, 12:25:32 AM
Post by: Bob33 on April 25, 2011, 10:04:01 AM
My 11 year old just passed her hunters ed and was really dissapointed when I told her that she might be my age before she might draw a bull moose tag in this state, if she's real lucky.
Post by: DeerThug on April 25, 2011, 05:28:39 PM
Just submitted my cow tag - since I am going to get drawn too maybe we can hook and wack two of them.
Post by: Pathfinder101 on April 26, 2011, 10:56:43 AM
My 11 year old just passed her hunters ed and was really dissapointed when I told her that she might be my age before she draws a bull moose tag in this state.
Polarbear... I didn't realize you were 100 years old.... :chuckle:
Post by: HUNT on April 26, 2011, 11:22:39 AM
Post by: GoldTip on April 26, 2011, 11:51:09 AM
Post by: PolarBear on April 26, 2011, 12:06:12 PM
Some days I feel like it. :chuckle:My 11 year old just passed her hunters ed and was really dissapointed when I told her that she might be my age before she draws a bull moose tag in this state.
Polarbear... I didn't realize you were 100 years old.... :chuckle:
Post by: jackmaster on April 26, 2011, 12:16:48 PM
Post by: Curly on April 26, 2011, 01:35:29 PM
i know my son and the girl he took hunter ed with when they were 10 have been putting in and havent drawn and this will be there last year as well, there isnt a whole lot they can do about moose for the youth but they could fix the elk permits where it makes the youth have a greater chance i sure think they could take half of all those toutle permits and give them to the youth it would help them alot, sorry fellas didnt mean to jump off thread
I agree. Cow elk permits would be great for youth. All those cow permits they have added lately should go to youth.
Post by: PA BEN on May 01, 2011, 03:48:12 PM
There are point only #'s. You won't draw but you will get a point. ;)Say you turn 16 with 7 moose points after putting in for youth moose since 9 years old. Will those points apply for the non-youth moose permit draw? So at say 20 years old you would have 12 points?
No they don't roll over. With the new system you only get points when you buy a app in each area. But when they made the switch they applied what ever points you had at the time to each area that you where eligible for. So say you had 5 points before the switch, they would have gave you 5 points in all the areas any bull/cow etc. But after doing that you have to buy a app for each area to continue to grow points. Once a youth hunter turns 16 they are no longer a youth and can't apply for youth only hunts.For elk/moose/deer etc.
Post by: PA BEN on May 01, 2011, 03:53:30 PM
Post by: carpsniperg2 on May 01, 2011, 04:44:24 PM
There are point only #'s. You won't draw but you will get a point. ;)Say you turn 16 with 7 moose points after putting in for youth moose since 9 years old. Will those points apply for the non-youth moose permit draw? So at say 20 years old you would have 12 points?
No they don't roll over. With the new system you only get points when you buy a app in each area. But when they made the switch they applied what ever points you had at the time to each area that you where eligible for. So say you had 5 points before the switch, they would have gave you 5 points in all the areas any bull/cow etc. But after doing that you have to buy a app for each area to continue to grow points. Once a youth hunter turns 16 they are no longer a youth and can't apply for youth only hunts.For elk/moose/deer etc.
That doent have anything to do with what I was talking about. :dunno: My point was once a youth turns 16 they can no longer put in and draw a youth tag and the points will never get used.
Post by: Ridgeratt on May 01, 2011, 05:26:08 PM
The ONLY way the odds are ever going to get better for drawing Moose (or any other OIL tag) in this state is to increase the cost of the application. There just isn't any two other ways about it. Good luck to all those applying for Moose this year.
I believe I read that the OIL fees are increasing from 100.00 to 300.00 this Sept.
Post by: Pathfinder101 on May 07, 2011, 01:42:19 PM
The Reg's this year say any average of 3 and 4 points to draw.
Problem is that if it's the youth category, 6 is about the max number of points in the pool. Very few kids start hunting before age 10 (PathfinderJR hunted at age 9, but the draws were already over that year when he got his WildID#, so he didn't start putting in till age 10), and 16 is the age limit for the youth hunts. 3 or 4 in the youth category is about equal to 10 in the adult category... and there aren't a lot of tags available to spread things out... so you get 700 kids putting in for the same couple of tags.
...in short: that "average" doesn't really mean anything.. :twocents: